Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/29/19 12:52 PM, Anatoly Pugachev wrote: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:51 AM Gregor Riepl wrote: >> - Using the default partitioning scheme, the installer configures a /boot >> partition that is only 100MB (on a 120GB ATA disk). This is too small to hold >> more than one kernel plus initrd, apparently - I had trouble upgrading the >> kernel package at one point. > > https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/partman-auto/merge_requests/5 I would rather use a size that the other architectures use for /boot to make sure everything matches. I'll push something later today. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 3:51 AM Gregor Riepl wrote: > - Using the default partitioning scheme, the installer configures a /boot > partition that is only 100MB (on a 120GB ATA disk). This is too small to hold > more than one kernel plus initrd, apparently - I had trouble upgrading the > kernel package at one point. https://salsa.debian.org/installer-team/partman-auto/merge_requests/5
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/13/19 2:50 AM, Gregor Riepl wrote: > - The new GRUB-based CD boot works well. Kudos! Thanks. > - Mirror listing during install and automatic sources.list config afterwards > is still broken, requiring manual changes according to > https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2016/06/msg00126.html Yes, and this isn't solely up to me to resolve it: See: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=927760 > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=879130 > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=918428 Feel free to leave some feedback there and make some pressure to get things forward. > - The installer still redirects to the onboard Mach64 instead of a sunffb > card, even if a screen is attached. After installation, output goes to the > correct display. I honestly have no idea how to address this. It's also the first time I have heard of this problem. There might be something hardwired somewhere for sparc* from back in the days when sunfb was still part of the kernel. > - The mirror list at https://www.debian.org/mirror/list still lists the sparc > architecture, but not sparc64. Will this get fixed after buster is released? See: > https://salsa.debian.org/mirror-team/masterlist/merge_requests/5 Again, not up to me. > - Using the default partitioning scheme, the installer configures a /boot > partition that is only 100MB (on a 120GB ATA disk). This is too small to hold > more than one kernel plus initrd, apparently - I had trouble upgrading the > kernel package at one point. Yes, I have already heard the partition is too small and I will push an update to partman-auto soonish to address this. This issue also affects machines with Sun partitioning only as for the GPT-capable ones we are not using a separate /boot partition. For Sun labels, a separate /boot is necessary as GRUB uses linked block lists and the blocks need to be below a certain sizes limit (i.e. 10 GiB) for them to work. But I'm not 100% sure on this and one should probably ask GRUB upstream for advise. Any testing and feedback on this issue is welcome so that I don't have to do all this research myself. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hi, Finally got around to test the updated image on my Ultra 10 now. A few things to note: - The new GRUB-based CD boot works well. Kudos! - Mirror listing during install and automatic sources.list config afterwards is still broken, requiring manual changes according to https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2016/06/msg00126.html - The installer still redirects to the onboard Mach64 instead of a sunffb card, even if a screen is attached. After installation, output goes to the correct display. - The mirror list at https://www.debian.org/mirror/list still lists the sparc architecture, but not sparc64. Will this get fixed after buster is released? - Using the default partitioning scheme, the installer configures a /boot partition that is only 100MB (on a 120GB ATA disk). This is too small to hold more than one kernel plus initrd, apparently - I had trouble upgrading the kernel package at one point. Please advise if I should file any bugs. And thanks for all your work!
