Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit that your solution is right. I suggested another way to do that, just by feeding the reply-to field to provide to the most the opportunity to handle the ML with a maximum of usability -simply by fixing the wrong reply addressee- and allowing the

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-02 Thread galevsky
2007/4/2, Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Gal: Just ask google to implement the list-reply button, it would no harm to you or them. I will ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-02 Thread michael
On Sun, 2007-04-01 at 15:46 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 14:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seth, I think you really understood my intentions. And still agree with all of your 6 points. As a personal view, I have the skills to set

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-01 Thread Bob Cox
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matus UHLAR - fantomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not about MTAs and SMTP here. This is about e-mail headers and MUAs. That's a large enough hurdle that I think it safe to say the horse has left the barn on this one a long time ago. Continuing to insist

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-01 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 13:46:05 +0100 Bob Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bob, Forgive me if I am missing something obvious, but I read this list as a newsgroup via gmane. This means I can use a 'proper' usenet news I believe that the Debian Users mailing list gets gated to usenet, where

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-01 Thread nicolas . flinois
Seth, I think you really understood my intentions. And still agree with all of your 6 points. As a personal view, I have the skills to set up a good MUA but this ML makes trouble for my day-to-day usage since I am using several machines, and I am neither root on all of them nor authorized to use

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-01 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/01/07 14:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seth, I think you really understood my intentions. And still agree with all of your 6 points. As a personal view, I have the skills to set up a good MUA but this ML makes trouble for my day-to-day

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-01 Thread galevsky
2007/4/1, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In the case of needing access from multiple systems, you should use the usenet gateway and a newsreader. nntp://linux.debian.user or http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-04-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must admit that your solution is right. I suggested another way to do that, just by feeding the reply-to field to provide to the most the opportunity to handle the ML with a maximum of usability -simply by fixing the wrong reply addressee- and allowing the users to

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-31 Thread Cybe R. Wizard
Greg Folkert [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:09 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [...] We, however, know that just because Joe User doesn't know any better, it doesn't mean that there is nothing better. Ayyaha, men, brother! \o/ \o/ \o/ I always akin it to:

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-31 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 3:31 PM -0500: The whole fact that majority of other mailing lists and their users does not know about this does not mean it's useless. On 30.03.07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: You mean it _could_ be useful if most others went along,

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-31 Thread galevsky
2007/3/31, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Noobie stomps in, uses HTML mail (which you are *still* doing, and still breaking the Code Of Conduct) and tells us not to follow an internet standard, because no one else does it. That's not appreciated. Sorry for the previous html message, I though

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-31 Thread Andrei Popescu
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2007/3/31, Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Noobie stomps in, uses HTML mail (which you are *still* doing, and still breaking the Code Of Conduct) and tells us not to follow an internet standard, because no one else does it. That's not appreciated. Sorry for

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-31 Thread Seth Goodman
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:03 AM -0500: On 30.03.07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: That's a large enough hurdle that I think it safe to say the horse has left the barn on this one a long time ago. Continuing to insist that things _should_ have been different,

[ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread galevsky
Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to debian-user@lists.debian.org for each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite sure you have discussed it before, but I am relatively new to this ML. When you used not to take care about replying -it is the case in lots of ml, e.g. gentoo'-

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to debian-user@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org for each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite sure you have discussed it before, but I am

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 08:09, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to debian-user@lists.debian.org mailto:debian-user@lists.debian.org for each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite sure you have discussed it

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:09:29 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible to know why the reply-to field is not set to debian-user@lists.debian.org for each mail coming from the ML ? I am quite sure you have discussed it before, but I am relatively new to this ML. When you used not to take

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread galevsky
-- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 30 mars 2007 15:28 Subject: Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ? To: Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, thks for your answer. I still can't see any advantage not to fill in reply-to, but I can live with reply-to-all ;o) Rgds Gal' 2007/3/30

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I do not want to pop these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones, and it is more convenient for me to readwrite from gmail than

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread galevsky
IMAP is not interesting for me at work, and there is reply-to-all feature yet, so I am not sure the problem is coming from Google MUA, but from the reply-to field instead. I read the Celejar link (thanks for him to have brought it up) and tried to think that it was the reason why we don't have

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Raquel
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:58:10 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tried to think that it was the reason why we don't have it in debian ML. But I totally disagree with it. Why do we have to have this argument every month? It doesn't matter if you disagree or not! This is the way this list is, so

