Re: tech-ctte: Call for votes on TC membership of Elana and Sean

2020-05-28 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 28 mai 2020, 18.27:24 h CEST Jonathan Carter a écrit : > Proposed delegation update, I'll go ahead if any one of you provides a > +1, otherwise, please provide corrections if necessary: > > The Technical Committee now consists of: > > * Didier Raboud (chairman) > * Philip Hands > *

Bug#947847: please install systemd-sysusers using update-alternatives

2020-01-30 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 30 janvier 2020, 00.28:36 h CET Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 1/29/20 4:31 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Software installed as /bin/systemd-* , created within the systemd project, > > to fulfill systemd's view of the world, takes a reasonable hit

Bug#947847: please install systemd-sysusers using update-alternatives

2020-01-29 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 29 janvier 2020, 16.07:21 h CET Thomas Goirand a écrit : > This reasoning can make sense, if we agree that we should use something > else than /bin/systemd-sysusers and standardize on something else like > /bin/sysusers. Then we modify the Debian policy that /bin/sysusers is > *the* wa

Bug#947847: please install systemd-sysusers using update-alternatives

2020-01-29 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 29 janvier 2020, 12.41:52 h CET Thomas Goirand a écrit : > I'm replying to you, but it goes also for Phillip Kern too, which had a > similar answer. Only words, I know, but let's try to answer technical points, not address people. "Talk to the space, not to individuals" > My idea i

Re: Thinking about Delegating Decisions about Policy

2019-09-06 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 6 septembre 2019, 11.32:06 h CEST Bill Allombert a écrit : > On Thu, Sep 05, 2019 at 09:17:59AM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > Le mercredi, 4 septembre 2019, 23.53:06 h CEST Bill Allombert a écrit : > > > On Wed, Sep 04, 2019 at 11:04:57PM

Re: Thinking about Delegating Decisions about Policy

2019-09-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 4 septembre 2019, 23.53:06 h CEST Bill Allombert a écrit : > On Wed, Sep 04, 2019 at 11:04:57PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > > > * Most decisions are not just technical decisions, in many/most cases > > > > > > the decisions have answers that are all correct, but it just de

Re: Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-03-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 4 mars 2019, 22.28:38 h CET Margarita Manterola a écrit : > Hi, > > > - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > The winners are: > > Option M `middle` > > Option H `hard` > > > > - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-03-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 25 février 2019, 14.58:09 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > I call for vote immediately on the following resolution. > > === Resolution === > > The Technical Committee resolves to decline to override the debootstrap > maintainers. > > Furth

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-26 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 25 février 2019, 14.58:09 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > === Resolution === > > The Technical Committee resolves to decline to override the debootstrap > maintainers. > > Furthermore, using its §6.1.5 "Offering advice" power, the Te

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-25 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear Technical Committee members, I call for vote immediately on the following resolution. === Resolution === The Technical Committee resolves to decline to override the debootstrap maintainers. Furthermore, using its §6.1.5 "Offering advice" power, the Technical Committee considers that the de

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-25 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
(Corrected the recipients, these mails should go to the bug). Le lundi, 25 février 2019, 14.23:31 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > Le samedi, 23 février 2019, 12.12:13 h CET Niko Tyni a écrit : > > > * B: The desireable solution at the time of bullseye is `hard`

Re: Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-25 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 23 février 2019, 12.12:13 h CET Niko Tyni a écrit : > > * B: The desireable solution at the time of bullseye is `hard`; both > > directory schemes should be allowed, and packages can be built on hosts > > with either classical or "merged-`/usr`" directory schemes. > > Isn't this the 'mi

Re: Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-24 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 21 février 2019, 15.28:23 h CET Ian Jackson a écrit : > Back in the wider world, of course many people build packages on > Debian systems for installation `somewhere else'. I have done it > myself and probably many of the people reading this message have too. > > What is implicitly goin