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/11/19 4:18 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: > The Oracle folks I spoke with have zero clue about it. Zero. > Less than zero would be that no one even knows that they still sell > sparc systems and others are just all about the database and cloud > and still others are even more confused. However the company makes > money. Somehow. That's not unusual for big companies though. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/11/19 10:05 AM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 5/11/19 3:37 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: A few folks from Oracle got back to me and let me know that they don't have Linux on sparc at all. Period. Some stupid sales rep just says to me "yes, sure, we run that !" when in fact he hasn't a damn clue. That's not correct though. Here's some proof: https://oss.oracle.com/projects/linux-sparc/ https://blogs.oracle.com/wim/oracle-linux-6-for-sparc What's true is that Oracle first poured resources into Linux on SPARC and later decided to drop it. They even ported things like Valgrind and Golang to Linux for SPARC (although the latter was initially ported to Solaris/SPARC). So there is no Linux on sparc as far as Oracle is concerned. Nobody gives a damn about Solaris anymore so I don't know what they are smoking at Oracle but it is very weird stuff to be sure. You can still download it here: http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/packages/linux-oracle-sparc/ The Oracle folks I spoke with have zero clue about it. Zero. Less than zero would be that no one even knows that they still sell sparc systems and others are just all about the database and cloud and still others are even more confused. However the company makes money. Somehow. dc
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/11/19 3:37 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: > A few folks from Oracle got back to me and let me know that they don't > have Linux on sparc at all. Period. Some stupid sales rep just says to > me "yes, sure, we run that !" when in fact he hasn't a damn clue. That's not correct though. Here's some proof: > https://oss.oracle.com/projects/linux-sparc/ > https://blogs.oracle.com/wim/oracle-linux-6-for-sparc What's true is that Oracle first poured resources into Linux on SPARC and later decided to drop it. They even ported things like Valgrind and Golang to Linux for SPARC (although the latter was initially ported to Solaris/SPARC). > So there is no Linux on sparc as far as Oracle is concerned. Nobody > gives a damn about Solaris anymore so I don't know what they are smoking > at Oracle but it is very weird stuff to be sure. You can still download it here: > http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/packages/linux-oracle-sparc/ Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 10:06 PM, Rick Leir wrote: Oracle Linux .. for Intel processors? Please ask him about Oracle Linux for Sparc. I would like to give it a try if they have it. Thanks -- Rick A few folks from Oracle got back to me and let me know that they don't have Linux on sparc at all. Period. Some stupid sales rep just says to me "yes, sure, we run that !" when in fact he hasn't a damn clue. So there is no Linux on sparc as far as Oracle is concerned. Nobody gives a damn about Solaris anymore so I don't know what they are smoking at Oracle but it is very weird stuff to be sure. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hi all, On 5/10/19 07:00, Meelis Roos wrote: Hello Meelis, Perhaps of interest ... i was being hit with the qla2xxx driver panics as well on my v880. I unplugged the second FCAL loop to the backplane, and this fixed it. Perhaps this is something you could try? I have not tried on my V880 but I got similar trouble on V480. But where is the secondary loop on SB1000/E280R (having the same mainboard)? Hmm, come to think of it, there is a connector marked with double arrow, the back of mainboard but I do not think I have seen any cable that would fit there. Thanks, Meelis and Kevin. The problems with the qla2xxx could also explain, why I couldn't get my V480 and V490 fully working with Linux earlier last year. IIRC both crashed during kernel boot. I could reproduce and later avoid the problem with the qla2xxx driver on my 280R by just blacklisting it (see [1]) - the machine boots from network, so no problem that the internal disks are not usable. But I didn't conclude that this could actually also help my V480 and V490. I hope blacklisting the qla2xxx module will also make them usable with Linux. Well, if Kevin's V880 runs Linux, V480 and V490 will most certainly also run it with the qla2xxx problem out of the way. [1]: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Sun_Fire_280R Cheers, Frank
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hi, I don't know for this machine. On my V880, there was a second loop going to the disk backplane. I unplugged it, and everything started working. I know this is pretty circumstantial, but don't know if i can do more for you. I did exchange some emails with the guy that wrote the driver to try and fix it before, but he had no idea, and i'm guessing no time/interest in fixing this either. Kind Regards, -Kevin On Fri, May 10, 2019 at 7:00 AM Meelis Roos wrote: > > Hello Meelis, > > > > Perhaps of interest ... i was being hit with the qla2xxx driver panics > as well on my v880. > > I unplugged the second FCAL loop to the backplane, and this fixed it. > > > > Perhaps this is something you could try? > > I have not tried on my V880 but I got similar trouble on V480. > > But where is the secondary loop on SB1000/E280R (having the same > mainboard)? Hmm, > come to think of it, there is a connector marked with double arrow, the > back of mainboard but I do > not think I have seen any cable that would fit there. > > -- > Meelis Roos >
