to be the name a real package, which was replaced between etch
and lenny by linux-libc-dev. There is one remaining reverse-dependency
(libkxl0-dev, #724639) which would need to be fixed first.
Any objections?
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to remove it, unless both vesa and fbdev
also fail on this hardware.
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drop support for perfectly usable machines,
but most of those 32-bit Macs are soon going to be too slow or too
broken for practical use (if they aren't already).
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If the dpkg maintainers refuse to make a decision then you should go to
the technical committee. Hopefully that will not be necessary.
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need to be prepared for, and so far
I haven't seen any official information.
This might also be relevant
here:
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This change is still under discussion.
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then, and I don't know whether the
vzctl package is ready to work with mainline kernels.
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then if you do not trust containers then the best choice is to
use openvz with Parallel's 2.6.32 kernel.
Right, and wheezy userland should generally work with that kernel.
(It's not something that I've tested, though.)
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On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 22:16 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote:
On 10/24/2013 06:46 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 11:59 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 09:11:30AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 02:09:46AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote
On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 15:41 -0700, Mark Symonds wrote:
No, no, no… drop GNOME.
Useless anyway.
1. Don't top-post.
2. Assume good faith.
3. This list is for discussion of Debian development, not for random
opinions.
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hope to see a more detailed report in LWN within the next
few days.
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worth porting, work around Linux-isms as necessary, improve integration
with their own kernel, and release on their own schedule - rather than
trying to make all the crap in Debian build. (Remember, 90% of
everything is crap.)
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optionally run in a new network namespace.
Ben.
If you use lxc-start instead of systemd-nspawn, does your Fedora image work?
Last I knew, the answer was no.
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part of, nor that they will continue to distribute the Contribution.
Since the contributor, retaining copyright, can give that license to
anyone anyway, this condition doesn't appear to have any meaningful
effect.
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by this issue.
They are affected by that or a very similar issue, as demonstrated by Jo
Shields recently: http://apebox.org/wordpress/rants/545/
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On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 15:12 +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 01:57:39PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Fri, 2013-11-29 at 09:22 +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
Some precision about the MIPS machines:
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 09:04:56PM +0100, Niels Thykier wrote
to answer
from experience.
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package, given that you already have a binary package split between the
Essential: yes procps-base and the Essential: no procps?
[...]
Discussed here:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/185723/focus=185725
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majority of Debian systems will continue to have it installed and
it will just result in a stream of RC bugs because of undeclared
dependencies.
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A. I don't know and I couldn't care less.
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On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 07:07:54PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote:
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On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 13:22:27 -0800, Steve Langasek vor...@debian.org
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host could detect and
run a Xen-aware GRUB in domU automatically (with pv-grub as a
fallback).
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library with sane default behaviour. OpenSSL or GnuTLS seem to have
failed us on both grounds, and I hope interested developers will
cooperate with the Fedora developers in making NSS usable by more
applications.
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that MySQL should not be the default MySQL.
Similarly,
wodim is not cdrecord
LibreOffice is not OpenOffice.org
Iceweasel is not Firefox
etc.
so clearly we should never have implemented an automatic transition from
one to the other...
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from those three desktop programs you
mentioned.
Yes, but perhaps it should not be.
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that identical binaries
can be built from source, but as you well know not all of the required
cross-compilers are packaged in Debian.
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On Fri, Dec 27, 2013 at 6:53 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
The firmware-linux-free maintainer has verified that identical binaries
can be built from source, but as you well know not all of the required
cross-compilers are packaged in Debian
.x kernel,
*the same* happens as I described here for debian 7.
[...]
You are also using a new version of the nvidia driver with this
kernel...
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A fail-safe circuit will destroy others
On Sat, 2013-12-28 at 17:13 -0600, Kathleen Spence wrote:
Hello,
Just wondering if there was any chance that pulseaudio could be
removed from trunk (any debain dist) and just go back to basic known
working good alsa?
Don't feed the troll!
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On Sun, 2013-12-29 at 01:57 -0100, René Kuligowski wrote:
On 28.12.2013 23:46, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sat, 2013-12-28 at 19:52 -0100, René Kuligowski wrote:
Hi Adrian,
Thanks for your quick answer,… but (sounds like a pouting little boy, I
know):
Sorry, but I cannot file
think this is an absurd interpretation. It is certainly not being
applied to linux-tools, where we have perf linked against libpython
linked against OpenSSL.
