Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[jys]

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020, at 08:24, Miklós Müller wrote:
> As for the scanning resolution, I have to resort to my 6MP Nikon D50, my 
> budget does not allow for more ATM.
> 
> Here's the scanning rig BTW: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8

That is a beautiful reproduction rig, but... if it's as old as it looks, I 
guess it uses some kind of incandescent light source? If you want to make the 
most of your camera's dynamic range, you probably want to use a very "cool" 
light source (6500K, aka "daylight", or even add some gels to make it even more 
"blue"). This way, you won't end up with such an underexposed blue channel in 
order to avoid clipping the red channel; it will move them all a little closer 
together in the histogram. This crudely approximates what film scanners do by 
exposing the different channels for different lengths of time. It just helps 
with not having to push the digital stretching of the blue channel quite as 
hard. Take a shot without film loaded to get a white balance for the light 
itself, and use that WB setting for all the shots, then use the negadoctor 
module to further adjust for the remaining orange mask.

In addition to the links already provided for information about negadoctor 
module, also pay attention to the tooltips when hovering over the slider labels 
- there's a lot of information there.

And, just for my take on processing one of the old negatives, attached is an 
XMP for the first one, which also uses the color balance module to further 
correct some of the extreme color cast into something a little more neutral. 
Note the use of the parametric blend to constrain the processing to the shadow 
areas. You could do even better with more time spent on the masking, but it's a 
quick example. :-)

-- 
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[darktable-user] Changes to Filmic

[Terry Pinfold]

Thanks to Aurélien Pierre for his continued great work with Filmic. I have
not yet fully explored the potential of the latest version but am confident
that it will be an improvement on an already powerful module. However, the
one change that has me confused is the apparent loss of control  for the
saturation of the pixels at the extreme luminosities. I sometimes liked to
tweak these settings to suit the specific image.

I look forward to new instructions on the filmic module to understand the
modified options and tabs. Does anyone have any comments to share about the
latest version of the module?

-- 
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Lecturer in Flow Cytometry
University of Tasmania
17 Liverpool St, Hobart, 7000
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[darktable-user] image selection lighttable 3.2.1

[I. Ivanov]

Hi All,

I noticed a change how image selection works in lighttable 3.2.1 
compared to 3.0.2


When viewing in full screen (press and hold "w") and advance - I was 
able to click enter and mark the image - then when I release "w" the 
image on what I hit enter remained selected so I can easily go to it.


In 3.2 the image on what i press enter is highlighted but as soon as I 
move the mouse to go to it the selection disappears.


Does anybody know if this is intentional?

Thank you,

B


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Re: [darktable-user] Darkroom image visible under Lighttable thumnails

[Moritz]

I was affected by this as well. Crossposting what I wrote on Github:
Switching to a different theme fixed the issue. I had made some HiDPI
theming tweaks in the previous version (which may be superflous now). I
removed my `themes` folder (in `~/.config/darktable`), and now the default
darktable theme does not exhibit the issue anymore either.

Cheers
Moritz

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 9:52 AM Kneops  wrote:

> Thanks for the link :)
>
>
>
> Op 12-08-2020 om 09:45 schreef KOVÁCS István:
> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 09:42, Kneops  wrote:
> >> I just installed 3.2.1 and now when I switch back from an image in
> >> Darkroom to Lighttable, the Darkroom image is still visible under the
> >> thumbnails. Is that how it is supposed to work?
> >
> > I think an issue has been opened for that:
> > https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/5922
> >
> > Kofa
> >
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Bernhard]

jade...@ziggo.nl schrieb am 12.08.20 um 15:41:

Maybe these will help you with using darktable to process negatives.

This does need the latest darktable version (3.2.1), 'cause this is when the
negadoctor module was introduced. This module was specifically made for
processing negatives.

attached find the xmp of those images using negadoctor in dt 3.2.1
Put those together with the nef into a folder and import that folder to 
see the results.


