Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Dan Purgert
Michael Stone wrote: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:18:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > [...] > FWIW, I think SMTP (and IMAP) is on its way out as well. What would SMTP get replaced with? I mean, email is still kind of a big thing (at least in business). -- |_|O|_| Registered Linux user

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 12:18:59AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: I have at no stage advocated a "generic architecture of NNTP transit servers". I have at no stage advocated any NNTP servers being "open to arbitrary groups", other than those created by group owners. [snip long list of other

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/28/18 5:24 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: I was going to say that you and I have started going round in circles and should just agree to disagree about certain things but this is a different strand of the discussion that still seems to be advancing. On 28/08/2018 20:01, Michael Stone wrote:

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Ben Finney
Francesco Porro writes: > Sorry, I forgot to mention that I dont't want to run a mail server by > myself. > > Only *free* mail services, please. In that case, I recommend against all such services. The cost of running a mail server that anyone can join for no fee, practically requires that the

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 23:25, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:24:51PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: >>If you have a bunch of users on remote SMTP and NNTP servers then >> it's >>always a wash. (MUAs don't typically download the entire message body >>unless asked to, just as news

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Stefan Krusche
Am Mittwoch, 29. August 2018 schrieb Dominic Knight: > > > have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the > > > spam > > > folder to be able to download them with my precious email client. > > > I've > > That's the fault of your email client or methodology, rather than GMX. >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:24:51PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: If you have a bunch of users on remote SMTP and NNTP servers then it's always a wash. (MUAs don't typically download the entire message body unless asked to, just as news readers don't typically download the entire message

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Dominic Knight
On Tue, 2018-08-28 at 21:33 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:23:46 +0200 > Stefan Krusche wrote: > > Hello Stefan, > > > have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the > > spam > > folder to be able to download them with my precious email client. > > I've >

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Stefan Krusche
Am Dienstag, 28. August 2018 schrieb Brad Rogers: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:23:46 +0200 > Stefan Krusche wrote: > >have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the spam > >folder to be able to download them with my precious email client. I've > > Is it not possible to whitelist

default grub config location for PXE UEFI boot

2018-08-28 Thread rbraun204
Hey guys, I'm trying to setup isc-dhcp-server/tftpd-hpa for PXE UEFI netboot installs. I have a working config for bios PXE installs, but am trying to convert it over to allow for UEFI installs aswell. Currently, I can PXE boot UEFI clients, but end up with a bare grub prompt. I'm just not

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
I was going to say that you and I have started going round in circles and should just agree to disagree about certain things but this is a different strand of the discussion that still seems to be advancing. On 28/08/2018 20:01, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:46:15PM +0100,

Re: Re : Répertoire avec des noms étranges à la racine : -ffffffffffffffff-0000000000

2018-08-28 Thread Belaïd
Bonsoir, Selon le résultat "SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED" l'auto-evaluation de la santé du disque n'a pas donné de mauvais résultats. Tu peux utiliser l'utilitaire Disks pour une évaluation en mode graphique Le mar. 28 août 2018 21:11, bidons59 a écrit : > > > Le

systemctl can not start X, but startx can.

2018-08-28 Thread Chris Capon
Hi. During a recent update to xorg 1:7.7+19 my graphical environment stopped initializing on reboot. sudo systemctl isolate graphical.target fails to initialize the graphics card with these messages: [ 340.372] (EE) NVIDIA(GPU-0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA GPU at PCI:5:0:0. Please [

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Brad Rogers
On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:23:46 +0200 Stefan Krusche wrote: Hello Stefan, >have to log in via their website interface to free them out of the spam >folder to be able to download them with my precious email client. I've Is it not possible to whitelist the addresses? >recently started to think

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread John Hasler
As a totally theoretical aside, it should be noted that NNTP is a peer to peer protocol. At one time news servers and spools were so heavyweight that they required a VAX (leading to the client-server model of news that is the only way most people think it can work), but by modern standards the

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Stefan Krusche
Am Dienstag, 28. August 2018 schrieb Francesco Porro: > Ciao, > > As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you: > which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists? > > I mean, somethihng that has a good Imap server, good enough to be > accessed by a

Re: A reliable SIP registrar?

