Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-31 Thread berenger . morel
Le 31.10.2013 12:44, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 23:37, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Le 30.10.2013 23:10, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote: Bonjour, Is

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-31 Thread berenger . morel
Le 31.10.2013 13:12, Tom H a écrit : On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:16 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 31.10.2013 12:12, Tom H a écrit : On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 10:44 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: It seems that even suggested packages are not automatically removed (at

Re: wheezy first install

2013-10-31 Thread berenger . morel
Le 31.10.2013 16:51, messmate a écrit : I installed also in about 15 min a multiscreen nvidia. (no answers drom the list for that) If this can help someone. all the best I replied to you, but you did not gave any feedback. The solution I described is the one I use with my systems, on which

Re: wheezy first install

2013-10-31 Thread berenger . morel
Le 31.10.2013 17:11, messmate a écrit : On 31/10/2013 16:58, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 31.10.2013 16:51, messmate a écrit : I installed also in about 15 min a multiscreen nvidia. (no answers drom the list for that) If this can help someone. all the best I replied to you,

Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

2013-10-31 Thread berenger . morel
Le 31.10.2013 21:06, André Nunes Batista a écrit : On Wed, 2013-10-30 at 14:22 +, Tom H wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 8:55 PM, John johnrchamp...@wowway.com wrote: Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire

Re: Centralized update management (WSUS-like) for Debian-based systems?

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 07:57, basti a écrit : On 29.10.2013 23:43, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski wrote: What is WSUS? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Server_Update_Services What is explained about WSUS on wikipedia seems to be far less powerful than what can be achieved by apt*. I read that link

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 03:51, ruckus rogue a écrit : On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 6:21 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: They have been installed because zonecheck probably needs them ( required ) but if they are recommended by other packages then they will not be removed. I do not think there is

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 15:56, alex.pad...@laposte.net a écrit : Hello to all, I shall want to buy a SMARTPHONE with a free O.S (GNU). Many of my friends say to me that ANDROID is a free system, it is LINUX! What do you think about it? Does it exist a SMARTPHONE with a system DEBIAN GNU LINUX Thank

Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 23:25, Neal Murphy a écrit : On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 05:48:20 PM Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 04:55:44PM -0400, John wrote: Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency?

Re: Init system deba{te|cle}

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 21:55, John a écrit : Could someone who has been following the giant fuss on -devel over init systems explain why there's such a sense of dire urgency? Is it provoked by systemd's effort to be adopted having at least found a home with gnome, made urgent by gnome's status as our

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 22:07, iijima yoshino a écrit : Explaining Why We Don't Endorse Other Systems http://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.en.html You can not be free, if you are following other's people definition for freedom. Debian allows me more choices than any GNU distribution, so it

Re: wheezy first install

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 21:20, messmate a écrit : On 29/10/2013 17:34, John Hasler wrote: messmate writes: On the first run of the installation, no more internet connection !! I config it manually as always (eth0); ip gateway nameservers and so on. Whatever metapackage you used to install KDE

Re: Problem with halt

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 29.10.2013 23:39, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski a écrit : On 29 October 2013 08:00, wrote: On Tue, 29 Oct 2013, Wawrzek Niewodniczanski wrote: Recently I moved my home desktop from (x)Ubuntu to Debian Wheezy. The experience is positive, with one exception: shutdown doesn't stop power for my

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 14:55, Richard Owlett a écrit : I have a laptop physically set aside for _experimenting_ with install parameters to determine my optimum configuration. One install will duplicate as closely as possible whatever comes with some donated hardware for the church's after school

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 15:48, Richard Owlett a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 30.10.2013 14:55, Richard Owlett a écrit : I have a laptop physically set aside for _experimenting_ with install parameters to determine my optimum configuration. One install will duplicate as closely as

Re: Choosing default OS in multi boot system

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 16:58, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : which does not happen in stable Debian (the one officially recommended for users). Error from myself, sorry, it happens in stable too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 18:00, Conrad Nelson a écrit : So far I've read nothing but bad advice for the OP in this thread. Oh? So, do you have any feedback about mozilla OS? Does it really works so bad? I'm interested, I have never seen any, but must admit that I hope that it'll be different from other

