Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

2016-09-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 12:03:56AM -0600, Mirimir wrote: > On 09/02/2016 11:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 10:33:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: > >> On 09/02/2016 09:26 PM, Razer wrote: > >>> On 09/02/2016 07:01 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at

Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/

2016-09-03 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
This thread has begin as a slander, as a lie of the JA Group to announce and to spread the creation of their site with fake allegations, using own Jacob Appelbaum's name. I love Jake and if you have some doubt about about my loyalty and friendship, please, ask him. :) This thread was something

Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/

2016-09-03 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
Alex, in the past, you became my friend because of this ugly thread. The same with Juan. We sent lots of private messages to each other and was amazing a collective work to discover what was happening. I learned to love df, a tor-talk list member, because of this thread. He has a huge heart,

Re: New list confirmation (Re: cpunks list relocation imminent (was: Re: moving on))

2016-09-03 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 05:33:33PM +0200, Tom wrote: > On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 08:08:39AM -0700, Razer wrote: > > I just took a look at the Wikipedia entry for 'greylisting'. It sounds > > awful if you're victimized by it. My personal mail from openmailbox to a > > friend was rejected by yahoo b/c

WAS [[tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/] - NOW [bla bla bla & ha ha ha]

2016-09-03 Thread Александр
This thread is/was about one of the ugliest smear campaigns ever against a Honest Man. Against Jake Appelbaum. On this thread people with Heart & Soul tried to defend this Man's Reputation. This Man's Dignity. Man's LIFE. And what have you done from this thread? A? Your fucken childish games. bla

NOW [bla bla bla & ha ha ha]

2016-09-03 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 10:14:29AM +0300, Александр wrote: > ... You > are just clowns. Hollow people with no principles. > All of us? Including Zenaan?

Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/02/2016 11:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 10:33:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: >> On 09/02/2016 09:26 PM, Razer wrote: >>> On 09/02/2016 07:01 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 06:06:24PM -0700, Razer wrote: > On 09/02/2016 05:51 PM, Zenaan

Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/02/2016 11:56 PM, Александр wrote: > This thread is about one of the ugliest smear campaigns ever against a > Honest Man. Against Jake Appelbaum. On this thread people with Heart & Soul > tried to defend this Man's Reputation. Man's Life. Truth. > And what have you done from this thread?

Fwd: Re: [Cryptography] "Flip Feng Shui: Hammering a Needle in the Software Stack"

2016-09-03 Thread Georgi Guninski
- Forwarded message from Georgi Guninski - Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2016 08:49:34 +0300 From: Georgi Guninski To: Jerry Leichter Cc: Florian Weimer , Cryptography List Subject: Re:

Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/

2016-09-03 Thread grarpamp
Tor, et al, are well described now. Other oppurtunities exist for, or will be made by, those wishing to take them. That's what it's all about :)

Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/03/2016 12:22 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 12:03:56AM -0600, Mirimir wrote: >> On 09/02/2016 11:30 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 02, 2016 at 10:33:58PM -0600, Mirimir wrote: On 09/02/2016 09:26 PM, Razer wrote: > On 09/02/2016 07:01 PM, Zenaan

Open Public Notice re Tor Inc and Jacob Applebaum

2016-09-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
(( was In-Reply-To: )) On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 11:12:36AM +0300, Александр wrote: > “We must always take sides”, > “Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. This was and is a great insight for me - thank you Alex!

FOR once and FOR ALL

2016-09-03 Thread Xer0Dynamite
Let's get this straight so all you can shut up or put up: There are two futures: one of an Apocalypse or one of Enlightenment. There are four prophesies (two religious and two mystical/new age) and two purely rational arguments why a dramatic and planetary shift MUST and WILL happen in one form

Re: FOR once and FOR ALL

2016-09-03 Thread Xer0Dynamite
Oh, and another thing. Just so that we're all clear of the utter stupidity of it all (even though it's mentioned in the links I gave prior): the Internet Revolution was co-opted into the same fucking forces as capitalism in America: GLAM and COMMERCE. Did you notice that the simple O(N^2)

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Xer0Dynamite
> We are "anarchists" and we do what we want. Anarchy doesn't scale. What will you expect with billion+ people without societal structure? Watch World War Z and then Book of Eli to find out. The future will probably be some mix of Apocalypse and Enlightenment, with the latter growing over the

Re: Suggestion to list admins for warning/disclaimer on the web for new subscribers

2016-09-03 Thread Steve Kinney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/03/2016 07:31 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 02:23:48PM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: >> The list has spooks, paid trolls, other similar whores and >> possibly crackpots. >> >> Some of them post actively, others

