]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Spending a billion dollars an hour produces a hell of a light
show!
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:22:02 -0500
Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "As the Iraqis themselves said, and I paraphrase (because the quote is
not
> handy): &qu
Just before the hype machine moves into full gear here,
is there any way to determine if this kid's name was really Asan Akbar? I
consider it possible (though not likely) that he's name is "Joe Anderson" or
something equally obviously non-Muslim.
Of course, they're already describing him as havi
James Donald wrote...
"perhaps
the most effectual thing the US could do to prevent future
random terror attacks is to round up one hundred million.
innocents and slaughter the lot. Everyone loved the commies
for doing that, so if the US wants to be loved, perhaps it
needs to do the same."
What t
Tim May wrote...
"the Jews will be destroyed and sent to Hell, and then JC will rise out of
Babylon or Yonkers or someplace and will reign as King for 1000 years, at
which point the Earth will be destroyed."
Not exactly. At the last minute (ie, before Armageddon wrecks just about
everything),
Pretty amusing. Beyond Doublethink, as not even the US government claims
this...
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/ucru/20030320/cm_ucru/the_moron_majority
-TD
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The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail
Has anyone ever heard of that carbon filament "soft bomb" that's designed to
spread wispy carbon filaments over power plants? I've even seen a photo of
the aftermath of one of these things...
From: "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "'Sarad AV'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sub
This is sure to piss off true-believing, knee-jerk subscribing feds on our
list (though I consider it possible that some such feds are as pissed off as
many of us right now)...
Landed in an airport this afternoon, and had to take a piss. Went into a
stall and there was some debris around the to
Actually, it's fun to play the Biblical prophecy game...remember it can be
played from either side! For instance...
Rev 13:3
"And I saw one of his heads as though it had been smitten unto death; and
his death-stroke was healed: and the whole earth wondered after the beast;"
The US and economy a
Wow Colonel Flagg...glad to know you might post on this subject at some
point in the future. I'll certainly be waiting...
-TD
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:29:42 -0800
>>Tim May wrote.
If any terrorists had nukes, why have they not used them so far?
--Lucky
Well, one idea worth considering is that these "terrorists" are not merely
mindless killing machines. Their goal (at least as bin Laden has stated it)
is to get the US out of the middle east, and stop us from pretty muc
Gotta give this thought a great big ditto. I've believed for a long time now
that the real reason the fedz have tried to scare the public from using
heavy crypto is for precisely this reason...a lot can be determined merely
by the presence and form of crypto used. I am in fact starting to wonder
I haven't seen anyone mention this here, and wonder if it's being reported
out there "West of the Hudson"...
Apparently, a large traffic-stopping protest here in NYC was performed using
a method I hadn't heard of before. Basically, the demonstrators handcuffed
themselves together, but inside la
Hey, as for Sharpton, I'll quote my brother:
"I'm gonna vote for Sharpton just to piss YOU off!"
-TD
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Veil)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Quote of the Day
Date: 30 Mar 2003 16:14:14 -
Steve Furlong wrote on March 28, 2003 at 17:56:41 -0500:
> On Friday
Uh...I don't think Tim May gets the picture here.
Think a few dozen PVC-groups consisting of 100 or more each, lying in the
middle of, say, 5th avenue, or at the mouth of the midtown tunnel. Oh, and
say it happens at 8:00AM on a Weekday.
The result is a significant impact on the local economy (
a real tradition have inherited information
developed thousands of years back. THAT'S authentic. The Mormons aren't.
-TD
From: Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subj
"Or perhaps a little closer to home, check out Aleister Crowley, William
Yeats, and all that crowd. Magick, alchemy, the craft of the wise, are all
long practiced spiritual paths, certainly as valid, probably even more, than
christianity."
Well, I think there's an obvious disconnect on this issu
lay...some of
them have no Euro-equivalent, but plenty of African).
As for Blake & Co, you may be right, but I had thought that there was some
supposed connection to very hidden Druidic roots.
