mailing list hiccup
Our SMTP server on the master system stopped answering for a little while. I sent a hangup to inetd and it started behaving again. Some list articles were delayed, and some are sitting at our alternate MX host right now and will eventually make it to the list. Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: news gateways
From: Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does this mean we shouldn't include the list addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in our web pages? If so, I guess I have to fix some pages... I don't have a problem with the list addresses being in the WWW pages. We should be cognizant that people do troll for mailto: URLs and spam them. The major problem is that the WWW list archives get into search engines, and then clueless people search for keywords and fire off questions to anyone knowledgable that they find. For example, people regualarly ask me about X-10 controllers because of stuff I posted a year ago. I can deal with this, but it seems to annoy Ian Jackson (see his posting). Maybe we need our own separate Internet, with an intelligence test required to get in. That's sort of what the Internet was like as recently as 3 years ago. Thanks Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: developer lists to leave news gateway
From: Christoph Lameter [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is going on here? I thought we were talking about the issue? You must have missed last week's debate because of your school papers. If you think the problems are because of the WWW archive, and from the evidence you've presented to me personaly that looks as if it might be so, it's OK to keep the developer lists on the news gateway for now. If you look back a week ago in this list, most of the comments were for removing the developer lists from the news gateway. If you want to ask _me_, I think they should all stay on the gateway. I'm trying to be responsive to the other developers. Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Taking over tkman
If noone objects, I'll take tkman. The version we have seems to be obsolete since August. -- Yann Dirson [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Stop making M$-Bill richer richer, alt-email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | support Debian GNU/Linux: debian-email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | more powerful, more stable ! http://www.a2points.com/homepage/3475232 | - A computer engineer's looking for a job ! - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: bashisms
Kai Henningsen wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adrian Bridgett) wrote on 27.11.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There are alot of scripts which use unnecessary bashisms. Apart from complex
scripts most of these can be easily changed to conform to the POSIX shell.
This has the added advantage of meaning that those who want to can use ash
as /bin/sh and reap the benefits of improved performance.
Hmmm ... I remember someone claiming that ash _isn't_ a POSIX shell?
Please install the package and read ash(1), its goal is POSIX
compliance. If you can find anything in ash that isn't POSIX, please
file a bug report.
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Re: Debian-devel subscriber count
Here's one lurker sticking his head up for a second. I lurk so I get some picture of what's happening on the hamm front, beyond what I get on debian-user. I don't post because I don't develop (yet ;). At the risk of posting a gratuitous message, me too. I like running my machine near the bleeding edge, and Debian Hamm is one way to do that. I also like listening in on the various politics, etc, that crop up, and learn by example how real issues get raised and solved. Besides, for me, the S/N ratio on debian-user is too high (noise being defined by what I don't care about, not by what is invalid for that forum). -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: news gateways
On 14 Dec 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Christian Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does this mean we shouldn't include the list addresses ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) in our web pages? If so, I guess I have to fix some pages... I don't have a problem with the list addresses being in the WWW pages. We should be cognizant that people do troll for mailto: URLs and spam them. The major problem is that the WWW list archives get into search engines, and then clueless people search for keywords and fire off questions to anyone knowledgable that they find. [...] The problem may be simpler than this. Look at the following, from www.debian.org/contact.html (which is linked to from the bottom of every page): We have a very active user mailing list where Debian users and developers can answer your questions. You should subscribe to the mailing list before sending email to it. Subscribe by sending email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word `Subscribe' in the message BODY. You can also use the form at http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/subscribe.html. Once you're subscribed, just send your question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you would like to contact Debian developers, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Notice that: - the first paragraph about debian-user looks pretty complicated. As a new user, I would think twice about subscribing myself to a mailing list if I just had one question. - the second paragraph about debian-devel seems to be just what I need: If you would like to contact Debian developers. They seem to be just the people to ask about my problem! (It doesn't even request that people subscribe first.) Perhaps a minor rephrasing would help. I'm not saying to take the link away, just clarify what it's for. Have fun, Avery -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: revised proposed solution (was Re: Bug#15859: libc6 in stable is horribly broken)
'Scott K. Ellis wrote:' On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Chris Fearnley wrote: Why can't we do the following: In both bo-updates and hamm: libc5: No conflicts, no depends (predepends on ldso, of course) (solves the problem of not being able to upgrade easily) [...] This still forces people installing libc6 to upgrade libc5 past a version that can be used with libc5-dev. This is the problem I'm arguing against right now. Doesn't the quoted suggestion (remove the depends: libc6 dependency) resolve that problem?? I think the only problem is finding someone to compile another release of libc5 for hamm. Or could we use an editor to delete the depndency line and bump the version number (regardless of what it would do to the .diff and source)? -- Christopher J. Fearnley | Linux/Internet Consulting [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Design Science Revolutionary http://www.netaxs.com/~cjf | Explorer in Universe ftp://ftp.netaxs.com/people/cjf | Dare to be Naive -- Bucky Fuller -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
WvDial 0.1 available as a Debian package
Hi all,
I'm not an official Debian developer yet -- though my PGP key has been
signed now so hopefully this will accelerate the process -- but rather than
wait, I've released WvDial 0.1-1 on my own.
