Re: Is the pixabay license a free license as per DFSG?

2019-01-28 Thread foss.freedom
dom wrote: > > It seems pixabay has now changed its license - it used to be CC0 > > Is the new license a Debian compatible "free" license - i.e. something > Debian would recognise as following the Debian Free Software > Guidelines ? > > https://pixabay.com/en/servi

Is the pixabay license a free license as per DFSG?

2019-01-28 Thread foss.freedom
It seems pixabay has now changed its license - it used to be CC0 Is the new license a Debian compatible "free" license - i.e. something Debian would recognise as following the Debian Free Software Guidelines ? https://pixabay.com/en/service/terms/#license Reproduced the license from

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-13 Thread Ángel González
On 13/06/15 06:36, Walter Landry wrote: Ángel Gonzálezkeis...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/06/15 23:22, Walter Landry wrote: I would strongly disagree here. Requiring documentation of any sort in addition to the source code is a big step. This is not a minor thing. I don't think requiring that

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-13 Thread Francesco Poli
On Thu, 11 Jun 2015 08:41:07 +0900 Charles Plessy wrote: Le Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : Hello debian-legal regulars, I would need to ask your consensus opinion on the non-freeness of the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0. Hi Francesco, I think

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-13 Thread Simon McVittie
On 13/06/15 15:45, Francesco Poli wrote: As also noted by Walter Landry, there's a crucial difference w.r.t. Apache v2: the latter license requires to preserve attribution notices within NOTICE files; the AFL v3.0 requires instead to preserve *any* descriptive text identified as an Attribution

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-13 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 13 Jun 2015 22:45:54 +0100 Simon McVittie wrote: On 13/06/15 15:45, Francesco Poli wrote: As also noted by Walter Landry, there's a crucial difference w.r.t. Apache v2: the latter license requires to preserve attribution notices within NOTICE files; the AFL v3.0 requires instead to

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-12 Thread Walter Landry
Charles Plessy ple...@debian.org wrote: Here are a few comments about the license. - point 3) is poorly worded, but assuming it is well-intented, it is Free. I would strongly disagree here. Requiring documentation of any sort in addition to the source code is a big step. This is not a

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-12 Thread Walter Landry
Ángel González keis...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/06/15 23:22, Walter Landry wrote: Charles Plessyple...@debian.org wrote: Here are a few comments about the license. - point 3) is poorly worded, but assuming it is well-intented, it is - Free. I would strongly disagree here. Requiring

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-12 Thread Ángel González
On 12/06/15 23:22, Walter Landry wrote: Charles Plessyple...@debian.org wrote: Here are a few comments about the license. - point 3) is poorly worded, but assuming it is well-intented, it is Free. I would strongly disagree here. Requiring documentation of any sort in addition to the

Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-10 Thread Francesco Poli
Hello debian-legal regulars, I would need to ask your consensus opinion on the non-freeness of the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0. My personal conclusion is that this license includes non-free restrictions and is also problematic with respect to Debian mirror infrastructure. My own analysis [1

Re: Consensus about the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2015-06-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 11:48:19PM +0200, Francesco Poli a écrit : Hello debian-legal regulars, I would need to ask your consensus opinion on the non-freeness of the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0. Hi Francesco, I think that there is a broad consensus to accept the AFL as Free license

Analysis of the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2012-09-30 Thread Francesco Poli
in a DFSG-free manner, or remove the non-free file from the package). Here's the complete text of the license, as quoted in the subversion package debian/copyright file [1]. My personal comments will follow shortly. Academic Free License (AFL) v. 3.0 This Academic Free License (the License

Re: Analysis of the Academic Free License (AFL) v3.0

2012-09-30 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 17:12:08 +0200 Francesco Poli wrote: [...] My personal comments will follow shortly. My own personal analysis of this license is included below. Academic Free License (AFL) v. 3.0 [...] 3) Grant of Source Code License. The term Source Code means the preferred form

