will say "Hey, it was not us, it was these terrorists
who happen to have somehow stolen some nukes from persons
unknown. We are completely opposed to terrorism, and are fully
cooperating with foreign investigations."
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re, which is continually rewritten to
meet the latest threats and tactics from the chinese
government.
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James A. Donald:
> > Iranian financed military movements, Hezbollah and Sadr,
> > have been fairly well behaved - they don't target other
> > people's children - just their own, but their willingness
> > to cause the deaths of their own children is even mor
o be willing
to use nuclear weapons.
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James A. Donald
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On 19 Sep 2004 at 12:15, Tyler Durden wrote:
> My running, personal theory is that Muslim fundamentalism (and in
> general, most fundamentalisms) get going when the locals gain a
> persistent sense that they're gettin' screwed over,
But the Saudi Arabian elite, of among which Bin Laden was born wi
James A. Donald:
> > I don't recall the American revolutionaries herding children
> > before them to clear minefields, nor surrounding themselves
> > with children as human shields.
John Young
> No, not minefields, but a good percentage of Washington's
> army and
diligent and competent in
making a noose and placing it on their own necks, is likely to
encounter truly amazing levels of incompetence. I lose
documents I actually *want* to retain often enough.
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45Viouthce4l/DdT+MgqjhbEeA7iBBCUDG84cD2Iq
. Similarly I support
shelling enemies who surround themselves with captive women and
children, as Sadr did in Najaf. That hostage crisis was ended
by negotiation, but because the administration were reluctant
to shell the mosque, the deal was settled on very unfavorable
terms.
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xpaying, patriotic,
> > > > evil-hating, English-as-first-language, natural-born
> > > > American.
On 15 Oct 2004 at 21:43, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
> As was Timmy McV, Zeus rest his soul.
Tim McVeigh did not target innocents, nor was he a suicide
bomber.
Nor, incid
--
James A. Donald:
> > Just don't let anyone who looks like the shoe bomber fly.
> > Problem solved.
On 15 Oct 2004 at 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Huh? The one flaw in this logic is that this only works if
> you can send this particular definition of suspicious &quo
--
James A. Donald:
> > Has anyone who does not look a terrorist done a suicide
> > mission outside Israel or Russia? Recall the shoe bomber.
> > You just had to look at him. You would think the airport
> > screeners would need to be half brain dead to let him on
--
Damian Gerow
> > > I've had more than one comment about my ID photos that
> > > amount to basically: "You look like you've just left a
> > > terrorist training camp."
James A. Donald:
> > Nonetheless you can probably start fiddling w
orm of
internet money, that there is real demand for this, but the low
security of personal computers makes it insecure from thieves,
and the hostility of national governments make it insecure from
governments.
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lves from these threats.
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--
Thomas Shaddack:
> > > a. The probability ratios don't work out so that the
> > > overwhelming majority of people you throw off planes are
> > > innocent.
James A. Donald:
> > Provided the number of people you throw off planes is
> > ra
--
James A. Donald:
> > A very large number of muslims, particularly arab muslims-
> > a small minority in the US, a large minority or substantial
> > majority in many muslim countries, continually seek to
> > confront the infidel in a wide variety of ways, and
> >
oldiers in Chechnya.
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bability ratios don't work out so that the
> overwhelming majority of people you throw off planes are
> innocent.
Provided the number of people you throw off planes is rather
small, I don't see the problem.
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James A. D
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, James A. Donald wrote:
> > People who are, for the most part, not like us are trying to kill
> > people like us. Let us chuck all those people not-like-us off those
> > planes where most of the passengers are people like us.
Thomas Shaddack
> Define &q
--
James A. Donald:
> > > > > > If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you
> > > > > > should have to drive.
> > Thomas Shaddack
> > > Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii?
James A. Donald:
> > Hard biscuit
Thomas
et.
> Third, does not being a suicide bomber make your cause more
> noble?
Not being a suicide bomber means there is no need to screen you
from flying on planes.
> Curious why you seem to think McVeigh was justified in his
> actions.
BATF.
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Jame
he Muslim (not only
> Arab) world for 100 years or so
And the reason they are murdering Iraqi Christians, Filipinos,
Ambionese and Timorese is?
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--
James A. Donald:
> > Mc Veigh did not target innocents, and if he did target a
> > plane full of innocents, perhaps in order to kill one
> > guilty man on board, there is no way in hell he himself
> > would be on that plane.
John Kelsey
> Well, he targeted a
--
James A. Donald:
> > > > If you really look like the shoe bomber, then you
> > > > should have to drive, or use public transport.