I'll attach the announcement (posted to comp.os.linux.announce) below. Tell
me if it works for you or if there is anything that should change. The
intention here is that WvDial 0.1 become a part of hamm as soon as possible.
I have one particular concern: wvdial replaces the /usr/bin/p{on,off}
scripts that the ppp packages provides using the alternatives mechanism.
However, I'm not sure that I implemented it correctly. If someone could
look at my postinst/prerm and see if it's decent, I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks! Have fun,
Avery
Introducing WvDial
==
It's amazing! It's your wildest dream come true! Dialup networking
for Linux that doesn't require chat scripts!
Okay, so maybe you're not as excited as I am, but we at Worldvisions
hope this will brighten up your day a little bit, at least. WvDial is
our attempt to make the previously rather complicated configuration of
Linux dial-up networking as simple as phone number - username -
password.
WvDial is and will remain totally free (under the GNU Library General
Public License, or LGPL), and we hope that all Linux distributions will
try to integrate it with their systems.
Features
WvDial 0.1 can:
- automatically detect your internal or external modem on any of
your serial ports, figure out its maximum baud rate, and choose
a valid initialization string.
- dial your internet provider and log in automatically, without
a login script. (This is based on the knowledge that just about
every modern ISP either starts PPP immediately and uses PAP, or
has a standard login/password prompt.)
- support any number of different dialin accounts with one simple
configuration file.
- guess at the menu system or command prompt you get from some
ISP's, and try to respond automatically. (This feature is
still rather experimental.)
- configure and run pppd automatically with PAP without the need to
change or even understand the pap-secrets file.
And best of all, it's almost completely untested!
Great! Where can I get it?
===
The WvDial 0.1 release is available both as source code and as a Debian
package. You can get either or both from our web page:
http://www.worldvisions.ca/wvdial/
Credits
===
WvDial and its supporting libraries were written by Dave Coombs and
Avery Pennarun of Worldvisions Computer Technology, Inc. as part of the
Worldvisions Weaver project.
You can contact us at:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Libc6 progress: 1997-12-12
On Fri, 12 Dec 1997, Richard Braakman wrote: Heiko Schlittermann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: wml-1.3.1-1 Hello! :) If you don't mind, mind if I give WML a try? :) (i.e. to do a non-maintainer upload of wml_1.4.5-0.1 if I manage to compile it on my computer. :) Thanks! Anthony -- Anthony Fok Tung-Ling[EMAIL PROTECTED] Civil Engineeringhttp://www.ualberta.ca/~foka/ University of Alberta, CanadaKeep smiling! *^_^* -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: RAS on an NT box.
