Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-27 Thread Jim Choate
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, cubic-dog wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Major Variola (ret) wrote: At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago. No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any experience with them)

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-26 Thread Steve Schear
At 08:42 PM 11/25/2002 -0600, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:00:57PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote: Even if it were possible (which I doubt) what's the point in even mentioning it since most people tortured

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-26 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: It's not some New Age weekend camp when you imprisoned and beaten by your captors. And, BTW, yoga is hardly New Age. It's quite ancient, precedes written history in fact. -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-26 Thread Peter Gutmann
Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read some books in my youth on SH and found I could put myself in a self- induced altered reality state from which I could not be easily awakened. I've had that too, listening to pre-election party political broadcasts. physical abuse might be thwarted

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Mynott
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 22:18 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote: I've also worked with self hypnosis quite a bit, and it's useful, but I'll say again, anyone fairly adept at yogic meditation would not have much problem with sensory or sleep deprevation torture techniques. Of course,

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread cubic-dog
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Steve Mynott wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke nearly anyone. Noone has mentioned sleep deprivation which is supposed to

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Schear
At 07:00 PM 11/25/2002 +, you wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Adam Shostack wrote: The Russians reputedly used sensory deprivation as a means of convincing western spies to talk. 24 to 48 hours in a tank broke nearly anyone. The effects are supposed to be a lot worse than you would imagine

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Major Variola (ret)
At 07:40 PM 11/24/02 -0600, Jim Choate wrote: Bullshit. I (and several others) built a tank nearly ten years ago. No big deal. Note that psychoactives (at least if you have any experience with them) don't modify the experience a great deal either. Certainly not to upset anyone this much, this

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Steve Mynott
On Monday, Nov 25, 2002, at 21:14 Europe/London, Harmon Seaver wrote: On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:58:55PM -0800, Steve Schear wrote: I should think that a bit of practical training in self hypnosis could thwart sensory deprivation. I read some books in my youth on SH and found I could put

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Harmon Seaver
You probably should have tried it on about 5 (dried) grams of psilocybic mushrooms or a good dose of ayahuasca instead of the acid. They're both much more suited to dark and quiet while acid seems to really like light and music. Really very different things -- McKenna wrote quite a bit about

Re: sleep deprivation was Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-25 Thread Harmon Seaver
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 10:00:59PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: Practioners of yoga should have a ball. Just another yogic meditation exercize. Neither of you appear to understand what psychological torture is. Read some of the reports on the web about what happens. These

RE: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Lucky Green
Adam wrote: The Russians, Americans and I believe others have moved from physical to psychological methods which have proven to work better than actual physical pain. I recall reading a story on Abdul Murad, the Al Qaeda member arrested in 1995 in the Philipines, where the way they

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Adam Shostack
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 04:30:42PM -0800, Tim May wrote: | On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 12:49 PM, dmolnar wrote: | | On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: | | to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than | this, | they will have unknowingly destroyed the real

Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Tim May
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 12:49 PM, dmolnar wrote: On Wed, 20 Nov 2002, Tyler Durden wrote: to have a big jpg of a hand with middle finger extended...) More than this, they will have unknowingly destroyed the real data. (Perhaps a 3rd key is needed that DOESN'T destroy the

RE: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Greg Broiles
At 06:34 PM 11/20/2002 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: I recently obtained an illuminating recording of a speech by a judge sitting on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which was given before the San Francisco Commonwealth Club. In said recording, the honorable judge proposes the issuance of formal

Re: Torture done correctly is a terminal process

2002-11-21 Thread Tim May
On Thursday, November 21, 2002, at 09:33 AM, Greg Broiles wrote: At 06:34 PM 11/20/2002 -0800, Lucky Green wrote: I recently obtained an illuminating recording of a speech by a judge sitting on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals which was given before the San Francisco Commonwealth Club. In said