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-24 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 19 février 2019, 01.59:18 h CET Steve McIntyre a écrit : > While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with the overall point(s) here, > some of the points in this list of arguments seem dubious at > best. Maybe you could expand? Sure. Sorry for publishing a new ballot before answering. > >*

Re: Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 18 février 2019, 08.58:53 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > Dear Technical Committee members, > (CC'ed to submitter, and debootstrap maintainers for information and > feedack) > > Here's the current state of the draft resolution; which `maste

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear Technical Committee members, (CC'ed to submitter, and debootstrap maintainers for information and feedack) Here's the current state of the draft resolution; which `master` is at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/tech-ctte/blob/master/914897_merged_usr/ballot.md I will submit it to vote on Frid

Bug#914897: tech-ctte: Should debootstrap disable merged /usr by default?

2019-02-02 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 2 février 2019, 14.48:22 h CET Ian Jackson a écrit : > Ping ? Thank for the ping. Gunnar and myself have started working on a draft, the latest version of which is available at https://salsa.debian.org/debian/tech-ctte/blob/master/914897_merged_usr/ ballot.md It's really wor

Bug#914897: debootstrap, buster: Please disabled merged /usr by default

2018-12-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 2 décembre 2018, 00.23:05 h CET Andreas Henriksson a écrit : > On Sat, Dec 01, 2018 at 07:20:57PM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > * With my TC hat on, I have formally asked the debootstrap maintainers > > (and specifically Hideki Yamane) if they would

Bug#914897: debootstrap, buster: Please disabled merged /usr by default

2018-12-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 1 décembre 2018, 19.29:59 h CET Marc Haber a écrit : > This might sound like a stupid question, what will happen when a package > built on a usrmerged System will be installed on a non-usrmerged system? FTR, I try to always assume that no question is stupid. Only answers can be. My un

Bug#914897: debootstrap, buster: Please disabled merged /usr by default

2018-12-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
As a way to improve my understanding of the issue at hand, here's my current collection of data points regarding the "merged-/usr" question: * "merged-/usr" was enabled by default in debootstrap on June 13. 2018, some 5+ months ago. Any buster rootfs setup since has the /bin → /usr/bin symli

Bug#914897: #914897: debootstrap, buster: Please disabled merged /usr by default

2018-11-30 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear Hideki, dear src:debootstrap maintainers, tl;dr: debootstrap maintainers; can you agree to disable "merged /usr" by default now, or are you OK letting the TC decide on this subject? Longer version: As you might be aware, #914897 (initially filed on src:debootstrap) has now been reassigned

Re: Term limits

2018-11-25 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 22 novembre 2018, 00.16:50 h CET Margarita Manterola a écrit : > I was about to send the mail to d-d-a as agreed in the meeting today and > started looking into previous mails and appointments and I think we may > have made a mistake thinking that Didier's and Tollef's terms expire > this

Bug#904302: Call for vote on disallowing the use dpkg's vendor series in the archive

2018-11-06 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 5 novembre 2018, 19.44:21 h CET Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : > RESOLUTION > > Vendor-specific patch series are a feature of dpkg that can be used to > apply a different series of quilt patches when the source package is > unpacked on different systems. Since Debian source package

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive

2018-10-23 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Nice, thanks. A minor nitpicks inline … Le mardi, 23 octobre 2018, 21.28:40 h CEST Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : > === DRAFT Resolution === > > Vendor-specific patch series are a feature of dpkg that can be used to > apply a different series of quilt patches when the source package is > unpacked on

Bug#904302: Whether vendor-specific patch series should be permitted in the archive

2018-10-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 19 septembre 2018, 14.39:23 h CEST Philip Hands a écrit : > How about this instead: > > The Committee therefore resolves that: > > 1. Any use of dpkg's vendor-specific patch series feature is a bug for > packages in the Debian archive (including contrib and non-free), >

Bug#911225: tech-ctte: Advice on stale libraries in a higher-precedence path entry

