Re: Git Packaging Round 1: Hopefully Easy Stuff

2019-08-15 Thread Philip Hands
Jonathan Carter writes: > On 2019/08/14 20:02, Sam Hartman wrote: >> If you're going to set up a repository for Debian packaging on Salsa, >> you need to either: >> >> 1) turn off merge requests > > That would be quite horrible IMHO, this is the de facto method that > young (let's say under 35 ye

init.d scripts and unit files lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-15 Thread Enrico Zini
[changed subject because I can't stand the old one] On Fri, Aug 09, 2019 at 08:46:18PM +0200, Simon Richter wrote: > I can totally see the benefit of using systemd unit files as init scripts > through start-stop-daemon, because we could have a common "open socket, > chroot, drop privileges" wrapp

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-15 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)"): > Somehow describing which containers and chroots should have a machine ID, > which ones should share the host's machine ID and which ones don't need > either is a gap in my proposal. Do we hav

Re: salsa.debian.org partially down

2019-08-15 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 8/15/19 11:03 AM, Ian Jackson wrote: > (off-list) > > Ian. You replied off-list, so I wont quote you, though I would like my answer to be public. I probably should have mentioned that my remark was not so much related to the crash, but more to what I experienced using Salsa's CI. It's current

Re: init.d scripts and unit files lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-15 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 10:40:22AM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: > [changed subject because I can't stand the old one] Good idea. > Alternatively, we can decide on a subset of unit files that would cover > the normal start-stop-daemon features, and like 80% of initscripts, and > would be very u

Re: init.d scripts and unit files lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-15 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 15 août 2019 14:11 +02, Simon Richter : > So we might have to invent magic comments still and/or convinve systemd > people that it might be a good idea to have unit files that can support > both immediate and on-demand start. It's already the case. Require the socket for on-demand start, requi

Re: init.d scripts and unit files lexical order or {daily,weekly,monthly} cron jobs?)

2019-08-15 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 02:49:32PM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > So we might have to invent magic comments still and/or convinve systemd > > people that it might be a good idea to have unit files that can support > > both immediate and on-demand start. > It's already the case. Require the

Re: Making mailcap optional ?

2019-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 08:29:45AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: Please let me know your thoughts (perhaps after waiting a day or two to let your thoughts mature). I don't really see a benefit to this. A system capable of running a "modern desktop environment" isn't going to notice the "overhea

Re: Git Packaging Round 1: Hopefully Easy Stuff

2019-08-15 Thread Sam Hartman
> "Philip" == Philip Hands writes: Philip> Jonathan Carter writes: >> On 2019/08/14 20:02, Sam Hartman wrote: >>> If you're going to set up a repository for Debian packaging on >>> Salsa, you need to either: >>> >>> 1) turn off merge requests >> >> That woul

How to use subjects (was: Re: salsa.debian.org partially down)

2019-08-15 Thread Bastian Blank
Hi Thomas On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 12:22:58PM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > I probably should have mentioned that my remark was not so much related > to the crash, but more to what I experienced using Salsa's CI. If your remarks don't relate to the subject, please start a new thread, or at least

Re: Git Packaging Round 1: Hopefully Easy Stuff

2019-08-15 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:32:29PM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 09:08:44PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > I systematically turn off Gitlab MR support for projects I am involved > > in, because I am not confortable and efficient using it myself, it is > > what helps m

Re: Git Packaging Round 1: Hopefully Easy Stuff

2019-08-15 Thread Holger Levsen
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 07:02:37PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > You do want --global for the alias, though -- that removes the need to > repeat the config for every machine:checkout pair, requiring it just once > per machine. thanks for this as well! :) -- cheers, Holger -

Re: Git Packaging Round 1: Hopefully Easy Stuff

2019-08-15 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 14 août 2019 22:32 +00, Holger Levsen : >> I systematically turn off Gitlab MR support for projects I am involved >> in, because I am not confortable and efficient using it myself, it is > > what helps me is having a note with this line: > > git config alias.mr '!sh -c "git fetch $1 > merge-r

Re: Building GTK programs without installing dconf-service?