I need to connect a Linux box to an NT server over a dial-up line. The NT box uses a Remote Access Server. I remember seeing a discussion of this recently, but can't find the reference in my mail archives. Can anyone clue me in as to what package/howto I need to look at to deal with this? You need to enable ms_chap in PPP --- see README.MSCHAP80 I am intending to make ppp generate a separate package (ppp-lite ?) so that I can make the main package depend on libpam and libdes (needed for ms_chap) without needing to put all that on the boot disks. In the mean time, you'll need to grab the source and recompile it. BTW if ppp-lite gets installed on the boot disks, what do I need to do to make ppp get installed over the top of it --- is it just Replaces: ppp-lite in the ppp package ? Cheers, Phil. P.S. I've never tried the NT RAS thing, so I'd like to hear how you get on. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: RAS on an NT box.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dale Scheetz) wrote on 13.12.97 in [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I need to connect a Linux box to an NT server over a dial-up line. The NT box uses a Remote Access Server. I remember seeing a discussion of this recently, but can't find the reference in my mail archives. Can anyone clue me in as to what package/howto I need to look at to deal with this? Haven't done this myself, but from what I hear, the answer is PPP. MfG Kai -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: news gateways
On Sun, Dec 14 1997 1:09 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We should be cognizant that people do troll for mailto: URLs and spam them. This is the real problem IMO with the problem below. The major problem is that the WWW list archives get into search engines, and then clueless people search for keywords and fire off questions to anyone knowledgable that they find. Or much worse: spam the posters with the addresses. I'm getting lately a constant share of UCEs (mostly from the US and Hong Kong), who got their addresses probably from Debian-Lists or the Bug-System. What do the other people do against it? It is annoying, since spam consumes bandwidth and costs me money to download. The upstream ISPs mostly seem unwilling/unable/incompetent to do anything. (if this discussion is inappropriate on debian-devel, move it debian-private) David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: 68k test machine?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Regarding Re: 68k test machine? of 12:23 PM -0800 1997-12-13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a box in the garage here that says Mac IIx. I've been holding on to it hoping that it might someday support the 68k port. Any chance of that? Yes. In fact, it may be working now. - -- Joel Espy Klecker mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.espy.org/ Debian GNU/Linux Developer http://www.debian.org/ Apple Flavored Unixhttp://www.espy.org/apple-flavored-unix/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5 iQCVAwUBNJQDYQoYIlYX1XaBAQHj1gP/ZE0FJ0ewkLPQcBNJ3YrNODG8C/hemB0A GDfFza8E8yb/oMqKm4a65kObSplbBC0M885ti3Jx0nb/tyg8MsFVY6og+V3k0JG4 L9g8YH07a6RULBKMTOYwcbUKDGEa7Tb93pfqJTl1YidRYIWaN5G16kKs0K2UIzi3 I7ybAV90SEQ= =ZU8u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Plan to package xscavenger
Hello all! I intend to package xscavenger, a lode runner like game (remember the good old commodore 64 days?). To be honest, I already did. I also contacted the author, and we work together on a new upstream release. The whole thing is GPL, and it includes a level editor and some dozen levels, sound and nice animations. Oh, you can create own animations, too. However, there is an issue with the sound server. It was taken from koules, and Hubicka took it from xgalaga. I will check this soon. As soon I become registered as a developer, I will upload my package. Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Debian GNU/Linux Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Packages available for expert maintainers or newbies
On Sat, 29 Nov 1997, Christoph Lameter wrote: Other available packages also for new maintainers: syslinux Boot loader for Debian Disks Sorry, but *I* am the maintainer of `syslinux', and I don't want to orphan it. So, I'll go on maintaining it, if noone objects. -- Juan Cespedes -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
new GTK+ release
There is a new GTK+ release 0.99.0 . This is coordinated with the upcoming GIMP 0.99.16 release. Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
/sbin/hwclock and /etc/init.d/boot
I have the 2.7.1-2 version of util-linux installed. It appears that the /sbin/clock program is no longer available as it has been replaced by /sbin/hwclock. However, there is still a part of /etc/init.d/boot that calls clock to set up the hardware clock and system clock correspondence. # # Set and adjust the CMOS clock. # if [ ! -f /etc/adjtime ] then echo 0.0 0 0.0 /etc/adjtime fi clock -a $GMT I may have missed an update to /etc/init.d/boot somewhere along the line. In fact, I am almost sure I have because now I don't even have /etc/init.d/boot. I have -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7305 Sep 30 12:50 /etc/init.d/boot.OLD -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6680 Feb 13 1997 /etc/init.d/boot.dpkg-old -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7275 May 16 1997 /etc/init.d/boot.kbd-saved My immediate problem is that I have the hardware clock set to GMT and my system clock is never getting set to the local timezone. I think I will also have a problem the next time I reboot because it looks as if /etc/init.d/boot will never get run. I would welcome suggestions on how to get my system back in synch. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /sbin/hwclock and /etc/init.d/boot