Re: left-over non-free license file in .orig tarball

2006-04-29 Thread Joe Smith
Frank Gevaerts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, When I packaged foobillard 3.0a, I correctly removed the included non-free larabie ttf fonts, but I accidentally forgot to remove the associated README.FONTS file, which contains the license for these fonts. Is this

left-over non-free license file in .orig tarball

2006-04-28 Thread Frank Gevaerts
Hi, When I packaged foobillard 3.0a, I correctly removed the included non-free larabie ttf fonts, but I accidentally forgot to remove the associated README.FONTS file, which contains the license for these fonts. Is this considered serious enough to warrant a new .orig tarball? I do not expect a

Re: Bug#293932: profile.py has non-free license

2005-02-07 Thread Matthias Klose
[debian-legal, how do other packages handle the md5 stuff?] Joe Wreschnig writes: Package: python Severity: serious The license for the Python profiler[0] does not allow it to be copied or modified independently of other Python programs. This is a violation of DFSG #3 (and also is just

Re: Bug#293932: profile.py has non-free license

2005-02-07 Thread Steve McIntyre
doko wrote: [debian-legal, how do other packages handle the md5 stuff?] Joe Wreschnig writes: Howeer, /usr/share/doc/python2.4/copyright does not include this license. In fact, almost none of the licenses at http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/node822.html are included. At least

profile.py has non-free license

2005-02-06 Thread Joe Wreschnig
Package: python Severity: serious The license for the Python profiler[0] does not allow it to be copied or modified independently of other Python programs. This is a violation of DFSG #3 (and also is just stupid). This bug affects likely every version of Python in Debian (and that ever was in

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-25 Thread Nathanael Nerode
So can you say why it is a problem with my license, and not with Apache's and PHP's? Nobody is going to say that, because we think it's a problem with all those licenses. It was a problem with Apache's license. It was not noticed for a long time. Eventually it was noticed, and it was *fixed*

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-22 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Glenn Maynard wrote: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 12:15:50AM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: This clause is perfectly acceptable as a part of the Apache 1.1 license. As the Apache 1.1 license is OSI certified, and has certainly been used by software distributed as a part of

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: I am totally fine if people put it in distributions as php4-xdebug. AFAIK freebsd's ports already have this, and so will Mandrake in the forseeable feature. It would be silly of me to prohibit this, and this is what IMO the license never intended

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug manual or even A third-party manual for Xdebug. The manual is no problem, that's not a derived product. It could very well be a derivative; a manual

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Michael K. Edwards wrote: The trouble, I think, is that derived product has a legal meaning (in the context of copyright) contrary to your common-sense interpretation. Anything other than an exact copy of the source code you distribute (or, if you distribute binaries,

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug manual or even A third-party manual for Xdebug. The manual is no problem, that's not a derived product. It

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: Debian packages frequently contain changes from the upstream versions. (These patches are generally sent upstream, but the Debian maintainer will often apply a patch without waiting for a new upstream

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
The trouble, I think, is that derived product has a legal meaning (in the context of copyright) contrary to your common-sense interpretation. Anything other than an exact copy of the source code you distribute (or, if you distribute binaries, exact copies of them) -- even an unpatched

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
me Universal Commercial Code s/Universal/Uniform/ (whoops) This and other Model Acts, on which a lot of state laws in the US are based, may be found at http://www.law.upenn.edu/bll/ulc/ulc.htm . Cheers, - Michael

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:10:11AM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug manual or even A third-party manual for

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Måns Rullgård
Matthew Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 11:10:11AM +0100, M?ns Rullg?rd wrote: Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: This is much broader. For example, I cannot write a derivative called Brian's Xdebug or Xdebug

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-21 Thread Michael K. Edwards
An idea parallel to fair use is present in the Berne Convention, under the name fair practice: Article 10 (1) It shall be permissible to make quotations from a work which has already been lawfully made available to the public, provided that their making is compatible with fair practice, and their

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Jan Minar wrote: On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 09:06:45PM +0100, Derick Rethans wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Jan Minar wrote: From the PHP license (http://www.php.net/license/3_0.txt): 4. Products derived from this software may not be called PHP, nor may PHP appear

Re: [xdebug-general] Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Reini Urban
Those debian people should really think of getting more software engineers, not managers and laywers to help out. This would help the distro more. And their absurd abusive semantics of the word free is also irritating. Do they really think that BSD is more non-free than GPL or Artistic?