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[darktable-user] Preview problems since update to 3.2.1

[Andreas Herold]

Hi,

since update to 3.2.1 from 3.0.2 I’m experiencing following problems:

My existing preview cache is not used. After some experimenting (deleted a 
cache file and let recreate it) I found, that now cache files of size „5“ are 
required for my display settings (3 images in row on a MacBook Pro Retina 13’’, 
2560 x 1600). For me that’s a big problem. I have about 7 images on two 
external disks of 5TB each. With this amount of images the preview cache 
becomes much too large for my notebook, if cache files of size „5“ are 
required. If I look at sizes of cached images, size „3“ would be fully 
sufficient for 3 images in row. BTW darktable 3.0.2 used cache file size „4“ 
for this setup, which was ok too.

Next problem is, that preview images are looking really awful. The preview 
images look like scaled without any interpolation, just like by leaving rows 
and columns completely out.

I hope, that these are issues, which can be fixed by some kind of 
configuration. 

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

On Wed, 2020-08-12 at 17:30 +0200, Jean-Luc Lacroix wrote:
> Darktable 3.2.1
> 
> 
> 
> My take only using the eyedropper tool from the negadoctor module
> in
> the dark green area of the larger tree and a slight correction on
> the dynamic range slider (0.61 db). Colors are a bit
> oversaturated.
> You can tweek this in the correction tab of that module.
> 
> 
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aq6SXSKIhuKPNjrMsFJUA9jFdOGD4EBx/view
> 
> 
> 
Why don't you flip it in horizontal direction? If scanned from emulsion
side it should be flipped.


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

> Here's the scanning rig BTW: 
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8

OMG, looks heavy. Don't break your lens mount.


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Jean-Luc Lacroix]

Darktable 3.2.1

My take only using the eyedropper tool from the negadoctor module in the 
dark green area of the larger tree and a slight correction on the 
dynamic range slider (0.61 db). Colors are a bit oversaturated. You can 
tweek this in the correction tab of that module.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Aq6SXSKIhuKPNjrMsFJUA9jFdOGD4EBx/view

JL

Le 12/08/20 à 15:06, Miklós Müller a écrit :

Hello,

I am quite new to raw processing with darktable. My primary purpose is 
to "scan" negative films with dslr, invert them, and then do some post 
processing. This is just a hobby, so I don't expect stunning results 
at start, I just need something to begin with.


I can achieve pretty good results with new films shot by myself with 
just a few clicks.


But I am completely lost when I am trying to revie my father's 40+ 
year old negatives. I do the same basic steps what I do with my new 
films (i.e. white balance the film base on the right side, do an 
invert with picker choosing the now white stripe on the right, and 
then I there I am with a dull image seemingly lacking color and 
contrast, etc.


I would be very grateful, if you could help me out getting started, 
i.e provide me with a basic, repeatable set of steps which would bring 
me to a somewhat better image.


Here are the links to an example nef file and an exported jpg to the 
starting point where I currently stand quite helpless.
nef 
 

xmp 
 

jpg 



Another dull example:
nef 

xmp 

jpg 



Another (somewhat better) example, where I used the woman's swimming 
dress to pick black and white points with the rgb curve tool:
nef 
 

xmp 
 

jpg 





Thanks for your help:
Miklos

 
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Miklós Müller]

Oh it's been a long time since I was on a mailing list, I have to get used
to reply to the list again. As for the scanning resolution, I have to
resort to my 6MP Nikon D50, my budget does not allow for more ATM.

