Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Joseph Carter
It has come to my attention that recent decisions made by the Linux Standard Base body (I hesitate to say committee as I have never been party to any of their internal discussions and am unaware of their internal organizational structrure) are possibly unwise and have been determined by at least a

Debian Weekly News - 12 to 18 Jan 1999

1999-01-19 Thread Joey Hess
[ Also available on the web at http://www.debian.org/~joeyh/weeklynews/ ] Debian Weekly News - 12 to 18 Jan 1999 Welcome to the third edition Debian Weekly News, a newsletter for the Debian developer community. Overall it's been a

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-19 Thread Michael Bramer
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 11:29:40PM +0100, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: Christian Weisgerber wrote: Because we, the organizers of LinuxTag '99, would like to invite the Debian project to set up a booth at this year's event. Several major Linux distributions will be there: SuSE, DLD,

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Craig, I get the impression that my objectivity is being misinterpreted again. IMHO, the idea that developer's should agree with the DSFG and/or the social contract in their entirety is dangerous and will only hinder Debian. I don't agree with all of Debian's policies, nor should I have to.

intent to package: tdtd, cdlabelgen, projex

1999-01-19 Thread Adam Di Carlo
tdtd is an emacs lisp mode for editing DTDs, from Tony Graham. URL:ftp://ftp.mulberrytech.com/pub/tdtd/ cdlabelgen is a small program to simplify the process of generating labels for CD-ROMs. It was created by a friend and co-worked, Brian Fitzpatrick, so even though I don't really use this

Re: libpng gnome slink

1999-01-19 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Brian Almeida wrote: Stephen Crowley (aka Crow-) is. Euh, isn't Jim Pick going to package the new GNOME as well? Wichert. -- == This combination of bytes forms a message written to you by Wichert

Re: libpng gnome slink

1999-01-19 Thread Havoc Pennington
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Stephen Crowley wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 09:14:14AM -0500, Brian Almeida wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 03:03:26PM +0100, Sven LUTHER wrote: and how the unfortunate of us who already have upgraded to 1.0.2 can downgrade, i see the 1.0.1 package nowhere ...

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-19 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Christian Weisgerber wrote: The largest German Linux user show. In fact, it is probably the largest Linux event in Europe. (If there is a larger one, we haven't heard of it.) Last year there were an estimated 1500 visitors. URL:http://www.linuxtag.org/. End of June.. sounds like

glibconfig.h (was Re: FWD: RMS and Debian on his Toshiba)

1999-01-19 Thread Raja R Harinath
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Forwarded message from Jonathan Buzzard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:49:13 + From: Jonathan Buzzard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RMS and Debian on his Toshiba [snip] JAB. PS. Gtk-devel is broken in Hamm/Slink and Potato, there

glibconfig.h (was Re: FWD: RMS and Debian on his Toshiba)

1999-01-19 Thread Raja R Harinath
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -- Forwarded message from Jonathan Buzzard [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 11:49:13 + From: Jonathan Buzzard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RMS and Debian on his Toshiba [snip] JAB. PS. Gtk-devel is broken in Hamm/Slink and Potato, there

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 06:19:46PM -0600, Ossama Othman wrote: I get the impression that my objectivity is being misinterpreted again. IMHO, the idea that developer's should agree with the DSFG and/or the social contract in their entirety is dangerous and will only hinder Debian. I don't agree

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Anthony, But you should agree with our social contract, right? That is, after all, what the point of a social contract /is/, isn't it? That we'll all abide by it? Agreeing and abiding aren't the same thing. A developer may not agree with the social contract but s/he should certainly abide

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Brian Mays
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ossama Othman) wrote: If used properly, diversity of opinion should only help Debian. With all due respect, if you think that there is no diversity of opinion in Debian, then you haven't been around here for very long. Those with opinions that differ from the mainstream

Re: what about Pine's license?