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Alexander Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Jan Minar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041219 20:04]: AFAICT, the only non-free section is: quote href=http://www.xdebug.org/license.php; 4. Products derived from this software may

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Excluding a singleton name is fine. I'd even go so far as to say any excluding any countable set is fine. Excluding an uncountable class of names is not. First of all, let me first say that I agree that DFSG4 can lead to permitting rather

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Nathanael Nerode
Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the case, why didn't you rename the Apache and PHP packages? If you want to mangle Xdebug's name in a package name, so should it be done for PHP and Apache, as it's the same license. Absolutely correct; serious bugs should be filed against those

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Derick Rethans
On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: 4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code [..] The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software. [..] = I didn't looked at the rest of the license, but I don't think this

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Derick Rethans
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004, Nathanael Nerode wrote: Derick Rethans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's the case, why didn't you rename the Apache and PHP packages? If you want to mangle Xdebug's name in a package name, so should it be done for PHP and Apache, as it's the same license. Absolutely

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Michael K. Edwards
Derick - The trouble, I think, is that derived product has a legal meaning (in the context of copyright) contrary to your common-sense interpretation. Anything other than an exact copy of the source code you distribute (or, if you distribute binaries, exact copies of them) -- even an unpatched

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Matthew Palmer
On Mon, Dec 20, 2004 at 08:34:49PM -0500, Glenn Maynard wrote: Find something that allows me to exclude people from using Xdebug+ or RealXdebug for names of derived products. That is exactly what I mean with this clause. I don't see why this should render something non-free. The source is

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Derick Rethans wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Josh Triplett wrote: Package: php4-xdbg Description: debugging aid for PHP scripts, based on xdebug Xdbg is a debugging aid for PHP scripts. It provides various debug information about your script... [further description] . The upstream

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-20 Thread Josh Triplett
Derick Rethans wrote: On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: 4. Integrity of The Author's Source Code [..] The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original software. [..] = I didn't looked at the rest of the license, but I don't

Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-19 Thread Jan Minar
Hi. I've been referred to xdebug on #postgresql @ freenode, but I will try to avoid it because: (1) It's not in Debian (2) The license is non-free Although the license is non-free as in annoying more then in philosophical, (3) It's not even in the Debian's non-free section AFAICT, the only

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-19 Thread Derick Rethans
L.S., On Sun, 19 Dec 2004, Jan Minar wrote: AFAICT, the only non-free section is: quote href=http://www.xdebug.org/license.php; 4. Products derived from this software may not be called Xdebug, nor may Xdebug appear in their name, without prior written permission from [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-19 Thread Alexander Schmehl
Hi! * Jan Minar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041219 20:04]: AFAICT, the only non-free section is: quote href=http://www.xdebug.org/license.php; 4. Products derived from this software may not be called Xdebug, nor may Xdebug appear in their name, without prior written permission from [EMAIL

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-19 Thread Brian Thomas Sniffen
Alexander Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi! * Jan Minar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041219 20:04]: AFAICT, the only non-free section is: quote href=http://www.xdebug.org/license.php; 4. Products derived from this software may not be called Xdebug, nor may Xdebug appear in their name, without

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-19 Thread Jan Minar
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 11:38:16PM +0100, Alexander Schmehl wrote: * Jan Minar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041219 20:04]: AFAICT, the only non-free section is: quote href=http://www.xdebug.org/license.php; 4. Products derived from this software may not be called Xdebug, nor may Xdebug appear

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-19 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 08:27:31PM -0500, Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Excluding a singleton name is fine. I'd even go so far as to say any excluding any countable set is fine. Excluding an uncountable class of names is not. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/06/msg00023.html for a

Re: Is the xdebug's non-free license necessary?