-TD
From: Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&
"You won't find a prohibition against using drugs, nor a requirement to
persecute those who use them, anywhere in the Christian scriptures."
Well...not exactly a prohibition, no, but close. As I remember there's
something in either Peter or Paul mentioning "pharmakia", which is usually
translat
"Hundreds of reporters are embedded with the soldiers on the
ground. This makes it impossible for the US government to lie
overmuch."
Well it's not like a reporter can just jump onto a tank and ride wherever
its going. Those embedded reporters are pre-selected and then sent with the
troops that
.
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
-TD
Inspiring... :)
This was widely reported, in a major magazine article ("Atlantic Monthly,"
if I remember correctly) several years ago. It was also debunked.
A "reactor" made with bits of smoke detectors (Am-241) and other
Here's a story about a kid who basically made a duct-tape and tin foil
reactor. Or almost. If it's a hoax, its a pretty good one.
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/radscout.html
-TD
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Tim May wrote...
You fucking cretin, _you_ are the one who cited the article and then
wrote:
I always get a distinct pleasure out of getting posters to go postal. This
is close and I'm laughing my ass off!
(Even better is to knock a poster out of his nym into a new one. Tim? How
about 'cyphercr
'real', and that's when he starts yammering about being the
'real' Tyler Durden, whatever the hell that means.)
Is peaceful change, etc... possible? I'd like to think so. However, there
may come a point where "peaceful solution" is really just a lazy dream
de
Tim May wrote...
To _this_ American, namely, me, it is apparent that Pax Americana is >the
goal. By my definition of "rule," then, yes, America wants to rule >much of
the world. No, they don't want to micromanage the details. But >they
certainly want pliable governments that will not be _too_ >
"In modern times we have the names of Chinese people and cities changing as
different methods of transcribing Chines to English gain favor -- Peking
became Beijing, and Mao Tse Tung became Mao Zedong."
Well, I disagree with the implications here. At least with Chinese names the
new transliterat
What Chomsky says below is no suprise to most of those on this list,
left/right/other. What IS of interest is that fact that a universal
consensus seems to be emerging about the US's role in the world, and Chomsky
articulates this sentiment.
-TD
(from www.zmag.org)
IRAQ
Noam Chomsky , Univer
It was so simple! They should have done this years ago...
Reminds me of a friend that was on a standards commmittee. The committee
generated a time requirement for some kind of satellite signal to be sent,
and the requirement meant that light speed would be broken.
In response, my friend wrote
The other was an actual change in the name of the
city, from "Northern Plains" to "Northern Capitol".
This analysis doesn't explain everything. Modern Mandarin (which into its
current form early in the 20th century), along with its linguistic northern
predecessor has no sound such as "king", thou
"Having sat on Pacific Coast Highway below the takeoff path of LAX jumbo
jets, I can attest to the fact that they are literally just a few hundred
feet above. Any van with a moonroof could trivially be set up to allow a pop
shot at one of these 747s or 767s, leaving every couple of minutes.)"
M
Tim May wrote...
"Way too many people think they can become the next Tony Robbins, that
Neanderthal on late night t.v. selling motivational tapes"
Well, I think a lot of people actually get some real $$$ doing this kind of
stuff. And as an engineer/physicist by training, I can't help thinking t
Tim May wrote...
"Where did this "of color" nonsense get started?"
Like a lot of PC terms...from guilt-ridden white liberals. Black folks never
use this term, as far as I've ever heard. Likewise with "physically
challenged". My black karate Sensei used to periodically laugh at the shame
and em
Sarad wrote...
For a moment think of all the iraqi's with power
grids taken out now enjoying the 120+ farenhiet sun. A
few hours of luxury was gone and it was breaking news
in bbc.
Although I appreciate the sentiment, your not really getting this. The
timing was such that long-term impact was mi
"Tim May is the perfect example why vigilante justice is
generally considered to be a bad thing -- stupid assholes
like Tim May spout off & take action based on paranoia
instead of facts & principles of anarchy instead of justice
and innocent parties get hurt."
Well, on one hand taking justice into
Dave Howe wrote...
