Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-14 Thread Noah Slater
discussion, and the document was getting more and more confused. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-14 Thread Noah Slater
progress along these lines. Standardisation is a necessarily formal process. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
to concern yourself with the discussion around the format. If the discussion bores you, delete the emails and stop worrying. If the final format is useless to you, don't use it. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
and hard to read. The copyright proposal is simple, and provides consistency. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
line again. The first line ignores every other reason given by the people wanting DEP 5. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
work. It's not an all or nothing situation. * [INSERT OTHER COOL IDEAS HERE] Even if these last points never happen, I will still use it because it's nice to have a clean, consistent format for this file. It helps me when I am editing, and it helps me when I am reviewing. Best, -- Noah Slater

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
in standardising it. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
that makes things hard for you? Ideally, we can work out a format the maximises the benefit for the everyone. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 01:41:26PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: Is there some particular thing you think I want that makes things hard for you? Well, you could restore the feature that was present in earlier versions of the draft that allowed

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-11 Thread Noah Slater
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 06:40:46PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: I think you have to go back most of the way to Sam's original proposal. Is there any reason a Comment field wouldn't suffice? Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-10 Thread Noah Slater
and I may combine the stanzas in to one. I'm not sure, but I think you can. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-10 Thread Noah Slater
legally relevant. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-10 Thread Noah Slater
to codify best practice in a format that is machine parseable. If best practice means that we don't list copyright statements in a legally meaningful way, then so be it. I was asking questions so that I could understand this particular use case. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: DEP-5: Please clarify the meaning of same licence and share copyright holders

2009-06-10 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 03:57:46PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: Does Debian only care about listing copyright holders, as opposed to reproducing legally meaningful copyright statements? If so, why not just list names here, excluding the word Copyright

Re: DEP 5 and directory/file names with spaces

2009-06-09 Thread Noah Slater
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 12:08:22AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: * List of space-separated pathnames indicating files that have the same licence and share copyright holders. Question marks indicate any character and asterisks indicate any string of characters. +1 -- Noah Slater, http

Re: DEP 5 and directory/file names with spaces

2009-06-08 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 11:14:04PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: space-and-commas: a, list of, files,that, contain, commas??or, spaces. What if I have commas, or and commas,,or as two separate files? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: DEP 5 and directory/file names with spaces

2009-06-08 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 04:41:40PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: So IMHO we must prefer understandable rules, like shell quotes, instead of new rules. +1 -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: DEP 5 and directory/file names with spaces

2009-06-07 Thread Noah Slater
because the csv module already handles this. Unfortunately, if I specified as the separator, I would have to quote filenames instead of escaping any spaces with a reverse solidus. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: DEP 5 and directory/file names with spaces

2009-06-07 Thread Noah Slater
think this demonstrates the one weakness of your argument. The kind of person who would be reading the source format of these files is not your average Windows user, nor your average Debian user. One of the ultimate goal is to parse this file and present via a GUI. Best, -- Noah Slater, http

Accepted couchdb 0.9.0-2 (source i386)

2009-05-11 Thread Noah Slater
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 11:26:55 +0400 Source: couchdb Binary: couchdb Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.0-2 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org Changed-By: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-29 Thread Noah Slater
) and some pointers to configuration for common MUAs. +1 -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-28 Thread Noah Slater
object to is removing the Reply-To header and then complaining about the consequences of that action. On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:56:02AM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: On 27 Apr 18:49, Noah Slater wrote: It's not user error, because I'm just doing what I've learnt to do. Erm - how's that not user

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-28 Thread Noah Slater
of person who treats email as an extension of your long-term memory, Sup is for you. Hmm, this looks very interesting! Thanks for tip Ben. Maybe sup will make it easier for me to reply to mailing lists properly! ;) -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 11:27:03AM +, Philipp Kern wrote: On 2009-04-26, Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST. Dude, chill out. Interestingly you did