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hi, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > https://oss.oracle.com/linux-sparc/isos/ I downloaded https://oss.oracle.com/linux-sparc/isos/linux-sparc-1.0-DVD.iso It was made by genisoimage in 2015 and has a Sun disk label like debian-10.0-sparc64-grub-NETINST-1.iso of 27 Apr 2019. Have a nice day :) Thomas
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On Friday 2019-05-10 04:06, Rick Leir wrote: >Oracle Linux .. for Intel processors? Please ask him about Oracle Linux for >Sparc. I would like to give it a try if they have it. >Thanks -- Rick https://oss.oracle.com/linux-sparc/isos/
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/10/19 4:06 AM, Rick Leir wrote: > Oracle Linux .. for Intel processors? Please ask him about Oracle > Linux for Sparc. I would like to give it a try if they have it. Oracle Linux for SPARC no longer exists as the project was canned. You can download the last releases from here though: > http://ftp.icm.edu.pl/packages/linux-oracle-sparc/ There was never an Oracle Linux for SPARC 7. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hello Meelis, Perhaps of interest ... i was being hit with the qla2xxx driver panics as well on my v880. I unplugged the second FCAL loop to the backplane, and this fixed it. Perhaps this is something you could try? I have not tried on my V880 but I got similar trouble on V480. But where is the secondary loop on SB1000/E280R (having the same mainboard)? Hmm, come to think of it, there is a connector marked with double arrow, the back of mainboard but I do not think I have seen any cable that would fit there. -- Meelis Roos
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Oracle Linux .. for Intel processors? Please ask him about Oracle Linux for Sparc. I would like to give it a try if they have it. Thanks -- Rick On May 9, 2019 5:00:52 PM EDT, Dennis Clarke wrote: >On 5/9/19 4:44 PM, Meelis Roos wrote: >>> Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade >2000 >>> should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of >>> those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. >Anyways I >>> will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out >of >>> the box. >> >> Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware >sun4v - >> all my sparcs run Linux natively. >> >> About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and >last >> I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older > >> Symbios >> and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you >have >> them >> available. >> > >My problem is that I have way too much sparc hardware in life and no >real up to date OS to run. Sure Solaris 10 is still around and barely >supported but it is horrific for performance. I was just speaking with >an Oracle salesrep about the new 5GHz T8 and he assures me that Oracle >has Linux running there. Oracle Linux v6 and v7 run there. He says. >Well >I see Oracle Linux as just a variation on the RHEL sources. > > >-- >Dennis Clarke >RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC >UNIX and Linux spoken >GreyBeard and suspenders optional -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Yes, and most homes have that plug behind the stove in the kitchen and for the dryer in the laundry room. It is easy to wire up another like this in the contact breaker panel. Cheers -- Rick On May 9, 2019 4:02:57 PM EDT, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >On 5/9/19 9:59 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply. >> Otherwise I would run it at home. >I thought you can get 240 volts in the US when using a two-phase >power outlet. > >Adrian > >-- > .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz >: :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org >`. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de > `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 -- Sorry for being brief. Alternate email is rickleir at yahoo dot com
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hello Meelis, Perhaps of interest ... i was being hit with the qla2xxx driver panics as well on my v880. I unplugged the second FCAL loop to the backplane, and this fixed it. Perhaps this is something you could try? On Thu, May 9, 2019 at 11:03 PM Meelis Roos wrote: > > Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000 > > should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of > > those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I > > will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of > > the box. > > Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware sun4v - > all my sparcs run Linux natively. > > About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and last > I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older > Symbios > and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you have > them > available. > > -- > Meelis Roos > >
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000 should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of the box. Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware sun4v - all my sparcs run Linux natively. About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and last I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older Symbios and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you have them available. -- Meelis Roos