Tim May wrote:
> Reading about the Romanian student arrested today for allegedly
> releasing one of the "Blaster" variants, I was struck by how easy it
> would be to "bring a shitstorm down" on someone by inserting comments
> into the virus code.
oh joy - yet another way to joe
Peter Thonen wrote..
"On that same note, any weekend warrior who complains about being activated
has
no sympathy from me.
Take the devils coin, be prepared to do his work also."
Well, what if the Devil stole that $ from you in the first place? What level
of subversion is appropriate in order t
hose bombs you're building don't actually work! Otherwise,
keep on "bleeding the beast"...
-TD
From: "Thoenen, Peter CIV Sprint"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: US soldiers in
Yeah, kinda bizarre.
There's also an ambiguity that prevents one from saying Q is associative. Is
the table defined for both directions of *? In other words, is the table
meant to imply values for both x*y (ie, left*top) as well as y*x (top*left)?
For most objects x*y will not equal y*x (indeed
So...
how many people does one have to terrorize in order to be a terrorist?
PS: Anyone else getting tired of the term "terror"? Back when we all hated
Osama bin Laden (remember that guy?) Osama was promoted from "Terrorist" to
"terror mastermind" to "lord of terror" and so on. I'm sick of being
Tim May wrote...
"If cops ask local neighborhood members to report any suspicious activity,
the folks know that any benefits they gain from acting as informants tend to
be a lot smaller than the danger of being beat up or even killed by the
Mafia.
When the cost of acting as an informant is zer
Interesting story. They're even streaming Terminator3 from their servers,
which are also supposedly located in the refugee camp.
http://msn.com.com/2100-1105_2-5063402.html?part=msn&subj=ns&tag=nl
-TD
PS: Saw a Muslim woman walking down Wall Street this morning, wearing a Che
Guevara t-shirt!
..in cahoots with the "authorities"?
In other words, lets say I leave my house for an extended period of time,
and "they" tell the Alarm Monitoring company to shut down for a while so
they can protect our freedoms. (I assume this is the way they would go about
installing various things in one's
"Get tagged as a Red, perhaps based on "intelligence" like Usenet postings,
mailing list activity, political activity, and airlines are ordered to bar
use of their services. And arrest follows."
Serves you right. You and your constant criticisms of our divine and
God-appointed protectors and
So I guess his CAPS profile was green?
-TD
From: "J.A. Terranson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [cdr] CAPPS-II: Green/Yellow or Red for freight?
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 21:42:18 -0500 (CDT)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/09/09/plane.stowaway/index.html
Man shipped from
'll install a security camera in th' crapper to make sure
no terrorists get me while I'm on the can.
-TD
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann)
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Fatherland Security agents above the law?
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 18:10:24 +1200
"The Fatherland Security troops are publicly embaressed and showing
their brown shirts."
Well, I'm not convinced you guys have detected the right intended message
here.
Basically, the real message may be: "it's impossible to protect Americans
through local policies alone". In other words, there'
I think that it's becomming clear that in order for Americans to feel safe
US troops should morph into an international Police force. Next stop:
Indonesia!
-TD
"The ABCNEWS suitcase containing the uranium was placed in a teak trunk
along with other furniture put in a container in Jakarta, Indo
Tim May wrote...
"The questions being asked of Jim may have to do with the Feds making the
only prosecution they can make: that those passing on such threats via
mailing lists are somehow guilty of some crime. This is just speculation on
my part."
I thought the Feds questions to Jim Choate had
Walked by an interesting protest outside the stock exchange last week.
In the "pen" in front were probably no more than 600 people attending a
protest against the well-named "Patriot Act", and against Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld and their policies.
WHat was interesting was that, despite the relative
Although something deep down in my gut would LIKE to push this guy into a
trash compactor, it seems particularly odd that the courts/society view this
writing as somehow equating with impending action. Actually, it's quite
possible that these writings might be the very thing preventing him from
Matt Gaylor wrote...