2004-12-19 Thread Josh Triplett
Brian Thomas Sniffen wrote: Alexander Schmehl [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Jan Minar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [041219 20:04]: AFAICT, the only non-free section is: quote href=http://www.xdebug.org/license.php; 4. Products derived from this software may not be called Xdebug, nor may Xdebug appear in

Bug#280673: apt-howto: APT HOWTO is under a non-free license

2004-11-10 Thread Francesco Poli
Package: apt-howto Version: 1.7.7-3 Severity: serious Justification: Policy 2.2.1 The Debian documentation policy (http://www.debian.org/doc/docpolicy) reads: | All manuals of the Debian Documentation Project (DDP) will be released | under DFSG-compliant licenses On the other hand the APT HOWTO

Re: Bug#270461: lincvs: No free license misleading copyright file

2004-09-08 Thread Henning Makholm
and non-GPL. However, this non-free license still *arises* as the result of a failed attempt to apply the GPL. I might perhaps have phrased it more stringently, but I preferred trying to avoid confusing the maintainer with too pedantic distinctions that are not really necessary for understanding

Re: Bug#270461: lincvs: No free license misleading copyright file

2004-09-07 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 03:04:09PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: The notice in the LICENSE file specifies a non-free license. GPL is usually free, but when, as here, it is applied only under the condition that one links with (a certain version of Qt) it is not free. The restriction means

Bug#242895: drivers/usb/emi26_fw.h has a non-free license

2004-04-09 Thread Bill Allombert
Package: kernel-source-2.4.25 Version: 2.4.25-1 Severity: serious The file drivers/usb/emi26_fw.h carry the license below: /* * This firmware is for the Emagic EMI 2|6 Audio Interface * * The firmware contained herein is Copyright (c) 1999-2002 Emagic * as an unpublished work. This notice

Bug#242895: drivers/usb/emi26_fw.h has a non-free license

2004-04-09 Thread Don Armstrong
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004, Bill Allombert wrote: The file drivers/usb/emi26_fw.h carry the license below: /* * This firmware is for the Emagic EMI 2|6 Audio Interface * * The firmware contained herein is Copyright (c) 1999-2002 Emagic * as an unpublished work. This notice does not imply

SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-09-30 Thread Matthias Firner
Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-09-30 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Tue, Sep 30, 2003 at 05:41:09PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote: We've already had this survey. Can you perhaps say why you are taking yet another, why you think the conclusions might be different, and what you think the survey is intended to show? I believe he was responding to the

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-31 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Aug 30, 2003 at 04:39:05PM -0700, Matt Taggart wrote: IMHO This is _not_ appropriate for debian-devel-announce. It's not a soapbox, please keep your messages purely informational in the future. (If I haven't critizied others for doing the same thing, sorry. Maybe it was because your's

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread Martin Schulze
Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:47:45PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: On 2003-08-28 21:51:41 +0100 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray: Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word? Agreed. Perhaps we should... ... Oh, wait. I already suggested

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-30 23:27:44 +0100 Richard Braakman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and I said yes, but you should do it properly and define all the words, just to be on the safe side. Got anything new to say, or is the day stuck again? If someone proposes to go out for a walk because it's such a

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-30 Thread Matt Taggart
CC me on replies. Thanks. Branden Robinson writes... A little over one week ago, I posted a survey[1] to the debian-legal mailing list, requesting the opinion of subscribers regarding one of a pair of related questions that have been asked with increasing frequency on that list, and in a few

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Walter Landry
MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2003-08-29 05:40:37 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the results of the survey. possible non- developers developers developers