Thomas Shaddack
> Ever tried to drive to Europe? Or to Hawaii?
Hard biscuit
> Why airplanes don't count as a form of publi
n soldiers even
> though they're no longer Soviets.
These guys prefer to shoot at children.
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--
Thomas Shaddack:
> > > It isn't a problem for you until it happens to you. Who
> > > knows when being interested in anon e-cash will become a
> > > ground to blacklist *you*.
James A. Donald:
> > I know when it will happen. It will happen when
de and population movements with the
outside world.
Syria should suffer annihilation, Iran subversion, Sudan some
combination of annihilation and subversion, Saudi Arabia and
similar less objectionable regimes should suffer confiscation
of oil, destruction of water resources, and loss of
over a large swath of the Muslim
> > (not only Arab) world for 100 years or so
James A. Donald:
> And the reason they are murdering Iraqi Christians,
> Filipinos, Ambionese and Timorese is?
And I forgot to mention a hundred thousand or more Sudanese,
not to mention that Al Quaeda mu
ough they should have
been.
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James A. Donald
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41LiTXyUsja0zJksTRtCgVaYxSideYIzzbGD/3Qq5
hat makes the wire work is that they do not believe that
> what they do unto others will be done to them.
So you think our enemies should try to be even more savage and
cruel than they already are?
That would be difficult.
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James A. Donald
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f did not work in Haiti and things look
considerably more difficult, and more expensive, in Iraq.
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4PHJIbv0IpxzyH8CXPzWKj/497VCciWU9zZler22L
--
James A. Donald:
> > War is dangerous to freedom, but we do not have a choice of
> > peace. The question is where the war is to be fought - in
> > America, or elsewhere. War within America will surely
> > destroy freedom.
Tyler Durden wrote:
> So. Why don&#x
, and promised they could
get rich. Mean while the countries that we were not "kicked
out of" for example Taiwan and South Korea, became rich.
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James A. Donald
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--
James A. Donald:
> > Sadre protected himself with Iraqi women and young children
> > as human shields, showing that he expected the Pentagon to
> > show more concern for Iraqi lives than he did.
Thomas Shaddack
> Pentagon protects their people by distance - being it b
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > The US government should expose and condemn these
> > objectionable practices, subvert moderately objectionable
> > regimes, and annihilate more objectionable regimes. The
> > pentagon should deprive moderately objectionable regimes of
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > ... but Bin Laden's indictment not only mentions US troops
> > in Saudi Arabia, but also the reconquest of Spain, the
> > massacre committed by the crusaders in Jerusalem, and the
> > failure of Americans to obey Shariah law.
J.
--
James A. Donald:
> > The US government should expose and condemn these
> > objectionable practices, subvert moderately objectionable
> > regimes, and annihilate more objectionable regimes. The
> > pentagon should deprive moderately objectionable regimes of
&g
believe that people like
Slimane Hadj Abderrahmane (who after release announced his
intention to resume terrorist activities and that he would
attempt to murder his hosts who lobbied to get him release) are
lying to cover up torture by the US army.
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James A.
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > > > ... but Bin Laden's indictment not only mentions US
> > > > troops in Saudi Arabia, but also the reconquest of
> > > > Spain, the massacre committed by the crusaders in
> > > > Jerusalem, and the f
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > > > > > ... but Bin Laden's indictment not only mentions US
> > > > > > troops in Saudi Arabia, but also the reconquest of
> > > > > > Spain, the massacre committed by the crusaders in
ary evidence, but the detainees
must be innocent unless they can be proven guilty by
extraordinary evidence?
Doubtless there are some innocents in Gautenamo - but the usual
reason they are there is for being foreigners in Afghanistan in
the middle of a war with no adequate explanation.
--
, to the North
Vietnamese and the Soviet Union, yet the North Vietnamese
created the Khmer Rouge and attacked Cambodia.
Same thing happened with Laos, where the Americans never got
involved at all to any significant extent.
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useful but
> temporary veneer over local politics (again we were too blind
> to see that Marxism was a western transplant that wasn't
> going to do too well in Asia)
Marxism collapsed in IndoChina when the Soviet Union collapsed.
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James A. Dona
, against the smallest possible subset
of Islam, disagreeing only on how small that subset can be.
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James A. Donald
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--
Tyler Durden
> > > The US was in Vietnam trying to fight their way up. So it
> > > would have been pretty evident to anyone watching that
> > > the US was trying to undermine the PRC.
James A. Donald:
> > You live in a world of delusion. Your dates are al
ing to kill us , and that we deserve
their past efforts to kill us, efforts that some of them
promptly resumed on release. We are under attack, and you are
telling us to suck it up.
