Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-12-27 Thread Germano Massullo
Il 25/12/20 23:58, Terry Pinfold ha scritto: > Hi Germano, [...] Thank you Terry for your message. I will try to make practice with suggestions you gave me. Have a nice day darktable user mailing list to unsubscribe send

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-12-27 Thread Germano Massullo
I opened feature request [feature] default `base curve->preserve colors->luminance` to `none` https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/7500 + https://www.mail-archive.com/darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org/msg05963.html

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-12-25 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Fri, 2020-12-25 at 22:50 +0100, Germano Massullo wrote: > > > > > > > W-O-W Timur thank you so much, you solved 90% of my problems, > switching from "luminance" to "none" I got almost all colours I > need. I wonder why "luminance" is the default setting instead of >

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-12-25 Thread Willy Williams
If you're going to do a serious test, you might want to consider using a standard ColorChecker card (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColorChecker) to ensure that the colors you perceive are close to a known industry standard. Willy -- "You don't take a picture. You ask quietly and humbly to

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-12-25 Thread Terry Pinfold
Hi Germano, thanks for your considered replies. I concede your point when you said "because for example I may want to just adjust the exposure and few other things, by using the colours already generated by the camera". I decided to do a test. I found an image of a kangaroo (I am

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-12-25 Thread Germano Massullo
I am replying hereunder to most of the answers I got. Thank you everybody David Vincent-Jones wrote: > > Your camera JPG is produced using Nikon's secret and special 'sauce' > and achieving an identical result would be difficult. People who shoot > RAW files generally believe that they can hand

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-07 Thread Terry Pinfold
Recently I was teaching a group of students to use DT 3.0. We opened the same image using base curve to get the initial starting point, we then opened the image with no base curve and just did our own tone curve, and finally we used Filmic V4 and adjusted the white and black exposure sliders.

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-07 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
Hi, Germano! You're not gonna get precise color reproduction even if your camera has full support in dt (or you made custom profiling). Default basecurve module behavior has been changed since 3.0 release. Try changing color reproduction to 'none' instead of 'luminance'. This is the only way

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-07 Thread Kees Stravers
What version of Darktable are you using? In my experience, Darktable 2.6.x gets much closer to the Nikon colors in its defaults than 3.x does. Kees Germano Massullo schreef op 2020-11-04 23:35: Good day, I have shoot the following photo in JPEG+RAW and I would need your help in reproducing

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread Bernhard
Remco Viëtor schrieb am 06.11.20 um 07:01: he was advised that the easiest way would be to use Nikon's software. Some versions of which have been noted for modifying the NEFs, making them unreadable for many other programs, among which dt. That second sentence was exactly what I was

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread Remco Viëtor
On vendredi 6 novembre 2020 05:29:37 CET David Vincent-Jones wrote: > This conversation is taking place on a darktable forum ... I am not sure > why options for corrupting a RAW file with other pieces of software is > really relevant. Well, OP was asking about getting the same output from his raw

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread David Vincent-Jones
This conversation is taking place on a darktable forum ... I am not sure why options for corrupting a RAW file with other pieces of software is really relevant. On 2020-11-05 7:09 p.m., ternaryd wrote: On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 03:06:23 +0100 Bernhard wrote: David Vincent-Jones schrieb am

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread ternaryd
On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 03:06:23 +0100 Bernhard wrote: >> David Vincent-Jones schrieb am 05.11.20 um 22:57: >> Darktable is a non-destructive image >> editor and the user is totally unable to >> write or change the RAW file in any way. > that's right. > But: Nikon software (ViewNX) writes into the >

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread Bernhard
David Vincent-Jones schrieb am 05.11.20 um 22:57: Darktable is a non-destructive image editor and the user is totally unable to write or change the RAW file in any way. that's right. But: Nikon software (ViewNX) writes into the RAW file instead of creating a xmp file. And that crap from

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread Terry Pinfold
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 17:45, Martin Straeten wrote: > You might use this: > https://pixls.us/articles/profiling-a-camera-with-darktable-chart/ > But this approach isn’t useful when using filmic, since color lookup table > and tonecurve are mandatory. > Best solution to get nikon colors is using

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread David Vincent-Jones
Darktable is a non-destructive image editor and the user is totally unable to write or change the RAW file in any way. On 2020-11-05 1:49 a.m., Remco Viëtor wrote: On jeudi 5 novembre 2020 09:15:37 CET Archie Macintosh wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 06:44, Martin Straeten wrote: Best

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread Archie Macintosh
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 09:49, Remco Viëtor wrote: > Raw development is good if you do *not* like the look your camera produces, or > when you have images the camera software can't handle (images with high > dynamic range come to mind, or images with a lot of "led blue", like some > theatre

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread Remco Viëtor
On jeudi 5 novembre 2020 09:15:37 CET Archie Macintosh wrote: > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 06:44, Martin Straeten > wrote: > > > Best solution to get nikon colors is using the software provided by nikon > > Indeed. Isn’t that the digital equivalent of choosing to use > Kodachrome — the sort of

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-05 Thread Archie Macintosh
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 06:44, Martin Straeten wrote: > > Best solution to get nikon colors is using the software provided by nikon Indeed. Isn’t that the digital equivalent of choosing to use Kodachrome — the sort of choice we all made in the film days when there was no equivalent to what we

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-04 Thread Martin Straeten
You might use this: https://pixls.us/articles/profiling-a-camera-with-darktable-chart/ But this approach isn’t useful when using filmic, since color lookup table and tonecurve are mandatory. Best solution to get nikon colors is using the software provided by nikon ;) > Am 04.11.2020 um 23:36

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-04 Thread David Vincent-Jones
Your camera JPG is produced using Nikon's secret and special 'sauce' and achieving an identical result would be difficult. People who shoot RAW files generally believe that they can hand craft a result that is at least similar but probably better than that which the camera manufacturer can

Re: [darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-04 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Germano Massullo [11-04-20 17:37]: > Good day, I have shoot the following photo in JPEG+RAW and I would need > your help in reproducing the colours of the camera JPEG in dartkable RAW > editing. > > This is a Nikon Z6 JPEG > https://germano.fedorapeople.org/canc/pantheon/original_z6_JPG.JPG >

[darktable-user] Getting machine JPG colours in RAW editing

2020-11-04 Thread Germano Massullo
Good day, I have shoot the following photo in JPEG+RAW and I would need your help in reproducing the colours of the camera JPEG in dartkable RAW editing. This is a Nikon Z6 JPEG https://germano.fedorapeople.org/canc/pantheon/original_z6_JPG.JPG here instead the result of my elaboration of the