Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Troup wrote: They don't compile from freshly unpacked source. How odd. Other maintainer must work substantially differently than I, then. If you're building foobar 1.1-3, do you really recompile from a freshly unpacked

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Really? I use cvs, and hence all my packages are indeed built from scratch. I was under the impression that more and more people are etting converted to CVS, but I guess that is wishful thinking. Well I don't use cvs, but my hand-crafted version control and

Re: Debian 2.[01] -- Only rudimentary support for Laptops?

1998-10-16 Thread John Lapeyre
On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: kushni kushniIf there were some Debian oriented database, where one could kushniadd his experience about installation of Debian on some kushniunusual hardware, I would add mine about ThinkPad 380XD. THERE IS ! FAQ-O-MATIC !

Re: Which PGP?

1998-10-16 Thread Richard Braakman
Joseph Carter wrote: Dpkg now does support gpg though not by default (you might have still been away at the time this came up) and it was planned to modify dinstall to support both. Did the dinstall mod not happen or something? Indeed not. It turned out that gpg was not consistent enough in

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-16 Thread John Lapeyre
On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Stephen Crowley wrote: crowThat is ridiculous, there is no reason to remove gnome before the freeze, if you FWIW, one of the slashdot commenters on the slink-freeze, commends slink for including gnome ( he did install the packages, too) . John Lapeyre [EMAIL

Re: moving mutt-i from non-us to main

1998-10-16 Thread john
Marc Singer writes: I was under the impression that putting hooks in to use crypto was enough to raise the hackles of the export hounds. Standing near the border and thinking about prime numbers is enough to raise the hackles of the export kooks. Ihere has got to be some limit to the amount of

Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-16 Thread John Lapeyre
On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Michael Meskes wrote: meskesOn Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 12:19:30PM -0400, Brian White wrote: meskes libmagick4-dev19332 libmagick: ldconfig-symlink-before-shlib-in-deb LI#67 [217] ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott K. Ellis)) meskes meskesI wish I would understand a message like

Re: Gnome 0.30 fix?

1998-10-16 Thread Martin Alonso Soto
This is characteristic of reading and writing outside of array bounds. (as determined by malloc) I linked it with Electric Fence. It didn't report anything though... M. S. Martin A. Soto J. Profesor Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y

Re: Debian 2.[01] -- Only rudimentary support for Laptops?

1998-10-16 Thread Alexander Kushnirenko
Hi, John! Thanks for reminding me about that. Part of the reason I forgot is that there is no direct link to it from main Web page. Perhaps FAQ-O-Matic deserved it's place on Main page. Sasha. kushni kushniIf there were some Debian oriented database, where one could kushniadd his

glibc 2.1 (test release 2.0.98) for i386 (was: Re: The freeze and IMMINENT 2.2.0p1!!)

1998-10-16 Thread Joel Klecker
At 21:19 +0200 1998-10-10, Marco d'Itri wrote: On Oct 09, J.H.M. Dassen Ray\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can see pcmcia (28-Sep-98 is needed) and netutils (so that IPv6 is supported), but not a lot of packages. IIRC, libc6 doesn't support IPv6; you need a beta version for that. So this is only an

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
James Troup wrote: Who said they were bad? You did. A few days ago you agreed that bin-only NMU's were not ideal. I can't dig it up right now. They are very rarely necessary however, since 99.5% of the time (the only exception I know of is Hartmut's packages) i386 packages are already

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Hartmut Koptein wrote: 1. binary-only NMUs breaks policity Probably. 2. every NMU must be with source I hope. 3. Porters needn't to ask maintainers for permission No-one has to ask for permission for a NMU. That's the point of a NMU. You file a bug, you wait a reasonable time, if

bug in xinit/startx or /etc/X11/Xsession?

1998-10-16 Thread Nick Cabatoff
At the top of /etc/X11/Xsession, a comment is given: # global Xsession file -- used by both xdm and xinit (startx) However, neither xinit or startx appear to be aware of its existence. Does anyone know whether this is a question of the comment being obsolete, ahead of its time, or simply wrong?