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Douglas Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have the 2.7.1-2 version of util-linux installed. It appears that the /sbin/clock program is no longer available as it has been replaced by /sbin/hwclock. However, there is still a part of /etc/init.d/boot that calls clock to set up the hardware clock and system clock correspondence. You need to install sysvinit-2.72-3, that fixes it. I may have missed an update to /etc/init.d/boot somewhere along the line. In fact, I am almost sure I have because now I don't even have /etc/init.d/boot. I have That's right. There should be a /etc/init.d/settime.sh file, and a link from /etc/rcS.d/S50settime.sh to that file. Note that this will be renamed to hwclock instead of settime in the next release.. My immediate problem is that I have the hardware clock set to GMT and my system clock is never getting set to the local timezone. This might have been a bug in sysvinit-2.72-1 or -2 I think I will also have a problem the next time I reboot because it looks as if /etc/init.d/boot will never get run. Doesn't matter, it isn't being used anymore. It has been replaced with the /etc/rsS.d stuff. Mike. -- Miquel van Smoorenburg | Studying to be a technomage * [EMAIL PROTECTED] | May you live in interesting times -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: RAS on an NT box.
On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote: I need to connect a Linux box to an NT server over a dial-up line. The NT box uses a Remote Access Server. I remember seeing a discussion of this recently, but can't find the reference in my mail archives. Can anyone clue me in as to what package/howto I need to look at to deal with this? You need to enable ms_chap in PPP --- see README.MSCHAP80 Thanks...read it. Is there any reason, besides the libraries that this hasn't been simply built into our standard ppp package? I am intending to make ppp generate a separate package (ppp-lite ?) so that I can make the main package depend on libpam and libdes (needed for ms_chap) without needing to put all that on the boot disks. How much bigger does it get if you static link libpam and libdes? There are a growing number of ISPs and corporate nets that use NT RAS for their remote entry needs. I just got a request for information on RAS from one of my clients, as well as a request for help from one of the purchasers of my book. (both of these after I asked about this on the list...time just doesn't work like it's supposed to) In the mean time, you'll need to grab the source and recompile it. BTW if ppp-lite gets installed on the boot disks, what do I need to do to make ppp get installed over the top of it --- is it just Replaces: ppp-lite If fundamental components of the package are different, you will need a conflicts: field as well. This will let dpkg remove the lite package and replace it, in toto, with the bulkier ppp package in the ppp package ? Cheers, Phil. P.S. I've never tried the NT RAS thing, so I'd like to hear how you get on. One thing that is not mentioned in the docs is what to set in the options file to enable chap. It does talk about the two options required for ms-chap, but I assume that you also need chap enabled? Thanks for all the help, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_-_- Author of The Debian User's Guide_-_-_-_-_-_-_- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 _-_-_-_-_-_- If you don't see what you want, just ask _-_-_-_-_-_-_- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I take debmake
On Sat, Dec 13, 1997 at 08:45:27PM +0100, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: [snip] I have taken over the maintenance of debmake (on a temporary basis). Some time ago, Ian said he was going to write a replacement for it, so I'm just going to keep debmake frozen and will fix bugs if I receive suitable patches. What about using debhelper rather than having another packaging suite? IIRC Ian said that debmake was broken in some respects and that Debian should have a decent packaging tool - IMO debhelper fits that nicely :-) The only complaint I have with packaging is that dpkg needs updating (as we all know). Some things that debhelper does like dh_du (diskspace usage) should be in dpkg-buildpackage instead. Adrian email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Debian Linux - www.debian.org http://www.poboxes.com/adrian.bridgett | Because bloated, unstable PGP key available on public key servers | operating systems are from MS -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I take debmake
Adrian Bridgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Dec 13, 1997 at 08:45:27PM +0100, Santiago Vila Doncel wrote: [snip] I have taken over the maintenance of debmake (on a temporary basis). Some time ago, Ian said he was going to write a replacement for it, so I'm just going to keep debmake frozen and will fix bugs if I receive suitable patches. What about using debhelper rather than having another packaging suite? IIRC Ian said that debmake was broken in some respects and that Debian should have a decent packaging tool - IMO debhelper fits that nicely :-) Maybe so, but lots of packages still use debmake. Santiago is kind enough to support it until they don't. Guy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Ray Dassen, read this!