Here's the scanning rig BTW: https://photos.app.goo.gl/8dUqTJkvmsdm9BTY8

M

On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 5:08 PM Timur Irikovich Davletshin <
timur.davlets...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> 1. Maybe its my just untrained eyes, but I fail to see the visual
> difference between the AMaZE and PPG demosaicking methods. I will do some
> reading about it.
>
>
> Depends, try color smoothing and averaging option. They do make difference
> for certain situation like those palm leaves with that back-lit sky.
>
> 2. As for the highlight reconstruction, did you change anything? When I
> load your xmp, I see no changes (i.e. clip highlight, threshold: 1, just
> the same as the untouched image).
>
>
> Honestly speaking I don't remember. It took like 10 minutes to make it, 7
> of them I was drinking tea and retouching scratches. Don't take it as a
> rule. Your negative has very little details in dark regions of the image,
> so I don't like trying to recover something that doesn't exist in the
> picture. Same for highlights.
>
> 3. How can I extract the xmp info from a jpg file within darktable?
>
>
> Lighttable mode → history stack → load sidecar file... choose JPG file.
>
> Don't forget to click "reply to mailing list" not to the "sender only" :)
>
> Timur.
>
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

> 1. Maybe its my just untrained eyes, but I fail to see the visual
> difference between the AMaZE and PPG demosaicking methods. I will do
> some reading about it.

Depends, try color smoothing and averaging option. They do make
difference for certain situation like those palm leaves with that back-
lit sky.

> 2. As for the highlight reconstruction, did you change anything? When
> I load your xmp, I see no changes (i.e. clip highlight, threshold: 1,
> just the same as the untouched image).

Honestly speaking I don't remember. It took like 10 minutes to make it,
7 of them I was drinking tea and retouching scratches. Don't take it as
a rule. Your negative has very little details in dark regions of the
image, so I don't like trying to recover something that doesn't exist
in the picture. Same for highlights.

> 3. How can I extract the xmp info from a jpg file within darktable?

Lighttable mode → history stack → load sidecar file... choose JPG file.

Don't forget to click "reply to mailing list" not to the "sender only"
:)

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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[jade_nl]

Hi Miklós,

Maybe these will help you with using darktable to process negatives.

This does need the latest darktable version (3.2.1), 'cause this is when the
negadoctor module was introduced. This module was specifically made for
processing negatives.

There isn't that much material available yet, but these three might help:

Testing Darktable 3 Negadoctor module (1):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgEqDqR514Q

Testing Darktable 3 Negadoctor module (2):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV_0v0pBOsY

And the video made by Aurélien Pierre, the developer of this module:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiNlHBZE888

There's also this thread on pixls.us:
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/inverting-photos-of-color-negatives-with-darktable/9140/42

Hope this helps.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 15:06:27 +0200
Miklós Müller  wrote:,

> Hello,
> 
> I am quite new to raw processing with darktable. My primary purpose is to
> "scan" negative films with dslr, invert them, and then do some post
> processing. This is just a hobby, so I don't expect stunning results at
> start, I just need something to begin with.
> 
> I can achieve pretty good results with new films shot by myself with just a
> few clicks.
> 
> But I am completely lost when I am trying to revie my father's 40+ year old
> negatives. I do the same basic steps what I do with my new films (i.e.
> white balance the film base on the right side, do an invert with picker
> choosing the now white stripe on the right, and then I there I am with a
> dull image seemingly lacking color and contrast, etc.
> 
> I would be very grateful, if you could help me out getting started, i.e
> provide me with a basic, repeatable set of steps which would bring me to a
> somewhat better image.
> 
> Here are the links to an example nef file and an exported jpg to the
> starting point where I currently stand quite helpless.
> nef
> 
> xmp
> 
> jpg
> 
> 
> Another dull example:
> nef
> 
> xmp
> 
> jpg
> 
> 
> Another (somewhat better) example, where I used the woman's swimming dress
> to pick black and white points with the rgb curve tool:
> nef
> 
> xmp
> 
> jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for your help:
> Miklos
> 
> 
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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Timur Irikovich Davletshin]

My take on your second image:

1. JPG: 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qiPsmmlaCdcNexnCa90x5gVxyswWL9M_/view?usp=sharing

2. XMP (generally there is no need to post, just load history from
JPG): 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tADB3DviM8_G8oi-rMcxiZVTMZ82X0T3/view?usp=sharing

Timur.