2018-10-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 17 octobre 2018, 11.59:09 h CEST Simon McVittie a écrit : > I would like advice from the technical committee on > . I am not asking for anyone to be > overruled. Thanks for your bugreport, thanks also for specifying you're expecting the TC to act under

Re: Next Meeting - Wednesday, August 15th 19:00 UTC (tomorrow)

2018-08-14 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 14 août 2018, 14.07:37 h EDT Margarita Manterola a écrit : > Our monthly meeting will take place tomorrow at 19:00 UTC. I'm unfortunately quite unlikely to be able to attend. :-/ Cheers, OdyX

Bug#893200: TC Chair election

2018-03-23 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 17 mars 2018, 10.25:28 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN=== > > The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: > > A : Didier Raboud > B : Tollef Fog Heen > C : Phil Hands > D : Margarita Manterola > E : David Bremner &g

Mar 2018 TC meeting is at 'Wed Mar 21 19:00:00 UTC 2018'

2018-03-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening tomorrow : date -d 'Wed Mar 21 19:00:00 UTC 2018' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org I have updated the agenda on our new repository: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/tech-ctte/blob/master/meetings/agenda.md Chee

Bug#893200: TC Chair election

2018-03-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Package: tech-ctte Severity: normal Dear TC members, With the appointment of Simon to the TC and according to our current procedures¹, I am hereby announcing my immediate vacation of the chair position, triggering a new election. The ballot is the following: ===BEGIN=== The chair of the Debi

Bug#880014: Call for Votes for new TC member

2018-03-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 4 mars 2018, 11.44:45 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee recommends that Simon McVittie be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > S: Recommend to Appoint Simon McVittie > F: Further

Bug#880014: Call for Votes for new TC member

2018-03-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
I call for votes on the following ballot to fill a vacant seat in the TC. The voting period starts immediately and lasts for up to one week, or until the outcome is no longer in doubt (§6.3.1). ===BEGIN The Technical Committee recommends that Simon McVittie be appointed by the Debian Project Le

Bug#880014: Call for Votes for new TC member

2018-02-23 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
As of now: The current number of nominees is: 1 The current number of accepted nominations is: 1 Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Feb 2018 TC meeting is at 'Wed Feb 21 19:00:00 UTC 2018'

2018-02-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening tonight : date -d 'Wed Feb 21 19:00:00 UTC 2018' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org I have updated the agenda on our new repository: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/tech-ctte/blob/master/meetings/agenda.md … but

Bug#883573: TC decision on libpam-systemd alternative dependencies ordering (bug #883573)

2018-02-16 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The Technical Committee was asked in bug #883573 to revisit the decision taken bug #746578 (libpam-systemd alternative dependencies ordering to avoid init system changes accross dist-upgrades). === Resolution === In 2014, it was resolved in #746578 that the libpam-systemd binary package alterna

Bug#880014: Call for Votes for new TC member

2018-02-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The current number of nominees is: 1 The current number of accepted nominations is: 0. (The request for accept/decline has just been sent now.) Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: TC nomination procedure v0

2018-02-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 28 novembre 2017, 09.40:45 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > I have finally finished drafting the "Nominations to the Technical Commitee" > procedure. The point of it is to document current practice, and create a > basis for discussion. It also outlines

Bug#883573: Call for vote on waiving libpam-systemd dependencies' ordering

2018-02-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
> R: Approve resolution and repeal the TC decision from 2014-11-15 in #746578. > F: Further Discussion I vote R > F -- OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: TC nomination procedure v0

2018-02-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 30 novembre 2017, 14.03:15 h CET Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > Having said that though, I'm also not convinced that the current > completely private system is working very well. > > Speaking as someone who's been a candidate for a number of past > appointments now, the process feels too mu

Bug#883573: Call for vote on waiving libpam-systemd dependencies' ordering

2018-02-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
I call for votes on the following resolution with regards to #883573. The voting period lasts for one week or until the outcome is no longer in doubt (§6.3.1). === Resolution === In 2014, it was resolved in #746578 that the libpam-systemd binary package alternative dependency on systemd-shim and

