Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread John Kelsey
At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which kills a few hundred people, but probably

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-11-02 Thread Steve Furlong
On Saturday 02 November 2002 12:09, Adam Shostack wrote: An interesting tidbit in the September Information Security Bulletin is the claim from MessageLabs that only .005% of the mail they saw in 2002 is encrypted, up from .003% in 2000. ... Last month, about 5% of my email was sent PGP

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread Bill Frantz
At 12:35 PM -0800 11/1/02, John Kelsey wrote: At 09:32 PM 10/31/02 -0800, Tim May wrote: ... If the attackers/hijackers cannot get into the cockpit and gain control of the plane, then the most they can do with disabling/lethal/nerve gases is to cause the plane to essentially crash randomly...which

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, John Kelsey wrote: Hmmm. I agree, but if the attackers chose the right time (while the plane's on autopilot) to release the gas or whatever, they might have an hour or two to get through the cockpit door, with no resistance at all from the now-dead passengers or crew.

Re: Katy, bar the door

2002-11-02 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 10:49 AM 11/2/02 -0800, Bill Frantz wrote: (A number of years ago, there was a case where a pilot, presumably asleep, flew right past Los Angles, over the Pacific ocean, and crashed. ATC was very concerned, but couldn't do anything to wake the pilot.) Around a year ago a small private jet

Re: Fwd: Asbestos ban again cited as the real cause of WTC collapse

2002-11-02 Thread Morlock Elloi
building I inspect, my own work not excepted. You have to battle to get contractors to do it right. And owners to pay for quality work and maintenance rather than wait for vicitms and insurance companies to pay the tithe of negligence. This is the same problem as with other expenses without

Re: Fwd: Asbestos ban again cited as the real cause of WTC collapse

2002-11-02 Thread jya
Lack of asbestos fireproofing (FP) on structural steel could have played a role in the WTC collapse but the source of that argument, proponents of Junk Science and Herbert Levine, are on shaky ground. I've responded to their WTC asbestos-lack argument elsewhere, my main point being that asbestos