Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-03-04 Thread Tom Veil
Tyler Durden wrote on February 21, 2003 at 09:47:01 -0500: What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? The rancor part. Let's take your line of reasoning another step. Imagine you get robbed at gunpoint by some masked caucasian. He steals your Ventura watch as well as all your

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-03-04 Thread Tom Veil
Tyler Durden wrote on February 21, 2003 at 09:47:01 -0500: What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? The rancor part. Let's take your line of reasoning another step. Imagine you get robbed at gunpoint by some masked caucasian. He steals your Ventura watch as well as all your

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-24 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 23 Feb 2003 at 15:55, Tyler Durden wrote: With respect to the Cambodia issue, Chomsky is pointing out how US agit-prop and media take advantage of our lack of certainty with respect to the real numbers. Originally Chomsky lied about Cambodia, to deny the crimes of the Khmer

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-24 Thread Declan McCullagh
On Sat, Feb 22, 2003 at 01:56:48PM -0800, James A. Donald wrote: Secondly in high welfare state countries, by definition, wealth is politally distributed, leading to correspondingly high levels of organized group violence, as frequently illustrated in France. Yes. And because wealth is

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-23 Thread Tyler Durden
Tom Veil wrote... Did you read my full paragraph? Quoting zmag was not the only criteria I mentioned. Sorry, sir. Next time I'll try harder to decypher your dogmatic rantings. Noam Chomsky is no true anarchist. Chomsky is a commie pinko totalitarian. Well, since you put it that way, it's GOT to

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-23 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 23 Feb 2003 at 15:55, Tyler Durden wrote: With respect to the Cambodia issue, Chomsky is pointing out how US agit-prop and media take advantage of our lack of certainty with respect to the real numbers. Originally Chomsky lied about Cambodia, to deny the crimes of the Khmer

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-23 Thread Tyler Durden
Tom Veil wrote... Did you read my full paragraph? Quoting zmag was not the only criteria I mentioned. Sorry, sir. Next time I'll try harder to decypher your dogmatic rantings. Noam Chomsky is no true anarchist. Chomsky is a commie pinko totalitarian. Well, since you put it that way, it's GOT to

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-22 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 21 Feb 2003 at 11:13, Tyler Durden wrote: However, one way to see the situation is more of a buy-off. Arguably, the government plunders in order to pay off welfare society, because if they didn't the masses would rise up and kill off the system But among reasonably capitalist

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-22 Thread James A. Donald
-- On 21 Feb 2003 at 11:13, Tyler Durden wrote: However, one way to see the situation is more of a buy-off. Arguably, the government plunders in order to pay off welfare society, because if they didn't the masses would rise up and kill off the system But among reasonably capitalist

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Tom Veil
Tyler Durden wrote on February 20, 2003 at 12:24:40 -0500: As for quoting zmag (which I do), it's silly that this indicates a necessarily leftie/pinko/commie slant. Did you read my full paragraph? Quoting zmag was not the only criteria I mentioned. Chomsky, a frequent contributor, has

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Bill Frantz
At 11:04 AM -0800 2/21/03, John Kelsey wrote: Social programs in general work this way. It was a goodie being handed out once, but now, it looks to the people involved like a necessity, and they'll fight hard to keep it. This is just as true of social security and farm subsidies as of welfare.

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Bill Frantz
At 11:04 AM -0800 2/21/03, John Kelsey wrote: Social programs in general work this way. It was a goodie being handed out once, but now, it looks to the people involved like a necessity, and they'll fight hard to keep it. This is just as true of social security and farm subsidies as of welfare.

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Tom Veil
Tyler Durden wrote on February 20, 2003 at 12:24:40 -0500: As for quoting zmag (which I do), it's silly that this indicates a necessarily leftie/pinko/commie slant. Did you read my full paragraph? Quoting zmag was not the only criteria I mentioned. Chomsky, a frequent contributor, has

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Tyler Durden
The reality is even more weird, I think. Suppose there's some struggling-to-make-it new family down the street, and I start helping out by bringing them dinner every night. If I do it for a few days, e.g., while the mom is in the hospital or something, it's a genuine act of kindness. If I

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread John Kelsey
At 11:13 AM 2/21/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote: ... However, one way to see the situation is more of a buy-off. Arguably, the government plunders in order to pay off welfare society, because if they didn't the masses would rise up and kill off the system that does not really do much to equip

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Pete Capelli
- Original Message - From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? The rancor part. Let's take your line of reasoning another step

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Tyler Durden
Peter Capelli wrote... Thats a pretty poor analogy. Perhaps a better one is where the robber was first *asked* to steal my watch, (as I could obviously afford another one) and then gave it to someone else. And in fact, if this recipient kept the watch, knowing full well that it had been taken

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-21 Thread Phil Gardner
Maybe they were working together. - Original Message - From: Tyler Durden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 9:47 AM Subject: Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil What part of my above paragraph did you not understand? The rancor part. Let's take your

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-20 Thread Tyler Durden
zmag.org and commiedreams.org gets you blacklisted, as it indicates that one is of the so-called progressive, leftist commie totalitarian persuasion. Blacklisted! Sniff sniff...I'm hurt! Does this mean I'm kicked out from the yearbook committee too? And do I have to tear up my Cypherpunks

Re: The burn-off of Tom Veil

2003-02-20 Thread Tyler Durden
zmag.org and commiedreams.org gets you blacklisted, as it indicates that one is of the so-called progressive, leftist commie totalitarian persuasion. Blacklisted! Sniff sniff...I'm hurt! Does this mean I'm kicked out from the yearbook committee too? And do I have to tear up my Cypherpunks