Bug#889493: tech-ctte: Please review if systemd is reliable enough to be the default

2018-02-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 3 février 2018, 22.22:19 h CET Philip Hands a écrit : > On Sat, 03 Feb 2018, "Kingsley G. Morse Jr." wrote: > > Package: tech-ctte > > I don't formally have the right to simply close this bug (as I am now > doing), so if anyone else on the TC thinks there is any merit whatsoever > in t

Bug#886267: Voting for TC Chair

2018-01-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 3 janvier 2018, 17.38:56 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN=== > > The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: > > A: Didier Raboud > B: Tollef Fog Heen > C: Phil Hands > D: Margarita Manterola > E: David Bremner >

Bug#886267: Voting for TC Chair

2018-01-03 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Package: tech-ctte Severity: normal Dear TC members, With the appointment of Gunnar to the TC, Keith's term expiry and according to our current procedures¹, I am hereby announcing my immediate vacation of the chair position, triggering a new election. For clarity of the process, I am intereste

Bug#880014: #880014: Call for Votes for new TC member

2018-01-02 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 26 décembre 2017, 17.52:09 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee recommends that Gunnar Wolf be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > G: Recommend to Appoint Gunnar Wolf > F: Further Di

Bug#880014: Call for Votes for new TC member

2017-12-26 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 26 décembre 2017, 17.52:09 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee recommends that Gunnar Wolf be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > G: Recommend to Appoint Gunnar Wolf > F: Further

Bug#880014: #880014: Call for Votes for new TC member

2017-12-26 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
I call for votes on the following ballot to fill a vacant seat in the TC. The voting period starts immediately and lasts for up to one week, or until the outcome is no longer in doubt (§6.3.1). ===BEGIN The Technical Committee recommends that Gunnar Wolf be appointed by the Debian Project Leade

Dec 2017 TC meeting is at 'Wed Dec 20 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-12-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening on Wednesday: date -d 'Wed Dec 20 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The agenda is not short; we have 4 issues on our hands. Looking forward to a productive meeting! Cheers, OdyX signature.asc

Bug#883573: Reevaluate libpam-systemd systemd-sysv dependency ordering (746578)

2017-12-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi Julian, Le mardi, 5 décembre 2017, 12.26:43 h CET Julian Andres Klode a écrit : > In 746578, the CTTE decided that the dependency be swapped > to systemd-shim | systemd-sysv in order to prevent systems > from being upgraded installing systemd. > > (…) > > I thus opened bug 883569 against syst

Re: TC nomination procedure v0

2017-12-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 30 novembre 2017, 14.03:15 h CET Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 10:48:25AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote: > > My rationale is that the private "vote" isn't a vote on the appointment, > > it's a vote to figure out whether the future appointment vote will have > > consensu

Re: TC nomination procedure v0

2017-12-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 28 novembre 2017, 14.26:05 h CET Sean Whitton a écrit : > On Tue, Nov 28 2017, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > - The TC *does not* make the number of nominees or number of > > accepted nominations public. > > I'm curious to here the thinkin

TC nomination procedure v0

2017-11-28 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear TC, dear Project members, I have finally finished drafting the "Nominations to the Technical Commitee" procedure. The point of it is to document current practice, and create a basis for discussion. It also outlines what is made public and when. I welcome any direct formatting or phrasing cha

Re: Let's Stop Getting Torn Apart by Disagreement: Concerns about the Technical Committee

2017-11-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 4 novembre 2017, 01.39:31 h CET Scott Kitterman a écrit : > On November 3, 2017 9:09:31 PM EDT, Sam Hartman wrote: > > I think that Debian does need a decision making body of last resort. > > I personally think these communication skills are critical for such a > > body. > > One critic