"That's what free people have and that's one of the reason's I'd never
move to Canada. Naturally my car got searched with a fine toothed comb, but
I
added I wouldn't be stupid enough to bring my pistol. I spent considerable
effort cleaning my car of any stray ammo, thinking
"I no longer consider 9/11 a terrorist act."
Fuck. I've been nearing a similar conclusion, though from an entirely
different, uh, line of approach. Though I don't consider having quite
crossed that line yet.
I guess in the end we are responsible for the actions our government takes.
And if we
Got a crypto question here.
Let's say I push out a list I'd like to keep secret to some client machine.
The user of that machine must enter some ID or other piece of information. I
want the client machine to perform a search of that ID vs the contents of a
list (again, resident locally on that
ment. Is that so hard?
Sarath.
--- Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I guess in the end we are responsible for the
> actions our government takes.
> And if we remain ignorant and continue to benefit
> (and do nothing to stop
> it), then we are responsible, p
Don't forget that in ancient greece the populace could vote any leader into
exile.
My brother believes we should be able to vote any publically elected
official directly into jail, no questions asked.
-TD
From: Sarad AV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Drunken US Troops K
These seem to be actual chips. Anyone know of companies selling Crypto apps
for Network processors? If so, which is deemed more secure by
Cypherpunks...software apps on network processors or outboard chips? (Am I
correct in assuming that a crypto app on a network processor is not any
easier to
Tim May wrote...
"If it's a felony for _me_ to say "Sources tell me that Valerie Plame, the
wife of Ambassador Joseph Wilson, has been a CIA covert operative since
1980," it is a felony for Robert Novak to do so."
Hum. Particularly in the era of the Internet and blogs. Even if "The Press"
shou
Variola wrote...
"So don't use their tools. Don't abuse the law against the maker
of a tool which can be used improperly. It is simply
wrong to blame a gun or drill or code maker because some evildoer
(virus propogator) used the tool against you."
Well, although I am willing to agree that a gia
This makes 3 companies I know of working on Quantum Cryptography for key
distribution. There must be a few more...
http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?site=lightreading&doc_id=41735
-TD
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Instant message during games with MSN
The federal government is preparing for the first time to
require that personal computers and other consumer electronics devices
contain technology to help block Internet piracy of digital entertainment.
Just wait until MS unleashes a brood of lobbyists when nobody buys the new
Palladium-ed operat
Tim May wrote...
"I predict we'll soon be seeing a new thought control campaign with this
theme, that "if you use encryption, you help the terrorists win.""
Well, I'm dubious. Right now I'm thinking their strategy has been to pull
encryption down off of the social radar, and that's worked bette
rorists win"
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:27:00 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Saturday 25 October 2003 04:27 pm, Tyler Durden wrote:
>> secure (every ask anyone if they believed there was such a thing as
>> effectively 'unbreakable' encryption? Reglar folks always belie
t;
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:37:47 -0600
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On Saturday 25 October 2003 04:27 pm, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Tim May wrote...
>
> secure (every ask anyone if they believed there was such a thing as
> effectively 'unbreakable' encryption
housands of $$$ while we
spend pennies. Eventually you gotta figure that'll eat into the invasionary
funds, no? (Or am I being naive?)
-TD
From: Neil Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: "If you use encryption, you help the terrorists win"
Date: Mon,
the terrorists" and you may have wildfire. That's the
goal: wildfire.
You're problem is that you don't realize that crypto is no longer a
technological issue now. It's now a social and marketing one. The fact that
"Tyler Durden" actually has little of major insight
"I think that's the source as well - when the most recent of the
TWINKLE and TWIRL papers came out, Lucky Green was talking about
whether it was still safe to use 1024-bit keys,
and $1B for 1 key/day is similar to Shamir & Tromer's estimate of
( http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~tromer/p
Doesn't make sense.
Votes are already bought and sold, but there's so many middle men taking
their cuts in the form of military bases or whatnot that the enduser barely
gets some.
-TD
From: Tim May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: e voting (receipts, votebuying, brinworl
OK...let's say I receive a photo that I expected to contain stegoed
information on it, but then find that there's nothing I can retrieve using
the likely methods or software.