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 4:44 PM, Meelis Roos wrote: Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000 should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of the box. Yes, I should try it on some sun4u too. And probably bare hardware sun4v - all my sparcs run Linux natively. About Blade 1x00/2x00 and E280R: they use qla2xxx for root disks and last I tried this was broken in the kernel. It may be better now but older Symbios and newer MPT etc controllers would probably be a safer try if you have them available. My problem is that I have way too much sparc hardware in life and no real up to date OS to run. Sure Solaris 10 is still around and barely supported but it is horrific for performance. I was just speaking with an Oracle salesrep about the new 5GHz T8 and he assures me that Oracle has Linux running there. Oracle Linux v6 and v7 run there. He says. Well I see Oracle Linux as just a variation on the RHEL sources. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 4:02 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 5/9/19 9:59 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply. Otherwise I would run it at home. I thought you can get 240 volts in the US when using a two-phase power outlet. Well a UPS is needed also. So an APC5000 series or similar as well as the 240 volt supply. No matter how I slice it there is a bucket of money to spend to get the same performance a ninety dollar ASUS arm7 Tinkerboard can do. However 256G of memory and 16 processor cores at 2.66GHz is real hard to get anywhere else. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 9 May 2019, at 20:31, Frank Scheiner wrote: > > Hi Adrian, > > On 5/9/19 18:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: >> I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the >> following Debian Ports architectures: >> [...] >> * sparc64 >> >> I uploaded both CD images [1] as well as netboot images [2]. >> >> Please test those images and report back over the mailing list for >> the corresponding architecture. >> >> Known issues: >> [...] >> * sparc64 >>- Installation over a serial console is currently broken >> on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package >> (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539. >> Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround. > > Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked > for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D Yes; it's an issue with how Linux exposes sun4v hypervisor consoles. James
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 9:59 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: > The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply. > Otherwise I would run it at home. I thought you can get 240 volts in the US when using a two-phase power outlet. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 9:55 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: > Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000 > should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of > those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I > will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of > the box. Unless you are installing inside an LDOM, your serial console will be fine. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 9:31 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote: >> - Installation over a serial console is currently broken >> on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package >> (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539. >> Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround. > > Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked > for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D To be clear: This affects machines using the ttyHV serial console driver that is used for LDOMs. This does not affect machines using other serial console drivers. It's a bug in the ttyHV driver and I'm still trying to convince upstream to fix it. > Just one odd thing: I didn't see any kernel messages when booting from > the installer disc. I assumed that there might be a `quiet` in the > kernel command line, but editing the GRUB menu options showed no > arguments for the kernel command line at all for the "default" option, > just "boot_one" IIRC. This is in line with all the other architectures. The GRUB configuration comes from there. Best would be to read the installation manual for ppc64el to see if there are any options documented which allow verbose booting. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
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On 5/9/19 3:33 PM, Meelis Roos wrote: [2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3]) some years ago. Maybe this can be revived. [3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2 I'm actually here on this list. But no, nothing came out of my plan - because of lack of time from my side and the student going away. I still have the PP450 wired up and ready to run if power is turned on from xscf, so if there is someone else taking it on, I can offer PP450 access. M4000, PP650 and PP250 are away in storage. The big blocker for me is that the M4000 needs 240V power supply. Otherwise I would run it at home. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
[2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3]) some years ago. Maybe this can be revived. [3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2 I'm actually here on this list. But no, nothing came out of my plan - because of lack of time from my side and the student going away. I still have the PP450 wired up and ready to run if power is turned on from xscf, so if there is someone else taking it on, I can offer PP450 access. M4000, PP650 and PP250 are away in storage. -- Meelis Roos