Bug#877024: Modemmanager probing of unknown Devices

2017-11-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 30 octobre 2017, 14.06:01 h CET Ian Jackson a écrit : > I can see why the TC might want to avoid making a final ruling without > proper input from the maintainers. > But, should I upload to experimental, and later, to sid, as I have > proposed ? It's not quite clear whose permission I n

Bug#880014: Call for (self-)nominations for a Technical Committee seat

2017-10-28 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear Debian Contributors, Our Constitution imposes an expiry on Technical Committee terms, and it's that time of the year again: Keith Packard 's term will expire on December 31st 2017. The Technical Committee would like to thank Keith for serving since November 2013, in addition to all the oth

Bug#880014: 2018 - New TC member

2017-10-28 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Package: tech-ctte User: tech-c...@packages.debian.org According to our Constitution's §6.2, Keith's term will expire at the end of this year, freeing one seat on the TC from January 1st 2018 on. This bug will track that process.

Oct 2017 TC meeting is at 'Wed Oct 18 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-10-16 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening tomorrow: date -d 'Wed Oct 18 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The agenda is short, and updated in git. Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Bug#862051: nodejs (6.11.2~dfsg-1) experimental; urgency=medium

2017-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 31 août 2017, 13.58:23 h CEST Thorsten Glaser a écrit : > Do not drop it before *after* the next release, so people have, > at the very least, one full release of time to switch their > scripts in a way that works with both the old and new names > *first*, gradually. They have Stretch fo

Bug#862051: nodejs (6.11.2~dfsg-1) experimental; urgency=medium

2017-08-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 31 août 2017, 12.25:50 h CEST Ian Jackson a écrit : > Philip Hands writes ("Bug#862051: nodejs (6.11.2~dfsg-1) experimental; urgency=medium"): > > I guess that one could do something like moving the symlink into another > > -legacy style package, and recomend that from the main package f

Bug#862051: nodejs (6.11.2~dfsg-1) experimental; urgency=medium

2017-08-29 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 29 août 2017, 17.46:22 h CEST Thorsten Glaser a écrit : > Leave /usr/bin/nodejs there for at least one more release. I'll just note for the purpose of the TC discussion that as of nodejs 6.11.2~dfsg-3 (the version currently in unstable) , the /usr/bin/nodejs → node symlink still exists

Bug#862051: nodejs (6.11.2~dfsg-1) experimental; urgency=medium

2017-08-29 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 29 août 2017, 12.32:19 h CEST Sam Hartman a écrit : > > "Thorsten" == Thorsten Glaser writes: > Thorsten> Hi, > > >> * Restore /usr/bin/node following CTTE #862051 Let's try to drop > >> /usr/bin/nodejs before buster. Replaces and Conflicts > >> nodejs-legacy. Clos

Re: Agust 2017 TC meeting is at 'Wed Aug 16 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-08-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 18 août 2017, 08.40:46 h CEST Niko Tyni a écrit : > Oh, no worries. Thanks for handling the bug! If you have longer thoughts about that issue, please send them to the bug. As we aren't voting on them anyway, they provide good value for the community. Cheers, OdyX signature.asc

Agust 2017 TC meeting is at 'Wed Aug 16 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-08-16 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening tonight: date -d 'Wed Aug 16 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org I won't be able to attend, unfortunately. I suggest that as we just had DebConf, we could cancel this one. On my list anyway: * https://bu

DebConf17 TC BoF and meeting

2017-08-06 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi there, as you know from the DebConf17 schedule, the 'Meet the TC' BoF is scheduled monday evening at 17:00 local time in room Rex. I've prepared some slides: https://reveal.odyx.org/Debian/201708-Meet-the-Debian-TC.html https://reveal.odyx.org/Debian/201708-Meet-the-Debian-TC

Re: Bug#839172: TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet

2017-08-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 3 août 2017, 08.53:09 h CEST Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > Le mardi, 1 août 2017, 11.01:10 h CEST Sean Whitton a écrit : > > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 02:55:31PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > We also approved the decision that packages should not include

