Re: Default font: Transition from DejaVu to Noto

2023-09-12 Thread The Wanderer
On 2023-09-12 at 02:28, Fabian Greffrath wrote: > Hi Wanderer, > >> Rather than discussing only Noto vs. DejaVu, is there any >> possibility of reintroducing Bitstream Vera as a default-font >> option (even if with a low priority), for systems which have that >> in

Re: Default font: Transition from DejaVu to Noto

2023-09-10 Thread The Wanderer
t font (without risking having the changes overwritten on a future package update) that I could find. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-07 Thread The Wanderer
i386 FWIW: though I haven't touched it in quite some while, I recall from all those years ago that the reason zsnes is i386-only is that part of its code is hand-written assembly language for (some variant of) that architecture, and that rewriting it for that not to be the case would be at be

Re: Is an autogenerated configure shell script non-editable source

2022-12-09 Thread The Wanderer
to the file, and both of which are likely to have the same answer: * If upstream were going to change the configure process, what file would they edit? * If you wanted to make changes to the configure process and submit them to upstream for possible inclusion, which file would upstream want the patch with t

Re: Firmware GR result - what happens next?

2022-10-02 Thread The Wanderer
the testing case), and I'd greatly prefer to be able to run an upgrade and have things Just Work rather than need to make sure I catch whatever notification comes along and make that change at the right time to coordinate with when the 'upstream' change is made. -- The Wanderer The reasonab

Re: feedback for NEW packages: switch to using the BTS?

2022-04-29 Thread The Wanderer
what's the point > of the "eventual removal" above? I'm not following you here... I parsed that not as "removal from the archive" but as "removal from the NEW queue", much as now happens (in some order and via some mechanism, perhaps a manual one) when a REJECT mai

Re: shim-signed

2022-04-26 Thread The Wanderer
isn't signed, and might be malicious). Since the entire purpose of the shim - at least as I understand it - is to chain to load something else, clearly either that understanding is not correct, or they're making an exception for the case of the shim. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man ada

Re: shim-signed

2022-04-26 Thread The Wanderer
t, I'd be interested to learn what the actual point of having the shim is. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

Re: multiple roles of d/copyright

2022-02-10 Thread The Wanderer
o comply with license requirements? I may > have missed it, but I don't see that on your list. Isn't that the above paragraph? -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depen

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-04 Thread The Wanderer
that you suddenly have quite a few more volunteers. I do, however, concur with these sentiments. Expanding the sphere of those who can to provide reviews (if not necessarily grant approvals) to packages in NEW might well be a good idea. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unrea

Re: Legal advice regarding the NEW queue

2022-02-02 Thread The Wanderer
for already-accepted packages, but it would seem to avoid the "nobody ever looked at this" situation. It would also increase the number of automatically-filed bugs by quite a lot, I suspect, which would itself be some degree of downside... -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts

Re: Do we need to hide packages in NEW queue

2022-01-31 Thread The Wanderer
(I concur with your assessment and arguments overall, I just didn't see this one angle being addressed anywhere, and I feel that it's important enough - assuming it applies at all - to make sure it doesn't get overlooked.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; th

Re: merged-/usr transition: debconf or not?

2021-11-18 Thread The Wanderer
it has. (Zack, if I've gotten any of those wrong, please don't hesitate to correct me; I'll either apologize, or drop right back out of the discussion to go hide in a metaphorical hole, if not both.) Do you dispute any of those three points? If so, I'd be interested to know which one(s), and why.

Re: Future of /usr/bin/which in Debian?

2021-09-21 Thread The Wanderer
I also haven't tried *terribly* hard.) This seems to demonstrate that you can't safely just use 'command -v' wherever you would otherwise use 'which'. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself

Re: Package name misspelled in binNMU changelogs

2021-08-25 Thread The Wanderer
this will resolve eventually in any case, as long as there's ever another update to the affected package? In that case, that entirely addresses my concern, and I apologize for the noise. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying

Package name misspelled in binNMU changelogs

2021-08-25 Thread The Wanderer
in a position to do without what to me is a noticeable degree of effort. Is there any reasonable way to get this spelling error corrected in the changelogs across all these packages? Or is this too minor to be worth bothering with, and something that should be just left to lie as it stands?

