Not interested in relitigating the past. But I cannot let you get
away with claiming that DAM has always been impartial. Good if this
has since changed, and you guys have put in place protocols to
ensure your own accountability.
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also sprach martin f krafft [2017-02-23 11:22 +1300]:
> I'm now taking this to a bug report:
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/855891
Read the gory details there, the gist is that David spotted my used
of
APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "true";
in the apt.conf.d files. The rest
y identified and should
also not happen on "upgrade" cf. manpage, no?
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"arthu
fortunately.
I just need it to come up with its static IPs on every boot and
ifupdown has been doing a fantastic job for years with that.
> Oh, and of course the standard reply: You know, apt does print
> a proposal not an EULA – so you don't have to press 'yes' without
> r
emove something?
Can I find out in hindsight (can't reproduce this) what might have
happened?
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ly and could be
ported.
¹) those were in part responsible for my lack of motivation to
publish a new edition.
I'll let you know.
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ts and how long
> since last fsck
Yeah, and I would like to avoid using such hacks in Debian.
http://bugs.debian.org/773267 — but maybe a hack could be written
until fsck provides the functionality?
Could you paste the script somewhere? I don't use Ubuntu.
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the first line (version).
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eleventh law of acoustics:
in a minimum-phase system ther
ly for a 2G /usr/local volume, or for
a 4Tb /srv filesystem.
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Do you know?
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"a woman begins by resisting a man'
are using dpkg-dev from jessie and you don't
> need to do anything other than generating your .dsc with dpkg-source
> as per usual.
I want to understand purpose and syntax of this new field.
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ncludes a Package-List field that also has
>an arch=* column. dpkg (>= 1.17.7) will include this.
Can we read up more on this somewhere?
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"it isn't pollution that's harming the environment.
it'
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: "martin f. krafft"
Package name: reclass
Version : 1.0
Upstream Author : "martin f. krafft"
URL : http://github.com/madduck/reclass
License : Artistic 2.0
Programming Lang:
ta, configuration or customization of the
> old machine behind.
Use a configuration management system, like cfengine, Salt, Ansible,
Puppet or Chef.
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> > change a winning team…
> the feature was introduced 08/2006 [1], which means is as old as
> backports without the flag.
NotAutomatic was, but I was talking about ButAutomaticUpdates, which
was introduced more than four years later.
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our of this change, and
your message pretty much sums up the reasons.
I'll rest my case and will work a solution into my configuration
management system.
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this is requiring an
additional step to get the behaviour that was default for years, and
which IMHO makes more sense too.
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l that more software goes through the backports archive because
of new features and updates that wouldn't pass our stable release
policy, than security fixes to previously backported software.
And yet, setting "ButAutomaticUpdates: yes" pretends that it's the
other way arou
or changes.
Ping me when the security team has 30 active members working 5 days
a week on Debian and I'll look into writing the dak patches. ;)
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configuration file format) to being born in an environment where
people still compile from source. ;)
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also sprach Vincent Bernat [2012.11.04.2033 +0100]:
> Trying with "ip monitor addr", it seems that the netlink notification is
> sent once the tentative flags has been removed.
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6 2001:db8::deb1:46/64 scope global tentative
Once DAD completes, the "tentative" goes away.
Programatically, I think that's checking the return of
getifaddrs(3), ifa_flags, for IFA_F_TENTATIVE.
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useful.
You are right. ntpd does this nicely, but then again it's gonna take
us years to make all upstreams implement this properly. Might be
worth to figure out an intermediate solution too.
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ote that 'v4' there is not a typo; this
> would actually affect both v4 and v6.)
Generally, one should not be able to bind() non-local sockets, don't
you think?
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also sprach Thomas Goirand [2012.11.03.1714 +0100]:
> Are the hooks in /etc/network/if-{down,post-down,up,pre-up} only
> for ipv4?
They run after bringing IPv6 interfaces up but most of the time
before DAD completed.
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"die zeit für k
.
I can now disable DAD, or insert "sleep 10" at the top of
/etc/init.d/unbound, but neither is an acceptable solution.
IPv6 has been a release goal for years and we are about to release
another Debian version that does not properly cater for IPv6.
What can be done?
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security standards to do anything about it, AFAICT.
>
> your point being?
That our users don't seem to care, and that probably is why we
haven't done anything about it.
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in use (i386 until 2005, amd64 since then) are built on
machines that are individually maintained according to widely
varying security standards to do anything about it, AFAICT.
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placing some file in /usr/include/libfm is pretty ugly,
> but I would still certainly not expect that upgrading the libfm
> package would remove it.
