Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-25 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Then install Adobe Flash Player and problem solved. It doesn't solve the problem. It will solve the problem of displaying Flash Player videos in the browser, what makes you think it won't? That isn't the problem. I removed the flashplayer library

Re: Installation

2012-09-25 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 23:10:19 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:41:46 +0200, lee wrote: Companies may have resources they could use to provide support. Simply having them doesn't mean that they do. They do

Re: Installation

2012-09-25 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 15:24:22 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: You do not cite any sources for your various assertions, and I believe you are incorrect as a matter of US law. American law doesn't apply here

Re: Installation

2012-09-25 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: In this context, any problem with the definition of copy is irrelevant; you cannot legally (under US law) transfer *any* version of the software, original or copy, to anyone else without the copyright holder's permission, as you have not purchased the

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-25 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: http://www.iba.org.il/gimmel/?entity=869508type=269page=248 Clicking the little red headphone-with-emanating-sound-waves brings up this message: You must install the Windows Media Player Firefox Plugin. Click here to download and install the plugin. Or

Re: Installation

2012-09-24 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 16:41:46 +0200, lee wrote: Companies may have resources they could use to provide support. Simply having them doesn't mean that they do. They do provide support as long as you pay for it, of course. Laziness has a price. What does

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-24 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 17:20:20 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Sadly, we can't be sure on what the future will provide, so worrying know is useless and wasteful. The only we can do is having a Plan B, that's all. Like I said

Re: Installation

2012-09-24 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 17:53:38 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: For the lazy users who are not interested in what their systems are or run, a big _sure_. If there were nobody solving their issues (and I'm quite confident that Windows

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-24 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:49:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: Perhaps because they don't want people grabbing the videos and watching them without browsing to their site, or reposting them elsewhere? People have

Re: Installation

2012-09-24 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: Additionally, IIUC, Microsoft retains copyright, and only grants the OEM and you various rights to use and distribute the software. You, the end user, are granted by the OEM (in accordance with a right Microsoft has granted *it*) the right to use the

Re: Installation

2012-09-24 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: You do not cite any sources for your various assertions, and I believe you are incorrect as a matter of US law. American law doesn't apply here. Letting that aside: What is a copy? When you duplicate software, you get an identical duplicate which is

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 17:27:35 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Should that happens, you will have to choose: looking for a proper replacement of the plugin or simply avoid sites that make use of an unsupported feature in your system

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Jo, 20 sep 12, 03:11:59, lee wrote: Thank you! It doesn't seem to reasonably lead to anywhere. Maintaining a library of scripts that deal with particular websites which even continue to change how they present the videos to break

Re: Display hurtful on LCD screen with Wheezy

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: I have however seen LCD monitors behave significantly different depending on refresh rate. Entire areas were blury, but everything was fine when I switched to another refresh rate (60Hz - 75Hz if I remember correctly). How did you do that?

Re: Installation

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Jo, 20 sep 12, 06:31:52, lee wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: If you have an OEM license, it can't be transferred to a different PC: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_for_hobbyists.aspx Why

Re: Installation

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Avi Greenbury li...@avi.co writes: lee wrote: Besides that, it appears to me that people for reasons that escape me are willing to put up with whatever crap and problems their windoze throws at them while they *never* would put up with them if Linux threw them at them. They even pay a lot

Re: Installation

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 23:25:34 +0200, lee wrote: Following your argumentation, which OS someone uses is only a matter of which OS other people someone chooses to surround themselves with are using when they do not want to learn or to solve problems

Re: Installation

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 06:41:04 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:29:18 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Not familiar with gimp or x3; sorry. You never used gimp? X3 is a game

Re: Installation

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 18:15:31 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:52:14 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: And what about the users who *don't* want to learn, they just want to have and use a working computer

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de writes: Am Sonntag, 16. September 2012 schrieb lee: Adobe says on their website: Flash Player 11.2 is the last supported Flash Player version for Linux. Adobe will continue to provide security updates.[1] What's that supposed to mean? Will we soon

Re: EXIM in Debian

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Joe j...@jretrading.com writes: I have to admit to using the single file, as I haven't yet had the enthusiasm to go through my old (sarge?) and heavily-customised one to break it into the bite-sized conf.d chunks. Just stay with your own configuration file. Split configurations are evil.