Re: merged /usr considered harmful

2021-07-16 Thread The Wanderer
g lines in a way which (presumably inadvertently) produced an initially-misleading result, that would be one thing, but I don't think it's appropriate to accuse him of snipping out context when he didn't do so. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one p

Re: Unique kernel with my own backup of all Debian repositories

2021-06-12 Thread The Wanderer
y're blocking the downloading IP address as an anti-DoS measure. I had a similar issue at one point for rather different reasons, and if memory serves, I avoided the issue by just adding a (possibly-semi-random) delay period - of only a few seconds - after the download of each consecutive file.

Re: Making Debian available

2021-01-16 Thread The Wanderer
clear *where* and *how* to provide that firmware. What I read Ted as suggesting is that there be available an installer image which *has those files / packages already present*, but prompts the user to decide whether or not the installer should make use of them. -- The Wanderer The reasonable

Re: On doing 3000 no-source-change source-only uploads in January 2021

2021-01-04 Thread The Wanderer
s agreed to handle the packaging again, but it's not at all clear whether it'll be ready and make it through NEW again ahead of the release freeze. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all

Re: RFC: Final update of DEP-14 on naming of git packaging branches

2020-09-04 Thread The Wanderer
ation? I'd suggest either "but all other vendors should do so" or "as all others should do", but other variations are possible and I don't have a strong preference. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in

Re: RFC: Final update of DEP-14 on naming of git packaging branches

2020-08-31 Thread The Wanderer
ng else should be considered to be in some sense derived from"; experience seems to show that that sense allows for considerable versatility. IMO we should aim to retain that meaning in whatever name is chosen to replace 'master', for minimum disruption - and for the minimum semantic difference

Re: RFC: Final update of DEP-14 on naming of git packaging branches

2020-08-30 Thread The Wanderer
> consistent (because there is no character code name for experimental > AFAIK). I thought the same at one point, but in fact, there is: it's called rc-buggy. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases#Codenames http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/rc-buggy/ -- The Wanderer The reaso

Re: RFC: Final update of DEP-14 on naming of git packaging branches

2020-08-30 Thread The Wanderer
r" branch used in upstream git repositories, > which doesn't really have a fixed meaning anyway.) This would be the reason why I would have argued against choosing 'latest' for the name. If a replacement for 'master' is needed, the best candidate I've encountered or come up with yet is gen

Re: Proposal: Allowing access to dmesg for users in group adm

2020-08-17 Thread The Wanderer
hanged to 0750 (-rwxr-x---) > > You mean 0754? I missed this detail of the proposal. Please ignore my previous mail. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends

Re: Proposal: Allowing access to dmesg for users in group adm

2020-08-17 Thread The Wanderer
t root 83K Aug 1 13:28 /bin/dmesg Is there some Debian context in which this isn't the case? -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonab

Re: isc-dhcp-client sends DHCPDISCOVER *before* wpa_supplicant authenticates/associates/connects.

2020-07-11 Thread The Wanderer
onf, and I wouldn't want to have to re-enter them manually into a new system if I could avoid it. Is there a migration procedure, other convenient way to bring those settings across into iwd? (I'm not at the computer involved at the moment, so I can't easily check things to see whether any of the answer

Re: apt 2.0 release notes

2020-03-10 Thread The Wanderer
ist in the available repositories, they are not being affected by the current change. Is that (still) correct? Are there any known plans for changes regarding this inline install/remove syntax in the currently foreseeable future? -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unrea

Re: Is there still a point in installing libgcrypt to /lib instead of /usr/lib

2020-02-18 Thread The Wanderer
even to archives of past discussion where this would be made clear, are entirely acceptable.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Adding security features

2020-02-03 Thread The Wanderer
HTTPS be used everywhere and in all cases, even places and cases which would not otherwise see any benefit from using it. That argument does not necessarily generalize to other "higher security by default" discussions, however, and at a glance I don't think I see how it would appl

Re: Deprecating regex/fnmatch fallback for package arguments, and 1.9.6 highlights

2020-01-15 Thread The Wanderer
havior be like, and what syntax will we be able to use to achieve similar "mix and match install and remove in the same command line" results (preferably with similar levels of convenience)? -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one pe

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-04 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-04 at 05:57, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 at 19:52:33 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2020-01-03 at 19:33, Simon McVittie wrote: >> >>> D-Bus activation is a D-Bus feature where instead of starting a >>> D-Bus service (anoth