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
to send a follow up. Don't make me think! Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
politely remind me. Instead, it fails because I'm human, lazy, and error prone. And it seems I'm not the only one. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 02:06:01PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 03:03:10PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: On Montag, 27. April 2009, Noah Slater wrote: * The Debian lists do not have a Reply-To header, does someone know why? http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:19:08PM +0200, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: Noah Slater wrote: Either you avoid Reply-To because it is harmful and accept that you will get carbon copies from the commonly implemented group reply function of modern mail clients, or you include the harmful

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:09:19PM +0100, Brett Parker wrote: On 27 Apr 15:41, Noah Slater wrote: You're arguing that a Reply-To header is harmful (not that I am convinced) and Think of the occasions when you actually do want to do an offlist reply - it's not that uncommon - having Reply

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
use 'r' to reply to mail. Hmm, interesting! Unfortunately, I don't use folders so I don't think this will work for me. Thanks, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
value. Add a Reply-To and this problem goes away. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
that every computer that participates on the Debian mailing lists is upgraded to respect this policy. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
want your reply to go to the list. If you have one, and you remember to use it. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
. This was detailed earlier in this thread. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
a net win if we respect the intended semantics of Reply-To while simultaneously embracing the Mail-Followup-To header. I don't see how you could argue one, without the other. :) -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
sending an email to a Debian list. That I continue to make this mistake in a thread discussing the very same problem should be an example of how problematic the whole thing is for me, and others like me. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: ignoring the CoC in regards to cc:s (Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff?

2009-04-27 Thread Noah Slater
, not the other way around. Arguing that people should adjust the way they use their software because it makes more sense that way is a poor excuse for bad engineering. This is why we write software, after all. To make things easier for humans, not machines. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-26 Thread Noah Slater
files have been prepared, exactly like Charles is doing. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Can we ship sources of a PDF file in the Debian diff? (was: Re: phyml_20081203-1_powerpc.changes REJECTED)

2009-04-26 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:03:07PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: FIRST: GO AWAY WITH YOUR STUPID CC'S. I OBVIOUSLY READ THE LIST. Dude, chill out. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: debian/copyright verbosity

2009-04-14 Thread Noah Slater
any copyright statements down into one File stanza for convenience. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: debian/copyright verbosity

2009-04-14 Thread Noah Slater
of everyone who has ever submitted a patch so those details are completely impossible to add. The main purpose, AFAICT, is that the main contributors are correctly attributed, nothing more. Agreed. This was the outcome of the previous copyright proposal discussion. -- Noah Slater, http

Accepted couchdb 0.9.0-1 (source i386)

2009-04-14 Thread Noah Slater
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Format: 1.8 Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:32:45 +0100 Source: couchdb Binary: couchdb Architecture: source i386 Version: 0.9.0-1 Distribution: unstable Urgency: low Maintainer: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org Changed-By: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org

Re: Improvements to ‘debian /watch’ for fetching from VCS

2009-04-08 Thread Noah Slater
of these cases is uncommon enough to be marginalized for the other seems absurd on the face of it. I'm not even sure what you're proposing be the outcome of coding to the common case is. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Improvements to ‘debian /watch’ for fetching from VCS

2009-04-07 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 10:00:05AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sat, Apr 04 2009, Noah Slater wrote: As a concrete benefit, my nightly cron to check uscan for all my packages will be able to alert me about the ones pulled from repository revisions, all I would need to do is add a new

Re: Improvements to ‘debian /watch’ for fetching from VCS

2009-04-07 Thread Noah Slater
, and run: debian/rules get-orig-source This works for all my packages, and is very handy for other people. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Improvements to ‘debian /watch’ for fetching from VCS

2009-04-07 Thread Noah Slater
in ‘debian/changelog’. Yes, I more often find myself wanting to just get the current tarball. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Improvements to ‘debian /watch’ for fetching from VCS

2009-04-04 Thread Noah Slater
to alert me about the ones pulled from repository revisions, all I would need to do is add a new check-version target. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Improvements to ‘debian /watch’ fo r fetching from VCS (was: This topic died off; any resolution?)