Re: let logrotate create an new empty file?

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Meike Stone meike.st...@gmail.com writes: From your explanations, I understand that logrotate would create the file if logrotate rotates the file, which requires the file to exist in the first place, so create it manually and let logrotate rotate and create the file in the future. Does that

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 03:11:59 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: ... isn't something I would want to do, and I don't understand why websites which are there to let people watch videos attempt to make watching them so difficult for people that they can't

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-23 Thread lee
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 07:58:36PM +0200, lee wrote: Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes: The installer (in expert mode) supports an ssh client on an alternative VT, afaik. One can connect to another machine with stuff already installed via

Re: Display hurtful on LCD screen with Wheezy

2012-09-20 Thread lee
Lionel Trésaugues lionel.tresaug...@gmail.com writes: First, thanks all of you to try to solve the issue I encounter with Debian. I will come back now to some of the points you mentioned in the discussion. How important is it to you to be able to run Debian? Would it be worth some

Re: Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table

2012-09-20 Thread lee
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi raju.mailingli...@gmail.com writes: lee wrote: There are some warnings when I tried to use fdisk to create a new empty DOS partition table. Do you know how to eliminate the warning? $fdisk -v fdisk (util-linux 2.20.1) $sudo fdisk /dev/sdb Device contains neither

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-20 Thread lee
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 05:30:29PM +0200, lee wrote: Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: Looks like gecko-mediaplayer is the replacement for mozilla-mplayer. Testing it now... Let me guess: It doesn't work. I couldn't get it to work, but I may have

Re: Installation

2012-09-20 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Mi, 19 sep 12, 23:52:22, lee wrote: No, and I don't need to test them all because Cameleon said always: It takes only one which is different to disprove her. So the point is to win an argument rather than do a meaningful test

Re: Installation

2012-09-20 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 02:29:18 +0200 lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Not familiar with gimp or x3; sorry. You never used gimp? X3 is a game --- could be really awesome if it wasn't so buggy. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian

Re: Installation

2012-09-20 Thread lee
Celejar cele...@gmail.com writes: If you have an OEM license, it can't be transferred to a different PC: http://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/pages/licensing_for_hobbyists.aspx Why not? I haven't signed any agreement with them. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: Looks like gecko-mediaplayer is the replacement for mozilla-mplayer. Testing it now... Let me guess: It doesn't work. -- Debian testing amd64 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: If the user buys a computer with the OS preinstalled and the software preconfigured, that bypasses the OS install even more than making it artificially easy to install would, and leaves them just as open to potential later pitfalls. So the easier you

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: On 09/19/2012 09:34 AM, Camaleón wrote: I really doubt it. And I doubt it because some things do not change over the time which means you still have to know how to partition a hard drive, how to boot from CD or what a driver is ;-) You still have to

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 22:28:30 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: (...) There is also the possibility that they come up with a new version for other OSs. They could add features in the new version that make it impossible to play

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 13:52:14 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: And what about the users who *don't* want to learn, they just want to have and use a working computer? (...) As I already mentioned, they should go for something that suit their needs, like a

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Samuel Thibault sthiba...@debian.org writes: Brian, le Wed 19 Sep 2012 12:43:43 +0100, a écrit : On Wed 19 Sep 2012 at 12:27:57 +0200, Samuel Thibault wrote: Brian, le Wed 19 Sep 2012 10:41:12 +0100, a écrit : Yes, planning ahead is required if you want to stay in X. For a spur of

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Helmut Wollmersdorfer helmut.wollmersdor...@fixpunkt.de writes: Am 18.09.2012 um 19:06 schrieb Ross Boylan: I remember someone saying a pigeon could install Debian because if you just click to accept the default responses you're likely to end up with a reasonable--not necessarily optimal,