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 19:33, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 at 18:07:36 -0500, The Wanderer wrote: > >> What I'm concerned about is dbus socket activation, or similar, >> leading to e.g. logind getting activated by logging in at the text >> console. >&

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 17:43, Russ Allbery wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> If I recall and understand correctly, installing >> systemd-the-package will result in at least some of the daemons >> therein - including both systemd itself, and systemd-logind - being >&g

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
to bother supporting. I don't want to just drop the conversation midstream at this point, however.) On 2020-01-03 at 14:36, Russ Allbery wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> On 2020-01-03 at 13:35, Russ Allbery wrote: >>> Why would that be necessary? > >>

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 13:35, Russ Allbery wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> Unless my understanding of the architecture of >> systemd-the-init-system is entirely incorrect, running these >> .service'es is handled by /bin/systemd. If having these programs >> run at boo

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 09:13, Ansgar wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> However, as it remains the case that they are shipped in the same >> package as /bin/systemd, and as I gather (mostly from this thread, >> I think) that some of the ways they are expected to be invoked &g

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 07:50, Ansgar wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> On 2020-01-02 at 08:14, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> >>> As I wrote, no need to complain, but act. >>> >>> https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opentmpfiles >> >> For me (with n

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-01-03 at 08:50, Andrej Shadura wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 14:02, The Wanderer > wrote: > >> On 2020-01-02 at 09:03, Sam Hartman wrote: >> >>> My understanding is that systemd's implementation of tmpfiles >>> and sysusers wor

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
er Devuan or Gentoo or something farther afield. In that context, I find the entire premise of "why do we need multiple implementations of this?" to be unfortunate; "need" is, IMO, the wrong standard to use for this. -- The Wanderer (who will, as usual, probably regret post

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread The Wanderer
s), so that doesn't fit. Any idea what's going on here? > https://salsa.debian.org/debian/opensysusers This one shows the repository and its contents, however. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to

Re: Q: what's the blocker for firefox-esr update migrates to testing

2019-10-31 Thread The Wanderer
ues preventing migration: >> firefox-esr unsatisfiable Build-Depends(-Arch) on armel: nodejs (>= 8.11) >> missing build on armel That seems clear enough to me, although I haven't looked into the reasons why that dependency can't currently be satisfied on that architecture. -- The Wand

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread The Wanderer
On 2019-08-07 at 16:59, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 07 aug 19, 09:28:12, The Wanderer wrote: > >> I've begun to wonder whether it might be worth the overhead to set up >> some type of mechanism to let packages which define such >> machine-specific IDs A: declar

Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-07 Thread The Wanderer
on is not ideal, I would be more than happy to defer to those with more expertise. -- The Wanderer (will, statistically, probably regret posting this) The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Theref

Re: Proposition: Insert Mozilla Firefox Release in Debian

2019-07-14 Thread The Wanderer
include the "release" version, i.e., mainline non-ESR. My understanding is that that's a nonstarter for one reason and another, but I don't recall all the specifics involved. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in tryin

Re: Apt-secure and upgrading to bullseye

2019-07-10 Thread The Wanderer
ctical. (For those clients which don't present the solution themselves, of course.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Upcoming Qt switch to OpenGL ES on arm64

2018-11-24 Thread The Wanderer
phics" series). Presumably that's what > you meant when you said embedded? I don't know of any which exist currently, but a naive Google search for 'discrete Intel GPU' turns up news articles from this past August reporting that they've teased one coming out in ~2020. -- The Wanderer

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-10-26 at 00:51, Russ Allbery wrote: > The Wanderer writes: > >> On 2018-10-25 at 20:00, Russ Allbery wrote: > >>> The Depends field should be used if the depended-on package is >>> required for the depending package to provide a significant >>>

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-25 Thread The Wanderer
oth definitions would seem equally applicable. If that's correct, then the definitions don't actually help indicate which relationship should be declared in such a case. That strikes me as a flaw in the definitions, quite possibly an unintended one, and (if so) potentially a bug worth fixing. -- The Wanderer

Re: Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-16 Thread The Wanderer
asic functionality should be present. (And I say that as a near-diehard sysvinit user, who finds the idea of sysvinit being dropped from Debian a source of considerable stress.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Test message

2018-07-29 Thread The Wanderer
y change being made at this point are exceedingly slim. Basically, don't ever expect to receive via Gmail a copy of a message sent from that same Gmail account. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. The

Re: Firefox 60esr on Stretch ?