1999-01-19 Thread Rafael Kitover
While the pine license is evil, true. I have a suggestion for the way pine packages are currently made. The process of installing pine currently is, apt-get install pine396-src apt-get install pine396-diffs cd /usr/src/pine read the README dpkg-source -x pine*dsc cd pine*;debian/rules binary see

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi Brian, If used properly, diversity of opinion should only help Debian. With all due respect, if you think that there is no diversity of opinion in Debian, then you haven't been around here for very long. I was referring to the fact that many of the developers strongly felt that I should

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Ossama Othman
Hi, I wrote: I was referring specifically to Craig. Rather I was referring to some of Sorry, that should have been I was NOT referring specifically to Craig. Boy am I going to hear it for this foul up! :)

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Brian Mays
I ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: With all due respect, if you think that there is no diversity of opinion in Debian, then you haven't been around here for very long. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ossama Othman) responded: I was referring to the fact that many of the developers strongly felt that I

Re: libpng gnome slink

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Havoc Pennington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Stephen Crowley wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 09:14:14AM -0500, Brian Almeida wrote: On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 03:03:26PM +0100, Sven LUTHER wrote: and how the unfortunate of us who already have upgraded to 1.0.2 can

LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
Hey all, I just noticed that there was a LSB test spec on freshmeat, ftp://ftp.xopen.org/pub/lsb/test/ and in particular ftp://ftp.xopen.org/pub/lsb/test/LSB-FHS-TS_SPEC_V1.0 It contains many interesting things that I know we disagree with. Someone should look at it perhaps? Jason

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Jan 18, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: It contains many interesting things that I know we disagree with. Someone should look at it perhaps? Among the interesting things: The closing date for comments is January 11th 1999. Nice that it was announced today then :-) *** Reference 3.4-2(A) The

Re: make mutt the `standard' mail reader

1999-01-19 Thread Chris Leishman
On Sat, Jan 16, 1999 at 10:26:06PM +1100, Craig Sanders wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 1999 at 02:36:47AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: On Sat, Jan 16, 1999 at 06:10:09PM +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: Well, maybe. I find config menus to be infuriating. elm's config files don't seem to have an

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Robert Woodcock
Chris Lawrence wrote: Nice to see the Open Group and X/Open are going to send us chasing our tails trying to get this stuff together (so we can call our Linux implementations Linux :-p) instead of pursuing Unix branding. Indeed. I thought LSB was going to be an Application Environment

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Darren Benham
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 19-Jan-99 Ossama Othman wrote: My concern is that Debian is becoming (almost) elitist. Some people are flat out saying conform or get out, in a sense. Is this really a healthy attitude for Debian to have? I am not trying to create some sort of Debian

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Anthony Towns
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 06:09:45AM -, Robert Woodcock wrote: Indeed. I thought LSB was going to be an Application Environment specification - so that apps developed on one distribution would run on all the others. If that's still the case, I wanna know WTF they are thinking/smoking,

Re: agreeing with the DFSG (was Re: non-free -- non-dfsg)

1999-01-19 Thread Darren Benham
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 19-Jan-99 Anthony Towns wrote: Agreeing with the DFSG in a fairly important part of that -- our major aim is to produce a free system, and if we can't even agree on what that means then we're not going to get *anywhere*. Not necessarily. Agreeing to

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Joseph Carter
It has come to my attention that recent decisions made by the Linux Standard Base body (I hesitate to say committee as I have never been party to any of their internal discussions and am unaware of their internal organizational structrure) are possibly unwise and have been determined by at least a

Re: Developers in Cali...

1999-01-19 Thread Aaron Van Couwenberghe
On Mon, Jan 04, 1999 at 10:10:06AM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- OK, in the past week or so I've seen several people posting from California. Has anyone thought of having a gathering in some semi-central location? Get to know faces, sign keys, etc? I

Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Hi, Soon, I'm going to upload a cygnus-stylesheets package. It's basically the same thing as the docbook-stylesheets package, but it has some modifications and additional hacks that Mark Galassi has added. This package is based on the same source as what the Red Hat people are using. The

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Adam Di Carlo
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Soon, I'm going to upload a cygnus-stylesheets package. It's basically the same thing as the docbook-stylesheets package, but it has some modifications and additional hacks that Mark Galassi has added. This package is based on the same source as what the

Re: Developers in Cali...