2019-08-15 Thread Simon McVittie
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 22:53:33 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Simon McVittie (2019-08-14 22:20:05) > > The preferences stored in this way are not vitally important, so > > perhaps it would be OK for them to just not be propagated outside the > > application or stored after it exits (wi

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning (was Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID)

2019-08-15 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 09:54:44 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Do we have a list of all the things this is (or might be) used for ? As I said, I don't think a comprehensive list is feasible without resorting to something like codesearch, because it's of similar scope to a list of reasons to use the h

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Re: unsigned repositories

2019-08-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
>JFTR: aptitude (and all other libapt-based frontends) can make use of >that feature via the config option APT::Sources::With, the commandline >flag is just syntactic sugar. Doesn’t match my use case of repository injection for anything that might call apt later. I could, perhaps, add stuff to ap

Re: duplicate popularity-contest ID

2019-08-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
> Change popularity-contest by transmissing the hostid after it has been > hashed with the content of /etc/machine-id. Heh, there is no /etc/machine-id on my Debian system. I have an …/etc/machine-id in buster and stretch chroots I created and xenial, bionic and disco pbuilder base.cow directorie

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning

2019-08-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
>At a glance, there are also unique LVM IDs in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, >though whether those would need to be changed when cloning I don't know. Normally, you mount the root filesystem, chroot into it (more complex than you think, either bind-mount tons of filesystem from the host, and this is only s

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning

2019-08-15 Thread Dominik George
>than you think, either bind-mount tons of filesystem from the host, >and this is only safe-ish if both run sysvinit Like most of the time, your allegation is lacking any facts and sources. Why should that not work on systemd? -nik

Re: Building GTK programs without installing systemd-sysv?

2019-08-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Hi Simon, I ran into the same problem… in a chroot. Due to some bug, systemd-sysv just did not want to install under cowbuilder for some time. I discovered that using the second alternative for *conf worked: put this into /etc/apt/preferences: Package: dconf-gsettings-backend Pin: version * Pin-

Re: Building GTK programs without installing dconf-service?

2019-08-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Simon McVittie (2019-08-15 20:55:04) > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 22:53:33 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting Simon McVittie (2019-08-14 22:20:05) > > > The preferences stored in this way are not vitally important, so > > > perhaps it would be OK for them to just not be propagated outs

Re: Building GTK programs without installing systemd-sysv?

2019-08-15 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 15 Aug 2019 at 20:51:36 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > I discovered that using the second alternative for *conf > worked: put this into /etc/apt/preferences: > > Package: dconf-gsettings-backend > Pin: version * > Pin-Priority: -1 > > This will cause gconf-gsettings-backend to be used du

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning

2019-08-15 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Dominik George dixit: >>than you think, either bind-mount tons of filesystem from the host, >>and this is only safe-ish if both run sysvinit >Why should that not work on systemd? I wrote safe-ish and deliberately didn’t focus on this as it’s not relevant for the point I was trying to make. Long

Work-needing packages report for Aug 16, 2019

2019-08-15 Thread wnpp
The following is a listing of packages for which help has been requested through the WNPP (Work-Needing and Prospective Packages) system in the last week. Total number of orphaned packages: 1403 (new: 16) Total number of packages offered up for adoption: 163 (new: 3) Total number of packages reque

Re: salsa.debian.org partially down

2019-08-15 Thread gregor herrmann
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:39:22 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Alexander Wirt writes ("Re: salsa.debian.org partially down"): > > It is already recovered. We will investigate where we can extend the > > ressources. But some misusages (like requesting >1300 merge requests via API > > on a big project, th

Re: Git Packaging Round 1: Hopefully Easy Stuff

2019-08-15 Thread gregor herrmann
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:25:05 +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2019/08/14 20:02, Sam Hartman wrote: > > If you're going to set up a repository for Debian packaging on Salsa, > > you need to either: > > 1) turn off merge requests > That would be quite horrible IMHO, this is the de facto method tha

Re: Git Packaging Round 1: Hopefully Easy Stuff

2019-08-15 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonathan Carter writes: > The Debian QA DDPO pages will show you whether you have MRs on the same > page where you see how many open bugs, RC bugs, lintian errors, etc you > have. This makes it super easy to notice MRs when doing routine checks > of your general package health overview. Is there

Re: salsa.debian.org partially down

2019-08-15 Thread Aron Xu
On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 6:23 PM Thomas Goirand wrote: > [...] > 1/ CI Jobs going faster > 2/ Have a way more workers > 3/ Don't have all our eggs on the same Google basket > 4/ Use free software platforms instead of GCE > 5/ Stop being bound to a single VM provider [1] > Would it be more attracti

Re: Generating new IDs for cloning

2019-08-15 Thread Dominik George
>Longer answer: it’s complicated, but I’m sure there’s >a set of bind and non-bind mounts that will work for >systemd as well. > >Back to topic now. Or I’m going pet the cat. Well, it *is* on topic. I have been using the same strategy for sysvinit and systemd systems for many years with great suc

Re: salsa.debian.org partially down

2019-08-15 Thread Alexander Wirt
On Fri, 16 Aug 2019, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 08:39:22 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > Alexander Wirt writes ("Re: salsa.debian.org partially down"): > > > It is already recovered. We will investigate where we can extend the > > > ressources. But some misusages (like requestin