2018-05-04 Thread The Wanderer
Even leaving other Mozilla-based browsers aside, ISTR there being (or having been?) some extensions which would work just fine in both Firefox and Thunderbird, and since Thunderbird is retaining XUL support - at least for now - there may be some value in retaining such "overlap"

Re: Please do not drop Python 2 modules

2018-04-25 Thread The Wanderer
as I can see) pull in anything named python3*. That is enough to qualify Python 2 as "the Python which will be present in a default install of Python on Debian", and therefore as "Debian's default version of Python". -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the w

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread The Wanderer
On 2018-04-18 at 10:53, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On Wed, 2018-04-18 at 10:45 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > >> On 2018-04-18 at 05:55, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: >>> But that didn't happen, unless you put different meaning into >>> Maintainer and Uploaders. >&g

Re: problems in gjots2 and Debian

2018-04-18 Thread The Wanderer
oved you as a maintainer. > > But that didn't happen, unless you put different meaning into > Maintainer and Uploaders. If you don't assign different meanings to "Maintainer:" and "Uploaders:", what's the point in both fields existing? -- The Wanderer The reasonable

Re: Debian part of a version number when epoch is bumped

2018-04-02 Thread The Wanderer
here being such I so far haven't been able to think of any. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw s

Re: Extended Long Term Support for Wheezy, CIP

2018-02-22 Thread The Wanderer
ut what is "CIP"? > > > My websearch did bring up "Clean In Place" and "Christelijk > Intromatie Platform" ... Referring back to Raphael's original mail, it would appear to stand for "Civil Infrastructure Project". -- The Wanderer The r

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-19 Thread The Wanderer
ren't doing that for > PostgreSQL. Nit: the new Firefox ESR this year will apparently be version 60, not 59. They've postponed it by one release this time around, for reasons I haven't bothered to retain. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonab

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-01 Thread The Wanderer
and I've never seen this "suspend in response to Shut Down" behavior there; the first place I ever saw it was on a Windows 8 machine. I'm not sure I've yet seen it in our current Windows 10 pilot, either, but I also haven't looked especially closely there. -- The Wanderer Th

Re: virtualbox-guest-utils as time server.

2017-10-09 Thread The Wanderer
his. I think I parse this as saying that the VM in question *is* a (virtual) server, and as such needs to run server software (including time-server software) for the benefit of other systems. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persis

Re: Whether remotely running software is considered "software" for Debian.

2017-08-28 Thread The Wanderer
ply a change in what is considered "part of Debian", which might be controversial. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

Re: Bug#860170: node-brfs -- browserify fs.readFileSync() static asset inliner

2017-04-14 Thread The Wanderer
at the start, but the H was not pronounced; I just wrote it > down incorrectly. At a guess, probably "herb", which is commonly pronounced without the initial aspirant even in dialects (etc.) which ordinarily don't elide such. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to

Re: Non-free RFCs in stretch

2017-03-07 Thread The Wanderer
e conflicted against seems like a recipe for madness. I hope I'm just missing something, because this looks like a very interesting idea. With Recommends:, however, it looks like it would do nothing more than potentially warn the user at install time that a package which is about to be installed

Re: SPAM

2017-03-03 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-03-03 at 23:36, Ben Finney wrote: > The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> writes: > >> In this case, either it's faked up to look as if it's coming from >> the person listed in the From: address but that person has actually >> never seen the message before it

Re: SPAM

2017-03-03 Thread The Wanderer
hat person (to appear as if it had come from the mailing list) and we don't even have the headers of the actual original spam. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress de

Re: Bug#829076: general: Random freezes but the mouse can still move

2017-02-26 Thread The Wanderer
ders (etc.) as if it were a response by J. Random Netizen to a message already posted in some random thread. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable

github and its workflows (was Re: manpages.debian.org has been modernized!)

2017-01-30 Thread The Wanderer
On 2017-01-30 at 07:38, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 01/30/2017 01:32 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> If someone isn't cloning the repository locally, how is that >> someone creating the patch which is in the git repo which is >> requested to be pulled? > > Choose a rand

Re: manpages.debian.org has been modernized!

2017-01-30 Thread The Wanderer
o github is with 'git push'; at least that's what I had to use the one time I tried to work with github other than to clone a repo hosted there, although admittedly my network situation is a bit unusual.) -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in t

Re: Is missing SysV-init support a bug?