1999-01-19 Thread Joey Hess
Aaron Van Couwenberghe wrote: OK, in the past week or so I've seen several people posting from California. Has anyone thought of having a gathering in some semi-central location? Get to know faces, sign keys, etc? I would be interested. If a convenient day were picked and the meeting

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Soon, I'm going to upload a cygnus-stylesheets package. It's basically the same thing as the docbook-stylesheets package, but it has some modifications and additional hacks that Mark Galassi has added. This

Re: Intent to package: daemontools (and cdb)

1999-01-19 Thread Tommi Virtanen
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 07:06:21PM +, Edward Betts wrote: According to the README in the CDB archive, the CDB C source is public domain, so if you strip out the docs, etc. you could put it in main. Yes. But as that doesn't cover even the manpages, or pedantically even the

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Adam Di Carlo
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I thought they needed this db2* scriptage. The db2* scripts kinda suck if you ask me (and not comment from upstream on my specific technical arguments why they suck) but I'm happy to include them. Please just

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Essentially, Cygnus has forked the code. Huh. That might be a bit strong - I haven't really looked into the differences in depth. They are being maintained separately, and they are tracking Norm Walsh's stuff. I understand that Gnome needs db2*

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Olivier Tharan
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 06:09:45AM -, Robert Woodcock wrote: P.S.: From where is /bin/domainname standard? I can see it's purpose in an app env standard, so I'm curious... It comes from the FHS. domainname, hostname, ping, netstat are the network commands suitable for /bin, as they will be

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Adam Di Carlo
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand that Gnome needs db2* scripts... why do they need the Cygnus stylesheets? They use them internally at Cygnus for their documentation. They are unsupported for outside use. Don't ask me why Gnome

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand that Gnome needs db2* scripts... why do they need the Cygnus stylesheets? They use them internally at Cygnus for their documentation. They are

Re: looking for new italian translation coordinator

1999-01-19 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Hi, I translate the news and post it on the italian usenet groups. I had some problems coordinating to put the translated news on the web... anyway, what is the workload for the coordinator? I'll have some more time from the next week and I can step in if nobody wants it. Ciao, Federico On

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Adam Di Carlo
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Essentially, Cygnus has forked the code. Huh. That might be a bit strong - I haven't really looked into the differences in depth. They are being maintained separately, and they are tracking Norm Walsh's stuff.

Re: Intent to package cygnus-stylesheets

1999-01-19 Thread Jim Pick
Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: Adam Di Carlo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Essentially, Cygnus has forked the code. Huh. That might be a bit strong - I haven't really looked into the differences in depth. They are being maintained

Your Stealth Mail Bomber

1999-01-19 Thread brianc
WARNING: THIS IS REAL !! Pass This Up Lightly And You'll Be Making One Of The Most Grave Mistakes Of Your Life FREE-- FREE-- FREE--- FREE- Stealth Mail Bomber unlocked No Registration Required Retails for $300 and up This Bulk e-mail software will

Re: Communicator - Xserver problem

1999-01-19 Thread Jonas Rathert
On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, Rainer Dorsch wrote: Starting mozilla (the navigator) brings up the navigator and all buttons in the toolbar are black instead of green. But this is really the only color problem I obsered (gimp startup looks good, xv startup looks good, and even the pages loaded

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Robert Woodcock ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): P.S.: From where is /bin/domainname standard? I can see it's purpose in an app env standard, so I'm curious... NIS/yp. You'll find it in the nis package. Mike Stone

Re: Your Stealth Mail Bomber

1999-01-19 Thread Zephaniah E, Hull
Well, I think its time that we start trying to truly enforce our spam policy... On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 02:56:40AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip 90 days for a complete refund. On that basis, I have enclosed $20.00 . (Total $20.00 U.S.) Hmm, thats a start, but I don't see the money..

Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Brian White
Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze After considerable delay, Slink is almost ready for release. As such, it will go into the deep freeze on Wednesday, January 20th. New uploads will be _greatly_ restricted. Also, the following packages will be removed because of

Re: what about Pine's license?

1999-01-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Rafael Kitover wrote: While the pine license is evil, true. I have a suggestion for the way pine packages are currently made. The process of installing pine currently is, apt-get install pine396-src apt-get install pine396-diffs cd /usr/src/pine read the README

Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Eduardo Marcel Macan
We seem to have a ever-standing bug against postgresql saying we cannot have a user called www-data accessing databases (postgresql complains about the '-' in the name, it looks like it is not a valid char for postgresql usernames at all). Since I have been making kludges in several

Re: what about Pine's license?

1999-01-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Bruce Sass wrote: Why does non-free == no modified binaries? Because modifiability, specificly the right to distribute modified binaries, is a DFSG requirement. Well, I would better say: The right to distribute modified

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Brian White wrote: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze After considerable delay, Slink is almost ready for release. As such, it will go into the deep freeze on Wednesday, January 20th. Brian, will you please consider to do a ftp.debian.org bug hunting

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-19 Thread Christian Weisgerber
Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of June.. sounds like I'll be able to be there. Does anyone know any cheap places to stay for a couple of days in the neighborhood? Check out URL:http://www.linuxtag.org/hotels.html. (Wichert, I trust you can read German?) If possible it might be

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Brian White wrote: After considerable delay, Slink is almost ready for release. As such, it will go into the deep freeze on Wednesday, January 20th. New uploads will be _greatly_ restricted. Also, the following packages will be removed because of release-critical bugs still open

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Oliver Elphick
Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: We seem to have a ever-standing bug against postgresql saying we cannot have a user called www-data accessing databases (postgresql complains about the '-' in the name, it looks like it is not a valid char for postgresql usernames at all). It is possible

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Joseph Carter wrote: Reasonable objection notwithstanding, I intend to write a letter to those responsible for the LSB to attempt to raise the issues we have with their current proposal. I would appreciate discussion on these issues in other parts of this thread. If

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Joel Klecker
At 23:31 -0600 1999-01-18, Chris Lawrence wrote: *** Reference 3.4-2(A) The implementation provides the file /etc/adjtime Result: PASS/FAIL This is an Intel-ism. adjtimex does not exist for several non-X86 platforms. I disagree, that file is also used by clock/hwclock (depending on architecture)

Re: Debian appears to be ancient

1999-01-19 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Ben Pfaff wrote: No such file appears in my copy of Content-i386 from 28 Dec 1998. Where are you getting it from? Duh, I had the directory wrong, the correct dictory is /usr/doc/copyright/base. dpkg -S can't see where it is coming from though. The contents is also weird. Look at its

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-19 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 03:54:55PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of June.. sounds like I'll be able to be there. Does anyone know any cheap places to stay for a couple of days in the neighborhood? I am thinking about being there (I'll come

cracklib-runtime NMU

1999-01-19 Thread Robert Woodcock
Just wanted to let you know that tonight I plan to recreate the cracklib-runtime build scripts (with debhelper) since they seem to be missing a few things and also patch crack_packer so it produces no output on a successful run, then repackage the source so it extracts cleanly with dpkg-source -x.