Do not mess with /usr, that is exclusively the domain of dpkg. Any
file you place there may well be overridden. Use dpkg-divert if you
sysadmins who could
host their own LUG list would be interested in helping the
listmasters. And should the hardware not be enough, then we can
probably find ways to upgrade it.
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also sprach Philipp Kern [2012.09.10.2109 +0200]:
> > openstreetmap-client?
>
> Aren't you poaching in "openstreetmap"'s namespace now? :)
x-openstreetmap-client? Or x-x-openstreetmap-client? ;)
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> Or, if this is tightened to OSM, 'gnome-osm-maps'.
except the 'm' on "osm" is already a "map", so maybe osm-client.
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I said fglrx — because its binary-only version caused regular
crashes and headaches for Linux users.
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tation,
I don't quite understand your point.
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the statement might sound
a little too much in favour of AMD. Nothing we can do about it now.
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ite it…
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quantum mechanics: t
cpcd also work.
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also sprach Olivier Sallou [2012.04.12.1352 +0200]:
> root@VM-247:# more /etc/cron.d/xgrid
> 0/5 * * * * root xgrid-graph >/dev/null 2>&1
You want */5 …
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debconf) and then firing off SQL
for those two, while the admin user is handled by dbconfig-common.
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also sprach Michael Welle [2012.04.01. +0200]:
> I just tried to report a bug. To show how one can reproduce
> the bug I needed an url, I chose www.foo.org for that purpose.
See RFC2606.
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atever comes first for mtime and mode), and *store the function
> [filename (or inode), size, mtime] => hash*, so that files not modified
> since last run are not hashed again.
Try backuppc or Git, both of which are designed not to require any
deduplication.
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also sprach Samuel Thibault [2012.03.02.1633 +0100]:
> > It can make your scripts a bit more readable for all users.
>
> Why?
Please, let's not get into this debate.
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odifies… no wait,
"choosing this option" only changes the in-memory state of some UI
widget and hitting enter then informs debconf…
It's good to see that Debian doesn't have any more pressing problems
to solve. ;)
I suggest to use words like "causes" or "yields"
uld deny a new package the opportunity to build a user base and
> possibly someday evolve to become the "vastly better" alternative
> itself.
Right, but I'd say it needs to be better and the maintainer needs to
be able to argue how it is better.
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ould be to obtain the package, integrate nerdtree,
and then create a patch that you submit to the BTS. You can even
reuse this bug report after retitling and reassigning it.
The place to get assistance for this is the debian-mentors mailing
list and/or IRC channel.
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also sprach Medhamsh [2011.12.24.0912 +0100]:
> Thanks! By the way I have started working on this and how
> do I get a mentor? Should I write to pkg-vim-maintainers?
Again, your plugin should not be a package of its own, but submitted
as a patch to vim-scripts.
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the v3c build framework.
Ok. I am still somewhat confused why the project v3c-dcom and v3c-qt
carry the name of the build framework in the package names, but
I suppose I would look at those packages' descriptions to find out
more.
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ackage provides a utility program to interact … and control
….
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also sprach Thomas Koch [2011.12.13.1121 +0100]:
> I couldn't find any version control system for this software and the
> versioning scheme seems weird.
What's weird? Are you missing a dot? All that matters is that it's
increasing. ;)
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is not about writing webpages that
are only read by "most of the new people".
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a grasp of the big picture. The community
managers in Ubuntu don't seem to care to inform new members (and
make sure existing members know) where Ubuntu is coming from.
Best of luck, and keep up the good work!
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make /tmp a tmpfs. However, I don't think that should be the
default (cf. RAMRUN, RAMLOCK).
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simply seems saner.
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people with
system later is not trivially possible. Or is it?
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n't expose
implementation details in the first place. The discussion at
http://www.spinics.net/lists/git/msg162549.html
is shaping up to be interesting.
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also sprach Thomas Koch [2011.07.29.1613 +0200]:
> I've attached a draft of a description of the workflow.
It would be good to put this onto the vcs-pkg-discuss mailing list.
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going to impose any form
of maintenance guidelines (but rather cooperatively establish
them…).
Anyone?
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excellent decisions and wonder, how much we have been dragged along
by "user-friendly distros" and slid off the track.
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also sprach Vincent Danjean [2011.03.31.0925 +0200]:
> Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown
> that is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think,
> this project did not finish. See this archives of
> netconf-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org for more
Git that prevent
me from unconditionally adovating it.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=topgit;exclude=tags:fixed;exclude=tags:fixed-upstream;exclude=tags:pending;exclude=tags:wontfix;exclude=pending:done;dist=unstable
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;)
0. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianThailand/MiniDebCamp2010
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n at
different points during the suspend process.
