Ian Jackson writes (Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal):
So, I hereby formally propose the resolution text below. I intend to
call for votes some time tomorrow.
Thanks again to Josh for all his careful and constructive
interventions in the discussion. I'm glad to see
On Wed, 5 Nov 2014 11:49:45 + Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal):
So, I hereby formally propose the resolution text below. I intend to
call for votes some time tomorrow.
Thanks again
On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 08:42:07 -0500 Sam Hartman hartm...@debian.org wrote:
I don't think this matters for the vote, and apologies because there's
probably a better place to send this advice. I was thinking last night
about the apt and debootstrap resolver issues and was wondering whether
the
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 07:47:05AM +0100, Christian Seiler wrote:
Am 02.11.2014 06:59, schrieb Josh Triplett:
Apart from that, I would still request that someone with the ability to
produce a modified local mirror test the two critical cases mentioned in
Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org writes:
This result concerns me greatly, and I think the technical committee
should take this into account when considering whether to flip the
dependencies of libpam-systemd around.
So, this came up before, and I believe that systemd-shim is not supposed
I've been reading the messages from Josh about cgmanager etc., and
they haven't changed my mind about the need to flip these
dependencies. If other bugs in systemd-ship or cgmanager turn up,
they should be fixed. We have time to do that. And I am not opposed
to further `safety' changes to
Am 04.11.2014 17:07, schrieb Josh Triplett:
This isn't a complete showstopper, since most of the time people seem to
debootstrap a standard system and then install additional packages.
However, it would affect a debootstrap with --include=task-desktop or
--include=gnome or similar.
Just as a
On Tue, Nov 04, 2014 at 08:17:52PM +0100, Christian Seiler wrote:
Am 04.11.2014 17:07, schrieb Josh Triplett:
This isn't a complete showstopper, since most of the time people seem to
debootstrap a standard system and then install additional packages.
However, it would affect a debootstrap
josh == josh j...@joshtriplett.org writes:
josh I wouldn't necessarily suggest using this as an argument
josh against the proposed resolution. Instead, I'd recommend
josh making sure that cgmanager is just as harmless under systemd
josh as systemd-shim 8-4 currently is, by
On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 17:54:53 + Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:
I've been reading the messages from Josh about cgmanager etc., and
[snip]
Actually, I'd like to completely withdraw my concerns there, in light of
some new information.
Quoting Serge Hallyn, maintainer of
Am 02.11.2014 06:59, schrieb Josh Triplett:
Apart from that, I would still request that someone with the ability to
produce a modified local mirror test the two critical cases mentioned in
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=746578#129 . If those
two cases work, then systemd
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 18:55:32 + Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:
Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)):
1. Currently libpam-systemd (which is pulled in by quite a few
dependency chains) Depends on `systemd-sysv | systemd-shim'.
Here, you give the simplified dependency
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:26:14 -0700 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
So, this is also the last call for anyone to explain what harmful effect
this could have if they think it would have a harmful effect. My
understanding is that all of the possible harmful effects have been fixed
by various
On Sat, 1 Nov 2014 22:59:09 -0700 Josh Triplett j...@joshtriplett.org wrote:
On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 12:26:14 -0700 Russ Allbery r...@debian.org wrote:
So, this is also the last call for anyone to explain what harmful effect
this could have if they think it would have a harmful effect. My
Thanks for your review. I appreciate the attention to detail.
Josh Triplett writes (Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal):
Here, you give the simplified dependency without the version constraint,
while below you give the full Depends with version constraint. Please
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal):
Here is my draft, just committed to git. I'm open to suggestions for
changes. If we can't agree on the rationale I guess we could leave it
out.
Josh Triplette produced a helpful detailed review. Here
On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:19:45 + Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk
wrote:
Ian Jackson writes (Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal):
Here is my draft, just committed to git. I'm open to suggestions for
changes. If we can't agree on the rationale I guess
Josh Triplett writes (Bug#746578: libpam-systemd to flip dependencies -
proposal):
On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:19:45 + Ian Jackson
ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
Josh Triplette produced a helpful detailed review. Here is the
revised draft.
s/Triplette/Triplett/ :)
Glerk. Sorry
Here is my draft, just committed to git. I'm open to suggestions for
changes. If we can't agree on the rationale I guess we could leave it
out.
Ian.
Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)):
1. Currently libpam-systemd (which is pulled in by quite a few
dependency chains) Depends on `systemd-sysv
Ian Jackson ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk writes:
Rationale (Constitution 6.1(5)):
1. Currently libpam-systemd (which is pulled in by quite a few
dependency chains) Depends on `systemd-sysv | systemd-shim'.
2. The effect of this is that installing certain leaf packages which
depend
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