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he
> conservatives marginalise Khatami, and we're back to abayas,
> beards and jihad.
You have this back to front. Khatami was marginalized by the
mullahs, and BECAUSE he was marginalized, because democracy in
Iran was suppressed, the US government THEN included Iran in
the axi
--
James A. Donald:
> > But Khatami was knackered shortly after being elected, so
> > any aid would be aiding the terrorists. We saw how well
> > that worked in Fallujah and Sadr city.
> > >June 2001: Khatami re-elected
> > A few months or weeks the
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > We are under attack, and you are telling us to suck it up.
J.A. Terranson
> No. We are under attack by those DEFENDING THEMSELVES.
All of the terrorists came from countries that were
beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi Arabia
was cert
--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > How could the US have given him support, short of violent
> > means, such as bombing Tehran, which he was reluctant to
> > accept?
Will Morton
> Money. Push it through your favourite UN department.
> Schools and hospitals == go
that would be dangerous
to the freedom of the ordinary New Yorker, but if the
government snatches terrorists in Afghanistan or near Fallujah,
rules of war should apply.
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that backed
> the Chinese monetary system prior to 1949, so arguably that
> money had to go somewhere.
liar.
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ic cleansing.
I can easily imagine circumstances where ethnic cleansing is a
legitimate response to an intransigent enemy with strong roots
in the local population - but the fact that the Taliban used
such measures shows they did not have strong roots in the local
population.
--d
--
John Kelsey
> > > I'm still trying to understand the moral theory on which
> > > you differentiate hitting the two towers from the
> > > Oklaholma City bombing.
James A. Donald:
> > The pentagon did not have a branch office in the two
> > tower
an indigenous popular movement that
could have won free and fair elections had they been permitted?
Is it a given to you that Alger Hiss was framed?
Perhaps you need to check some of these givens.
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James A. Donald
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--
James A. Donald:
> > The Taliban were illegitimate, not on legal grounds, but
> > because they were evil.
J.A. Terranson
> Using this line of "reasoning", Shrub is ripe for that
> overdue case of high velocity lead poisoning.
Doubtless he is, but to suggest t
s in their subjects.
McViegh did not target innocents. Bin Laden did target
innocents.
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--
"James A. Donald"
> > All of the terrorists came from countries that were
> > beneficiaries of an immense amount of US help. Saudi
> > Arabia was certainly not under attack. If they were
> > Palestinians, and they hit the Pentagon but not the t
and defend it, instead of
confidently asserting all this wild baloney, and deffending
past baloney with an endless stream of new baloney, pronounced
with equal confidence?
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--
James A. Donald
> > For all that is wrong with the US government, remember the
> > condition of people under the great majority of the
> > world's governments: poverty and fear, where the political
> > privilege of a few shatters the economy and forces the v
--
James A. Donald:
> > Bin Laden's intent was to make anyone in America afraid -
> > thus the use of airliners, rather than truck bombs.
> > McViegh's intent was to make BATF afraid.
J.A. Terranson:
> This is idiotic. You're claiming that the definitio
ts that
compose the majority of the world's governments, we would be as
poor, unfree, and frightened as the subjects of those
governments.
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--
James A. Donald wrote:
> > You guys just keep making up facts.
> >
> > There were no branches of the armed services in the towers.
> > You are just spouting bullshit, like the story that Osama
> > Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, that Saddam was install
--
James A. Donald:
> > McViegh did not target innocents. Bin Laden did target
> > innocents.
Roy M. Silvernail
> I'm confused. Is Mr. Donald saying McVeigh did not surveil
> his target sufficiently to know that there was a day care
> center in the damage patter
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J.A. Terranson:
> > > So if I was to go out tomorrow and spread 2000 curies of
> > > Ci into the local subway system "As payback for Ruby
> > > Ridge", this would not be an act of terrorism?
James A. Donald:
> > That would be terrorism, because re
--
On 25 Oct 2004 at 21:03, Tyler Durden wrote:
> The point is this: Almost and "side" in this world that has
> committed or commits atrocities can find a true-believing
> apolegist.
Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend tyranny
and slavery.
--digs
--
James A. Donald:
> > Moral equivalence, the rationale of those who defend
> > tyranny and slavery.
Roy M. Silvernail
> Moral superiority, the rationale of both sides of any given
> violent conflict. The winner gets to use the victory to
> proclaim the
his enemies, he helps us slay
our enemies.
Unfortunately the US plan to bring democracy to the middle
east, and to preserve Iraq as a unitary state, keeps getting in
the way of this sort of deal.