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that part of the Intel graphics stack
(could be userland or kernel) used ENOSPC to indicate that some GPU
resource was exhausted.
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of source packages.
What this means in practice is that libunwind8 cannot transition to
testing at least until ia64 is officially removed as a release
architecture. For now, make sure you build with libunwind7-dev.
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If the facts do not conform to your theory, they must be disposed
do hope that is not a usual solution, as it leaves libfile-rename-perl
auto-removable after the following release.
(Note that this isn't a problem for transitional packages, because APT
does not mark dependencies of packages in section 'oldlibs' as
auto-installed.)
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is in) from /proc any more.
Well, there is a proposal to add that to SCM_CREDENTIALS or another
auxiliary message that can be received through the socket.
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Disclaimer: this is from observation of systemd-204 on current Debian.
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Any sufficiently advanced bug
/ to resolve
this issue for every ALSA-only application.
Yes, this really should be present by default.
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that binary package
Or alternately:
- move just this config file into a new binary package, depending on
libasound2-plugins
- make pulseaudio recommend that binary package
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you can consider the name to be free.
I don't know whether the QA page will reset if you upload an entirely
new source package under the same name. If not, you may wish to choose
a different *source* package name.
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Everything should be made as simple as possible
is going to pay the patent and license fees for each Debian
installation which uses SystemD?
When is Oracle going to kill OEL?
Because if there is an OEL 7, and it's still a clone of RHEL, Oracle
will have to licence those patents to everyone without fee.
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to choose.
[...]
And this sort of attitude is why Skype has won.
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with a comprehensive error message.
That would be better, though not much better. You'll need either local
access or a remote serial console either to use the shell or to select a
fallback entry at the GRUB menu.
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The generation of random numbers is too important to be left
installation image in general.
[...]
* There were concerns about accessibility support, particularly for the
blind[2].
[...]
Which is unfortunately quite bad in most free graphical desktop
environments. Is it actually a strength of Xfce? I didn't think it
was.
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If you seem
.
That ship sailed long ago. :-/
Some BMCs (like recent iDRAC) run Linux which means there may be some
opportunity for an outside project to modify and improve their security.
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On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 09:23 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 3:22 AM, Ben Hutchings wrote:
That ship sailed long ago. :-/
Some BMCs (like recent iDRAC) run Linux which means there may be some
opportunity for an outside project to modify and improve their security.
Do
to add arm64 to src:linux with a
configuration that will run on at least a typical QEMU ARM64 emulation.
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On Sun, 2014-04-20 at 16:28 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
On Sun, 2014-04-20 at 16:13 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Sun, 2014-04-20 at 16:30 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 02:27:01AM +0100, Wookey wrote:
You may or may not have noticed that 'arm64' is coming. This a 64
source package.
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will be a later
version.
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On Wed, 2014-04-23 at 17:34 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 12:45:10PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Tue, 2014-04-22 at 22:41 +0200, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
[...]
The options I see are:
- Provide a source package based on src:linux that includes only the
grsec
should ask the glibc
maintainers debian-gl...@lists.debian.org how this works for x86 and
how it could translate to mips.
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On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 16:28 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Fri, 2014-04-25 at 16:39 +0800, Yunqiang Su wrote:
[...]
On mips64el system:
libc6-mips32 make /lib/ld.so.1 link to /lib/ld-2.18.so
(yes, quite strange, mips system asks for use /lib as o32
multilib path)
libc6
of the Developer's Reference.
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other module configuration file?
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? And the idea that vendors could
claim images made with their products (very likely with no explicit
action to use the profile) to be derivative works is appalling.
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Among economists, the real world is often a special case.
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and will miss the next release. The effect on end users is
not immediate (package is still in stable and unstable) but there is
breakage that other maintainers need to fix.
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Among economists, the real world is often a special case
is *so*
far down the bottom of the stack that adding a dependency on another
language could cause significant problems.
Why separate source packages and not multi-stage bootstrap where
make-guile is excluded from stage1?
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and reassign if the bug is still present in emacs24.
Alternately, ask whether it is still present and then reassign/close
depending on the response (or lack of response within a time limit).
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bugs happened in the Debian kernel package, and the kernel
currently in Jessie comes without nf_tables enabled [0].
[...]
Well it's fixed in unstable and will be fixed in jessie RSN.