No intend to package vbox

1999-01-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Hi, here at work we are going to use vbox. Since there is no Debian package already I wonder if somebody has interest in packaging it. I don't feel much interest but need for it so I would appreciate if s/o else would step forward. Regards, Joey -- orgatech - Ihr Partner in Sachen

Re: register_frame_info troubles

1999-01-19 Thread Douglas Bates
Ray == J H M Dassen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ray On Wed, Jan 13, 1999 at 09:07:59 +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: I'm currently creating a new upload of gaby, but lintian keeps complaining: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/todo/gaby-0.2.6$ lintian ../gaby_0.2.6-1_i386.deb E: gaby:

Re: No intend to package vbox

1999-01-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: Hi, here at work we are going to use vbox. Since there is no Debian package already I wonder if somebody has interest in packaging it. I don't feel much interest but need for it so I would appreciate if s/o else would step forward. As Ruud reminded me isdnutils

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Ean R . Schuessler
You can start by writing to our man on point with the LSB, Dale Scheetz. It is noteworthy, however, that Dale hasn't already commented in this thread. Are you still actively following the LSB, Dale? On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 10:51:03PM -0800, Joseph Carter wrote: It has come to my attention that

Intent to package rrlogind and rrdhcpd

1999-01-19 Thread Ivan E. Moore II
rrlogind and rrdhcpd are part (well all) of the RoadRunner tools for Linux. This allows a user of Time Warner's cable modem service to use Linux to connect. The rrlogind handles the authentication and the rrdhcpd handles the obtaining of the ip address. Ivan --

Re: Release-critical Bugreport for January 19, 1999

1999-01-19 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, BugScan reporter wrote: Bug stamp-out list for Jan 19 00:02 (CST) Total number of release-critical bugs: 50 Package: cracklib-runtime (main) Maintainer: Jean Pierre LeJacq [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27511 crack_packer outputs numbers to stdout

Re: cracklib-runtime NMU

1999-01-19 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Robert Woodcock wrote: Just wanted to let you know that tonight I plan to recreate the cracklib-runtime build scripts (with debhelper) since they seem to be missing a few things and also patch crack_packer so it produces no output on a successful run, then repackage the

Re: Bug#32068: multicd can't reinstall removed package

1999-01-19 Thread Andy Mortimer
Hi, Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] If you install a package (using dpkg -i foo.deb or dselect) dpkg modifies the record in the available file and replaces it with the proper record from the status file (guessed or experienced by Ruud). As a result of this the available file

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-19 Thread Philipp Frauenfelder
Hi, 26 and 27 of june is a weekend, right? I'd love to meet some developer IRL. I could lend you a helping hand (some sort of go-and-get-me) during the event, but no organising. End of June.. sounds like I'll be able to be there. Does anyone know any cheap places to stay for a couple of days

Re: Bug#32068: multicd can't reinstall removed package

1999-01-19 Thread Martin Schulze
Andy Mortimer wrote: Solution: multicd has to copy the Packages files into $methdir/multicd/ and access them directly instead of the available file. Since this needs a redesign of the installation method and I'm somewhat short with time I'd appreciate somebody sending me a proper

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: xbase 30852 X packages do not upgrade automatically due to name change. xdm 29360 xdm: Stopped X without warning/asking xlib6 31610 xlib6: requires gcc but declares no dependency (dpkg

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Brian White wrote: dpkg 17624 dpkg: installs regular dir when .deb contains symlink ! 21182 dpkg: dpkg can go into an infinite loop with --force-configure-any 28519 dpkg: dpkg creates circular symlinks

Re: what about Pine's license?

1999-01-19 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Bruce Sass wrote: On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Peter S Galbraith wrote: [1] ftp://ftp.cac.washington.edu/pine/docs/legal.txt Redistribution of this release is permitted as follows, or by mutual agreement: (a) In free-of-charge or at-cost distributions by non-profit concerns;

Re: what about Pine's license?

1999-01-19 Thread David Welton
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 01:40:39PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote: Pine doesn't want a company making money from Pine/Pico/Pilot... This makes it (paradoxically) non-free. There is no paradox, because we mean 'free' in the sense of liberty. -- David Welton

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread J. S. Connell
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: started to wonder... Where does the name www-data come from? IS there any argument against 'www' ? Or perhaps one might ask why Debian deviated from common practice in naming the httpd user www-data instead of httpd, like everyone else. --Jeff

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Brandon Mitchell wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Branden has a release candidate for X ready somewhere, and I urge everyone to test that! The site is: http://master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86/ Mmm, what about the needed compatibility packages?