[DISCUSSION] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Aug 24, 2003 at 07:17:46PM -0400, Anthony DeRobertis wrote: On Thursday, Aug 21, 2003, at 01:09 US/Eastern, Branden Robinson wrote: [why to the mailing list...?] So people can verify the results for themselves, and will be less likely to accuse me of falsifying the results. Or so I

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 14:57:26 +0100 Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is only meaningful if the sample is unbiased. Oh, that's a bit strong. It would still have some meaning, just not one that's useful ;-) The question is: is it an unbiased sample of those who would vote in a GR on this

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 15:36:42 +0100 Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are several issues. - This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can be on vacation -- yeah, I was :) I was on holiday for some of August too. I suspect that is uncorrelated with views on FDL.

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Mathieu Roy
I conclude that there is a probability of less than 1 in 1000 that the above total vote for option 1 would have been obtained by pure chance if there was no majority for option 1 over all others. This is only meaningful if the sample is unbiased. Since the survey was announced on

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 05:40:37 +0100 Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here are the results of the survey. possible non- developers developers developers

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-29 16:09:45 +0100 MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] I can't see either happening. Should have read either change. Sorry to point it out, but there are some picky people in this thread.

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le ven 29/08/2003 ? 10:42, Fedor Zuev a ?crit : Of course. You did not know? It is a completely your problem. You probably wanted to say something, but the following explains all: You are not aware? Hey, I know you! You are Jean-Claude Van

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 19:50]: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote: So, as a ad-hoc statement it seems to me that the only way in the spirit of the Social Contract is to accept GFDL-docu if certain restrictions are

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray: Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word? Agreed. Perhaps we should... ... Oh, wait. I already suggested we'd do so. -- Wouter Verhelst Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org Nederlandstalige Linux-documentatie --

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Walter Landry
Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I conclude that there is a probability of less than 1 in 1000 that the above total vote for option 1 would have been obtained by pure chance if there was no majority for option 1 over all others. This is only meaningful if the sample is

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Mathieu Roy [EMAIL PROTECTED] - It's represent only the point of view of people at debian-legal while the scope of the issue is way more general than that. The survey was announced in DWN before the polling booth closed. During the last year, DWN has ran several stories about the

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 29/08/2003 à 16:36, Mathieu Roy a écrit : - This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can be on vacation -- yeah, I was :) Yeah, so it deprived us of your stupid arguments. What a shame. - It's represent only the point of view of people at debian-legal

[RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Branden Robinson
A little over one week ago, I posted a survey[1] to the debian-legal mailing list, requesting the opinion of subscribers regarding one of a pair of related questions that have been asked with increasing frequency on that list, and in a few other forums around the Internet. Does the GNU Free

OFF-TOPIC Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Mathieu Roy
Josselin Mouette [EMAIL PROTECTED] a tapoté : Le ven 29/08/2003 à 10:42, Fedor Zuev a écrit : Of course. You did not know? It is a completely your problem. You probably wanted to say something, but the following explains all: You are not aware? Hey, I know you! You are

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Andreas Barth
* Joe Wreschnig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 19:50]: On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote: So, as a ad-hoc statement it seems to me that the only way in the spirit of the Social Contract is to accept GFDL-docu if certain restrictions are not used (except for a license text, which

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Fedor Zuev
of the problems. Every free license have its scope of applicability, outside of which it may turn to non-free license. For example, if you license a music phonorecord under GPL, you get pretty non-free phonorecord with funny license. And you can begin from GPL-covered literary work. *shrug

Re: [RESULTS] SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Fri, Aug 29, 2003 at 04:36:42PM +0200, Mathieu Roy wrote: - This survey was made during aout, where more than usually people can be on vacation -- yeah, I was :) Yes, I'm sure that if the survey was taken at a more appropriate time, the majority of people who understand that the GFDL is

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-29 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le ven 29/08/2003 à 10:42, Fedor Zuev a écrit : Of course. You did not know? It is a completely your problem. You probably wanted to say something, but the following explains all: You are not aware? Hey, I know you! You are Jean-Claude Van Damme, aren't you? Nobody can be as purely