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 18:44, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-30, Conrad Nelson y...@marupa.net wrote: 4. The FSF is irrelevant to the development of Linux itself. Linux isn't even a GNU-based project. It simply makes use of the GNU toolchain (And even that's not a requirement.) How would the linux

Re: ANDROID

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 19:53, Reco a écrit : Yet, Linux kernel is not written in pure KR C. Linux kernel is written with GCC in mind, and actively uses GCC's extensions to C89 (or C99, memory fails me) standard. So I apologize. I won't even try, since even with the GNU tools given by the gentoo

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:10, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote: Bonjour, Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. I don't mean

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:07, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 20:27, Bob Proulx a écrit : François Patte wrote: Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. I don't mean that I want an amd64 debian package, as 32bits can be installed.

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:10, François Patte a écrit : Le 30/10/2013 23:07, Beco a écrit : On 30 October 2013 15:28, François Patte francois.pa...@mi.parisdescartes.fr wrote: Bonjour, Is there a way to build a debian package on an amd64 from a rpm package built for a 32bits platform. I don't mean

Re: alien 32/64 bits

2013-10-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.10.2013 23:34, Beco a écrit : On 30 October 2013 19:28, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I think the kind of information he want is, for example, the software's name. Or the software's role. Exactly! If it is ADOBE READER (I'm guessing), in this site

Re: Debian setup for python django development

2013-10-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.10.2013 18:12, Gary Roach a écrit : Hi all, I have been trying to set up a python, django, mysql development project and am really confused. All of the documentation seems to ignore the apt-get installation methods used by ebian and its derivatives. Does pip install the same as Aptitude

Re: apt-get aptitude dependencies purge

2013-10-28 Thread berenger . morel
Le 28.10.2013 01:38, ruckus rogue a écrit : On Sun, Oct 27, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: I am sorry, perhaps i forgot to mention, that this is my setting. Or, to be more precise, i have shortcut to run aptitude -R. Thanks all for the replies so far, but still a bit

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 06:44, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 12:15:00PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Any DE can, of course. No WM can, they simply handle windows. If they can, then they are not only WM. Plus, tiling window managers usually does not have any desktop and

Re: another dependency question[solved]

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 10:35, François Patte a écrit : Le 26/10/2013 08:02, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 05:56:17PM +0200, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I needed to install acroread and I did from deb-multimedia repo. No We cannot help with problems caused by third party

Re: out to get out of an apt-get problem...[solved]

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 11:02, François Patte a écrit : Le 24/10/2013 23:42, Scott Ferguson a écrit : On 25/10/13 04:42, François Patte wrote: Bonsoir, trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libmjpegutils-2.1.so.0.0.0', which is also in package libmjpegutils-2.0-0 1:2.1.0+debian-1

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 11:30, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : There's a German song called Ein bisschen Frieden (A little bit of peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a little bit of libre. You can't be a little bit pregnant. Note that, in practice, the non-libre software flash plugin,

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 11:47, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : On Sat, 2013-10-26 at 11:41 +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 26.10.2013 11:30, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : There's a German song called Ein bisschen Frieden (A little bit of peace). There isn't something like a little bit of peace, a

Re: firmware installation

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 09:11, Diogene Laerce a écrit : Hi, I'd like to know if it is possible to install some firmware in the 3.2 kernel but from the 2.6 session ? I need to install some firmwares to make the 3.2 kernel works on my machine but I can only access the computer when the 2.6.35 is loaded

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 12:01, Reco a écrit : Hi. On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 11:41:57 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: No free alternative can allow me to use things the way I want: firefox lacks lot of features opera have, gnash is just useless in practice for streaming, nouveau does not give

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 12:43, Reco a écrit : On Sat, 26 Oct 2013 12:18:44 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: At the time I switched, there was a far better support for SVG in opera. 3 years ago. It was the only browser able to render html into svg, which is standard. Hmm. Probably you have

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 13:46, Richard Owlett a écrit : In the United States of America there is an ongoing debate, in and out of court, as to just what it means in modern times. The sound byte title tends to be separation of church and state. Really? I thought that USA were quite religious and that

Re: aptitude misconfigure?