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread martin f krafft
also sprach grarpamp [2016-09-03 20:41 +0200]: > If you want to longtalk anything other than that to the point > that the charter would need a whole new section just for you, > GO FIND OR MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING LIST FOR THAT. Thanks for that. It's been appauling… -m

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Cecilia Tanaka
On Sep 3, 2016 3:57 PM, "Александр" wrote: > > 2016-09-03 21:41 GMT+03:00 grarpamp : >> >> Have some respect for that. > > grarpamp and alike, with lll the respect - Go, please go, please go go go fuck yourself at last! You peace of petty

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Sat, 2016-09-03 at 14:41 -0400, grarpamp wrote: > "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing > cryptography and its effect on society." There are reasonable relateds > within the realm of "cypherpunk" to include *its* computing, tools, > privacy, surveillance, law, news,

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Александр
2016-09-03 21:41 GMT+03:00 grarpamp : > Have some respect for that. Yea Yh! For that shit, real SHIT of pseudo-respect to some imaginable list rules - grarpamp gives AND demands respect. YEAH!!! Respect!!! But giving some respect for some things... you know,

4096 bit SSL keys

2016-09-03 Thread John
Speaking within the context of https SSL certs, is there any real value to a key/cert above 2048 bits? The reason I asked: updating a few certs at office recently I nuked an older F5 LTM device by installing a 4096 bit key/cert pair - the load on the appliance (Linux based) shot up from less

philosophokiddies: Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/3/16 5:00 PM, Razer wrote: > On 09/03/2016 11:41 AM, grarpamp wrote: > >> "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing >> cryptography and its effect on society." > That's why I'm here. I'm on the 'society' end of that dyad. > > Just in case it REALLY matters to Juan

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread juan
On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 19:08:51 -0700 "Stephen D. Williams" wrote: > On 9/3/16 7:07 PM, juan wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 18:08:41 -0700 > > "Stephen D. Williams" wrote: > > > > > >>> > >>> http://activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html > >>> > >>> "Crypto

Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/03/2016 06:51 AM, John Newman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 12:03:56AM -0600, Mirimir wrote: >> I wouldn't say monastic. Just private. Read old Bill Burroughs' stuff >> about the Johnson Family. > > It's been years since I read Naked Lunch or any of the other cut-up > novels (although I

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/3/16 1:30 PM, juan wrote: > On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:41:52 -0400 > grarpamp wrote: > > >> [1] >> "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing >> cryptography and its effect on society." > incomplete, and you didn't even provide a 'source' > >

Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/03/2016 05:25 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 04:47:28AM -0600, Mirimir wrote: >> On 09/03/2016 04:03 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > Is it possibly less than 'constructive' to dishearten individuals before > they've even begun? So maybe do something,

Re: philosophokiddies: Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/03/2016 07:34 PM, Stephen D. Williams wrote: > You are awfully sensitive. Many of us are feeling rather touchy, I think ;)

Re: FOR once and FOR ALL

2016-09-03 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/3/16 4:21 PM, John wrote: > > On September 3, 2016 3:07:40 PM EDT, Xer0Dynamite > wrote: Read Hack the Law at hackerspaces wiki or New World Order, also at that site. Either the future is made BY us, or it is destroyed by >> US. Which is it? >>>

Re: FOR once and FOR ALL

2016-09-03 Thread Razer
On 09/03/2016 12:07 PM, Xer0Dynamite wrote: > Then let me tell you: you didn't come from apes -- nobody did. Dude! You insulted my family (guerrillas). Let's box MF! Rr >>> Read Hack the Law at hackerspaces wiki or New World Order, also at >>> that site. Either the future is made BY us,

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Stephen D. Williams
On 9/3/16 2:41 PM, juan wrote: > On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:14:13 -0700 > "Stephen D. Williams" wrote: > >> On 9/3/16 1:30 PM, juan wrote: >>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:41:52 -0400 >>> grarpamp wrote: >>> >>> [1] "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list

Re: 4096 bit SSL keys

2016-09-03 Thread Riad S. Wahby
John wrote: > The reason I asked: updating a few certs at office recently I nuked > an older F5 LTM device by installing a 4096 bit key/cert pair - the > load on the appliance (Linux based) shot up from less than 1 to about > 30 and became so excruciatingly slow it was nearly

Re: Suggestion to list admins for warning/disclaimer on the web for new subscribers

2016-09-03 Thread juan
On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:23:48 +0300 Georgi Guninski wrote: > * social engineering > * manipulating opinions > * profiting from the past reputation of the term cypherpunk > * killing the list So which one of those categories are you in Georgi? More than