P.S. Wash old films in distilled water and use wet scanning if you can.
Take higher resolution if possible (12-18 Mpx for 35mm), it will help
avoiding ugly bluish artifacts around high contrast details on color
negatives. Don't enable base curve module.


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Re: [darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[KOVÁCS István]

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 15:08, Miklós Müller  wrote:
> I am trying to revie my father's 40+ year old negatives. I do the same basic 
> steps what I do with my
> new films (i.e. white balance the film base on the right side, do an invert 
> with picker choosing
> the now white stripe on the right, and then I there I am with a dull image 
> seemingly lacking color and contrast, etc.

Have you tried the new negadoctor module? See
https://discuss.pixls.us/t/darktable-3-2-containment-effect/19652 and
search for the name.

Kofa

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[darktable-user] newbie help with old negatives

[Miklós Müller]

Hello,

I am quite new to raw processing with darktable. My primary purpose is to
"scan" negative films with dslr, invert them, and then do some post
processing. This is just a hobby, so I don't expect stunning results at
start, I just need something to begin with.

I can achieve pretty good results with new films shot by myself with just a
few clicks.

But I am completely lost when I am trying to revie my father's 40+ year old
negatives. I do the same basic steps what I do with my new films (i.e.
white balance the film base on the right side, do an invert with picker
choosing the now white stripe on the right, and then I there I am with a
dull image seemingly lacking color and contrast, etc.

I would be very grateful, if you could help me out getting started, i.e
provide me with a basic, repeatable set of steps which would bring me to a
somewhat better image.

Here are the links to an example nef file and an exported jpg to the
starting point where I currently stand quite helpless.
nef

xmp

jpg


Another dull example:
nef

xmp

jpg


Another (somewhat better) example, where I used the woman's swimming dress
to pick black and white points with the rgb curve tool:
nef

xmp

jpg




Thanks for your help:
Miklos


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Re: [darktable-user] Windows darktable V 3.2.1 - does not load/import lightable files or folder

[Harald]

Ross,

do you see a Terminal window with debugging information in parallel to
the darktable window? If this is not true, run darktable from within a
git bash window to be able to collect all messages.

Download and install git for windows first (https://gitforwindows.org/).

"-d" is the option to show the messages for each subsystem, "-d all" for
everything (supported). -d is never part of a path name.

Take care about "/" or "\" in your path as well. Within git bash
terminal window it is "/" and NOT "\".