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 06:18, Glenn English a écrit : There are several Debian machines around, and some of them do an odd thing in Aptitude: lqk xReally quit Aptitude?x x [ Yes ][ No ] x mqj and others don't. Can anyone

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 26.10.2013 13:37, Reco a écrit : SunFire X-series ILOM web-interface, for example. Unusable in opera. IBM's HMC web-interface. Unusable in opera. Anything based on Oracle's ADF will get you one big 'you're not welcome here, boo' if you use opera. Sadly, some of us need to use

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-26 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 15:30, Joel Rees a écrit : On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 23.10.2013 14:22, Joel Rees a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:47 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013

Re: qupzilla webbrowser

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.10.2013 17:51, Doug a écrit : On 10/24/2013 11:25 AM, mess-mate wrote: /snip/ PS: what does means msft? Exchange ticker for microsoft :) I have no idea about what it could be... not sure I'm interested anyway. Usually, when I see words exchange and microsoft in the same phrase,

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 01:14, Richard Owlett a écrit : Unless I'm totally lost, I suspect any DE /or WM can handle that. Sorry for that, but it's your own words: you are completely lost ;) Any DE can, of course. No WM can, they simply handle windows. If they can, then they are not only WM. Plus,

Re: Choosing Debian version or derivative to run Wine when resource poor

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 11:38, Curt a écrit : On 2013-10-25, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@alice-dsl.net wrote: He was thinking of the adults who look after the kids, but even adults kde on inadequate hardware is going to be exasperating for young and old alike. nowadays are used to their smart

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 14:22, Joel Rees a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:47 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : [...] Even inlined code

Re: hardware migration

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 12:53, Pol Hallen a écrit : Hi folks :-) I'm ready to take system disk of a server and put it to new hardware machine (with full compatibility). What issues should be? grub problems? Is there a specific way to migrate a disk from server and put it to new? thanks! -- Pol

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 15:39, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 07:50:40PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I really take a lot of care when I install a new software, and avoid bloated ones when it is possible. Excepted for the web browser, I am quite successful in that

Re: another dependency question

2013-10-25 Thread berenger . morel
Le 25.10.2013 17:56, François Patte a écrit : Where can I find this library? I was not able to find which package include that particular file with apt-file search (but I do not use it quite often so I guess I made a mistake on the command) however it is probably provided by mesa

Re: qupzilla webbrowser

2013-10-24 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.10.2013 14:16, mess-mate a écrit : Hi, i tried to install the *.deb version of debian but apt-get or aptitude didn't find that file. Downloade it in the Downloads dir, cd Downloads and as usual ( as root) apt-get install . Apt and aptitude are made to handle repositories, not

Re: qupzilla webbrowser

2013-10-24 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.10.2013 14:40, mess-mate a écrit : On 24/10/2013 14:35, mess-mate wrote: On 24/10/2013 14:24, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 24.10.2013 14:16, mess-mate a écrit : Hi, i tried to install the *.deb version of debian but apt-get or aptitude didn't find that file. Downloade it

Re: qupzilla webbrowser

2013-10-24 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.10.2013 15:09, mess-mate a écrit : On 24/10/2013 15:00, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 14:40 +0200, mess-mate wrote: Ok, first error: qupzilla: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libQupZilla.so.1: undefined symbol: _ZN13QWebInspector10closeEventEP11QCloseEvent

Re: qupzilla webbrowser

2013-10-24 Thread berenger . morel
Le 24.10.2013 16:59, mess-mate a écrit : On 24/10/2013 15:09, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 24.10.2013 14:40, mess-mate a écrit : On 24/10/2013 14:35, mess-mate wrote: On 24/10/2013 14:24, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 24.10.2013 14:16, mess-mate a écrit : Hi, i