2009-04-02 Thread Noah Slater
://example.org/ $DIR get-revision: svn co -r $REV http://example.org/ $DIR As long as you standardised the variables passed, and the location, should work. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Improvements to ‘debian /watch’ for fetching from VCS

2009-04-02 Thread Noah Slater
actions, right? Is the current version the latest one we're interested in, and how can we fetch the upstream source for the current version. If we let these two actions be scripted through a standard interface, it should work with any repository. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-24 Thread Noah Slater
the format completely machine-parseable means making allowances for so many ifs and buts that the copyright files become only readable by machine. Of course, this is not true. What a peculiar thing to say. The format proposal follows debian/control, and is quite simple in structure. -- Noah Slater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-24 Thread Noah Slater
sound bite. But a spec or a standard's big value comes if it is fixed to be widely accepted, even if it means that some parts of the standard are optional. I hope that you will contribute your opinion when DEP 5 has a draft to review. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-24 Thread Noah Slater
the draft ought to be paying attention to the feedback being generated now, and create a better draft to start with. Of course we are. :) -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-24 Thread Noah Slater
, but considering we've let a proposal stew on a wiki for over a year, have taken some discussion over to the mailing list and are now working on a DEP, I find it very confusing that it should be considered that we are somehow abusing the process. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:13:54PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 03:34 +, Noah Slater wrote: On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:07:23PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: NEW rejections are even stronger than an RC bug. Apart from questions of whether that's useful

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
a long way towards preventing DFSG problems in future uploads. Preventative measures seem a lot better than reactionary ones in this regard. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
wording. Firmly in my mind is the cost/benefit of this extra effort. If we succeed in integrating debian/copyright checks into lintian, or dpkg and it's front-ends, it seems reasonable to imagine that this effort would be a good trade-off. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
adopt this approach with the proposal. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
allow lintian checks to be developed, and maybe even automatic license compatibility checks to be performed. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
the entire proposal as a good idea gone bad. Maybe someone else can look at it after Squeeze and raise version 2.0 from the ashes. It seems we are in violent agreement. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 03:47:39PM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote: Le Sunday 22 March 2009 14:45:18 Noah Slater, vous avez écrit : Could you provide a use case or two to help clarify things? The main one I see is for an end user to look at a packages copyright file and say 'yes, I can use

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
a failure of the format. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
as a whole, right? -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
for proper consideration. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
the NOTICE file is more obviously safe. CouchDB should be doing a 0.9 this week, so I'll take a look. Thanks. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
was not something I was talking about. Please do not mangle my position like this. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:29:37PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: Having said that, I am thinking that fully documenting the license of each file provides a handy way to ensure that developers are thoroughly checking the package for licensing problems

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
this is complete, the proposed copyright format would sit on top of that nicely, assuming it is accepted by the community. I want to keep all policy decisions away from the format proposal. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
in duplicating the INN CONTRIBUTORS file in debian/copyright. +1 -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
inventing your own consistent formatting style. Maybe that's just my mild OCD speaking though. Heh. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
that don't want to spend an afternoon on this topic. Am I the cat's mother? I'm not sure which is more rude, replying to emails faster than other people or criticising someone's behaviour in a public forum. If you think I reply to emails too fast, please do so in private in the future. -- Noah

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:08:54PM +, Noah Slater wrote: Am I the cat's mother? I'm not sure which is more rude, replying to emails faster than other people or criticising someone's behaviour in a public forum. If you think I reply to emails too fast, please do so in private in the future

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
of a developer for this? Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
, in a similar vein as debian/control, for whatever information you might have already been using. This has clear advantages for being able to post-process, check, search, and navigate copyright information using whatever tools the community decides would be profitable. -- Noah Slater, http

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
/copyright, as seen in the source files and AUTHORS list or equivalent (if any). Why do you think this work is needed? You must have had some rationale, since you made up this policy. Again, to document that they have, in fact, done what they are supposed to. -- Noah Slater, http