Bug#839172: TC decision regarding #741573 menu policy not reflected yet

2017-08-02 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Control: reassign -1 debian-policy 4.0.0.4 Control: affects -1 + tech-ctte Hi Sean, Le mardi, 1 août 2017, 11.01:10 h CEST Sean Whitton a écrit : > On Thu, Sep 29, 2016 at 02:55:31PM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote: > > We also approved the decision that packages should not include both a > > menu file

Bug#862051: Call for vote on allowing nodejs to provide /usr/bin/node

2017-07-31 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 29 juillet 2017, 22.05:34 h CEST Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : > === Resolution === > > The Technical Committee recognises that circumstances change in ways > that make previous resolutions no longer appropriate. In 2012, it was > resolved that the nodejs package should not provide /usr/bi

Bug#862051: Allow nodejs to provide /usr/bin/node (draft resolution)

2017-07-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 19 juillet 2017, 21.35:33 h CEST Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : > === DRAFT Resolution v2 === > > The Technical Committee recognises that circumstances change in ways > that make previous resolutions no longer appropriate. In 2012, it was > resolved that the nodejs package should not prov

July 2017 TC meeting is at 'Wed Jul 19 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-07-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening in two days: date -d 'Wed Jul 19 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The agenda was updated accordingly in git; please make any necessary changes or additions. Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Descri

Bug#865485: Voting for TC Chair

2017-06-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 21 juin 2017, 22.21:57 h CEST Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN=== > > The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: > > A: Keith Packard > B: Didier Raboud > C: Tollef Fog Heen > D: Sam Hartman > E: Phil Hands > F: Marg

Bug#865485: Voting for TC Chair

2017-06-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Package: tech-ctte Severity: normal Dear TC members, With the appointment of Niko to the TC and according to our current procedures¹, I am hereby announcing my immediate vacation of the chair position, triggering a new election. For clarity of the process, I am interested to continue serving a

Re: Technical committee appointment

2017-06-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi there Niko, Le mercredi, 21 juin 2017, 15.06:33 h CEST Chris Lamb a écrit : > I am very happy to follow this recommendation and hereby appoint Niko Tyni > (ntyni) to he Committee effective immediately. Congratulations, and welcome! There are two things you need to know now: * we have an intro

Re: Bug#836127: Call for Votes for new TC member

2017-06-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
> ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee recommends that Niko Tyni be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > N: Recommend to Appoint Niko Tyni > F: Further Discussion > ===END With six votes in favour and a week gone, the result of this vote is now longer in doubt

June 2017 TC meeting is at 'Wed June 21 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-06-19 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening tomorrow: date -d 'Wed June 21 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The agenda was updated accordingly in git; please make any necessary changes or additions. Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Descript

Bug#836127: Call for Votes for new TC member

2017-06-13 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 13 juin 2017, 20.08:38 h CEST Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN > The Technical Committee recommends that Niko Tyni be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > N: Recommend to Appoint Niko Tyni > F: Further

Bug#836127: Call for Votes for new TC member

2017-06-13 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
I call for votes on the following ballot to fill a vacant seat in the TC. The voting period starts immediately and lasts for up to one week, or until the outcome is no longer in doubt (§6.3.1). ===BEGIN The Technical Committee recommends that Niko Tyni be appointed by the Debian Project Leader

Re: Bug#862051: Refer #862051 to ctte (WAS: nodejs-legacy: possibly drop this package, now that ax25-node has been removed?)