2016-10-18 Thread The Wanderer
ely for them to be well received. > > Because I write the name of a project in the most reasonable > capitalized form. Without taking sides on the question at hand: do you, then, spell the name of the distribution as DebIan? -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the

Re: Debian does not have customers

2016-09-23 Thread The Wanderer
excuses are valid, mind. That doesn't mean they aren't excuses. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Debian does not have customers

2016-09-20 Thread The Wanderer
to prevail in the circumstances which we have to live under. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Debian does not have customers, but users

2016-09-18 Thread The Wanderer
the developers of Debian are developing software for themselves - but I'm pretty sure the point of what you quoted is in the word "only", which you omitted from your rephrasing, and I'm not at all sure even all Debian contributors would agree that they are contributing to Debian _only_ for th

Re: Debian does not have customers

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-09-15 at 22:03, Ben Finney wrote: > The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> writes: > >> On 2016-09-15 at 21:26, Wookey wrote: >> >>> I reckon a lot of us would be happier if you [Russ] (and Abou) >>> used the term 'users', rather than 'customers'

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
discussion would be at best arguably on-topic. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
to find > alternative ways for channeling such support requests. Albeit (for reasons I can't seem to pin down into verbal form) somewhat reluctantly, I have to agree with this. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt

Re: Bug#837606: general: system freeze

2016-09-15 Thread The Wanderer
Which is probably to say that eliminating, or at the least reworking, the 'general' package as a target for bug reports would probably be an improvement if done properly. I'm not terribly fond of it as an idea at first glance, but the logic behind it does seem fairly strong. -- The Wanderer The r

Re: Use and abuse of the unreproducible tag

2016-09-13 Thread The Wanderer
at this is considered something that's desirable to support, at least as a matter of philosophy. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Subjects and threads

2016-09-04 Thread The Wanderer
s: headers manually every time they look at the list of available messages.) To arbitrarily drop that additional flag would require more reason than "just because". -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt th

Re: libsystemd

2016-08-28 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-08-28 at 09:11, Jonathan de Boyne Pollard wrote: > The Wanderer: > >> IMO this level of integration between things which are not mutually >> interdependent is a minor bug in itself, but none of the >> maintainers are going to agree with me on that. &

Re: libsystemd [was: Re: Is missing SysV-init support a bug?]

2016-08-27 Thread The Wanderer
here, which means I do need to wade through that changelog in case anything relevant is mentioned. IMO this level of integration between things which are not mutually interdependent is a minor bug in itself, but none of the maintainers are going to agree with me on that.) -- The Wanderer Th

Re: mk-build-deps cannot install particular version of Build-Depends packages

2016-08-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-08-25 at 23:06, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 9:29 PM, The Wanderer wrote: >> If there exists a dependency solution which will achieve the >> result requested on the command line (here, installing the lower >> version of the depended-on package),

Re: mk-build-deps cannot install particular version of Build-Depends packages

2016-08-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-08-25 at 23:06, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 9:29 PM, The Wanderer wrote: > >> In other words: the problem here is the fact that apt's priorities >> in this regard are messed up. > > The same will happen with custom priorities set. I am ref

Re: mk-build-deps cannot install particular version of Build-Depends packages

2016-08-25 Thread The Wanderer
ackage), that solution should be chosen over any which do not achieve that result; if that solution involves removing or downgrading packages, it should be presented for confirmation before proceeding. If - as is apparently the case - apt does not presently do that, that should IMO be considered a bug

Reply headers vs. in-mail requests (was Re: Bad news to CUDA applications (was: Re: GCC 6 & binutils for the Debian stretch release))

2016-07-01 Thread The Wanderer
t - and IMO neither of those is the correct default. The presence of a comment such as this one informs me that I may want to vary that practice in a given case. (I haven't done so in this case since this mail is no longer on the topic which he raised, so I don't have good reason to expec

Re: Bug#823465: dpkg: Won't run at all on i586 Pentium MMX due to illegal instruction

2016-05-08 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-05-08 at 09:09, Neil Williams wrote: > On Sun, 08 May 2016 07:18:40 -0400 The Wanderer > <wande...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> On 2016-05-08 at 03:45, Neil Williams wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 8 May 2016 00:51:57 +0200 Pierre Ynard >>> <linkfa...@

Re: Bug#823465: dpkg: Won't run at all on i586 Pentium MMX due to illegal instruction