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 3:31 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote: Hi Adrian, On 5/9/19 18:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the following Debian Ports architectures: [...] * sparc64 I uploaded both CD images [1] as well as netboot images [2]. Please test those images and report back over the mailing list for the corresponding architecture. Known issues: [...] * sparc64 - Installation over a serial console is currently broken on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539. Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround. Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D Just one odd thing: I didn't see any kernel messages when booting from the installer disc. I assumed that there might be a `quiet` in the kernel command line, but editing the GRUB menu options showed no arguments for the kernel command line at all for the "default" option, just "boot_one" IIRC. Given that it works on a sun4u then I am guessing that a Sunblade 2000 should be perfect for this sort of thing. I know that I have one of those in the warehouse. However I think they need FCAL disks. Anyways I will give that a look see and also I hope serial console works out of the box. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hi Adrian, On 5/9/19 18:24, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the following Debian Ports architectures: [...] * sparc64 I uploaded both CD images [1] as well as netboot images [2]. Please test those images and report back over the mailing list for the corresponding architecture. Known issues: [...] * sparc64 - Installation over a serial console is currently broken on sparc64 due to a bug in the rootskel package (can also be considered a kernel bug), see: #926539. Use any image before 2019-04-06 as workaround. Looks like this doesn't affect sun4u machines, at least this ISO worked for my v245 using the serial console without any problems. Nice work! :-D Just one odd thing: I didn't see any kernel messages when booting from the installer disc. I assumed that there might be a `quiet` in the kernel command line, but editing the GRUB menu options showed no arguments for the kernel command line at all for the "default" option, just "boot_one" IIRC. Cheers, Frank
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
It can't be that that much of an issue, because OpenBSD runs on these machines (according to [4] and my tests on serveral PRIMEPOWER 250s). And for the Linux kernel you can actually see some Linux kernel messages before the machine experiences a red state exception... [4]: http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html I avoid the openbsd people and try to just look to freebsd : https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=233579 Which actually is making good progress in the IBM Power9 world on the TALOS as well as on ye old ppc64 PowerMac units and sparc is in progress also. With ZFS everywhere. Anyways, that is well off topic. dc
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 20:01, Dennis Clarke wrote: I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? Or even M4000 ? I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ... No I am not ignoring you. I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning. I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever. Possibly an actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing. Thanks for listening. Please don't mind, I was just a little upset, as I assumed my mails on this topic were just wasted. [2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3]) some years ago. Maybe this can be revived. [2]: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Installing_the_Debian_SPARC64_Port [3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2 I appreciate your patience and perserverance. I seem to have way way too many little irons in the fire and too many machines running to recall all the bits about all of them. I don't think I am alone in that experience. In my mind an Oracle M4000 with 256G of memory and a stack of processor cores is a terrible waste. Baffles me that it can not run with even some basic sparc v9 type mode. Regardless the devices are most likely an issue also. It can't be that that much of an issue, because OpenBSD runs on these machines (according to [4] and my tests on serveral PRIMEPOWER 250s). And for the Linux kernel you can actually see some Linux kernel messages before the machine experiences a red state exception... [4]: http://www.openbsd.org/sparc64.html
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 1:52 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote: On 5/9/19 19:42, Dennis Clarke wrote: On 5/9/19 1:35 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote: Hi Dennis, On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote: On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Hello! I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the following Debian Ports architectures: * alpha * hppa * ia64 * m68k * powerpc * ppc64 * sh4 * sparc64 I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? Or even M4000 ? I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ... No I am not ignoring you. I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning. I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever. Possibly an actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing. Thanks for listening. Please don't mind, I was just a little upset, as I assumed my mails on this topic were just wasted. [2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3]) some years ago. Maybe this can be revived. [2]: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Installing_the_Debian_SPARC64_Port [3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2 I appreciate your patience and perserverance. I seem to have way way too many little irons in the fire and too many machines running to recall all the bits about all of them. I don't think I am alone in that experience. In my mind an Oracle M4000 with 256G of memory and a stack of processor cores is a terrible waste. Baffles me that it can not run with even some basic sparc v9 type mode. Regardless the devices are most likely an issue also. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 19:42, Dennis Clarke wrote: On 5/9/19 1:35 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote: Hi Dennis, On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote: On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Hello! I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the following Debian Ports architectures: * alpha * hppa * ia64 * m68k * powerpc * ppc64 * sh4 * sparc64 I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? Or even M4000 ? I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ... No I am not ignoring you. I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning. I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever. Possibly an actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing. Thanks for listening. Please don't mind, I was just a little upset, as I assumed my mails on this topic were just wasted. [2] also has some further reading about this topic. Maybe you get in touch with Meelis Roos, who started a thread titled "Adding support for Fujitsu SPARC64 machines?" on the linux-sparc mailing list (see [3]) some years ago. Maybe this can be revived. [2]: https://wiki.debian.org/Sparc64#Installing_the_Debian_SPARC64_Port [3]: https://marc.info/?l=linux-sparc=142067252101925=2 Cheers, Frank
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 1:35 PM, Frank Scheiner wrote: Hi Dennis, On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote: On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Hello! I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the following Debian Ports architectures: * alpha * hppa * ia64 * m68k * powerpc * ppc64 * sh4 * sparc64 I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? Or even M4000 ? I'm starting to wonder if my mails about ... No I am not ignoring you. I simply didn't recall over my coffee this morning. I have not looked at linux on sparc in ... nearly forever. Possibly an actual forever. There is no reason to think about it. Now I see from my hardware list on hand there is even less reason to even bother testing. Thanks for listening. -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
Hi Dennis, On 5/9/19 18:29, Dennis Clarke wrote: On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Hello! I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the following Debian Ports architectures: * alpha * hppa * ia64 * m68k * powerpc * ppc64 * sh4 * sparc64 I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? Or even M4000 ? I'm starting to wonder if my mails about "Linux not working on Fujitsu's SPARC64 V(+) and possibly later processors" don't reach you or if you just ignore them. E.g. I sent [1] directly to you and the debian-sparc list about a week ago and seem to remember that we "talked" about this same topic already last year. Nevertheless, maybe you just try if your Mx000s boot the installer ISO, at least GRUB should work. [1]: https://lists.debian.org/debian-sparc/2019/05/msg0.html Cheers, Frank
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 6:34 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: >> I have never touched any of those machines, but from what I know some of >> the Fujitsu machines aren't supported by the Linux kernel. > > Oh dear. Well, you can try whether it boots. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 12:32 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: On 5/9/19 6:29 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? Or even M4000 ? I have never touched any of those machines, but from what I know some of the Fujitsu machines aren't supported by the Linux kernel. Oh dear. Currently I have a machine sitting around doing a lot of nothing all day and running Solaris 10 : jupiter # jupiter # uname -a SunOS jupiter 5.10 Generic_150400-65 sun4u sparc SUNW,SPARC-Enterprise jupiter # psrinfo -pv The physical processor has 8 virtual processors (0-7) SPARC64-VII+ (portid 1024 impl 0x7 ver 0xa1 clock 2860 MHz) jupiter # prtconf -v | grep 'Memory' Memory size: 65536 Megabytes jupiter # Seems a waste really. Dennis
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 6:29 PM, Dennis Clarke wrote: > I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for > the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? > > Or even M4000 ? I have never touched any of those machines, but from what I know some of the Fujitsu machines aren't supported by the Linux kernel. Frank knows more on this. Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaub...@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaub...@physik.fu-berlin.de `-GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913
Re: Updated installation images for Debian Ports 2019-05-09
On 5/9/19 12:24 PM, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: Hello! I just uploaded updated installation images 2019-05-09 for the following Debian Ports architectures: * alpha * hppa * ia64 * m68k * powerpc * ppc64 * sh4 * sparc64 I tried to breath life into an old Netra which was just too old for the task. Are you aware of any issues with the M3000 type machine? Or even M4000 ? -- Dennis Clarke RISC-V/SPARC/PPC/ARM/CISC UNIX and Linux spoken GreyBeard and suspenders optional