2017-05-27 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 19 mai 2017, 11.05:28 h CEST Margarita Manterola a écrit : > This, compounded with the fact that the old node will be gone in stretch, > means that it makes sense for nodejs to become node. > > Does anyone think differently? I concur with your analysis; thank you for getting through

May 2017 TC meeting is at 'Wed May 17 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-05-16 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The monthly Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening tomorrow: date -d 'Wed May 17 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The agenda was updated accordingly in git; please make any necessary changes or additions. Cheers, OdyX signature.asc Descripti

Next TC nomination

2017-04-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear all, during its last IRC meeting [0], the TC agreed to attempt to fill the currently remaining TC seat with the people already nominated in the previous round. In other words, we are not currently looking for new nominations. That said, a new TC seat will become available at the end of 201

Bug#860520: Voting for TC Chair

2017-04-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 18 avril 2017, 08.58:03 h CEST Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > ===BEGIN=== > > The chair of the Debian Technical Committee will be: > > A: Keith Packard > B: Didier Raboud > C: Tollef Fog Heen > D: Sam Hartman > E: Phil Hands > F: Margarita

Bug#860520: Voting for TC Chair

2017-04-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Package: tech-ctte Severity: normal Dear TC members, With the appointment of David to the TC and according to our current procedures¹, I am hereby announcing my immediate vacation of the chair position, triggering a new election. For clarity of the process, I am interested to continue serving

Bug#836127: Call for Votes for new CTTE Member

2017-04-03 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le lundi, 3 avril 2017, 20.15:46 h CEST Philip Hands a écrit : > ===BEGIN > > The Technical Committee recommends that David Bremner be > appointed by the Debian Project Leader to the Technical Committee. > > A: Recommend to Appoint David Bremner > B: Further Discussion > > ===END I vote A > B

Re: No TC Chair election yet

2017-04-03 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear TC, Le mercredi, 4 janvier 2017, 11.17:47 h CEST Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > We have this in our procedures: > > Re-appointment of chair after membership change > > > > When new members are appointed to the CTTE or within three months of a > >

March 2017 TC meeting is tonight at 'Wed Mar 15 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-03-15 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The March Debian Technical Committee Meeting is happening tonight, sorry for reminding us of that so late. date -d 'Wed Mar 15 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The agenda was updated accordingly in git; please make any necessary changes. I'm unfortunately unl

Re: February 2017 TC meeting was yesterday

2017-02-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The meeting has now happened, and the meeting log and notes captured by the MeetBot are available on the MeetBot archive [0], and have been pushed to the TC's git repository [1]. Here come the summary. Meeting summary --- * Next Meetings? * AGREED: There seems to be consensus in fa

February 2017 TC meeting is tomorrow at 'Wed Feb 22 19:00:00 UTC 2017'

2017-02-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Sorry for the subject copy-paste fail. Hereby corrected. date -d 'Wed Feb 22 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org ^ That's correct. -- OdyX signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

February 2017 TC meeting is tomorrow at 'Thu Dec 22 18:00:00 UTC 2016'

2017-02-21 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The February Debian Technical Committee Meeting will happen tomorrow, sorry for reminding us of that so late. date -d 'Wed Feb 22 19:00:00 UTC 2017' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The agenda was updated accordingly in git; please make any necessary changes. For now, I suggest

Bug#846002: Call for votes on resolution for #846002 (blends-tasks)

2017-02-01 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
> RESOLUTION > > Background > > The blends-tasks package was uploaded in April 2016 setting its priority to > important. The result of this change was that the package started getting > automatically installed by debootstrap, with the intended effect of causing > the list of tasks ship

Bug#850887: [TIMELY for TC members] Interim Ballot Proposal: #850887 binutils mips

2017-01-12 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 11 janvier 2017, 22.38:33 h CET Sam Hartman a écrit : > I heard back from doko today. We can expect a reply tomorrow. We also > talked briefly about the issue. Good. Thanks for this work. > Realistically, i cannot imagine the TC coming to any final decision on > something like this

Bug#850967: Clarify /usr/bin/foo should not be hardcoded even in upstream parts

2017-01-11 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear Ian, while I see where you come from, and can empathize with some of your points, I think that Daniel's following of upstream practices in using full paths is both fairly common, and a valid practice in Debian Packages. Le mercredi, 11 janvier 2017, 17.13:44 h CET Ian Jackson a écrit : > I