France and Cryptography

1999-01-19 Thread Samuel Tardieu
FYI, the French Prime Minister just announced that cryptography will become legal in France! In the meantime (until our representatives adopt the law), the authorized key sizes go from 40 bits to 128 bits. Sam -- Samuel Tardieu -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

texinfo and texi2* in tetex-bin?

1999-01-19 Thread Lalo Martins
[#include not-subscribed-to-this-list-please-CC-replies.h] Oh boy! Cammon! Now I need to install 25M (tetex-bin~=10 + tetex-base~=15) just to compile texi files into html or info? No good. I hate tex and my HD is small. :-) I really think we should continue to provide separate texinfo and

Re: No intend to package vbox

1999-01-19 Thread Roland Rosenfeld
Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here at work we are going to use vbox. Since there is no Debian package already I wonder if somebody has interest in packaging it. I don't feel much interest but need for it so I would appreciate if s/o else would step forward. As Ruud reminded me

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Brandon Mitchell wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Wichert Akkerman wrote: Branden has a release candidate for X ready somewhere, and I urge everyone to test that! The site is: http://master.debian.org/~branden/xfree86/

Re: texinfo and texi2* in tetex-bin?

1999-01-19 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Lalo Martins wrote: [#include not-subscribed-to-this-list-please-CC-replies.h] Oh boy! Cammon! Now I need to install 25M (tetex-bin~=10 + tetex-base~=15) just to compile texi files into html or info? No good. I hate tex and my HD is small. :-) I really think we should continue to

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 11:15:39AM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe écrivait: Is anyone actually working on these? Should they really hold up the release? Wichert said, he will have a look. nonus.debian.org 21423 Dpkg-ftp can't handle alternative distributions This is important?? This bug is not

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Brandon Mitchell wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: Mmm, what about the needed compatibility packages? Will you have some time for this? I think it is absolutely essential for the success of Debian 2.1 that nobody will automagically lose

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Christopher C. Chimelis
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: wu-ftpd-academ30931 wu-ftpd-academ: Can't build from source! I have compiled wu-ftpd-academ from source on saens at least 10 times, I did not get the problems described in the bug. The problem seemed to be Alpha-related. I tried unsuccessfully to port the

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Rob Tillotson
Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: pilot-link31806 pilot-link: Can't build from source I just tried rebuilding pilot-link, after making the changes in debian/rules suggested in the BTS entry (changing all egcc to gcc), and could not reproduce the bug. I've never dealt with a bug in

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Brandon Mitchell wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: Mmm, what about the needed compatibility packages? Will you have some time for this? I think it is absolutely essential for the success of Debian

netstd split -- pseudo package for upgrades from hamm

1999-01-19 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Brandon == Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Santiago I think it is absolutely essential for the success of Santiago Debian 2.1 that nobody will automagically lose Santiago functionality in the upgrade process. Brandon Done in experimental changes file: * xbase is now a

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 08:04:32AM -0500, Brian White écrivait: fileutils 30184 fileutils: chown broken on symlinks This bug is for potato only. You should consider using Wichert's list of release critical bug... Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog 0C4CABF1

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Ean R . Schuessler wrote: You can start by writing to our man on point with the LSB, Dale Scheetz. Absolutely! It is noteworthy, however, that Dale hasn't already commented in this thread. Are you still actively following the LSB, Dale? That only has to do with the

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: [ ... ] Please, remember that we need also pseudopackages xfnt100, xfnt75, etc. Otherwise dselect will not select the new ones in favour of the old ones unless the user had some package which

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Jules Bean
On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Santiago Vila wrote: Surely not? Surely the Replace/Provide/Conflict combination will make dselect pick the new ones? I'm sorry but I'm afraid this is not the case. I hate to say this, but please read the packaging manual and/or the policy manual. I think you

Re: LSB?