2018-08-28 Thread James Cloos
> peter writes: > Can anyone recommend a SIP registrar for general use (I presume you mean ones which are free and thus do not offer psnt access.) I had this list, but have not recently confirmed they are working: ekiga.net ostel.co sip2sip.info (proxy.sipthor.net) sip.iptel.org

Re: iproute, NM and ifupdown

2018-08-28 Thread David Wright
On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 14:57:58 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2018 14:16:15 David Wright wrote: > > > On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote: > > > > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene

Re: Problema resolución DNS

2018-08-28 Thread remgasis remgasis
Gracias felix. Lo he reportado con el propietario de ese bloque: Dear C Networks team, In this time, we are having some issues with the DNS resolution to some domains as gob.ve, e.g. www.seniat.gob.ve, please, you observe the following test from my DNS server at 170.83.78.202, deducing that

Re: Inloggen op Active directory

2018-08-28 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Hoi Bas en anderen, Op 28-08-18 om 15:35 schreef Bas Neve: > Inloggen op een active directory domein vanuit Debian95 lukt niet. 9.5 en geen 95! > Voor diverse Unix varianten zijn er tools hiervoor beschikbaar zoals > auth-config op Redhat, Ubuntu heeft pam-auth-update Suse yast. Een >

Re: Re : Répertoire avec des noms étranges à la racine : -ffffffffffffffff-0000000000

2018-08-28 Thread bidons59
Le 28/08/2018 à 18:46, nicolas.patr...@gmail.com a écrit : Le 28/08/2018 17:02:39, Fabrice Delvallée a écrit : Je viens de trouver de deux répertoires aux noms étranges à la racine de ma Debian stretch : […] Bien sur j'ai aucune idée de ce que je faisait le 15 août vers 11h18...

Re: iproute, NM and ifupdown

2018-08-28 Thread Timothy M Butterworth
On 8/28/18, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2018 14:16:15 David Wright wrote: > >> On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: >> > On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote: >> > > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: >> > > > On

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:46:15PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: web forums, app-based, IM-style, etc.) but none of that, to my mind, lessens NNTP's ideal applicability to getting private discussion group messages from place to place (the front end UI/UX being a different thing again). Ignoring

Re: iproute, NM and ifupdown

2018-08-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 28 August 2018 14:16:15 David Wright wrote: > On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote: > > > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Sunday 26 August 2018 13:36:41 Pascal

Re: Problema resolución DNS

2018-08-28 Thread Felix Perez
El mar., 28 de ago. de 2018 a la(s) 14:02, remgasis remgasis (remga...@gmail.com) escribió: > > Muchas gracias por tu tiempo Matias. Tomaré nota de lo que me has comentado. > > El mar., 28 ago. 2018 a las 12:59, Matias Mucciolo > () escribió: >> >> >> On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:17:56 AM -03

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 19:33, Mark Rousell wrote: > And ISPs' historical problems Usenet's massive bandwidth due to > binaries does not change the fact that NNTP is very good for message > distribution. Missing "with" in the above. -- Mark Rousell

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 19:08, Miles Fidelman wrote: > I would suggest looking for somebody who runs Sympa. > > Open source, well supported, more "industrial strength" than Mailman > (designed for universities, supporting lots of lists). > > I've been running it on our servers, for at least a decade (who's

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 19:23, Miles Fidelman wrote: > On 8/28/18 1:48 PM, Michael Stone wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: >>> Lots of people download files from FTP servers but that's a wholly >>> different >>> culture and use case than Usenet provided for in

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 18:48, Michael Stone wrote: > I guarantee that for large files FTP is more efficient, and that when > one person is sending a file to a small number of other peopl, FTP is > dramatically more efficient. I am sure. But it still doesn't make FTP meaningfully comparable to Usenet or

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/28/18 1:44 PM, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:50:27PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Additionally, both FTP and HTTP were not and are not federated, one-to-many services or systems in the way that Usenet was I guess this is where I say "But why would you expect it to

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
On 8/28/18 1:48 PM, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Lots of people download files from FTP servers but that's a wholly different culture and use case than Usenet provided for in practice. And who said that binaries (whether legal or illegal)

