Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Marco d'Itri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's little or no evidence that requiring creators of a derivative of some software to identify themselves would prevent a free use of the software. Does that mean the Dissident test is irrelevant? Well, yes. It's just something that a few people here invented, but

Re: GPL and Court Procedure (was Re: Adobe open source ...)

2006-01-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/28/06, Pedro A.D.Rezende [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Like, say, ordered set of instructions to mean computer program Hey Prof., how about a series of instructions? If you won't write something that means anything, is there some reason I should continue replying? Feed the troll?

Re: Hi to All!

2006-01-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/28/06, INFONOVA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Hi! Educated by Prof. Pedro? regards, alexander.

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
Another dose of pain to plonked Miller and other FSF's lackeys (kudos to Wallace for calling the bluff)... On 1/27/06, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey plonked Miller, breaking news... On 1/27/06, Alexander Terekhov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/27/06, Raul Miller [EMAIL

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Wesley J. Landaker
On Friday 27 January 2006 20:29, Michael Poole wrote: There's little or no evidence that requiring creators of a derivative of some software to identify themselves would prevent a free use of the software. Does that mean the Dissident test is irrelevant? Yeah, since the dissident test has

License terms for latex-mk

2006-01-28 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
Hi, I am considering packaging latex-mk (http://latex-mk.sourceforge.net/) for Debian. I am appending below its copyright notice. I think it is DFSG-compliant, but I am unsure about item 3 and 4. Comments are appreciated. Thanks in advance, -- Rafael $Id: COPYING,v 1.5 2005/09/30

Unidentified subject!

2006-01-28 Thread Luca Brivio
What do you think about the following License? Is it a free software license? https://biospice.org/visitor/documents/BioCOMPLicense.pdf (sorry for the document format). Note that in order to download Bio-SPICE from its website it's necessary to register oneself. -- Luca Brivio Web:

Re: Creative Commons negotiations

2006-01-28 Thread Evan Prodromou
Benj. Mako Hill wrote: quote who=Frank Küster date=Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:50:04PM +0100 Thank you for the report; it sounds promising, but on the other hand it sounds as if talking upstream authors[1] into relicensing their documentation with a CC license will not be an option for etch.

License for ATI driver documentation

2006-01-28 Thread Daniel Leidert
Hello, I hope you can help with some ideas and also clear a few of my questions. I'm not a lawyer, so I hope, you can give a few hints. I'm writing manpages for the proprietary ATI driver, which are included in the Debian package. You can find the source here:

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Michael Poole
Wesley J. Landaker writes: On Friday 27 January 2006 20:29, Michael Poole wrote: There's little or no evidence that requiring creators of a derivative of some software to identify themselves would prevent a free use of the software. Does that mean the Dissident test is irrelevant?

Re: Distriution of GPL incompatible libraries

2006-01-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 1/27/06, Walter Landry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Glenn L. McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all; This question doesn't directly relate to debian, but i hope you can help straighten me out with this. I'm trying to understand licensing obligations in regard to GPL'ed binaries that

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Alexander Terekhov
On 28 Jan 2006 11:32:08 -0500, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wesley J. Landaker writes: On Friday 27 January 2006 20:29, Michael Poole wrote: There's little or no evidence that requiring creators of a derivative of some software to identify themselves would prevent a free use of

Dispossessing the FSF

2006-01-28 Thread Thaddeus H. Black
I used to be a flag-waving FSF patriot, but for reasons people familiar with the present GFDL GR debate will appreciate, the FSF has lost my trust. My question is as follows. The FSF retains special authority unilaterally to extend the GPL, LGPL, FDL, etc. For my own free software, can I take

BioCOMP License

2006-01-28 Thread Luca Brivio
What do you think about the following License? Is it a free software license? https://biospice.org/visitor/documents/BioCOMPLicense.pdf (sorry for the document format). Note that in order to download Bio-SPICE from its website it's necessary to register oneself. -- Luca Brivio Web:

Re: Dispossessing the FSF

2006-01-28 Thread Michael Poole
Thaddeus H. Black writes: I used to be a flag-waving FSF patriot, but for reasons people familiar with the present GFDL GR debate will appreciate, the FSF has lost my trust. My question is as follows. The FSF retains special authority unilaterally to extend the GPL, LGPL, FDL, etc. For my

Re: License terms for latex-mk

2006-01-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 04:05:49PM +0100, Rafael Laboissiere wrote: I am considering packaging latex-mk (http://latex-mk.sourceforge.net/) for Debian. I am appending below its copyright notice. I think it is DFSG-compliant, but I am unsure about item 3 and 4. Comments are appreciated.

Re: Unidentified subject!