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
thoroughly checked for licensing issues. Because such a check must involve looking at the headers of each file, and any AUTHORS or similar file, there appears to be no reason why this should not be written down. It also provides a nice summary for our users. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
to be thoroughly checked for licensing issues. As this necessarily involves looking at each file, I don't see why it should be considered that much extra effort documenting the process. Ensuring DFSG compatibility is hardly administrative fluff. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
. If the package lists the copyright as belonging to the FSF, then it belongs to the FSF. If it does not, then it does not. This is coming from a GNU maintainer who has been through the process. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
that possible DFSG problems are RC bugs? :/ -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
, but I'm afraid that this simply isn't legally true. For our purposes it is more than sufficient. If a package lists a person as the copyright holder, we should accept it. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-21 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 04:31:58AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 02:58 +, Noah Slater a écrit : Again, while the documentation of individual licenses may not be policy, it is certainly policy for each package to be thoroughly checked for licensing issues

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
, obviously, embedded libraries, but we already have to check if any is added to avoid duplication and build against the system one whenever possible) You might not care, but the package users might do. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
to do this anyway, it makes sense to record that information in debian/copyright. If you maintain a very large package, then you should *expect* this to take a long time. If that's too much effort for your, get a co-maintainer or a different package. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
see that the copyright file is primarily useful to end users who may want a convenient way of browsing the copyright and licence information. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
be distributing software. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
with this goal. Hence my suggestion that if a package you are maintaining seems like too much work, perhaps it would make sense to collaboratively maintain it. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
. You selectively chose one thing I had written, please don't do that. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:14:36PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le vendredi 20 mars 2009 à 14:02 +, Noah Slater a écrit : If we were suggesting some totally arbitrary and time consuming task, then I could understand your concerns. However, you should be checking each file as a part

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 03:35:22PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Fri, 20 Mar 2009, Noah Slater wrote: On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 02:41:31PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: It behoves us as distributors to check, no matter how hard it is. If you think that sounds like too much work

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
I am doing is suggesting that either we throw out this argument, or fix the policy. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
the copyright proposal, which is only codifying existing policy. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
Lehnardt j...@apache.org Copyright 2008, Christopher Lenz cml...@apache.org Copyright 2008, Noah Slater nsla...@apache.org License: Apache-2.0 On Debian systems the full text of the Apache License (Version 2) can be found in the `/usr/share/common-licenses/Apache-2.0' file. Note

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
, there should be no reason why you can't express what you are already doing with the new copyright proposal. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
to be a conflation of separate issues. I see the copyright proposal as a format, not policy, document. If people want to formalise the granularity of our copyright information, then so be it, but let's do that as a separate effort. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-20 Thread Noah Slater
found this, I sent the issue upstream: http://tinyurl.com/ctargs And I was fortunate that they did a massive overhaul and a re-release. Best, -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble

Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden?directories (forced browsing)

2009-02-24 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 09:17:35PM +0100, Holger Levsen wrote: (As Noah Slater pointed out, it's hard to lose a directory on your own machine...) you can loose access to your machine... At which point you may as well call it someone else's machine. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org

Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing)

2009-02-23 Thread Noah Slater
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 01:06:38PM +0100, Bjørn Mork wrote: Noah Slater nsla...@tumbolia.org writes: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 05:18:39PM -0800, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I think that the description explains that the purpose is to find hidden directories on web servers, presumably either your

Re: Bug#516659: ITP: w3bfukk0r -- scan webservers for hidden directories (forced browsing)

2009-02-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 05:18:39PM -0800, Asheesh Laroia wrote: I think that the description explains that the purpose is to find hidden directories on web servers, presumably either your own or other people's. Why would you need to find directories on your own server? -- Noah Slater, http

Re: Misc developer news (#13)

2009-01-26 Thread Noah Slater
that mail instead of filing a bug. In defence of the OP, it hardly looks like a Debian-fixable problem. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Test suites after build and Build-Depends.

2009-01-23 Thread Noah Slater
What about providing a test target in debian/rules and hooking into this automatically with pdebuild. You should be able to run tests from within the chroot without having to modify your debian/control file. -- Noah Slater, http://tumbolia.org/nslater -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel

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