Is it possible to determine that the photo 'originally' (ie, when it was
sent to me) contained stegoed information, but
Tim May wrote...
"I consider Don Frederickson despicable, and stupid. To not bother before
understanding the context of the thread and say, basically, "Yes, we have
narced out this customer to law enforcement, but they are just watching" is
reprehensible."
Well, I saw the got.net quote befo
The anti-globalization protests are a good example of something
misunderstood by Libertarian old-farts. On some levels, these protests have
a libertarian character...anti-globalization is not really about eliminating
free trade per se, but eliminating "free trade", which is really just the
sele
etely used to being passive cogs in
a big, fat machine-state. So in a sense, it's gone way beyond
'repression'...no need for that rat-cage around our heads anymore.
-Tyler Durden
From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
Tim May wrote...
"This is silly, socialist nonsense. I know some of the book buyers at the
"Borders" store in Santa Cruz (the very one that the "anti-bigness" lefties
tried to ban from opening in Santa Cruz). Not only do they have a "local
authors" section which is larger than the similar secti
"I pretty much agree with your views, minus the racism and misogny.
On days that the brilliant thoughtful Tim posts, I'm in awe.
When Tim the asshole posts, I'm disgusted. Unfortunately
these days the latter Tim isn't letting the former Tim
near the keyboard very often."
I dunno...sometimes his ra
tilizing their talent-on-the-floor has helped them do so well
here in the US. (Though these mega-Barnes-and-Nobles may have dented their
numbers in the last few years...)
-TD
From: ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is Matel Stalinist?
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:56:31
oto was
de-stegoed. If the NSA is your man-in-the-middle, you might not be able to
tell.
Any of you TLA lurkers wanna come in on a remailer and set me straight?
-TD
From: "A.Melon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Has this photo been de-stegoed?
Date: Wed,
probably subpoena-proof.
>>
>> We have anonymity in email thanks to remailers (to the extent they're
>> still around).
>>
...
>
>alt.anonymous.messages has a healthy amount of traffic.
One could count some fraction of all the *.binaries.* on usenet
as anonymous comm
Mr Shaddack...
That's some interesting thinking there. The interesting thing is that no one
might ever even notice the presence of this benevolent worm. It could go
pretty much unchecked for a while.
As for Variola's comment, you might be right. I just assumed there's some
kind of relationship
Tim May wrote...
"Not only does it not make sense, but clearly this would cause pileups at
_some_ stores (too much Spam) and shortages at _other_ stores (still not
enough Spam, even with the latest "send more Spam to all stores" order. The
fact that neither shortages nor pileups (that I can see
Spread the word. The adminstration got desparate. In a few weeks they'll
announce this isn't the real Saddam, but that rounding up all of the clones
is necessary progress in the fight to get the real Saddam.
-TD
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-TD
From: Thomas Shaddack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Don't worry...it's just one of Saddam's doubles
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 03:33:53 +0100 (CET)
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Spread the wo
"Later today, a source close to the interrogation said that Saddam would be
subjected to stress and sleep deprivation. Basically, teams of
interrogators will ask questions over and over again, and no one will get
any rest until answers are provided."
At least here in NYC local news, it's common to
y're just going to get angrier. Look for bin Laden to grow in status
until he's just a notch or two below Mohammed. Look then for more bombings
and 9/11s here in the US. That Saddam was a cruel, butchering dictator will
soon be nearly irrelevant.
-Tyler Durden
From: Anatoly Vorobe
]
Subject: Re: U.S. in violation of Geneva convention?
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 01:08:46 +0200
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 05:06:55PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
> A thread that started out quasi-interesting has descended into
> non-Cypherpunk levels of triviality.
I thought it was trivial all along.
&
Uh...I assume you're quoting somebody here?
The last point is actually a very good one, but getting there requires
hacking through gobbledeegook. What's this "all businessmen" silliness? And
using vpns WITHIN a company? As an employee of a major Wall Street firm, I
can tell you that's completel
"I'm not certain, but I think there are some MS certified modems which have
a generalized A/D-D/A capability sufficient to handle voice."