No TC Chair election yet

2017-01-04 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Dear TC, We have this in our procedures: > Re-appointment of chair after membership change > > When new members are appointed to the CTTE or within three months of a > member resigning from the CTTE, the current chairperson should > announce their intention to vacate the position within two weeks

Re: December 2016 TC meeting is at 'Thu Dec 22 18:00:00 UTC 2016'

2016-12-22 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mardi, 20 décembre 2016, 09.34:07 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > Reminder: this is in two days @18:00 UTC. The meeting is tonight, but I have a schedule clash with a family event, unfortunately. I'll try to follow on my mobile, but can't promise full availabi

Re: December 2016 TC meeting is at 'Thu Dec 22 18:00:00 UTC 2016'

2016-12-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Reminder: this is in two days @18:00 UTC. I've updated the agenda with the current TC topics. Le vendredi, 9 décembre 2016, 13.25:08 h CET Didier 'OdyX' Raboud a écrit : > The December Debian Technical Committee Meeting will happen at > > date -d '

Bug#841294: Overrule maitainer of "global" to package a new upstream version

2016-12-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 9 décembre 2016, 15.03:14 h CET Colin Watson a écrit : > On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 08:58:10AM -0500, Sam Hartman wrote: > > However, the time at which Debian has last synced with upstream does > > matter. > > Six years is a long time. > > Moreover, I believe that the standard you've used

Bug#841294: global maintainer : Draft ballot

2016-12-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
With the precious help of Phil and Sam, here comes a draft ballot. It is attached to this mail, and has been committed to the TC's git repository [0]. It contains the following ballot options: > - Option A - Reaffirm Ron Lee as 'global' maintainer (§6.1.2) > - Option B - Declare Wookey as 'global

December 2016 TC meeting is at 'Thu Dec 22 18:00:00 UTC 2016'

2016-12-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
The December Debian Technical Committee Meeting will happen at date -d 'Thu Dec 22 18:00:00 UTC 2016' in #debian-ctte on irc.debian.org The meetings.ics file [0] and the agenda were updated accordingly in git; please make any necessary changes. The meeting poll has also been upda

Bug#841294: Overrule maitainer of "global" to package a new upstream version

2016-12-09 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 9 décembre 2016, 04.55:20 h CET Ron a écrit : > > If you haven't yet, I urge you to use our standard interface to report > > such > > bugs; please make sure issues like this one are public on our bugtracker, > > with correct found/notfound version markers. > > Do you really want entri

Bug#841294: Overrule maitainer of "global" to package a new upstream version

2016-12-08 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 8 décembre 2016, 18.14:12 h CET Tollef Fog Heen a écrit : > Using open like in the code snippet above is pretty much inexcusable in > this day and age. Fair enough, thanks for the explanation. Ron: could you point us to your report of this problem to the upstream bugtracker or list? Wh

Bug#841294: Overrule maitainer of "global" to package a new upstream version

2016-12-08 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Just commenting to some specific points as, despite an explicit request, you have failed (and spectacularly so) to provide brief answers. That's not helping a quick and clear path towards resolution. Le jeudi, 8 décembre 2016, 23.32:44 h CET Ron a écrit : > On Mon, Dec 05, 2016 at 10:13:05PM +01

Bug#846002: blends-tasks must not be priority:important (was Re: Bug#846002: Lowering severity)

2016-12-06 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
With my Debian Printing Team member hat: Le mardi, 6 décembre 2016, 10.18:23 h CET Philip Hands a écrit : > What is a print server? (CUPS) web server? (apache2) The "print server" entry in tasksel should be rethought, as it nowadays only depends on CUPS, and recommends various helper drivers &

Re: Maintainership

2016-12-05 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 2 décembre 2016, 16.00:36 h CET Ian Jackson a écrit : > On debian-project I posted a suggestion in respose to Zach in the > thread about maintaintainership. See below. I've answered to parts of the debian-project thread. > Do the TC think a resolution such as that below would pass ?

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