.
Currently the script supports all suspend mechanisms available through the
/sys/power/state interface (including ACPI suspend and the in-kernel software
suspend), as well as Software Suspend 2 (http://www.suspend2.net)
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http://madduck.net/blog/2008.06.20:auto-subscribing-to-debian-bugs-i-file/
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It will make mdadm uninstallable until it will be fixed to use blkid.
Thanks, Marco, for the heads-up, for uploading to experimental, and
for #541884.
I do not see myself in the position to work on mdadm in the next
weeks. NMUs (and co-maintainers) welcome. #537993
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I don't have time to do it myself.
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also sprach Maximiliano Curia [2009.08.03.1529 +0200]:
> distrodev.org seems to have died sometime around 2007, do you know
> if there is any "replacement" for this?
No, but maybe we can revive it? Would you write to the domain owner?
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. It doesn't matter where this repo will be
hosted, but I think in the long run, vcs-pkg.org or maybe
distrodev.org should have storage for those. vcs-pkg.org is on
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I'd love to see a detailed account of your workflow. I am failing to
wrap my head around how it would work and would appreciate being
able to learn from you.
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(multi-disk) arrays for software RAID or multipath I/O.
.
This package automatically configures mdadm to assemble arrays during the
system startup process. If not needed, this functionality can be disabled.
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that package? Would the chroot need to be clean of the build-deps?
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use, I thought piuparts had too high of a barrier of
entry/maintenance to be used by everyone. Am I completely wrong?
Can you estimate how many people are using it for their own packages
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0. http://phd.martin-krafft.net
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outer case so you don't have to hold it, and see if you can take
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a friend is
he submitted keys are
valid, an e-mail will be sent back to you and the key IDs will be
listed at http://people.debian.org/~anibal/ksp-dc9/names.html. If
you find an error write immediately to ani...@debian.org.
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person that we can prosecute and send
> to jail.
I challenged this and have not heard anything else. How exactly do
you think Debian would sue me, assuming I am in Switzerland, or
let's say Russia, Korea, or Senegal?
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red earlier, which raises the bar
a lot higher.
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"i believe that the moment is near when by a procedure
of acti
ds.
It's a bit like saying that every dog has to be on a leash, but the
thickness of the leash is left to the owner.
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a c prog
government ID or something that
> looks good enough to fool people is a compromise position, but
> I do think there's a general feeling that it's close to a sweet
> spot in that tradeoff for what we want out of our web of trust.
Alright, I agree that it's not as useless as
uck still
seems to accumulate data. Since I am snapshotting popcon data for my
research, I would appreciate to know when I have to change to
bellini.
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ake any such transition feasible in a future-proof
way.
Maybe we ought to concentrate on that first?
I think I am to blame a bit for adding to the fuel of the
postfix-exim4 debate with the doodle link, which just took us away
from the actual discussion. Sorry.
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have the policy on our side, we can be reasonably sure that none of
those default-* packages get provided more than once... and if they
did during a transition, well, it wouldn't actually harm...
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> How is that an improvement over Exim?
There are some of us that have a greater trust level into the
security and design of postfix.
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also sprach Marco d'Itri [2009.05.06.2338 +0200]:
> > Maybe we should also consider changing the default MTA to postfix?
> Agreed, it's about time.
http://doodle.com/exre35q7ckruyxpx
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also sprach martin f krafft [2009.05.05.1706 +0200]:
> spu:
> http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mdadm/mdadm.git;a=commitdiff;h=541c07a775104848ed99e2cb5935496c8718807a
Carsten correctly identified my failure to update the changelog, so
I give you also:
http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-mdadm/mda
dlibrarian.net/21235281/mdadm_2.6.7.1-1ubuntu4_2.6.7.1-1ubuntu5.diff.gz
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`- Debian - wh
ctions, I'll formulate a squeeze
release goal and file the bugs.
(updated mdadm coming to s-p-u on Thursday, are there other
comments?
http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/05/msg00024.html)
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of clinging to the NIH-behaviour,
reinventing the wheel, and polishing it over and over again is ditch
the pseudo-RFC822 format we have and use Yaml instead.
http://www.yaml.org/start.html
http://yaml.org/spec/1.2/
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> Also, it requires serious git-fu if you get stuck.
Yes, it's definitely too complex right now, and just like Git, it
exposes too much of the internals.
I also feel it's the right direction, but it needs work. Having
experience people feed back their input and patches (!)
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