Re: moving mutt-i from non-us to main

1998-10-16 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 06:02:28PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was under the impression that putting hooks in to use crypto was enough to raise the hackles of the export hounds. Standing near the border and thinking about prime numbers is enough to raise the hackles of the export

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
Hmm, I think this is my first comment on this.. On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Tom Lees wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 02:29:04PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Are there any plans to merge this with apt? Seems gdselect has the frontend, and apt has the backend. Well, I could do with some apt in-built

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think this idea of 'lets quickly do something fast' is ill concieved and is ultimately going to hurt our image. I've looked at the latest version, it looks rather pretty, it's slightly more functional than dselect but that's about it.. It doesn't

Re: latest sysklogd broken?

1998-10-16 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 12:12:52AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: What do you mean by break? If you restart syslogd you have to restart some other programs as well (squid, teergrube, inn, named come to my mind.) Can you explain this? This doesn't sound very normal to me. Sure.

Re: latest sysklogd broken?

1998-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Avery Pennarun wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 12:12:52AM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: What do you mean by break? If you restart syslogd you have to restart some other programs as well (squid, teergrube, inn, named come to my mind.) Can you explain this? This doesn't sound

Re: Slink not installable from CDs

1998-10-16 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 06:48:24PM +0200, Martin Schulze wrote: Enrique Zanardi wrote: Are we going to include apt in the base system? Its package ordering feature (and a few others) obsoletes the other methods, but currently apt doesn't work with mountable media. A multi-cdrom-apt

Re: Slink not installable from CDs

1998-10-16 Thread Avery Pennarun
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 11:39:28AM -0700, David Welton wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 08:31:59PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote: What would you like to see on the first CD? Why don't we look at what the most popular downloads have been? Some Perl/Python type person ought to be able to

Re: Slink not installable from CDs

1998-10-16 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Avery Pennarun wrote: That said, multi-CD support in APT would make me an extremely happy camper... This is being worked on, it's a bit of a tricky problem and got caught up in the Big Rewrite : So it will take a bit to arrive, maybe before release, depending how long the

Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-16 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Martin Schulze wrote: I vote for leave them in. I feel much in favour of presenting them to the world. Basically they work. rantPlease remove gnome, esp. gnome-freecell and gnome-mahjong. My productivity has severly dropped since I discovered them. They are just too darned good and

Re: Intend to package, create OSS/Free

1998-10-16 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hmm. The revision can be passed through the env var DEBIAN_REVISION, and possibly pcmcia is aware of that and uses that? From what I saw pcmcia parses $(KSRC)/debian/changelog to get the correct version. And since make-kpgd didn't pass the Debian

Re: bug in xinit/startx or /etc/X11/Xsession?

1998-10-16 Thread Nick Cabatoff
Replying to one's own message on the same day... sign of not enough research having been done on my part. Sorry; here's the update: On Oct 15, Nick Cabatoff wrote: At the top of /etc/X11/Xsession, a comment is given: # global Xsession file -- used by both xdm and xinit (startx) However,

Re: Slink not installable from CDs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Avery Pennarun wrote: I can whip up something like that if someone can feed me the FTP statistics. One set of stats is available at http://www.lh.umu.se/~bjorn/linux/debian/toplist.packagesnoversion.txt that's only for one ftp mirror, though. -- see shy jo

Secure Locate 1.2 (findutils?)

1998-10-16 Thread Brian Ristuccia
Anyone give any thought to packaging Secure Locate 1.2? Is there any way to package this without it conflicting with the standard locate provided in findutils? This seems like a much better way to enhance privacy without running updatedb as nobody and thus making users unable to 'locate' files in

Re: Secure Locate 1.2 (findutils?)

1998-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
If the package replaces the utilities from findutils and is commandline compatible, you might want to find out how dpkg-divert and update-alternatives work. I'd vote for update-alternatives. In any case please negotiate with the findutils maintainer. Regards, Joey Brian Ristuccia

APT 0.1.7 released!