Email to you is bouncing. --- Start of forwarded message --- Date: Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:10:44 +0100 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Leiden University, Dept. of Mathematics Computer Science, The Netherlands To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The original message was received at Sun, 14 Dec 1997 20:10:38 +0100 from [EMAIL PROTECTED] [153.34.71.163] - The following addresses had delivery problems - |IFS=' 'exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #jdassen (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - Transcript of session follows - 550 |IFS=' 'exec /usr/local/bin/procmail -f-||exit 75 #jdassen... User unknown - Original message follows - ... --- End of forwarded message --- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: I take debmake
Adrian Bridgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about using debhelper rather than having another packaging suite? IIRC Ian said that debmake was broken in some respects and that Debian should have a decent packaging tool - IMO debhelper fits that nicely :-) I don't believe that debhelper address one of Ian's main complaints at all. If I remeber correctly, that complaint was that when you use debmake (or debhelper), you end up with debian package source with non-deterministic behavior. Depending on the version of the packaging tool installed on the system you use to build the package, you may get a radically different resulting set of binaries. In addition (but less important), the current approach requires that you have the packaging tool package (debmake or debhelper) installed on the system where you're doing the build. Ian was proposing to fix these problems with a more automake/autoconfish apprach where the commands to build your package would reside within the package itself (rather than in /usr/bin via an external package), and there would be a higher level command (like autoconf) that when run would bring these embedded commands up to the current packaging tool standards. FWIW, I agree that Ian's objections are valid, and I think his approach should be preferred if someone gets the chance to implement it. (Sorry if I misrepresented your objection, Ian.) -- Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP fingerprint = E8 0E 0D 04 F5 21 A0 94 53 2B 97 F5 D6 4E 39 30 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Ray Dassen, read this!
On Dec 14, Guy Maor wrote Email to you is bouncing. Thanks, I just phoned Ray, he will have a word with his sysadmins in about 11 hours. -- Bart Schuller [EMAIL PROTECTED] At Lunalabs, where the Lunatech Research http://www.lunatech.com/ future is made today.. Partner of The Perl Institute http://www.perl.org/Linux http://www.li.org/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: /sbin/hwclock and /etc/init.d/boot
My immediate problem is that I have the hardware clock set to GMT and my system clock is never getting set to the local timezone. Do you see /etc/localtime when you type date +%Z ? If so, then I'd say that you ran in a bug with the timezones package. Just purge it and install it again Michel Walken LESPINASSE - Student at Ecole Centrale Paris (France) www email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] (o o)www : http://www.via.ecp.fr/~walken/ --oOO--(_)--OOo-- C0 9B E8 D8 44 43 D3 63 5A B4 BA 55 57 5B 19 6D Just say know finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for complete PGP key -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: revised proposed solution (was Re: Bug#15859: libc6 in stable is horribly broken)
On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, David Engel wrote: On Sat, Dec 13, 1997 at 11:47:50AM -0500, Scott K. Ellis wrote: On Sat, 13 Dec 1997, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: hamm: libc5-altdev, depends on hamm-libc5, OK. conflicts with bo-libc5-dev and hamm-libc6-dev, Unnecessary. provides (probably) libc5-dev Definitely not! libc5-dev implies that libc5 is the default compilation environment installed in /usr/include. Sorry, I must have been half asleep when I wrote the above. libc5-altdev doesn't have to conflict with either libc6-dev or libc5-dev because it is designed to live together with them. But if a non-conflicting libc6-dev and libc5-dev were installed, which would be the default? If I would write a simple 'hello world' program and type $ gcc hello.c -o hello then which libc would 'hello' be compiled against? Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Ray Dassen, read this!