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk writes: On Wed 19 Sep 2012 at 03:14:05 +0200, lee wrote: Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net writes: Should one not be able to switch out of the installation process and into a browser (2 are already included) to search out answers? One should be able

Re: networking with virtual machine

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu writes: On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 05:59:47 PM lee wrote: Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu writes: So yes, if you want 'real' networking, you'll need bridges and taps. Thank you, I'll have to look into taps then. Do you think it's a good

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Now seriously, I already mentioned that the OS installation process is not the problem for users to keep linux but the afterwards, the day-to- day issues. And here is where the user's attitude becomes so important and vital for the matter: well informed

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: Is that a big enough difference, in your opinion, that I should take the trouble to test and document both install processes? What are you going to install on? My suggestion would be to use a software RAID-1 (or RAID-10) and put everything onto that

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Mi, 19 sep 12, 18:15:31, lee wrote: Because Windows OEM installations are always -regardless the version- quick and take little time but we are not talking here about this, you know... No, they aren't. You've tested them all

Re: Installation

2012-09-19 Thread lee
| 14529 lee 20 0 4755m 4.1g 12m S 1.3 52.9 1:27.93 gimp | 3956 lee 20 0 1794m 886m 56m S 4.3 11.1 10:29.61 seamonkey-bin | 5101 lee 20 0 1010m 866m 49m R 93.1 10.8 64:43.58 x3 ` That's gimp with a scan of a double

Re: let logrotate create an new empty file?

2012-09-19 Thread lee
Meike Stone meike.st...@gmail.com writes: So anyone has an idea to create the logfile? touch /var/log/logfile chown user:user /var/log/logfile chmod u+rw /var/log/logfile # probably not needed From your explanations, I understand that logrotate would create the file if logrotate rotates the

Re: Installation

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: All that information is included in the refrigerators documentation, but how do you find out about these before buying and taking your fridge home? You ask the dealer or ask them to let you read the manual *in advance* ;) That isn't really

Re: Installation

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com writes: The desert island situation is not only *not* the most likely one to have *it simply doesn't happen*. It's the most

Re: Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Kamaraju S Kusumanchi raju.mailingli...@gmail.com writes: I am trying to parition a new Western Digital WD Scorpio Black 750 GB SATA 3 GB/s 7200 RPM 16 MB Cache Internal Bulk/OEM 2.5-Inch Mobile Hard Drive but with no success. $sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb Disk /dev/sdb: 750.2 GB, 750156372992

Re: networking with virtual machine

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk writes: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Yes and when I replace the interface I have now (eth1) with a bridge device (br1), then how do I tell shorewall that the guest is in the dmz (for example)? You need bridge and routeback set in your shorewall

Re: Installation

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Your arguments fit perfect as a demostration of my key point that an OS installation is neither a money nor I-want-a-bigger-room related problem but a user attitude. Still I don't understand what you are trying to say. I wonder what would you do should

Re: Installation

2012-09-18 Thread lee
The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm writes: true. I'd like to do a side-by-side comparison and see what the choice points, and from there the necessary knowledge, for a Windows install actually are. You could try this with MacOS, it might be the easiest one to install. -- Debian testing

Re: Installation

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 19:46:03 +0200, lee wrote: Which is a very vague statement: What characterises the most untechie person on the planet? For all I know, that could be someone who hasn't even been born yet. (...) Dude, I think you're failing

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 23:42:57 +0200, lee wrote: There might be the problem that, in a while, you can't play videos with it anymore since Adobe says there aren't going to be any further releases. I don't know what their plans are, perhaps it just becomes

Re: networking with virtual machine

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Neal Murphy neal.p.mur...@alum.wpi.edu writes: So yes, if you want 'real' networking, you'll need bridges and taps. Thank you, I'll have to look into taps then. Do you think it's a good idea to just create a bridge device with the unused eth0 for this? I could leave eth1 as is and would

Re: Disk /dev/sdb doesn't contain a valid partition table

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Ma, 18 sep 12, 19:24:45, lee wrote: 2) Is msdos a valid option to choose for this hard drive? Is msdos a useful partition type for you? Try Linux, and if it works, you can try to change it to msdos. Partition *table*, not *type

Re: Display hurtful on LCD screen with Wheezy

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Lionel Trésaugues lionel.tresaug...@gmail.com writes: My eyes start to suffer and soon, I can feel that an headache is coming. I don't have this feeling at all when I am running either Ubuntu or any Ubuntu-based distribution (Mint XFCE or Cinnamon edition). I tried to adjust the fonts using

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes: The installer (in expert mode) supports an ssh client on an alternative VT, afaik. One can connect to another machine with stuff already installed via this if necessary. Surely this is sufficient to address the request. This requires you to have the other

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-18 Thread lee
Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net writes: Should one not be able to switch out of the installation process and into a browser (2 are already included) to search out answers? One should be able to. Since I haven't tried the life-installer yet, I don't know what's possible. It would be nice

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Jon Dowland j...@debian.org writes: The installer (in expert mode) supports an ssh client on an alternative VT, afaik. One can connect to another machine with stuff already installed via this if necessary. Surely this is sufficient to address the request. It requires you to have a computer

Re: Installation

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:42:03 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: (...) Just give users a way to find and to read this information while they are using the installer without requiring them to have anything but the installer

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Christian PERRIER bubu...@debian.org writes: Quoting lee (l...@yun.yagibdah.de): Package: installation-reports Severity: wishlist Dear Maintainer, this is a feature request: It would be nice if users would have at least a web browser like lynx and an irc client available while

Re: Installation

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 22:55:50 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: (...) This discussion was about users trying to use the D/i to install Debian. Nope. The core discusion was around untechie users and Linux in general. see Message

Re: No shutdown after processor change

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Artifex Maximus artife...@gmail.com writes: I've changed my processor from E5200 to E8400. Since then my computer does not shutdown. It's possible that you damaged your board in the process. Sometimes the display and motherboard LEDs become blank but PSU cooler runs. It's a feature of some

Re: networking with virtual machine

2012-09-17 Thread lee
James Allsopp jamesaalls...@googlemail.com writes: Hi, I think I had a similar problem. To solve the problem first you need to set up a bridge, there's instructions in lots of places on how to Yes, and how do I get shorewall to work with that? Then you need to alter the VM's xml file, Oh I

Re: networking with virtual machine

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk writes: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: No, not really. A bridge on your host is more like this: |--- con1+shorewall --- host Internet --- eth1+shorewall --- [switch] ---|--- con2+shorewall --- guest

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 04:58:35PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 2012-09-16 at 14:37 +0200, lee wrote: flashgot I installed something called DownloadHelper, but never used it. apt-get show clive Sounds good, I'll try it, thank you

Re: Installation

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz writes: On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 01:56:50PM +0200, lee wrote: We seem to already have that! See http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ Am I stupid or wasn't that there a couple days ago? I looked at these pages the other day and didn't see it anywhere

Re: Installation

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com writes: an operating system isn't for you. The bare metal computer on a desert island with nothing but a CD situation you're imagining simply doesn't happen. Camaleón is exactly right. Yeah, nobody needs a computer because they can always use

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 23:09:43 +0200, lee wrote: interactive applications. Anyway, what trouble are you having with Adobe Flash Player? Besides that I hate it, if you use it, you don't have key bindings like you do in mplayer. It probably doesn't use VDPAU

Re: Is it safe to remove /usr/share/locale after 'locales' package is removed

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Zsolt Ero zsolt@gmail.com writes: My question is that is it safe to remove the all the leftover file from /usr/share/locale after removing the locales package? Where do these files come from? Shouldn't they have been removed when purging the package? Do they belong to another package?

Re: Bug#687804: installation-reports: users are not able to review external documentation while stuck in the installer

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com writes: You seem to have misunderstood that Christian's one of d-i's maintainers (he also seems to be a big fan of fonts!): Well, I didn't know any of this, and he didn't mention it. I could help with translations if they need some, no idea how to do that, though.

Re: edimax usb wifi adapter and squeeze

2012-09-17 Thread lee
L V Gandhi lvgl...@gmail.com writes: I have edimax usb wifi adapter in my laptop. It triple boots windows, squeeze and kubuntu 1204. I tried as per site http://wiki.debian.org/rtl819x with normal linux-image 2.6.35. It worked initially and then it stopped working. Then I saw it worked with

Re: Installation

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com writes: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 4:28 PM, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: What you call desert situation is the most likely one to have. If you didn't have it, you were lucky. You missed the rest of the quote. I'll break it down into numbered

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-17 Thread lee
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net writes: On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 08:26:13PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote: There used to be mozilla-mplayer, but it looks like it's not in the Squeeze repos. There is mozilla-plugin-vlc. Maybe give that a shot. Hmm, I just tried it and many of the videos on youtube and

Re: Problematic install - cannot find mirror

2012-09-16 Thread lee
Lisi lisi.re...@gmail.com writes: Thanks, Chris. This is obviously sensible advice and I was just about to start downloading CD1 when Brian's post arrived and solved the problem. I do like this list! You might want to try installer from here some time: http://www.debian.org/CD/live/

Re: Installation

2012-09-16 Thread lee
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com writes: On Du, 16 sep 12, 02:12:28, lee wrote: Then tell them about them and give them a working system before and during the installation so that they can read the documentation at their leisure. I think there is a non-zero amount of users

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-16 Thread lee
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: Frank McCormick wrote: Chrome is the nonfree version. It is nonfree because it includes Flash and probably other nonfree things. Chromium is the free version and does not have Flash nor any other nonfree thing embedded. That is the specific difference

Re: Installation

2012-09-16 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:45:38 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Lee, one of my argumentation points was based precisely in this premise (untechie users do not install their OSes¹) so if you want to discuss a different thing based

Re: Installation

2012-09-16 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sat, 15 Sep 2012 20:59:30 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Debian people has done a marvelous work with thteir documentation and this step (Partitioning) is very well explained there¹ (even it has a separate Appendix!). ¹http

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-16 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Sun, 16 Sep 2012 00:30:23 +0200, lee wrote: trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play

Re: Dual-Monitor help

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: I used FVWM since somewhere in the early 1990's specifically because it existed as a fully functional window manager that wasn't changing. It was stable over decades. Think of the Ubuntu Unity transition, the KDE 3-4 transition, the GNOME 2-3 transition,

Re: Grub2 with multiple Debians

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 23:06:42 +0200, lee wrote: Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com writes: Of course, after I've made my copy (with slight changes to /etc/fstab) I have two nearly identical sets of partitions, so it may be tricky to tell them

Re: Installation

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: Computed Partitions. / = 10 GB – Bootable ext3 – I would probably go for a little more than this, because the newbie appetite wants to try out everything! They don't know what packages to select in the first place. /swap = 4.1 GB which

Re: Installation

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Debian people has done a marvelous work with thteir documentation and this step (Partitioning) is very well explained there¹ (even it has a separate Appendix!). ¹http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch06s03.html.en#di-partition Just give users a

What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Hi, trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have libflashplayer.so in the ~/.mozilla/plugins directory which used to play such videos. I have removed it for testing and both browsers still play videos. In

Re: Installation

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: Lee, one of my argumentation points was based precisely in this premise (untechie users do not install their OSes¹) so if you want to discuss a different thing based on your own experience because my user-case does not match with yours, fine... you can

Re: Removing deb-multimedia pkgs w/o removing everything

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Ed Jabbour e...@att.net writes: I'd like to remove packages gotten from deb-multimedia and replace some from the Debian repos. However, removing them will also remove a bunch of libs and kde progs. E.g., apt-get remove libavcodec53 yields: 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 190 to remove