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 08:21, recovery...@gmail.com a écrit : Impossible for my usage, fortunately I anyway mount from a terminal. I don't know if the OP could live without G and Dconf and gtk3. I didn't install that stuff simply for the sake of an clean experiment. I'm pretty sure that thunar

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 04:04, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/22/2013 8:47 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM,

Re: reset perms and ownerships

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 14:13, Mário Barbosa a écrit : Hi, ( this is most likely a RTFM question, please just point me to the right FM) One inexperienced colleague just something along the likes of... sudo chown someuser:somegroup / ; sudo chmod someperms / (it's actually a little more elaborate

Re: How to ditch nouveau driver with nVidia card

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 14:26, Harry Putnam a écrit : setup: Running Debian testing Video card (from lspci): 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV36 [GeForce FX 5700LE] (rev a1) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: Micro-Star International ... I'm getting

maintained web-browser ( was: Re: gnome depends on adblock-plus )

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 14:36, Marko Randjelovic a écrit : On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:45:55 +0200 Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:46:16 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I think that midori is still maintained? Never heard of it, except in Debian repo, anyway

Re: maintained web-browser ( was: Re: gnome depends on adblock-plus )

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 15:16, Linux-Fan a écrit : On 10/23/2013 02:50 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 23.10.2013 14:36, Marko Randjelovic a écrit : On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 20:45:55 +0200 Marko Randjelovic marko...@eunet.rs wrote: On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:46:16 +0200

Re: reset perms and ownerships

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 15:29, Mário Barbosa a écrit : Hi, On 10/23/2013 01:33 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [...] Hopefully he'll remember that using super user powers have to be made with care :) He will. :) Is there anything like rpm -V on the debian toolset? I'm trying to avoid

Re: reset perms and ownerships

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 16:24, Mário Barbosa a écrit : On 10/23/2013 02:48 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I already did something along the lines of... cd /var/cache/apt/archives ls -1 *.deb | xargs sudo dpkg -Gi But this will install everything you installed if you never cleaned that

OpenGl version string 1.4 with intel chipset

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Hello. I am trying to work with opengl shaders on my netbook, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/afef46e311b079cd3f08fd53a4f9c...@neutralite.org

Re: OpenGl version string 1.4 with intel chipset

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Hello. I am trying to learn shader (opengl) programming, and discovered that it seems my netbook's graphic drivers are not using the chipset correctly: $ glxinfo | grep -i OpenGl OpenGL vendor string: Intel Open Source Technology Center OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) IGD OpenGL

Re: XFCE without GNOME/KDE parts (Debian Wheezy - HP Pavilion dm1)

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 19:33, recovery...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi. On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:15:34 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Don't you have gstreamer installer? Only that thing as a recommended dependency to webkit-gtk: $ dpkg -l gstream* | grep ii ii gstreamer0.10-plugins-base:amd64

Re: maintained web-browser (

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 17:02, Carson Chittom a écrit : Linux-Fan ma_sys...@web.de writes: I am also still looking for a smaller browser. Iceweasel is the most memory-intensive application apart from VirtualBox, 7-Zip and games I am usually running. However, I also like (and need) the extensibility

Re: maintained web-browser (

2013-10-23 Thread berenger . morel
Le 23.10.2013 22:35, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org a écrit : Le 23.10.2013 17:02, Carson Chittom a écrit : Linux-Fan ma_sys...@web.de writes: I am also still looking for a smaller browser. Iceweasel is the most memory-intensive application apart from VirtualBox, 7-Zip and games I am

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-22 Thread berenger . morel
Le 22.10.2013 23:01, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 5:26 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 19.10.2013 01:10, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 16:22, Miles Fidelman a écrit : (though it's pretty hard to get hired for anything in the US without a bachelorate in something) I do not think it can be worse than in France. Ok. I wasn't

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 20:24, Joe a écrit : On Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:36:13 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 04:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : I'm pretty sure that C was NOT written to build operating systems - though it's been used for that (notably Unix). I never said I

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.10.2013 19:46, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: That's why some professions have needs for legal stuff. We can not really compare a doctor with the usual computer scientist, right? And I said usual, because most of us do not, and will never work, on stuff

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 19:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 1:10 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-21 Thread berenger . morel
Le 21.10.2013 22:23, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/21/2013 3:49 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 19.10.2013 04:48, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/18/2013 7:33 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again,

Re: XFCE is slow on Acer One netbook - suggestions?