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread juan
On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 14:41:52 -0400 grarpamp wrote: > [1] > "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing > cryptography and its effect on society." incomplete, and you didn't even provide a 'source' plus, it's obvious that you haven't read

Re: New Intel and AMD Chips Will Only Support Windows 10

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/03/2016 09:43 PM, grarpamp wrote: > https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/16/09/01/2031247/new-intel-and-amd-chips-will-only-support-windows-10 > Buried in the announcement of the new Kaby Lake (seventh-generation) > processors and a rash of incoming notebooks set to use them is the >

PC-BSD Follows a Rolling Release Model, Gets Renamed To TrueOS

2016-09-03 Thread grarpamp
http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/pc-bsd-operating-system-gets-renamed-to-trueos-follows-a-rolling-release-model-507866.shtml https://www.trueos.org/2016/09/01/pc-bsd-evolves-into-trueos/ We are proud to announce that the PC-BSD project has evolved into TrueOS: a modern, cutting-edge distribution

Re: PC-BSD Follows a Rolling Release Model, Gets Renamed To TrueOS

2016-09-03 Thread Mirimir
On 09/03/2016 09:33 PM, grarpamp wrote: > http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/pc-bsd-operating-system-gets-renamed-to-trueos-follows-a-rolling-release-model-507866.shtml > https://www.trueos.org/2016/09/01/pc-bsd-evolves-into-trueos/ > > We are proud to announce that the PC-BSD project has evolved

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 02:41:52PM -0400, grarpamp wrote: [...] > If you're wondering why the "thousands" of people on the list > aren't "analysing political philosophies" with you, it's because > YOU'RE FUCKING OFFTOPIC, THEY DON'T WANT TO, and > they've BLOCKED YOUR ASS. > > But for new people

Re: 4096 bit SSL keys

2016-09-03 Thread Georgi Guninski
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 05:29:07PM -0700, Riad S. Wahby wrote: > John wrote: > > The reason I asked: updating a few certs at office recently I nuked > > an older F5 LTM device by installing a 4096 bit key/cert pair - the > > load on the appliance (Linux based) shot up from less

Re: Continual Violation of List Charter

2016-09-03 Thread juan
On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 18:08:41 -0700 "Stephen D. Williams" wrote: > > > > > > http://activism.net/cypherpunk/crypto-anarchy.html > > > > "Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money, anonymous > > networks, digital pseudonyms, zero knowledge, reputations, > > information

Re: The Unsettling Relationship Between Russia and Wikileaks

2016-09-03 Thread Razer
On 09/03/2016 08:28 PM, grarpamp wrote: > http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/01/world/europe/wikileaks-julian-assange-russia.htm > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3769958/Does-Wikileaks-help-Russia-Information-leaks-Julian-Assange-benefit-Kremlin.html > > Now, Mr. Assange and WikiLeaks are

Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

2016-09-03 Thread John Newman
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 12:03:56AM -0600, Mirimir wrote: > I wouldn't say monastic. Just private. Read old Bill Burroughs' stuff > about the Johnson Family. It's been years since I read Naked Lunch or any of the other cut-up novels (although I did re-read Junkie and Queer recently)... Still, I

Re: NOW [bla bla bla & ha ha ha]

2016-09-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 10:59:51AM +0300, Georgi Guninski wrote: > On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 10:14:29AM +0300, Александр wrote: > > ... You > > are just clowns. Hollow people with no principles. > > All of us? Including Zenaan? When someone expresses their heart, their frustration, their anger,

Re: Open Public Notice re Tor Inc and Jacob Applebaum

2016-09-03 Thread Александр
2016-09-03 11:18 GMT+03:00 Zenaan Harkness : > Signed: Zenaan Harkness Signed: Alexandr (Александр) And i have (not less) claims not only to the "leaders" of Tor, but to the whole tor/cypherpunk/tech community of passive and unprincipled people, who call themselves Humans

Re: [tor-talk] http://jacobappelbaum.net/

2016-09-03 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Sat, Sep 03, 2016 at 03:11:57AM -0400, grarpamp wrote: > Tor, et al, are well described now. > Other oppurtunities exist for, or will be made by, those wishing to take them. > That's what it's all about :) Fork in JA's name :) I know: JACAPS, Tor with transparency :)

Re: individual responsibility - was Re: Nationalism vs Globalism

2016-09-03 Thread John
On September 3, 2016 12:14:53 AM EDT, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >>AND I vehemently oppose the many and varied evils I witness going on >all >around the world and conducted in the name "Australia" (and USA, >France, >Germany, etc). > You don't seem to have any problem with all