2016-05-08 Thread The Wanderer
On 2016-05-08 at 08:20, Marc Haber wrote: > On Sun, 08 May 2016 07:18:40 -0400, The Wanderer > <wande...@fastmail.fm> wrote: > >> Even if running unstable, I would certainly expect that something >> which is known to break certain types of systems this badly would

Re: Bug#823465: dpkg: Won't run at all on i586 Pentium MMX due to illegal instruction

2016-05-08 Thread The Wanderer
racking sid as being a reasonable thing to do, although I myself decided years ago from experience that it was a bad idea. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends

Re: Possible MBF: Packages depending on iceweasel but not firefox/firefox-esr

2016-03-20 Thread The Wanderer
Provides: firefox (or that both should Provides: a single virtual package), or something along those lines, to avoid requiring packages to list both alternatives explicitly. I'm not sure that wouldn't have too many downsides to be a good approach, however. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man a

Re: dbconfig-common: near future change in dependency stack

2016-01-30 Thread The Wanderer
eamlessly compatible on the database level, and that expectation seems to have been borne out. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

Re: dbconfig-common: near future change in dependency stack

2016-01-30 Thread The Wanderer
L at this point. MariaDB's changes don't go back > into MySQL. So the forks will just get further and further apart. That's more or less what I'd expect. It still seems possible that the "downstream" fork would retain input compatibility with the "upstream" parent, but certainly tha

Re: Removing sysV init files

2016-01-15 Thread The Wanderer
adly enough that not having any would be an improvement (although I don't think I've seen this specifically addressed in past discussions). You wouldn't be obliged to continue to maintain and update them, however, and IMO - in the absence of someone who _is_ doing that - you'd be fine to put i

Re: Bug#809014: ITP: chewing-editor -- libchewing user phrase editor

2015-12-27 Thread The Wanderer
ry" instead of "customize user dictionary". The result of those changes isn't ideal, but it's adequate - and fixing things up further would be me rewriting things on my own initiative, rather than just pointing out corrections. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himse

Re: Upcoming version of apt-file - using apt-acquire and incompatibilities

2015-12-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-12-06 at 07:01, David Kalnischkies wrote: > On Sat, Dec 05, 2015 at 07:58:07AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: >> Will it still be possible to update just the apt-file index, >> separately from updating the main package index? I see no >> indication in the current apt

Re: Upcoming version of apt-file - using apt-acquire and incompatibilities

2015-12-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-12-06 at 11:46, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm>, 2015-12-06, 08:50: > >> Er... the entire reason I started running 'apt-file update' in the >> first place is because running 'apt-get update' was not, or did >> not appear to be, upd

Re: Upcoming version of apt-file - using apt-acquire and incompatibilities

2015-12-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-12-06 at 18:23, Russ Allbery wrote: > The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> writes: > >> I'm not sure I'm happy about such an important change in the >> behavior of the core binary of one package being (able to be) made >> by an update to a completely diff

Re: Upcoming version of apt-file - using apt-acquire and incompatibilities

2015-12-06 Thread The Wanderer
On 2015-12-06 at 15:30, Russ Allbery wrote: > The Wanderer <wande...@fastmail.fm> writes: > >> $ apt-cache policy apt-file >> apt-file: >> Installed: 2.5.4 >> Candidate: 2.5.4 >> Version table: >> *** 2.5.4 0 >> 500 http:

Re: Upcoming version of apt-file - using apt-acquire and incompatibilities

2015-12-05 Thread The Wanderer
h redundant updates to the package index (which might quality as "switch to apt" in practice). -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreason

Re: Porting DKMS package from ubuntu to debian shows compilation errors

2015-09-27 Thread The Wanderer
observed behavior. Unfortunately I don't have immediate access to a set of headers for the 3.18-era kernel, so I can't easily check that myself, but it shouldn't be hard for you to check it on your build machine. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreason

Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds

2015-09-17 Thread The Wanderer
U" is a similar piece of wordplay. I concur that this sort of wordplay in naming is a *nix tradition; however, I withhold comment as to whether the name "bikeshed" is appropriate in this case, as the first I remember hearing about them is this thread and I don't know enough about the co

Re: version format for git snapshot

2015-09-14 Thread The Wanderer
- From the annoucement of ircd 2.10.01-3 for Debian GNU/Linux -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw

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