Previously Bart Schuller wrote: Thanks, I just phoned Ray, he will have a word with his sysadmins in about 11 hours. This is (one of) Ray's sysadmins. The problem should be fixed by now. We seem to have had a corrupt NIS database. Wichert. -- == This combination of bytes forms a message written to you by Wichert Akkerman. E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.wi.leidenuniv.nl/~wakkerma/ pgpgM3wrQNbjI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Plan to package xscavenger
On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Hello all! I intend to package xscavenger, a lode runner like game (remember the good old commodore 64 days?). To be honest, I already did. I also contacted the author, and we work together on a new upstream release. The whole thing is GPL, and it includes a level editor and some dozen levels, sound and nice animations. Oh, you can create own animations, too. However, there is an issue with the sound server. It was taken from koules, and Hubicka took it from xgalaga. I will check this soon. As soon I become registered as a developer, I will upload my package. AFAIK, we already have a xscavenger package, which is maintained by Adrian Bridgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Remco -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Bug#988: `script' is insecure, and general tty insecurity
Hello, Mr. Nag. You've probably already been notified of this, but many of the URLs generated by this `nag' script are incorrect. For instance, you say: Nag == Nag [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The history of this bug can be found at: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/988.html or Should be: http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/98/988.html http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/debian/Bugs/db/988.html Likewise, should be: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/debian/Bugs/db/98/988.html .A. P. [EMAIL PROTECTED]URL:http://www.onShore.com/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: BS in rxvt+ncurses
I heard that the original DEC vt100? terminals had delete there and so they Nope. The VT100 *actually* had both keys there: +--++--++--+ |~`||BS||BK| +--++--++--+ +---++--+ | ||DL| | |+--+ +--+ |+--+ | RET ||\|| +--++--+ where RET was labeled RETURN, DL was labeled DELETE, BK was labeled BREAK, and BS was labeled BACK SPACE (one word above the other.) The arrow keys were a row of up down left right, with right directly above backspace. In the days of the vt100 (when dinosaurs roamed the machine room) backspace *meant* move the cursor back one space. It did *not* mean delete anything. This was compatible with printing terminals. It was often used for accents (e backspace ') or APL (quad backspace quote, but you needed a vt102 with the right character roms to handle that one.) In the former case, the OS (well, the front end processor actually) saw the e, echoed it, saw the backspace, echoed it, then saw the ' and echoed é (well, whatever the local terminal description had for that, it wasn't ISO8859-1 that early.) The point of this is only to provide a history lesson. I *don't* think that what a vt100 does is a particularly useful data point for this argument. (Also, I'm in favor of making Ian's detailed plan policy, just to end the arguments -- we've had thousands of messages (hundreds in the bugsystem alone) on the subject, without any otherwise notable progress.) _Mark_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Herd of Kittens Debian X Maintainer ps. Of course the behaviour in paragraph 2 has nothing to do with unix either; unix terminal handling is far too primitive for that. Long Live Multics :-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
FUN USE AND INSTALL DIRECTLY ON X WINDOW
Hi I use debian 1,3,1. for the future version de debian, it's possible in french ? it's possible to mask the password? ( all ) Why debian it's not installed directly with X Window ? X+ Excuse for my english, it's not correct Bye -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Is cp -a allowed in debian/rules?