Re: iproute, NM and ifupdown

2018-08-28 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 19:21:00 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 27 August 2018 15:59:09 David Wright wrote: > > On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 14:24:23 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Sunday 26 August 2018 13:36:41 Pascal Hambourg wrote: > > > > Le 26/08/2018 à 17:24, Gene Heskett a écrit : >

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Miles Fidelman
I would suggest looking for somebody who runs Sympa. Open source, well supported, more "industrial strength" than Mailman (designed for universities, supporting lots of lists). I've been running it on our servers, for at least a decade (who's counting) - it's rock solid, well supported by

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 28 August 2018 10:22:34 Dan Purgert wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 August 2018 09:03:05 Mark Rousell wrote: > >> On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote: > >> > Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't > >> > designed with mechanisms to account

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 05:02:08PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Lots of people download files from FTP servers but that's a wholly different culture and use case than Usenet provided for in practice. And who said that binaries (whether legal or illegal) was not a big part of Usenet at its height?

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:50:27PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Additionally, both FTP and HTTP were not and are not federated, one-to-many services or systems in the way that Usenet was I guess this is where I say "But why would you expect it to be?" and ignore the rest of the argument.

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Francesco Porro
Il 28/08/2018 18:25, Mark Rousell ha scritto: > Instead I'd say that running your own mail server would be best for this Sorry, I forgot to mention that I dont't want to run a mail server by myself. Il 28/08/2018 18:39, John Hasler ha scritto: > I can personally recommend a paid email service:

Re: Problema resolución DNS

2018-08-28 Thread remgasis remgasis
Muchas gracias por tu tiempo Matias. Tomaré nota de lo que me has comentado. El mar., 28 ago. 2018 a las 12:59, Matias Mucciolo () escribió: > > On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:17:56 AM -03 remgasis remgasis wrote: > > Estimada lista, > > > > un cordial saludo. En esta oportunidad les escribo

Re: Problema resolución DNS

2018-08-28 Thread Matias Mucciolo
On Tuesday, August 28, 2018 11:17:56 AM -03 remgasis remgasis wrote: > Estimada lista, > > un cordial saludo. En esta oportunidad les escribo porque recientemente he > cambiado la IP de mi servidor DNS y desde ese momento he presentado > problemas en la resolución DNS de algunas páginas con el

Re : Répertoire avec des noms étranges à la racine : -ffffffffffffffff-0000000000

2018-08-28 Thread nicolas . patrois
Le 28/08/2018 17:02:39, Fabrice Delvallée a écrit : > Je viens de trouver de deux répertoires aux noms étranges à la racine > de ma Debian stretch : […] > Bien sur j'ai aucune idée de ce que je faisait le 15 août vers > 11h18... > Est-ce grave docteur ? Vérifie ton disque avec gsmartcontrol.

Re: sobre direccionamiento de sitios web

2018-08-28 Thread remgasis remgasis
acl NewYork src 1.1.0.0/14 acl Miami src 2.2.0.0/14 tcp_outgoing_address 10.2.3.4 NewYork -> Todo el tráfico de la red 1.1.0.0/14 sale por 10.2.3.4 tcp_outgoing_address 11.2.3.4 Miami-> Todo el tráfico de la red 2.2.0.0/14 sale por 11.2.3.4

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread John Hasler
Francesco Porro wrote: > As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you: > which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists? Mark writes: > I cannot personally recommend any free, proprietary email service > providers. I can personally recommend a

Re: [OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 17:12, Francesco Porro wrote: > Ciao, > > As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you: > which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists? I cannot personally recommend any free, proprietary email service providers. Instead I'd say

sobre direccionamiento de sitios web

2018-08-28 Thread Armando Victor Corona Ramos
saludos colegas vengo solicitar ayuda para que me indiquen a resolver este problema: sucede que tengo una red con mas de 50 pc, un proxy squid3 no transparente, para las conexiones a internet pero necesito saber como porder redirigir las peticiones que lleguen, al proxy, para a determinados

[OT] Best (o better than yahoo) mail provider for malinglists

2018-08-28 Thread Francesco Porro
Ciao, As a member of this mailing list, I have a little (OT) question for you: which is the best free email service around to receive mailing lists? I mean, somethihng that has a good Imap server, good enough to be accessed by a MUA like Thunderbird without issues, and good spam filter which

