Re: Bug#762194: Alternative proposal for init switch on upgrades.

2014-11-30 Thread Cameron Norman
On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Tollef Fog Heen tfh...@err.no wrote: ]] Cameron Norman On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:29:42PM -0800, Cameron Norman wrote: I would like to propose a different one. [...] So

Bug#762194: Alternative proposal for init switch on upgrades.

2014-11-29 Thread Cameron Norman
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 05:29:42PM -0800, Cameron Norman wrote: I would like to propose a different one. [...] So, the change would be that: the sysvinit package would cease being a transition / shim package, however

Bug#762194: a technical proposal

2014-11-22 Thread Cameron Norman
to come, which makes the distribution more difficult to support. If there was an intention to do so, how would we go about switching systems over to systemd in the next release, if we use the solution displayed here in Jessie? Thanks, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ

Bug#762194: a technical proposal

2014-11-22 Thread Cameron Norman
On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:01 AM, Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Adam Borowski kilob...@angband.pl wrote: Hi! As Ansgar requests technical solutions, here's one: just like systemd-shim|systemd-sysv, switch the init package from Pre

Bug#762194: Alternative proposal for init switch on upgrades.

2014-11-22 Thread Cameron Norman
| sysvinit-core | upstart. If an automatic switch is something that the project wants, but after Jessie, then then the init dependency would be changed to systemd-sysv | sysvinit-core | upstart. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org

Bug#765803: Status of prompting / notification on upgrade for init system switch?

2014-10-23 Thread Cameron Norman
for? If you are going to the work of parsing it all, would it not make sense to make a systemd generator out of it? -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https

Bug#765803: Status of prompting / notification on upgrade for init system switch?

2014-10-21 Thread Cameron Norman
just picky about who its friends are Thanks, -- Cameron Norman

Bug#765803: tech-ctte: Ask before changing init system when upgrading to jessie and Inform about init systems when installing jessie

2014-10-18 Thread Cameron Norman
to this is when you remove bash, and you get a loud warning at that point. Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org

Bug#746578: Reasons to keep systemd-sysv as the first alternative

2014-09-18 Thread Cameron Norman
be simply an aesthetic issue, as systemd-shim does not impede operation of systemd as init. Best regards, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org

Bug#746578: More systemd fallout :-/

2014-09-18 Thread Cameron Norman
+ systems). Cheers, -- Cameron Norman -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-ctte-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CALZWFRJ7CJ=pdkr6xffc2gs-0zjp+czcb-ysomrp9lsep_y...@mail.gmail.com

Bug#741573: Two menu systems

2014-06-27 Thread Cameron Norman
be available in a particular format (e.g. 32x32 png) so that WMs do not have to handle so many corner cases in that area. Best, -- Cameron Norman

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-06 Thread Cameron Norman
is very stressful, and that is never good. I do not know your taste in music, but maybe you will like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNygDLi9gb4. Top of the day, -- Cameron Norman

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-06 Thread Cameron Norman
of your other message (that you would not be surprised if upstart support was removed) seems like it is. Would you mind clarifying a little? Thanks y buenos noches, -- Cameron Norman

Bug#746715: the foreseeable outcome of the TC vote on init systems

2014-05-02 Thread Cameron Norman
] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=712763 Best regards, -- Cameron Norman

Bug#727708: call for votes on default Linux init system for jessie

2014-02-08 Thread Cameron Norman
El Sat, 8 de Feb 2014 a las 3:56 PM, Michael Gilbert mgilb...@debian.org escribió: On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 6:40 PM, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: I understand you think that, and I empathize, but I disagree. The fact is, I have limited time. If I'm going to focus on making a bigger impact with my

Bug#727708: I'd like to voice my opinion

2014-02-06 Thread Cameron Norman
El Thu, 6 de Feb 2014 a las 7:41 PM, Schlacta, Christ aarc...@aarcane.org escribió: I'd like to request that upstart be chosen over systemd mainly because there's already a large availability of deb packages that support init mainly due to ubuntu. Ubuntu acts as a gateway distro to the debian

Bug#727708: Processed: block 726763 with 727708

2014-02-01 Thread Cameron Norman
function properly with no intervention. -- Cameron Norman

Bug#727708: Thoughts/Summary on the init-system

2014-01-19 Thread Cameron Norman
, -- Cameron Norman

Bug#727708: init system thoughts

2014-01-17 Thread Cameron Norman
start logind without GNOME starting. -- Cameron Norman

Bug#727708: Thoughts on Init System Debate

2014-01-17 Thread Cameron Norman
as Ubuntu continues using upstart. If you have the time, I must ask: if Upstart had no CLA, would you prefer it over systemd? -- Cameron Norman

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-03 Thread Cameron Norman
On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: Clint Adams cl...@debian.org writes: As loath as I am to participate in this discussion, I have to ask if your intent is to suddenly outlaw all the packages which depend on runit. I don't think runit (or daemontools)

Bug#727708: upstart dependency handling

2014-01-02 Thread Cameron Norman
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:35 AM, Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote: I wanted to lift this out of the thread it was buried in and see if I'm understanding it correctly, since if I am, it seems like a significant issue. Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes: I think you raise a lot

Bug#727708: init system discussion status

2014-01-02 Thread Cameron Norman
--debian-Z) to ensure that the daemon does not hang on sysv or systemd? Cheers, Cameron Norman

Bug#727708: loose ends for init system decision

2014-01-02 Thread Cameron Norman
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Josselin Mouette j...@debian.org wrote: Le jeudi 02 janvier 2014 à 18:30 +, Ian Jackson a écrit : I would hope that we can standardise on a single API to the system's single cgroup writer. I have already explained why this is not going to happen. The

Bug#727708: init system other points, and conclusion

2014-01-01 Thread Cameron Norman
to accomplish this than to port Upstart's session init capabilities or use the current portable session inits. Sincerely, Cameron Norman -- Colin Watson [cjwat...@debian.org]

Bug#727708: init system thoughts

2014-01-01 Thread Cameron Norman
jobs, and Debian will most likely inherit that behavior if it uses Upstart. Happy New Year, Cameron Norman $ cat jobOne.conf start on (starting jobTwo and runlevel stop on runlevel [016]) stop on runlevel [016] respawn script exec /bin/sleep 60 end script $ cat jobTwo.conf start

Bug#727708: init system thoughts

2014-01-01 Thread Cameron Norman
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Cameron Norman camerontnor...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 4:00 PM, Nikolaus Rath nikol...@rath.org wrote: Colin Watson cjwat...@debian.org writes: The criticisms of Upstart's event model in the systemd