2013-10-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 09:30, Helmut Wollmersdorfer a écrit : Am 17.10.2013 um 16:45 schrieb Joe j...@jretrading.com: There is mate, allegedly a fork of Gnome2, I haven't tried it. I do use LXDE on my sid desktop and also on my Aspire One netbook. I have the one with the slightly smaller case and SSD,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 04:32, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what you name an OS is only drivers+kernel? If so, then ok. But some people consider that it includes various other tools which does not require hardware accesses. I spoke about graphical applications,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 16:22, Miles Fidelman a écrit : But now, are most programmers paid by societies with hundreds of programmers? (and whether you actually mean developer vs. programmer) I do not see the difference between those words. Could you give me the nuances please? I still have a lot to

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 17:54, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 8:31 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 17.10.2013 21:57, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 17:50, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : And, again, just a guess, but I'm guessing the huge percentage of programmers these days are writing .NET code on vanilla Windows machines (not that I like it, but it does seem to be a fact of life). A lot of people also seem to be writing stored

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-18 Thread berenger . morel
Le 18.10.2013 17:22, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : On 10/17/2013 12:42 PM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 16:42, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 13:04, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Anybody who thinks that being able to write code (be it Java, C, or .NET crap), without knowing a lot about the environment their code is going to run in, much

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 17:56, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : You're the one who said programmers need to know a lot of details about the hardware being used, not me. The more you need to know about different hardware, the harder it is to write code to fit all of that hardware. I did not said a lot but

Re: gnome depends on adblock-plus

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.10.2013 17:38, Marko Randjelovic a écrit : On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 09:43:32 +0100 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: I was curious so I investigated. The dependency was added in this commit¹ with the message Require firefox extensions that match epiphany functionality: keyring,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend to avoid them. I had so much troubles with them, so now I only use them for polymorphism and sometimes

Re: endianness (was Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude))

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.10.2013 18:17, Jonathan Dowland a écrit : On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 05:29:33PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Speaking about endianness, it really is hard to manage: void myfunction( ... ) { #ifdef BIG_ENDIAN move_bytes_in_a_specific_order #else

Re: XFCE is slow on Acer One netbook - suggestions?

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.10.2013 10:09, Helmut Wollmersdorfer a écrit : 4) Install XFCE without removing Gnome, because I need the convenience of the network-manager (I use the netbook in a dozen different locations/networks) Run: #services --status-all And check if you can remove some services. Network manager

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.10.2013 21:57, Miles Fidelman a écrit : berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 16.10.2013 17:51, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : I only know few people who actually likes them :) I liked them too, at a time, but since I can now use standard smart pointers in C++, I tend to avoid them. I had

Alternative web browsers ( was Re: gnome depends on adblock-plus )

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.10.2013 20:45, Marko Randjelovic a écrit : On Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:46:16 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I think that midori is still maintained? Never heard of it, except in Debian repo, anyway I'll give it a try. Thanks It is a relatively young one, still maintained,

Re: Whezy XFCE and Gnome Terminal

2013-10-17 Thread berenger . morel
Le 17.10.2013 19:02, Marko Randjelovic a écrit : Wheezy/XFCE4 does not highlight active tab in Gnome Terminal and it is difficult to determine what tab is active. Is there a solutions for this? -- http://mr.flossdaily.org Could it be a problem of theme? Have you a gtk2-engine installed?