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 15:27, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:52:36PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: >> Except for perhaps hacked servers in some cases, FTP never did have >> much of a >> part to play in binaries distribution from what I could see. > > I guess you didn't use debian? Or are we

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 15:27, Michael Stone wrote: > I will not bother to reply to the rest of the long discussion of > usenet, since I don't want to be accused (again) of "incorrectly" > talking about usenet instead of NNTP by someone who wrote a long > message about usenet. Note that I could not refute

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 14:52, Mark Rousell wrote: > Additionally, both FTP and HTTP are not federated, many-to-many > services or systems. I say again that Usenet was unique in this > timeframe for the use case of public access, one-to-many, binary > distribution. The above is not complete. I meant to

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 15:16, Michael Stone wrote: > >> As with your other comments about Usenet, this is not an issue for a >> non-publicly federated system. I.e. The problem that affected Usenet >> (the >> ultimate in publicly federated systems) in this context does not >> affect NNTP in >> general for

Problema resolución DNS

2018-08-28 Thread remgasis remgasis
Estimada lista, un cordial saludo. En esta oportunidad les escribo porque recientemente he cambiado la IP de mi servidor DNS y desde ese momento he presentado problemas en la resolución DNS de algunas páginas con el dominio .com.ve. Destaco que teniendo configurada la DNS 8.8.8.8 en mi pc cuando

Répertoire avec des noms étranges à la racine : -ffffffffffffffff-0000000000

2018-08-28 Thread Fabrice Delvallée
Bonjour la liste Je viens de trouver de deux répertoires aux noms étranges à la racine de ma Debian stretch : Sortie de ls -la /-* : --- /-0a01-00: total 8 drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 août  15 11:16 . drwxr-xr-x 25 root root 4096 août  15 11:18

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:32:30AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:22:56PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > >To be fair, this only applies to the brave (pre CDN) old world :) > > No, it applies just as much to

Re: Cannot Install/Uninstall sendmail

2018-08-28 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 8/28/18, Luis Finotti wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:41 AM David Wright > wrote: > >> On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:14:36 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote: >> > # apt remove sendemail >> >> Oops. >> >> > Reading package lists... Done >> > Building dependency tree >> > Reading state information...

Re: Inloggen op Active directory

2018-08-28 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hoi Bas, On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 03:35:20PM +0200, Bas Neve wrote: > Beste mensen, > > Inloggen op een active directory domein vanuit Debian95 lukt niet. Bij mij wel. > Voor diverse Unix varianten zijn er tools hiervoor beschikbaar zoals > auth-config op Redhat, Ubuntu heeft pam-auth-update

Re: Cannot Install/Uninstall sendmail

2018-08-28 Thread Luis Finotti
Thanks once more for the support! The problem is now solved. On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:20 AM David Wright wrote: > On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:48:06 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote: > > > # dpkg -P sendmail-base > > (Reading database ... 1562548 files and directories currently installed.) > >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 04:22:56PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:16:06AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: >Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too? Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a receiver,

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Dan Purgert
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 28 August 2018 09:03:05 Mark Rousell wrote: > >> On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote: >> > Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't >> > designed with mechanisms to account for the cost of a transaction. >> > (This is true of all the

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:52:36PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Except for perhaps hacked servers in some cases, FTP never did have much of a part to play in binaries distribution from what I could see. I guess you didn't use debian? Or are we only talking about the illegal content that I

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:16:06AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: > >Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too? > > Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a receiver, > without the

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 02:03:05PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: Isn't this true of, say, HTTP too? Not in the same way, because you have a sender and a receiver, without the potentially infinite number of other machines that might be getting a copy of the content just in case someone might

Re: Cannot Install/Uninstall sendmail

2018-08-28 Thread David Wright
On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:48:06 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote: > # dpkg -P sendmail-base > (Reading database ... 1562548 files and directories currently installed.) > Removing sendmail-base (8.15.2-11) ... > update-inetd: error: --group is only relevant with --add > dpkg: error processing package