1998-10-16 Thread Ben Gertzfield
The APT team is proud to announce release 0.1.7 of the next-generation packaging tool, APT, which enables users to easily upgrade their whole system of Debian GNU/Linux packages to the latest versions on the world-wide network of Debian HTTP and FTP mirrors. This release covers a few issues with

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread warp
Ok, fine, then please insert a pointer to the patchs in the description, Sorry for that.. But that still leaves the rest of my argument fully intact, and someone stated in past messages that they sent the patchs directly to the maintainer and NOT through the BTS, for a binary only NMU.

Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Schulze wrote: I brought it up already but nobody jumped on. Great, this time people were sensitively watching. Slink currently cannot be installed on a single-cd system using cd images. Everybody agrees? Heiko Schlittermann has written a new dselect installation method that

Re: Which PGP?

1998-10-16 Thread Drake Diedrich
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:34:54PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:08:46PM +0100, Dave Swegen wrote: Out of curiosity, which version of PGP is the debian de facto standard. I'm currently using v5, but I've seen a number of people use 2.6... The Debian standard is

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Ben Gertzfield
All I can say, Joey and Heiko, is congratulations. :) Debian's needed this for a long time, and now we've got it! :) Ben -- Brought to you by the letters D and O and the number 5. I wanna be Twist Barbie! -- Shonen Knife Debian GNU/Linux -- where do you want to go tomorrow?

Re: Slink not installable from CDs

1998-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Philip Hands wrote: So, slink is more than 760 Megabytes big for i386 machines. This does not fit on one single CD. This means that even without contrib, non-free, non-US etc. we already need two cds. This needs to be addressed quick! Heiko Schlittermann has written a new dselect

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Martin Schulze wrote: Heiko Schlittermann has written a new dselect installation method that supports multiple cds.[1] The reason why he hasn't uploaded it yet is that it depends on a hax0red version of dpkg-scanpackages to support a new field for each package CD

Can I create a sym-link in CVS?

1998-10-16 Thread Russell Coker
I know this question is slightly off-topic but I don't know where else to ask. There are some files which are required in multiple places in the CVS such as debian/kderules. When I find bugs in such files I'd like to fix them all at one go (otherwise I'll surely miss some and make things more of

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Martin Schulze wrote: Heiko Schlittermann has written a new dselect installation method that supports multiple cds.[1] The reason why he hasn't uploaded it yet is that it depends on a hax0red version of dpkg-scanpackages to support a

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Martin Schulze wrote: I don't much care for the notion of a single master package file on the first CD.. I rather was intending APT to read the package files from each CD and use that to determine what is on which CD. (This fits with the URI Please implement it.

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Tyson Dowd
On 16-Oct-1998, Martin Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason Gunthorpe wrote: I don't much care for the notion of a single master package file on the first CD.. I rather was intending APT to read the package files from each CD and use that to determine what is on which CD. (This fits with

Re: [warp@whitestar.soark.net] Bug#27841: apt: apt depends on a missing library

1998-10-16 Thread Dan Jacobowitz
On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:56:56PM -0700, Ben Gertzfield wrote: Dan == Dan Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dan See, it's not Is anyone going to? or Do we agree we Dan should? right now. It's does anyone but Dan have the time Dan to look at http://master.debian.org/~dan and

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Jason Gunthorpe
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Tyson Dowd wrote: There is no reason why the X-Media field has to be in the Packages files on the CD -- that information could be stored by the multi-cd method when it reads in the CD info. Indeed, why don't we do that instead of complicating the CD making process with a

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Martin Schulze
Jason Gunthorpe wrote: On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Tyson Dowd wrote: There is no reason why the X-Media field has to be in the Packages files on the CD -- that information could be stored by the multi-cd method when it reads in the CD info. Indeed, why don't we do that instead of

Re: [warp@whitestar.soark.net] Bug#27841: apt: apt depends on a missing library

1998-10-16 Thread Ben Gertzfield
Dan == Dan Jacobowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dan See, it's not Is anyone going to? or Do we agree we Dan should? right now. It's does anyone but Dan have the time Dan to look at http://master.debian.org/~dan and figure out why Dan the compiled libstdc++2.8 package whose