1999-01-19 Thread Remco Blaakmeer
On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Chris Lawrence wrote: On Jan 18, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: It contains many interesting things that I know we disagree with. Someone should look at it perhaps? Among the interesting things: snip *** Reference 3.8-1(A) The /opt directory exists and is searchable

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 02:54:58PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: dpkg-dev 25537 dpkg-dev: dpkg-genchanges does not allow quot;-quot; in the architecture This is important for the Hurd only, and should be in Wicherts exception list. It is irrelevant for the slink release. Worst

Re: Debian booth at LinuxTag '99?

1999-01-19 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 10:32:03PM +0100, Christian Weisgerber wrote: What's this LinuxTag thing? The largest German Linux user show. When and where? June 26/27, 1999. University of Kaiserslautern, Germany. I think I can come, too. It's a weekend which is nice. I hope the youthhostel

Re: netstd split -- pseudo package for upgrades from hamm

1999-01-19 Thread Santiago Vila
On 19 Jan 1999, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Brandon == Brandon Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Santiago I think it is absolutely essential for the success of Santiago Debian 2.1 that nobody will automagically lose Santiago functionality in the upgrade process. Brandon Done

Re: orphaning chameleon (and a bit more)

1999-01-19 Thread Brian E. Ermovick
Ooh -- I like chameleon -- but I'll take a look at wallp before I officially post my intent to adopt chameleon -- perhaps I'll agree, and just let chameleon die. Of course, since I haven't posted intent to adopt yet -- anybody else who wants it can snatch it now :) on another subject --

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Christopher C. Chimelis
Rob Tillotson wrote: I just tried rebuilding pilot-link, after making the changes in debian/rules suggested in the BTS entry (changing all egcc to gcc), and could not reproduce the bug. The bug is really for potato and is Alpha-based (again). I'll look into this one now as well. It

Re: Debian v2.1 (Slink) Deep Freeze

1999-01-19 Thread Ben Collins
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 02:54:58PM +0100, Wichert Akkerman wrote: ftp.debian.org14898 courtney has problematic license 31282 upgrade-1386 directory in Incoming 31578 cfengine needs to be in frozen cfengine has been reuploaded for slink; this bug

Re: make mutt the `standard' mail reader

1999-01-19 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Mon, Jan 18, 1999 at 05:38:32PM +0200, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Sun, Jan 17, 1999 at 08:57:07PM -0500, Avery Pennarun wrote: The de-facto standard Internet tab size has always been 8 characters. Always? The 1982 standard for ARPANET¹ email (RFC 822) explicitly states in Section

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Johnie Ingram
Eduardo == Eduardo Marcel Macan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: EduardoSee, I am not suggesting that we change the username Eduardo to solve the postgres problem, this would solve this problem, Eduardo but not THE problem with postgres. I am just wondering why it Eduardo is not called just

Re: netstd split -- pseudo package for upgrades from hamm

1999-01-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 11:44:14AM -0800, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Now if we could only convince the netstd maintainer to make a pseudo-package for all his splits.. but he has told me he refuses to support upgrades for anything but dselect. :/ That's disappointing. Why will dselect handle it

Re: Where does 'www-data' come from?

1999-01-19 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 01:51:39PM -0500, J. S. Connell wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 1999, Eduardo Marcel Macan wrote: started to wonder... Where does the name www-data come from? IS there any argument against 'www' ? Or perhaps one might ask why Debian deviated from common practice in naming

packages.debian.org

1999-01-19 Thread Josip Rodin
On Tue, Jan 19, 1999 at 12:58:23PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: Server news this week: * The [22]bug tracking system has a new easy way to get to a given bug report. http://bugs.debian.org/foo will pull up the bug report for package foo; http://bugs.debian.org/ will pull

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