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 13:16, Mark Rousell wrote: > > Footnote:- > 1: A more recent example of a very similar skewed and confused view of > things is the Casio F-91 watch. Certain elements of US intelligence > had noticed that many terrorist suspects arrested in Iraq were wearing > the Casio F-91W watch

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 13:55, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 01:16:45PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: >> NNTP was inefficient in this regard compared to what other protocol or >> protocols, exactly? > > FTP and later HTTP, which handled binaries efficiently. In fact, one > was even named in a

Re: [Buster]: KDE wierdness: missing window titlebars + more

2018-08-28 Thread local10
Aug 28, 2018, 3:40 AM by hdv.ja...@gmail.com: > See the tread with the title "lots of issues with KDE after update" starting > at > the 27th. Hans Ulrich and I are experiencing the same type of trouble in > testing > at the moment. > Thanks for confirming it.

Re: Cannot Install/Uninstall sendmail

2018-08-28 Thread Luis Finotti
Thanks for the reply again. On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:41 AM David Wright wrote: > On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:14:36 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote: > > > # apt remove sendemail > > Oops. > > > Reading package lists... Done > > Building dependency tree > > Reading state information... Done > > Package

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Gene Heskett
On Tuesday 28 August 2018 09:03:05 Mark Rousell wrote: > On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote: > > Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't > > designed with mechanisms to account for the cost of a transaction. > > (This is true of all the early internet protocols, not

Re: Cannot Install/Uninstall sendmail

2018-08-28 Thread David Wright
On Tue 28 Aug 2018 at 09:14:36 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote: > # apt remove sendemail Oops. > Reading package lists... Done > Building dependency tree > Reading state information... Done > Package 'sendemail' is not installed, so not removed > 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not

Inloggen op Active directory

2018-08-28 Thread Bas Neve
Beste mensen, Inloggen op een active directory domein vanuit Debian95 lukt niet. Voor diverse Unix varianten zijn er tools hiervoor beschikbaar zoals auth-config op Redhat, Ubuntu heeft pam-auth-update Suse yast. Een confiuratie tool voor Debian heb ik echter nog iet gevonden. Iemand een idee ?

Re: processing order for configuration files in /etc/network/interfaces.d

2018-08-28 Thread David Wright
On Sun 26 Aug 2018 at 21:36:30 (+0300), Martin T wrote: > Hi David, > > > You need to post your evidence, starting with your /etc/network/interfaces > > file. You say you're using ifup, so we can perhaps discount this paragraph: > > > >Currently, "source-directory" isn't supported by > >

Re: Cannot Install/Uninstall sendmail

2018-08-28 Thread Luis Finotti
Firstly, thanks for the reply! On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 9:04 AM David Wright wrote: > On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 12:38:42 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > I'm having trouble installing/removing sendmail in Debian Sid (well, > > aptosid -- http://www.aptosid.com -- actually). > >

Re: Cannot Install/Uninstall sendmail

2018-08-28 Thread David Wright
On Mon 27 Aug 2018 at 12:38:42 (-0400), Luis Finotti wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm having trouble installing/removing sendmail in Debian Sid (well, > aptosid -- http://www.aptosid.com -- actually). Perhaps their forums might help. > I tried to install and it failed:

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 12:42, Michael Stone wrote: > Yes and no. NNTP is inherently open to abuse because it wasn't > designed with mechanisms to account for the cost of a transaction. > (This is true of all the early internet protocols, not just NNTP, > which is why we have, e.g., such a spam problem on

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 01:16:45PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: NNTP was inefficient in this regard compared to what other protocol or protocols, exactly? FTP and later HTTP, which handled binaries efficiently. In fact, one was even named in a way to suggest it was a good way to transfer files.

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 12:10, Michael Stone wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:39:43AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> No. I guess the thing is that *because* NNTP was comparatively >> efficient, >> it was used for the "big stuff" (alt.pic.* anyone?). The point is that, >> to reap the benefits of its

Re: Curiositat sobre les IP assignades pels proveïdors

2018-08-28 Thread Joan
Com diu l'Orestes, diria que Parlem ho fa... Però Parlem no te permanència ;-) Joan El Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:24:46 +0200 Pedro va escriure el següent: > Gràcies per la precisió Jordi. > > M'alegro de continuar aprenent. > > Però si us plau, digueu els proveïdors que estan fent NAT als usuaris!