Re: octave-plplot: intention to package

1998-10-16 Thread John W. Eaton
On 15-Oct-1998, Joao Cardoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Rafael Laboissiere wrote: | | Hurrying before the slink freeze, here is my intention to package: | | Package: octave-plplot | Version: 0.3-1 [...] | [This will be a great improvement for Octave, IMHO.] | | Actually, I already

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Hartmut Koptein
3. Porters needn't to ask maintainers for permission No-one has to ask for permission for a NMU. That's the point of a NMU. You file a bug, you wait a reasonable time, if it's not closed, you do a MNU. ^^^ Ahhh! Now

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Brian == Brian White [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm not sure if it's a good idea to release them as a part of a stable distribution, as they really aren't. There aren't any guarantees that the stuff that runs today is going to run tomorrow. Brian I would agree with you. They should

Re: Intend to package, create OSS/Free

1998-10-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Wichert == Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Wichert From what I saw pcmcia parses $(KSRC)/debian/changelog to get the Wichert correct version. And since make-kpgd didn't pass the Debian revision Wichert I needed to parse that file anyway. So I just changed the regexp Wichert a

pgp = gpg

1998-10-16 Thread Chris Leishman
Hi all, At the moment I am using pgp2i, but I would like to try and change to gnupg. My question is - will I need to generate a new public/private key, or is it possible to use my pgp one with gnupg? I would really prefer to keep my old one, as otherwise I'll have to distribute a new key, not

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Michael == Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think this idea of 'lets quickly do something fast' is ill concieved and is ultimately going to hurt our image. I've looked at the latest version, it looks rather pretty, it's

Re: Deleting uncompressed Info/Doc files at upgrades

1998-10-16 Thread Stephane Bortzmeyer
On Thursday 15 October 1998, at 17 h 31, the keyboard of Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. We have zless to less gz'd files. Magicfilter will print them, as will a2ps (maybe some others will too, haven't tried it.) Netscape reads ... will grep them. vim reads them just fine. I'm

Re: pgp = gpg

1998-10-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 04:06:18PM +1000, Chris Leishman wrote: At the moment I am using pgp2i, but I would like to try and change to gnupg. My question is - will I need to generate a new public/private key, or is it possible to use my pgp one with gnupg? Technically it is possible to use

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-16 Thread Craig Sanders
On 16 Oct 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: If we are going to staret removing packages because of the quality of the software, wonderful. I move to remove all traces of the travesty of editors, vi, from Debian, since obviously as editors they are less than alpha quality software. and we should

Re: Deleting uncompressed Info/Doc files at upgrades

1998-10-16 Thread Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 08:51:45AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: emacs M-x toggle-auto-compression M-x auto-compression-mode depending on your Emacs. Somebody will probably know how to put this into a .emacs. My Elisp is quite ... rusty. Antti-Juhani -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho

Re: Debian 2.[01] -- Only rudimentary support for Laptops?

1998-10-16 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 02:40:38PM -0500, Alexander Kushnirenko wrote: Hi, I have an IBM ThinkPad 380XD. I have found that 2.0.x kernels just don't work properly, my machine will crash or shutdown during boot. I believe that the best thing that can be done to support laptops is to

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Heiko Schlittermann
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 02:39:38PM +1000, Tyson Dowd wrote: : : There is no reason why the X-Media field has to be in the Packages : files on the CD -- that information could be stored by the multi-cd : method when it reads in the CD info. ... but not, if the first CD contains all packages files

Help needed

1998-10-16 Thread mummertpartner_meskesm
Is there anyone out there who could do an upload for me? I have a new better iceconf package ready for upload but I´m sitting on a mail-only account. So I could mail the package to someone who then copies it to incoming on master. Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes | Th.-Heuss-Str. 61,

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread Joey Hess
Hartmut Koptein wrote: Ahhh! Now you have it! This is very bad! Because: low on time, low on hd space, low brain :-), and so on ... Forget it then. This is not possible. (Reminder: porters (i) talk about 200 packages, and after my list 'work for developers' only two people get in

Re: Sources consisting of multiple tarballs

1998-10-16 Thread Stuart Lamble
On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 01:56:06PM +1000, Stuart Lamble wrote: The bootstrap compiler is distributed (mostly) as assembler source, so they're clearly platform dependant. The sources for the rest of the system are distributed as Modula 3 source code, so they're clearly platform

1FA: problem still in hamm disks

1998-10-16 Thread Duncan Thomson
i've seen postings about this before, but as yet no solution (either as a message or in the boot disks). when debian is made bootable from the hard disk on certain systems, the prompt 1FA: comes up, but the system will not boot off partition 1. the disk controller is AHA-2940. any solutions

Bug with xv?