Note also that the *shell* issue is hard because it's hardcoded into scripts in various ways, so you really need /bin/sh to work whatever it is -- the use of cp, however, can be dealt with by adding /usr/gnu/bin to your path :-) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: unstripped stuff in /usr/lib
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We could let the -dev versions of packages have diversions of the libraries to unstripped versions, and have the runtime versions have stripped versions. Since most of the times -dev packages are needed to compile only (headers and the symlink from lib.so), I think it'd be better to put unstripped libraries on a separate -dbg package (as lib_d.a). Those libs are easily 10 times the size. Usually we have: runtime pkg:shared lib stripped with --strip-unneeded develop pkg:static lib stripped with --strip-debug debug pkg: static lib unstripped I'm not sure on what to do for shared unstripped libs (are they supported by gdb, now?) Fabrizio -- | [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] | Pluto Leader - Debian Developer Happy Debian 1.3.1 User - vi-holic | 6F7267F5 fingerprint 57 16 C4 ED C9 86 40 7B 1A 69 A1 66 EC FB D2 5E -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Plan to package xscavenger
On Sun, Dec 14, 1997 at 10:32:51PM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Hello all! I intend to package xscavenger, a lode runner like game (remember the good old commodore 64 days?). AFAIK, we already have a xscavenger package, which is maintained by Adrian Bridgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] . This is fun, I first installed a local version of my package, which is version 1.3.1-2 by now, because I cleaned the sources. It gives only 5 warnings compiled with -Wall, the orig source gave me a few hundred. Adrian: Please take a look at my homepage: http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/scavenger.html You can find version 1.3.1 there, which will soon become the new upstream version, I discuss the last things with the author (did you ever mail him? He didn't know that there exist a debina packet of scavenger). Seems that I am a few days to late, I will look for another task... Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Debian GNU/Linux Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: Plan to package xscavenger
On Mon, Dec 15, 1997 at 12:20:10AM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: On Sun, Dec 14, 1997 at 10:32:51PM +0100, Remco Blaakmeer wrote: On Sun, 14 Dec 1997, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: Hello all! I intend to package xscavenger, a lode runner like game (remember the good old commodore 64 days?). AFAIK, we already have a xscavenger package, which is maintained by Adrian Bridgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] . This is fun, I first installed a local version of my package, which is version 1.3.1-2 by now, because I cleaned the sources. It gives only 5 warnings compiled with -Wall, the orig source gave me a few hundred. ... and therefore dselect didn't show me the xscavenger package 1.3-1 from adrian. Sorry for that. Can one specify local/games to prevent this? Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Debian GNU/Linux Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: FUN USE AND INSTALL DIRECTLY ON X WINDOW
On Sun, Dec 14, 1997 at 11:53:07PM +0100, TABLEAU wrote: Hi I use debian 1,3,1. for the future version de debian, it's possible in french ? Maybe. Some people are working on internationalization and localization. However, it is a big task. If you want to help, mail to debian-i18n@lists.debian.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED] it's possible to mask the password? ( all ) If you mean shadow passwords, then use shadowconfig on. Why debian it's not installed directly with X Window ? Because some people have computers, that can not run Xwindows or they simple don't want it because it is too slow. Debian will have an install tool (deity), that supports console and X, but it is not released yet. X+ Excuse for my english, it's not correct No problem. Please use for further questions the debian user list, [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can subscribe with subscribe in the body of a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Marcus -- Rhubarb is no Egyptian god. Debian GNU/Linux Marcus Brinkmann http://www.debian.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://homepage.ruhr-uni-bochum.de/Marcus.Brinkmann/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
Re: FUN USE AND INSTALL DIRECTLY ON X WINDOW
TABLEAU wrote: Hi I use debian 1,3,1. for the future version de debian, it's possible in french ? Some people are working on internationalisation - see http://www.debian.org/international.html it's possible to mask the password? ( all ) ?? Why debian it's not installed directly with X Window ? It is too complicated, and too likely to go wrong. Install the basic system first. When that is working, install X. X+ Excuse for my english, it's not correct Je n'ai pas compris tout ce que vous avez ecrit. Ecrivez moi seul encore une fois en francais. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROTECTED] Isle of Wight http://www.lfix.co.uk/oliver PGP key from public servers; key ID 32B8FAA1 Unsolicited email advertisements are not welcome; any person sending such will be invoiced for telephone time used in downloading together with a £25 administration charge. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .