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and there is no expectation that it will ever be worked on. I agree
that a non-maintainer should not take that decision, though.
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to be no repository for this package.
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dubious.
Less so than blundering on without entropy.
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On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 13:17 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
Ben Hutchings b...@decadent.org.uk writes:
On Wed, 2014-07-16 at 12:47 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
It would be nice to have a reliable kernel interface for getting
randomness rather than relying on proper chroot configuration
-architecture.
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On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 13:11 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
Ben Hutchings wrote:
Since Linux 2.6.29, you get 128 random bits at each execve(), which you
can access like this:
getauxval() is only in (e)glibc, not in dietlibc or klibc, though.
True, and it was only added in glibc 2.16. So
by this package, and the description should
be updated to reflect that.
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mode as well).
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On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:50 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:18 +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
In the above package the description reads:-
The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multiplatform
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 13:51 +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:05:11 Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
[...]
* As David observed upthread the list is bound to get out of date.
* The link between Supported
for this? (Annoyingly
514/tcp is assigned to a completely different protocol.)
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with regard
to
security. [...]
Still, it was affected by CVE-2013-6629.
[...]
11. License. IJG JPEG is under a plain permissive licence.
[...]
Both versions have something like an advertising clause (although it is
widely ignored).
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that change is specific to
libav or was also made in FFmpeg.
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CD
(rather than 2+ CDs or downloads) then Xfce would probably be the right
default DE for that single CD. I do not support making it the default
in general, though.
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branch is the one called
'trunk' (not 'master', as we're still using svn :-().
I doubt these are the only examples. If there's any question about
whether master targets unstable or experimental, that's a good reason to
be explicit and not use 'master' at all.
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LLVMpipe
is being used, so it is reasonably responsive.
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affected.
The Built-Using field should record that.
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On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 17:07 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 13:51 +0100, David Goodenough wrote:
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:05:11 Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote
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in jessie is failing
this principle.
The selection of default init system should be done via the Essential
packages *only*.
In that case, perhaps the alternate init systems should Recommend
systemd-shim?
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On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 17:29 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 04:43:01PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
No, they should add amd64 as a foreign architecture.
Should we do this by default for x32 in d-i? (Yes, I know d-i doesn't
support x32 in other ways yet, but we might
package
manager) might consider it preferable to install sysvinit-core and
systemd-shim. Has this been tested?
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On Fri, Sep 05, 2014 at 11:48:04PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 13:52 -0400, Zack Weinberg wrote:
Steve Langasek wrote:
No, that's not the true package relationship. There's no reason that
you should
for packaging.
[...]
How does git-debcherry cope with the overlapping changes when generating
debian/patches? What can you do if it fails to linearise the changes
(as, apparently, it may sometimes do)?
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On Wednesday, 10 de September de 2014 03:12:16 Ben Hutchings escribió:
On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 21:24 +0100, Noel Torres wrote:
On Tuesday, 9 de September de 2014 21:18:55 Tollef Fog Heen escribió:
]] Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez
priority telling them what is about to happen and
offering a bailout, is guaranteed to lose us reputation and users.
[...]
I do agree that at least some kind of high-priority notice is needed.
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It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa
(kernel/time/timeconst.bc).
Ben.
And yes, bc is also the primary interactive calculator,
for things beyond what $((…)) can do.
We've got python in priority:standard.
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that the commands in klibc-utils were missing some of the
necessary options to support this. An initramfs built without busybox
would not boot. These options have been implemented and initramfs-tools
version 0.118 has a versioned dependency to ensure they're supported.
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One of the nice
-rt. I don't believe we can support a forward-port of the
PREEMPT_RT patches by ourselves.
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years?
*ahem* CVE-2013-6462
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Maybe there is a trend to replace by
something else because it is not fashionable (new) enough.
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with an initramfs, a separate /usr partition should
continue to work indefinitely. But if you do not, you will probably
have to combine the partitions at some point in the future.
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GNOME fully working on all our architectures again, and
particularly MIPS laptop and desktop systems.
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contains a decryption
key for the partitions is mounted and the decrypt-key for /usr (and maybe
other partitions) is read and decrypted the needed partitions.
[...]
I don't know whether this works.
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software but I
agree that for packaged software systemd error logging should clearly
refer to both Debian and upstream sources for support.
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, though.
I don't even know how initramfs-tools will continue working after that
point.
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