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-16 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 03:25, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Ah, but you are more than a simple user. I guess so. I am not even a TV user anymore in fact, but that's not the question. The point is that I can hardly consider a programmer to be a simple user of a computer, because when you write a program,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-16 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 08:24, Erwan David a écrit : On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 01:10:42AM CEST, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org said: Le 15.10.2013 19:32, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-16 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 13:04, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Anybody who thinks that being able to write code (be it Java, C, or .NET crap), without knowing a lot about the environment their code is going to run in, much less general analytic and design skills, is going to have a very short-lived career.

Re: who could take the time to figure out how to contact linux ? so complicated !

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 21:37, Konrad Neitzel a écrit : Hi! On Mon, 2013-10-14 at 13:57 -0500, Catherine Gramze wrote: We need to know first if Larry has a successfully running Debian installation, and if so, is it Wheezy, Jessie, Squeeze or Sid? I think Larry needs some help to modify his

Re: apt-get upgrade (security packages)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 14.10.2013 22:11, Pol Hallen a écrit : I can't everytime do updates from main repository because many packages of this server are patched. Using pinning for all of your packages is a solution, but I would not call it the easiest one. Why not simply freezing them in aptitude/apt-*/dpkg?

Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 12:42, Tazman Deville a écrit : On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 02:22:06PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 13.10.2013 13:44, Tazman Deville a écrit : On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: Friends, For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm as my

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 03:28, Catherine Gramze a écrit : On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:12:32 -0400 Jerry Stuckle jstuc...@attglobal.net wrote: Maybe where you are, but not in the world scheme of things. A router is a specific box. A (A)DSL modem may also contain a firewall, etc. But most (A)DSL modems,

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 15:36, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : If you want to confuse things by getting into the OSI model, modems are Layer 1 (Physical). Routers are Layer 3 (Network). Thanks for precision. I stayed away from this because it's mainly of interest to engineers and network programmers; the

Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 23:38, Tazman Deville a écrit : You're talking about moving every .configfile in my $HOME? Yes. That sounds a bit drastic, and possibly a bad idea. Why that? It is only moving. Doing a backup, in fact. If you are feared by that, you can also create a new user, and copy

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 19:32, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 03:43:21PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: I know I wont teach that to anyone here, but modems are not computing stuff, at all. They are simply here to transform numeric signals to analogical ones, and vice

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 15.10.2013 18:28, Jerry Stuckle a écrit : Why? Do you know how a TV signal is encoded at the station? How it is modulated onto the carrier? The operation of the RF and IF strips in your TV? The frequencies of the local oscillator(s) being used? How the RF signal is demodulated? How the

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-15 Thread berenger . morel
Le 16.10.2013 00:42, Miles Fidelman a écrit : I'm trying to figure out what kinds of things you see programmers working on that don't need serious knowledge of the underlying operating system, computer hardware, and i/o environment. I do not think every programmer needs serious knowledge

Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 13:44, Tazman Deville a écrit : On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote: Friends, For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm as my user, I can not. I can start it as other users on the system, or with gksu or sudo, but not for my user. So it must be a

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 15:40, Joel Rees a écrit : On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 7:11 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [...] if you think that people are free to give themselves the label they want, so you must accept that other are also free to give the labels they want. Long time ago, I studied

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 14:41, Joel Rees a écrit : On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 6:21 AM, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Le 11.10.2013 23:06, Brian a écrit : are you root? It does only means you own the system. Not that you can claim to be a sysadmin. I own my car. I am not a mechanic, but I

Re: sysadmin qualifications (Re: apt-get vs. aptitude)

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 20:41, Chris Bannister a écrit : On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:11:01AM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: If you own a system you control it and can do whatever you like with it. You can give yourself whatever label you want (sysadmin, superuser, top dog etc) - it matters

Re: Installing Cinnamon 2.0

2013-10-14 Thread berenger . morel
Le 13.10.2013 23:23, Bob Proulx a écrit : Mark Allums wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: I don't nag about endless lines, ... It's not the end of the world, but unfavourable when you argument about not running into issues with your computer, while causing issues for the list, when you're

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