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Dan Purgert
Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:28:35PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >>On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:37:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> >>> That bandwidth limit is not on your side of the isp, its the bandwidth >>> from the main trunk lines to the isp. NNTP is a huge bandwidth hog

Re: programs freeze in /

2018-08-28 Thread Gary Hodder
On Tue, 2018-08-28 at 09:15 +0300, Reco wrote: > Hi. > > On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 03:57:42PM +1000, Gary Hodder wrote: > > Hi all, > > In midnight commander if I go to the / directory mc freezes. > > This also happens in leafpad the cursor just stays spinning and > > nothing > > happens. > >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:15:43AM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: You appear to be conflating the NNTP protocol with Usenet, the global message transmission network. They are different things. Usenet as we currently know it relies on NNTP but NNTP is not Usenet. Whilst I agree that it is true that

Re: canvis en el su.

2018-08-28 Thread Pere Nubiola Radigales
Possan el ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes funciona perfectament. Gracies Pere Nubiola Radigales Telf: +34 656316974 e-mail: p...@nubiola.cat pnubi...@fsfe.org pere.nubi...@gmail.com 2018-08-27 20:06 GMT+02:00 Eloi : > El 27/8/18 a les 16:58, Pere Nubiola Radigales ha escrit: > >

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Michael Stone
On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 09:39:43AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: No. I guess the thing is that *because* NNTP was comparatively efficient, it was used for the "big stuff" (alt.pic.* anyone?). The point is that, to reap the benefits of its efficiency, a provider has to set up an NNTP server and

Re: Curiositat sobre les IP assignades pels proveïdors

2018-08-28 Thread Joan G. Villaraco
Hola Orestes i companyia, A mi em va passar el mateix amb Pepehone (ADSL) i Yoigo (fibra) amb el CG-NAT, només has de consultar-lis com fer la petició per a que t'ho treguin i et passin a una IP legal d'internet. Jo ho vaig fer per a tots dos proveïdors sense cap problema i totes dues connexions

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 28/08/2018 00:04, Gene Heskett wrote: > My knowledge is based on a conversation I had with my then isp in about > 1993 or so, so its entirely possible that the protocol has been changed > since then. What they had then struck me as very very wastefull of > resources. Because I was such a

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread Mark Rousell
On 27/08/2018 21:13, Michael Stone wrote: > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 12:28:35PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:37:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> >>> That bandwidth limit is not on your side of the isp, its the bandwidth >>> from the main trunk lines to the isp. NNTP is

Re: [Buster]: KDE wierdness: missing window titlebars + more

2018-08-28 Thread hdv@gmail
On 2018-08-28 07:24, local10 wrote: > Aug 27, 2018, 6:00 PM by cyaiple...@sitesplace.net: > >> I had that happen not too long ago in Stretch. I just rebooted and it was OK. >> > A reboot didn't do it for me, the issue still persist. > > >> You may want to also check your settings in Display -

Re: mailing list vs "the futur"

2018-08-28 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 07:04:36PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 27 August 2018 12:28:35 Dan Ritter wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:37:48AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > [...] NNTP is a huge > > > bandwidth hog regardless of how

programs freeze in /

2018-08-28 Thread Gary Hodder
Hi all, In midnight commander if I go to the / directory mc freezes. This also happens in leafpad the cursor just stays spinning and nothing happens. Both mc and leathpad were started from a root console. I have 2 machine both on 9.5 and both do the same. Is there a fix for this? Thanks Gary.

Re: programs freeze in /

2018-08-28 Thread Reco
Hi. On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 03:57:42PM +1000, Gary Hodder wrote: > Hi all, > In midnight commander if I go to the / directory mc freezes. > This also happens in leafpad the cursor just stays spinning and nothing > happens. > Both mc and leathpad were started from a root console. > I have

programs freeze in /

2018-08-28 Thread Gary Hodder
Hi all, In midnight commander if I go to the / directory mc freezes. This also happens in leafpad the cursor just stays spinning and nothing happens. Both mc and leathpad were started from a root console. I have 2 machine both on 9.5 and both do the same. Is there a fix for this? Thanks Gary.