Re: Installation

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: On Sat, September 15, 2012 1:52 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Sb, 15 sep 12, 13:18:38, Weaver wrote: On Sat, September 15, 2012 4:51 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote: What is a hostname ;)? I like to be able to name the host, but perhaps this should move to the

Re: Grub2 with multiple Debians

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Dmitriy Matrosov sgf@gmail.com writes: On 09/15/12 18:23, lee wrote: Can't we have a boot manager which is independent of the installed OSs? Grub kinda does its own thing already, and if there was something like a standardised API through which OSs could tell the boot manager how

Re: Installation

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: What if you have a more mature newbie that is starting his own graphics business and is trying to keep overheads down by learning GIMP, etc. Graphics files take up a lot of space. Potential must be allowed for. Then you must allow for a lot more swap space.

Re: Installation

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: On Sat, September 15, 2012 11:32 am, lee wrote: Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: Hello Lee, I look forward, breath abate, to constructive criticism. Computed Partitions. / = 10 GB – Bootable ext3 – I would probably go for a little

Re: Dual-Monitor help

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: lee wrote: Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com writes: For email I use the 'mutt' mail user agent. It is extremely fast. It ... I totally agree :) And you're definitely going to love gnus! I've used mutt for 15 years or so and never could find anything

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Peter Viskup skupko...@gmail.com writes: there is something like HTML5 already out. Try to have a look on http://www.youtube.com/html5 and then search for HTML5 support for your favorite browser and you will get an answer. Hmmm. They are saying I'm participating in a test and seamonkey

Re: What is playing videos in web browsers?

2012-09-15 Thread lee
Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca writes: On 15/09/12 06:30 PM, lee wrote: Hi, trying out chromium, I have found that both seamonkey and chromium are able to play arbitrary videos found on youtube. I used to have Chrome has built-in Flash - it's called PepperFlash so it does

Re: Installation

2012-09-14 Thread lee
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: On Thu, September 13, 2012 12:04 pm, lee wrote: What do you do, or what is the installer supposed to do, when you have several disks? Make a RAID-0 out of them and do as you describe? Make a RAID-1 or RAID-10 or RAID-5? Only use one disk? Put

Re: Installation

2012-09-14 Thread lee
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: The installer is quite specific in regard to where it should place the installation. Nobody is going to hose any other installed OS unless the simply refuse to read. If that's the case they need to lose the current installation to help them to wake up a

Re: Installation

2012-09-14 Thread lee
Weaver wea...@riseup.net writes: On Thu, September 13, 2012 5:26 pm, lee wrote: You cannot determine the size of the /home partition by the size of another storage device that may be installed or not, now or in the future. GParted can. , | lee@yun:~$ apt-cache show gparted | Package

Re: Kernel throwing exception once in a while

2012-09-14 Thread lee
krish das.srikris...@gmail.com writes: Hi, I wasn't really sure which package to report this bug against, so writing it to the lists. This is happening randomly almost everyday. Not able to figure out why It reminds me of NFS freezing when using cheap network cards. -- Debian testing

Re: networking with virtual machine

2012-09-14 Thread lee
Chris Davies chris-use...@roaima.co.uk writes: lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: That seems to suggest using a bridge[1], and I find that very confusing. I understand that apparently I am supposed to replace my currently used eth1 by a bride device which uses eth1 and to which I could add

Re: Dual-Monitor help

2012-09-14 Thread lee
Nelson Green nelsongree...@hotmail.com writes: From: l...@yun.yagibdah.de To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Dual-Monitor help Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2012 03:16:55 +0200 Nelson Green nelsongree...@hotmail.com writes: have no choice but to

Re: Installation

2012-09-14 Thread lee
Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 03:49:40 +0200, lee wrote: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com writes: On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 02:10:31 +0200, lee wrote: It can be ridiculously difficult to install Debian. (...) When it comes to an OS, installation process can

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