1998-10-16 Thread Chris Leishman
Hi all, I was just working away on my machine, and using xv to display the latest results from my raytracing project. The pic came out too small, and so I went to press shift '' to zoom it up, only I missed and hit shift ''. Low and behold my xserver crashed. I've since tested and found that

Wrong dependencies for a single deb: How to reupload ?

1998-10-16 Thread Gregor Hoffleit
Probably a pretty dumb question: dpkg-shlibdeps got the dependencies wrong for a single deb in the python package (tkstep8.0 instead of tk8.0). The package is already DONE; is it possible to reupload just that single python-tk with a fixed control file and the same revision, or do I have to

Re: 1FA: problem still in hamm disks

1998-10-16 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 09:18:23AM +, Duncan Thomson wrote: i've seen postings about this before, but as yet no solution (either as a message or in the boot disks). when debian is made bootable from the hard disk on certain systems, the prompt 1FA: comes up, but the system will not boot

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-16 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, Doesn't the version number convey the alpha nature to people? Like, it isn't even version 1.0? Anyway, seeing that it is the maintainer who is asking for the removal, and the fact that I am not that much of a GNOME user (I fail to see the point, so far), I withdraw my

Re: Wrong dependencies for a single deb: How to reupload ?

1998-10-16 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 10:19:22AM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: Probably a pretty dumb question: dpkg-shlibdeps got the dependencies wrong for a single deb in the python package (tkstep8.0 instead of tk8.0). Hi, I am the maintainer of tkstep. Can you please make your package to depend on

Re: login time limits in slink???

1998-10-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 12:21:06PM -0400, Mitch Blevins wrote: FWIW - I have the same problem. No idled. No logoutd. No lines in /etc/porttime. Still get booted off the console after several hours. Perhaps it's your shell; tcsh has auto-logout functionality. Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt

Re: Debian 2.[01] -- Only rudimentary support for Laptops?

1998-10-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:52:12PM -0400, Seth M. Landsman wrote: Hmm, I'm going to have to add a negative data point here. Debian installed almost perfectly on my laptop (a Gateway 2300SE) right off of a CD. I did have to recompile the kernel for APM stuff and pcmcia utilities, which

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 04:02:41PM -0500, Stephen Crowley wrote: That is ridiculous, there is no reason to remove gnome before the freeze, if you dont like it dont use it. There are several programs that wont run without it, including GtkICQ which is about the only usuable icq replacement

Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:46:58PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: While you're all on this thread, what about mozilla? The current Debian package doesn't work with the current libc (#27181, severity: grave). I was going to ask Brian for an extension for mozilla as I won't make 00:00 Saturday

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 05:29:11PM -0500, Havoc Pennington wrote: Whether or not a program sucks or is alpha has never been a criteria for inclusion or noninclusion in Debian, as far as I know. Debian evaluates only the quality and policy conformance of the *package*, not the *packaged

notebook infra red driver needed

1998-10-16 Thread mummertpartner_meskesm
Does anyone know where to find the patches for the infra red serial port? At least I think there are patches floating around somewhere Michael -- Dr. Michael Meskes | Th.-Heuss-Str. 61, D-41812 Erkelenz | Go SF49ers! Senior-Consultant | business: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Go Rhein Fire!