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James A. Donald
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the car bombers will be down in
the asterixes.
> and remember the fact that it was the US that propped up
> Saddam as long as he stuck to the script.
Another tale from your odd parallel universe where the US
attacked Korea.
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James A. Don
--
James A. Donald:
> > The remaining communists have made some psychological
> > recovery - see for example Tyler Durden's peculiar version
> > of recent history, where in his universe the communists
> > actually won and are still winning,"
Tyler Durden
&
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lism, only with various oppressed masses substituted for
Aryan.
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one its current measures.
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s
bullet ridden sons or honest soul searching.
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ces muddy. The
enemies are the one's that have heroic fantasies of holding out
against hopeless odds, as for example Fallujah. The question is not
whether the terrorists keep Falljah, but merely whether Pentagon gets
a city or a pile of rubble.
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James A. Donal
--
Peter Gutmann wrote:
> Fighting an unwinnable war always seems to produce the same type of
> rhetoric,
It is a little premature to call this war unwinnable. The kill ratio
so far is comparable with Britain's zulu war.
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James A. Donald
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medy this problem, Bush should
confiscate the Middle Eastern oil reserves.
You are using stale old communist rhetoric - but today's terrorists no
longer not even pretend to fight on behalf of the poor and oppressed.
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James A. Donald
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status on Muslims they did not agree
with in Afghanistan. An anarchic America would not be able to occupy
Iraq, nor would it be capable of "building democracy" in Afghanistan,
but it would be able to do the equivalent of sending special forces to
assist the Northern Alliance.
still at it, even though the masters no longer even pretend to
be acting to defend the poor and oppressed.
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James A. Donald
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bles and having them ransomed back, rather than hacking them to
> pieces on the spot.
Wrong
French nobles were taken prisoner in the usual fashion, but executed
because the English King commanded them executed.
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James A. Donald
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James A. Donald
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dreds.
Presumably the armor improved (and became heavier and more expensive)
in response to the battle of Agincourt.
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James A. Donald
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with it. It did not matter who took you prisoner.
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James A. Donald
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re effectually.
You vote for Kerry because you think he is a liar?
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James A. Donald
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egotiation.
So in the west, we have ordinary people forbidden from doing banking
stuff, but a pile of loopholes in that law, and we do not have the
death penalty for unauthorized banking, whereas in China, they do have
the death penalty, and despite the death penalty, massive defiance of
the law.
om/chomsdis.htm, but the same
story could be written, and indeed has been written, of everything he
writes. If you complain that his lies in support of the Khmer Rouge
are old news, I will do a similar number on his more recent lies about
the Afghan famine.
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James A.
of issued by Pol Pot's regime.
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James A. Donald
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ar, but in the long run comparably
effective. China stagnated because no thought other than
official thought occurred.
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until the Soviet Union reacted,
and it took the Soviet Union near a year to react.
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s merely a bunch of teenagers
obeying orders, merely the simulation of a mass movement, with
mass compliance instead of mass initiative.
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ken wrote:
> > And when was this stagnation?
R.A. Hettinga wrote:
> Two words: Ming Navy
For those who need more words, the Qing Dynasty forbade
ownership or building of ocean going vessels, on pain of death
- the early equivalent of the iron curtain.
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ition was not against foreigners sailing, but chinese
sailing, so the intent was not fear of foreigners, but as with
the iron curtain, fear of chinese wandering outside government
control and being contaminated with unauthorized foreign
thoughts.
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hly centralized in that the
man digging a ditch dug it along a line drawn by a man far away
who had never seen the ground that was being dug.
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James A. Donald.
> > China stagnated because no thought other than official
> > thought occurred.
On 12 Nov 2004 at 15:40, ken wrote:
> And when was this stagnation?
Started soon after the Qing dynasty
> And what were the reasons China did not "stagnate"
centralized totalitarian terror state, which doubtless appears
quite enlightened to the likes of Tyler Durden.
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James A. Donald:
> > Pol Pot's Cambodia was, like Ch'in dynasty china,
> > decentralized in that they had twenty thousand separate
> > killing fields, but was, like Ch'in dynasty china, highly
> > centralized in that the man digging a ditch dug it a
but
the fact that everything has to be cleared with the top, the
fact that low level people are forbidden to think.
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James A. Donald:
> > Qin had a cult of personality, in which every single person
> > subject to his control had to participate. A subject of
> > Qin, like a subject of Mao, was more aware of Qin, than he
> > was of his mother and father.
Tyler Durden:
>
er fuckers.
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ay, or we'd have wound up setting off
> a civil war.
And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
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