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 30.03.07 16:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ? it missed something we are talking about adding Reply-to to ML, not to day-to-day emails. it is just the thing considered harmful. Get an e-mail client that supports List-Reply feature. Mailing list manager should not decide who to send replies

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMAP is not interesting for me at work, and there is reply-to-all feature yet, so I am not sure the problem is coming from Google MUA, but from the reply-to field instead. I read the Celejar link (thanks for him to have

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 9:06 AM -0500: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I do not want to pop these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones,

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Joe Hart wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 11:53 AM -0500: All you are doing is rehashing an argument that has taken place over and over. You don't like the list, then unsubscribe. Simple. The OP could have presented his request differently, but I don't think a binary answer in the spirit of

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:21:34PM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote: The OP could have presented his request differently, but I don't think a binary answer in the spirit of love it or leave it is particularly helpful. The method of handling Reply-To: in this mailing list is in the minority, and

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seth Goodman wrote: Joe Hart wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 11:53 AM -0500: All you are doing is rehashing an argument that has taken place over and over. You don't like the list, then unsubscribe. Simple. The OP could have presented his

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Roberto � wrote: On Fri, Mar 30, 2007 at 02:21:34PM -0500, Seth Goodman wrote: The OP could have presented his request differently, but I don't think a binary answer in the spirit of love it or leave it is particularly helpful. The method of

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 14:43, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] It's just as bad as people moving into a country and then telling the natives to modify their culture to suit them. It should be the other way around. Now that's an invitation to a 10 week OT

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 14:09, Seth Goodman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 9:06 AM -0500: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 14:43, Joe Hart wrote: [snip] It's just as bad as people moving into a country and then telling the natives to modify their culture to suit them. It should be the other way around. Now that's an invitation to a

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I do not want to pop these mails since I suscribed lots of ML, not only debian ones, and it is more convenient for me to readwrite from gmail than poping 3 times (work - home - laptop)

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Greg Folkert
On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:09 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: On 03/30/07 14:09, Seth Goodman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 9:06 AM -0500: On 03/30/07 08:32, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am forwarding previous answers and adding that I do not want to pop these mails since I

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 3:31 PM -0500: The whole fact that majority of other mailing lists and their users does not know about this does not mean it's useless. You mean it _could_ be useful if most others went along, which they haven't. There are a lot of things

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 15:46, Greg Folkert wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-30 at 15:09 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: [snip] It's like using MSFT. If all you've ever known is a buggy malware- filled OS, and you've been conditioned to grab your ankles, crying Thank you Mr

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 3:31 PM -0500: The whole fact that majority of other mailing lists and their users does not know about this does not mean it's useless. You mean it

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 4:42 PM -0500: On 03/30/07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: That's a large enough hurdle that I think it safe to say the horse has left the barn on this one a long time ago. Continuing to insist that things _should_ have been different, long past the

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 16:50, Seth Goodman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 4:42 PM -0500: On 03/30/07 16:33, Seth Goodman wrote: That's a large enough hurdle that I think it safe to say the horse has left the barn on this one a long time

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread galevsky
Okay guys, so, just to calm down, I never told you what to do. I just faced twice the problem of answering to the wrong addressee, and I saw that it happens sometimes to others. I listened to your proposal of using a MUA, then argued that it was not suiting my needs. (I don't think just about

RE: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Seth Goodman
Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 5:50 PM -0500: And the counter argument would be that not-munging-Reply-To has always been popular amongst people who know what they are doing. Most people who know what they're doing don't insist that the rest of the world changes its behavior on

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 18:05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay guys, so, just to calm down, I never told you what to do. I just faced twice the problem of answering to the wrong addressee, and I saw that it happens sometimes to others. I listened to your

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/30/07 18:11, Seth Goodman wrote: Ron Johnson wrote on Friday, March 30, 2007 5:50 PM -0500: And the counter argument would be that not-munging-Reply-To has always been popular amongst people who know what they are doing. Most people who

Re: [ML ISSUE] reply-to field ?

2007-03-30 Thread Raquel
On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:06:45 -0500 Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/30/07 18:11, Seth Goodman wrote: Most people who know what they're doing don't insist that the rest of the world changes its behavior on something that is not important. We're not insisting that other MLs