Re: Deleting uncompressed Info/Doc files at upgrades

1998-10-16 Thread warp
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 05:31:10PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: snip Hmm. We have zless to less gz'd files. zless nothing, a simple lesspipe.sh works great, for bigger stuff a not so simple lesspipe.sh (Can give a real complete one if you want, its what I use) works GREAT... Gives file listings

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Tyson Dowd
On 16-Oct-1998, Heiko Schlittermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 02:39:38PM +1000, Tyson Dowd wrote: : : There is no reason why the X-Media field has to be in the Packages : files on the CD -- that information could be stored by the multi-cd : method when it reads in the

Re: Removing Gnome [was: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1]

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Meskes
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 02:24:53PM -0700, Marc Singer wrote: IMHO it is not appropriate to ship beta software under the guise of release software. If it is really desirable to ship gnome, it sould be categorized as ALPHA and installed only when a user explicitly requests it. I wonder what

Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Meskes
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:46:58PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: While you're all on this thread, what about mozilla? Please keep it in, too. This one's another major visibility package for free software. I was going to ask Brian for an extension for mozilla as I won't make 00:00 Saturday GMT,

Re: freetype1 is gone from slink, imagemagick still depends on it

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Meskes
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 02:39:05PM -0700, Philippe Troin wrote: Will try to do an upload before the freeze. Which brings me to a general question. Let's say I maintain software A version 1.0 and it has open bugs during freeze. Then shortly after it I find time to look at it and find that version

Re: Et voila! (was: Re: Slink not installable from CDs)

1998-10-16 Thread Heiko Schlittermann
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 09:10:20PM +1000, Tyson Dowd wrote: : On 16-Oct-1998, Heiko Schlittermann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 02:39:38PM +1000, Tyson Dowd wrote: : : : : There is no reason why the X-Media field has to be in the Packages : : files on the CD -- that

Re: what's after slink

1998-10-16 Thread warp
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:45:49PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote: On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 03:29:34PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: theone wrote: Names after Slink is very simple. They should just be named after userfriendly characters. Oooh.. that means our releases would even have their

Re: freetype1 is gone from slink, imagemagick still depends on it

1998-10-16 Thread J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 08:56:02AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote: Which brings me to a general question. Let's say I maintain software A version 1.0 and it has open bugs during freeze. Then shortly after it I find time to look at it and find that version 1.4 has been out already which among

Re: Wrong dependencies for a single deb: How to reupload ?

1998-10-16 Thread Stephen J. Carpenter
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 10:19:22AM +0200, Gregor Hoffleit wrote: Probably a pretty dumb question: dpkg-shlibdeps got the dependencies wrong for a single deb in the python package (tkstep8.0 instead of tk8.0). The package is already DONE; is it possible to reupload just that single

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Tom Lees
On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 05:52:59PM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote: Hmm, I think this is my first comment on this.. On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Tom Lees wrote: On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 02:29:04PM -0700, Joey Hess wrote: Are there any plans to merge this with apt? Seems gdselect has the

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Michael Stone
Quoting Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Michael == Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think this idea of 'lets quickly do something fast' is ill concieved and is ultimately going to hurt our image. I've looked at the latest

Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-16 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Let's look a bit further at those bugreports.. balsa 27726 balsa cannot be run [0] ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ole J. Tetlie)) balsa 27894 balsa is linked against ancient version of gtk [0] ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ole J. Tetlie)) A new balsa has already been uploaded

Re: PROPOSAL: one debian list for all porting efforts

1998-10-16 Thread John Goerzen
Agreed. To think otherwise is silly. As I am about to swith to Alpha, I have a conern: I maintain some dozen or so packages, currently under i386. There are people that go around compiling all the i386 stuff for the other archs. But nobody goes around compiling the stuff from the other archs

Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1

1998-10-16 Thread Kenneth Scharf
thread... == It's alpha software, but it's free and doesn't break your system. Let's ship it. If we are going to remove all packages which are buggy, we have to ship an empty CD ROM. Bug free software doesn't seem to exist per definition

Debian Emacs breaks GPL?