2006-01-28 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 04:21:02PM +0100, Luca Brivio wrote: What do you think about the following License? Is it a free software license? The patent grant is tighter than I'd like; the way I understand it, you get a copyright license for modified works, but not a patent grant. So if there is

Re: License terms for latex-mk

2006-01-28 Thread Rafael Laboissiere
* Lionel Elie Mamane [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-28 19:44]: Seems to be the standard BSD 4-clause license. Clause 4 is completely fine, clause 3 is annoying and imposes a burden on redistribution but generally considered free, AFAIK. I wasn't around before June 1999, but I expect Debian

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-28 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
[snip] On the matter of freeness of software licensed under the OFL: 3) No Modified Version of the Font Software may use the Reserved Font Name(s), in part or in whole, unless explicit written permission is granted by the Copyright Holder. This restriction applies to all references stored in

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-28 Thread Nicolas Spalinger
[snip] First off; while I am a Debian Developer, and do have some experience in auditing licenses for DFSG compliance, I can't make any claims one way or another as to whether software licensed under such a license will be acceptable for inclusion in main (main being the part of the Debian

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Raul Miller
On 28 Jan 2006 11:32:08 -0500, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit that, under this logic, fees to execute software or create derivative works are free since they are not mentioned anyhere in the DFSG. The usual response to this is that Debian would be restricted in doing things

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: On 28 Jan 2006 11:32:08 -0500, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit that, under this logic, fees to execute software or create derivative works are free since they are not mentioned anyhere in the DFSG. The usual response to this is that Debian would be

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-28 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of the Font Software, to use, study, copy, merge, embed, modify, redistribute, and sell modified and unmodified copies of the Font Software,

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 04:01:30PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On 28 Jan 2006 11:32:08 -0500, Michael Poole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I submit that, under this logic, fees to execute software or create derivative works are free since they are not mentioned anyhere in the DFSG. The usual

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Alexander Terekhov: I just wonder under what impure GPL license terms do you think Moglen thinks the Linux kernel is developed currently (note that the context is kernel drivers which has nothing to do with Linus' not-really-an-exception for user space). Any thoughts? Development of

Re: OFL license analysis

2006-01-28 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:35:33PM +0100, Nicolas Spalinger wrote: 3) No Modified Version of the Font Software may use the Reserved Font Name(s), in part or in whole, unless explicit written permission is granted by the Copyright Holder. This restriction applies to all

Re: Moglen's all good faith

2006-01-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Andrew Donnellan: Because FSF doesn't own any copyrights in Linux Some developers and organizations have assigned copyright to the FSF. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Anti-DMCA clause (was Re: GPL v3 Draft

2006-01-28 Thread Florian Weimer
* Nathanael Nerode: Hrrm. We need a different clause then. No program licensed under this License, which accesses a work, shall require the authority of the copyright owner for that work, in order to gain access to that work. Accordingly, no program licensed under this License is a

Re: Please review: The OFL (Open Font License)

2006-01-28 Thread Francesco Poli
On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 21:00:04 +0100 Nicolas Spalinger wrote: Users who install derivatives (Modified Versions) on their systems should not see any of the original names (Reserved Font Names) in their font menus, font properties dialogs, PostScript streams, documents that refer to a particular

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Raul Miller
On 1/28/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harrassing lawsuits are the extreme case. It's a similar problem with, for example, honest but incorrect claims. I don't see why the licensor should get to override the venue in *any* case where he's the one instigating the lawsuit. So what

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Michael Poole
Raul Miller writes: On 1/28/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harrassing lawsuits are the extreme case. It's a similar problem with, for example, honest but incorrect claims. I don't see why the licensor should get to override the venue in *any* case where he's the one

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:32:12PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On 1/28/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harrassing lawsuits are the extreme case. It's a similar problem with, for example, honest but incorrect claims. I don't see why the licensor should get to override the venue in

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Andrew Donnellan
On 1/29/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On that line of reasoning, people who don't live in California are, too. But we both know how weak arguing on DFSG#5 tends to be. I think the traditional argument is that restrictions on *use* of the software indicate an EULA, since simple

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Jan 29, 2006 at 03:18:32PM +1100, Andrew Donnellan wrote: On 1/29/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the traditional argument is that restrictions on *use* of the software indicate an EULA, since simple copyright can not, in theory, restrict the use of software

Re: Adobe open source license -- is this licence free?

2006-01-28 Thread Raul Miller
On 1/28/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Jan 28, 2006 at 09:32:12PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: On 1/28/06, Glenn Maynard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harrassing lawsuits are the extreme case. It's a similar problem with, for example, honest but incorrect claims. I don't see