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Barth
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Keith Dunwoody
Andreas Barth wrote: Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software in mind. Actually, the DSFG _was_ made with documentation in mind. Bruce Perens wrote: I intended for the entire contents of that CD to be under the rights stated in the DSFG - be they software,

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-28 09:55:58 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software in mind. [...] Please read http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg00690.html for more information on what was in mind when DFSG

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.) I'll answer it anyway: it's because our conclusions are reaching a wider audience, which means we have more

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Joe Wreschnig
(Ignoring the fact that your statement about the DFSG was untrue, which has been pointed out elsewhere...) On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 03:55, Andreas Barth wrote: Having said this, we must now try to work without the special rules as good as possible, unless someone proposes these rules in time for

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Andreas Barth
* MJ Ray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030828 12:50]: On 2003-08-28 09:55:58 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment: documentation is not software, and DFSG is made with software in mind. [...] Please read http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200308/msg00690.html

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:49:18PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:22:49PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: There, IMHO, is a subtle difference between a creating derivative work, and using a part of work in the completely

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:08:47PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.) I'll answer it anyway: it's because our

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-28 17:30:36 +0100 Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I _have_ read the history. But in spite of Bruce words the DFSG just doesn't apply plainly to e.g. documentation. [...] You said DFSG is made with software in mind and implied that documentation is not a subset of software.

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Brian T. Sniffen
Andrew Suffield [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 06:08:47PM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 11:35:16AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: Why have we another sudden influx of people who haven't read any of the history on this? (Rhetorical. I think we can guess.)

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Francesco Potorti`
Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation, is not a license

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, Andreas Barth wrote: Proof: e.g. look at DFSG 4: [SNIP] How does this match to docu? Source code in this context refers to the prefered form of modification which is transformed into the form or forms used by the end user or viewer. See SGML, texi, docbook, and pod for

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-28 Thread MJ Ray
On 2003-08-28 21:51:41 +0100 Wouter Verhelst [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op do 28-08-2003, om 20:02 schreef MJ Ray: Ye gods! Who knew that software was such a contentious word? Agreed. Perhaps we should... ... Oh, wait. I already suggested we'd do so. ...and I said yes, but you should do it

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-27 Thread Fedor Zuev
On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Andrew Suffield wrote: On Mon, Aug 25, 2003 at 04:22:49PM +0900, Fedor Zuev wrote: There, IMHO, is a subtle difference between a creating derivative work, and using a part of work in the completely unrelated other work. But you, of course, may disagree. I just reply

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-27 Thread Joe Moore
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:15:10 +, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ X ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-27 Thread D . Goel
=== CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2, as published by the Free Software Foundation,

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-26 Thread Jeremy Malcolm
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 05:15:10 +, Branden Robinson wrote: === CUT HERE === Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your opinion. Mark only one. [ ] The

Re: SURVEY: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Tore Anderson
[ Take #2; hoping to hit -legal this time, as my first attempt to reply somehow ended up on -devel. Caffeine underrun, probably. ] * Branden Robinson Part 1. DFSG-freeness of the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 Please mark with an X the item that most closely approximates your

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Fedor Zuev
under the same license under certain circumstances. I'm not aware that this is true of anything we regard as DFSG Free. License incompatability is not an unusual thing for the free software licenses. Reread what he said. He cannot use content from one document in another document *under

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
means I can't release it at all. This is plainly stupid. From a pragmatic point of view, even if I could do so the combination of invarient sections I may be forced to distribute may render the result useless. It's a bad license, and it's a non-Free license. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is the GNU FDL a DFSG-free license?

2003-08-25 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lun 25/08/2003 à 09:22, Fedor Zuev a écrit : When you try to apply license outside of its scope you should expect to receive funny results. GFDL has a very narrow scope. It is bad. But it is different problem. No, it is exactly one of the problems. Have you ever read the DFSG? -- .''`.

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