1998-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs X-Mailing-List: debian-devel@lists.debian.org archive/latest/16743 [Want to know how Debian violates the GPL all the time? Check how many GPLed packages in Debian have modifications

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Brandon Mitchell
On Fri, 16 Oct 1998, Michael Stone wrote: Michael Perhaps an incremental approach is good: a good gui for the Michael existing product in this release, other features in other Michael releases. Maybe apt will be better, but we haven't seen it Michael yet (referring to the UI). Apt's

Re: Sources consisting of multiple tarballs

1998-10-16 Thread Marcus . Brinkmann
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 06:26:38PM +1000, Stuart Lamble wrote: On Sat, Oct 10, 1998 at 01:56:06PM +1000, Stuart Lamble wrote: Couldn't you extract the arch dep parts in different subdirectories and move them to the correct place in the debian/rules file just before building? So you

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Michael == Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think this idea of 'lets quickly do something fast' is ill concieved an d is ultimately going to hurt our image. I've looked at the latest version,

what is non-free in this license?

1998-10-16 Thread Jakob Borg
I may be clueless, but could someone explain to me why this license is automatic ticket to non-free? quote 6. Legal This software can be used freely for any purpose. It can be distributed freely, as long as it is not sold commercially without permission from Tomislav Uzelac [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread James Troup
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hartmut Koptein wrote: 1. binary-only NMUs breaks policity Probably. Wrong. -- James

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread James Troup
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you're building foobar 1.1-3, do you really recompile from a freshly unpacked foobar_1.1-3.dsc? Yes. Congratulations; you're in the minority. Binary-only and normal NMU's are the same thing, No they're not. Why do you insist on this

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread James Troup
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Each day you autobuild say, 30 packages from Incoming. Building (especially auto-building) packages from Incoming is a bad idea, please don't encourage it. -- James

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread James Troup
Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James Troup wrote: Who said [binary-only NMU's for i386] were bad? You did. No, I said binary-only NMUs as a whole were not ideal; I didn't say anything about binary-only NMU's for i386. Please try to stick to the facts. They are very rarely

Re: Deleting uncompressed Info/Doc files at upgrades

1998-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
I wrote: It occurs to me that upgrading a package should delete old versions of user-uncompressed doc and info files. Santiago Vila wrote: The package system is not supposed to read your mind. You should never uncompress files in place because then dpkg will be unable to remove the

Re: Debian Emacs breaks GPL?

1998-10-16 Thread Marcus . Brinkmann
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 09:20:02AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: James Troup [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs X-Mailing-List: debian-devel@lists.debian.org archive/latest/16743 [Want to know how Debian violates the GPL

Re: Secure Locate (findutils?)

1998-10-16 Thread Robert Woodcock
[Cc'd to debian-devel and the findutils maintainer] In debian-devel, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone give any thought to packaging Secure Locate 1.2? Yeah, I posted an intent to package about the same time you posted this. BTW, at least version 1.3 is out now. Is there any way to package this

Re: gdselect alpha 3

1998-10-16 Thread Tom Lees
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 09:48:18AM -0400, Peter S Galbraith wrote: Manoj Srivastava wrote: Hi, Michael == Michael Stone [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael Quoting Jason Gunthorpe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): I think this idea of 'lets quickly do something fast' is ill concieved an d

Re: Debian Emacs breaks GPL?

1998-10-16 Thread Peter S Galbraith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Want to know how Debian violates the GPL all the time? Check how many GPLed packages in Debian have modifications yet don't obey 2(a).] I think there should be a /usr/doc/emacs20/README.Debian what says that /usr/share/emacs/20.3/lisp/startup.el was

Re: Bug#27823: proftpd: non-maintainer upload (alpha) diffs

1998-10-16 Thread warp
On Fri, Oct 16, 1998 at 02:54:53PM +0100, James Troup wrote: Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip Are you trolling? As I've said 3 times already (at least): because they only affect one architecture. And because there are perfectly valid reasons to do binary-only NMUs (which you seem

Re: octave-plplot: intention to package

1998-10-16 Thread Joao Cardoso
Hi, I agree with the enclosed copyright notice. Octave's author also has no objections. Please correct, if still possible, my e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks, Joao Rafael Laboissiere wrote: Ola Joao, Thanks for your prompt reply. > "JC" == Joao Cardoso [EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

apache-ssl 1.3.3+1.27-1 depends on libssl09

1998-10-16 Thread Thomas Lakofski
...and as of yet, no libssl09 on non-us.debian.org. (there's a 180 day old bug report on this one) -Thomas

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