They do. And I'm not so sure POTS is going to be where things will be the
most interesting...cable modem telephony might be where things get
interesting.
As
James Donald wrote...
"They were supposedly supporters of the NLF, which they well
knew was a North Vietnamese sock puppet, and thus a KGB sock
puppet. "
Uh...huh?
You really get a lot of things mixed up. If you think Ho Chi Minh was a KGB
sockpuppet then you really don't know anything about Vie
right." Forget it. Stop saying this crap and use that brain. 9/11
sucked enough in this town...we don't need another.
-TD
From: "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: I am anti war. You stupid evil scum are pro Saddam.
Date: Tue,
James Donald wrote...
"There is ample evidence that the 'anti war' crowd is largely
pro Saddam"
This is a critical point, and it's one you fail to recognize over and over
again.
Let me tell you a little story. There's this guy that lives down the
block...I think he may be a Satanist or somethin
"And I don't usually get quite this MAD, but such ignorance, such blindness,
is the reason we are in this mess. "
I'm not so sure Mr Donald is ignorant OR blind. He seems to be something
I've never seen in real life before: Completely aligned with US foreign
policy, past/present/future.
I'm st
"As long as truth is no defense against "hate speech," and "hate speech"
includes
things which clearly don't involve anyone hating anyone else, "hate speech"
is simply
a code phrase for suppressing free expression."
At worst. At best it's going to boil down to some local enforcement shitheel
ta
Variola: PULL!
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"All symbols that are related to Nazism. One of the reasons (if not the
reason) why they banned "Wolfenstein 3D"."
Interesting. So even if the swatsika is protrayed as a bad thing (to the
point of practically being a bullseye) it's banned.
So...can you have swastikas in Textbooks? Perhaps 100 yea
MK wrote...
I find it always interesting how people (especially from the US) seem
to have prefabricated ideas about how other countries are, but are at
the same time so much in denial about their own society that it is just
frightening.
Well, that's true. It's a point I've made on Cypherpunks many
;d note that some of the most outspoken "Anti semites" in this category
happen to be Jewish: Bobby Fisher, Noam Chomsky, Michael Albert and others.
From: Eric Cordian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Singers jailed for lyrics
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:1
"Nowhere in Tim's spew is the recognition that the largest
beneficiaries of government favoritism are corporations and
wealthy individuals like himself, especially those associated with
the greeders of the defense industry, rather the national
security state."
Yes...that's the thing I don't fully g
James Donald wrote...
"You just issued the "sovereignty" rationalization for Saddam's
crimes,"
Hey...I just heard that a country that's even MORE free than the US has
decided to liberate us from our oppressors in Washington DC. Don't stand on
your balcony to cheer for them as they roll through y
al capital to take the kinds of risks implicit in what you're
talking about.
"The meme which Tyler Durden and John Young--not surprising to me that both
are Manhattanites, representing the East Coast view of capitalism--are
popularizing is the one that says that what made comp
Tim May wrote...
"Because the Jews and negroes have demanded that all students be taught
stuff they obviously will never use. Most inner city mutants should be
taught practical skills, not abstract stuff their previous education has
been bereft of."
Well, I don't know who's responsible, but te
Tim May wrote...
First, please stop including the full text of the message you are replying
to. Learn to use an editor, whether you ultimately top-post or bottom-post
to edited fragments.
I actually do this for a reason. If I'm not doing a line-by-line response
(or sometimes even if I am), I
Well I be darned if Mr May hasn't inspired a major burst of eloquence,
between this response and Mr Young's.
As for this comment:
"Schools don't educate, but merely serve as a filter for employers to
locate those individuals who aren't going to make trouble at the factory."
At best. In the inner
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Subject: RE: Quantum Loop Gravity Be For Whitey
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:34:03 -0800
At 11:51 AM 1/1/04 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>"Stay In School!"
>
>In other words, schools keep the crime rates down, as is a well-known
>statistic. They are basically storage
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