Haribo 

Am 12.08.2020 um 04:28 schrieb Ross Tucker:
> Hi Harald:
>
> Thanks for the tip! 
>
> I tried to use it but it still didn't work - still no lighttable import.
> When I click on any of the left side window panes:
> - import
> - collect images
> - recently used collections
> and try to select something, nothing happens.
> When I try to import a directory which has a lot of photo's in it, the
> Windows darktable icon on the bottom of the monitor shows a progress
> bar as part of the icon.  Something is definitely happening in the
> background, but nothing ever shows up in the lighttable image
> collection area.
>
> Thanks for pointing me to darktable command line parameters.  Tried
> the one you suggested, with no apparent luck.  Not sure where my cache
> folder is supposed to reside (yet).
> Ran the cache generating command line feature and it ran for quite
> a while (1.1.3. darktable-generate-cache binary) but still nothing
> shows up in the  lighttable  area.
> I did find a cache related directory at:
>     C:\Program
> Files\darktable\bin\-d\cached_kernels_for_GeForceGTX970_44187
> which has 31 files in it ranging from a low of 6 kB to a high of  439 kB.
> I then ran a variant of your suggestion:
>     darktable --cachedir C:\Program
> Files\darktable\bin\-d\cached_kernels_for_GeForceGTX970_44187  -d lua
> -d opencl -d perf -d sql
> which then gives me the error message of:
>     
> image.png
>
> changed the command line to:
>     C:\Program Files\darktable\bin>darktable  --cachedir
> .\-d\cached_kernels_for_GeForceGTX970_44187   -d lua   -d opencl   -d
> perf   -d sql
> and it ran without an error message but without any different
> results.  It generated a subfolder in the cache folder "-d" and
> basically repeated all the same files in it.
>
> As I mentioned earlier, I can RMB on a file using Windows Explorer and
> choose to open with darktable, but none of the files ever show up in
> the lighttable view.
>
> Not sure what next to try.
>
> Thanks again for your suggestions.
>
> Sincerely
>
> Ross Tucker
>
>
> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 20:56, Harald  > wrote:
>
> Hi Ross,
>
> I recommend using a start option to enable debugging mode to help
> better understand what is really going on here...
>
> For example I start darktable like this :
>
> c:/tools/.../darktable/bin/darktable --cachedir c:/... _-d_ lua -d
> opencl -d perf
>
> Related help can be retrieved here:
>
> 
> https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/overview_chapter.html#darktable_commandline_parameters
> 
> 
>
> Regards
>
> Haribo
>
> Am 11.08.2020 um 08:05 schrieb Ross Tucker:
>> Hi Terry:
>>
>> I uninstalled  darktable  with their uninstaller.
>> downloaded the 64 bit pgm file again.
>> reinstalled again.
>> tried again.
>> still NG.
>> Something is stubbornly refusing to let  darktable  import folders.
>> I have let it import jpgs (I have RAW & JPG) plus I let it
>> recurse directories, but still NG.
>>
>> Tried editing a bit and that seems to work as before, but
>> lighttable is still a no-go for me at the moment.
>> I can still access files by opening them from windows explorer,
>> but of course I lose all the features (tagging, stars, colour
>> tags, etc.) from lighttable.
>>
>> Glad it's working for you though.
>>
>> rss
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 11:13, Terry Pinfold > > wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ross,
>>      I just installed it on my windows computer. Followed the
>> instruction to let DT upgrade the database. Then imported a
>> new folder and it was fine. I look forward to exploring the
>> improved features and options. No problems yet. 
>>
>> On Tue, 11 Aug 2020 at 09:05, Ross Tucker
>> mailto:ross.tuc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi:
>>
>> With much excitement I installed  darktable  V 3.2.1
>> after running V 3.0.2 since it's release about 8 months
>> ago.  3.0.2 had problems and limited some of the edits I
>> could do but I still could use it.  3.2.1 has edited one
>> file so far so that was nice.  I went to import a folder
>> full of my latest  NEF images but nothing loaded.  I
>> tried importing a single file into lightable 

Re: [darktable-user] Darkroom image visible under Lighttable thumnails

[Kneops]

Thanks for the link :)



Op 12-08-2020 om 09:45 schreef KOVÁCS István:

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 09:42, Kneops  wrote:

I just installed 3.2.1 and now when I switch back from an image in
Darkroom to Lighttable, the Darkroom image is still visible under the
thumbnails. Is that how it is supposed to work?


I think an issue has been opened for that:
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/5922

Kofa

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Re: [darktable-user] Darkroom image visible under Lighttable thumnails

[KOVÁCS István]

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 at 09:42, Kneops  wrote:
> I just installed 3.2.1 and now when I switch back from an image in
> Darkroom to Lighttable, the Darkroom image is still visible under the
> thumbnails. Is that how it is supposed to work?

I think an issue has been opened for that:
https://github.com/darktable-org/darktable/issues/5922

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[darktable-user] Darkroom image visible under Lighttable thumnails

[Kneops]

I just installed 3.2.1 and now when I switch back from an image in 
Darkroom to Lighttable, the Darkroom image is still visible under the 
thumbnails. Is that how it is supposed to work?


https://i.imgur.com/hNvZVe3.jpg

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