Re: bones practiques: apt-get vs aptitude

2015-12-08 Thread Pedro
deixeu-me afegir un comentari més, no és que sigui massa expert, però de les vegades que he utilitzat apt-get i aptitude: - apt-get va molt ràpid però a vegades pren males decisions en dependències (o no té solucions), si fas algo malament ho has d'arreglar a mà. - aptitude és tot el contrari

Re: apt-* and aptitude

2015-11-22 Thread Javier Barroso
Hello, On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Lisi Reisz <lisi.re...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Saturday 21 November 2015 13:10:47 Javi Barroso wrote: >> I think that using multiarch is a problem for aptitude. > > I've not had a problem using multiarch with aptitude on Wheezy.

Re: apt-* and aptitude

2015-11-21 Thread Javi Barroso
Hello, El 20 de noviembre de 2015 18:03:03 CET, Pavel Volkov <sai...@lists.xtsubasa.org> escribió: >What's the current officially recommended way to operate packages: apt- > >utilities or aptitude? >I heard aptitude development was stalled and it offered no real >advan

Re: apt-* and aptitude

2015-11-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 21 November 2015 13:10:47 Javi Barroso wrote: > I think that using multiarch is a problem for aptitude. I've not had a problem using multiarch with aptitude on Wheezy. I hope that those are not famous last words. Lisi

Re: apt-* and aptitude

2015-11-20 Thread Brian
On Fri 20 Nov 2015 at 19:29:09 +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote: > Pavel Volkov [2015-11-20 20:03:03+03] wrote: > > > What's the current officially recommended way to operate packages: > > apt- utilities or aptitude? I heard aptitude development was stalled > > and it of

apt-* and aptitude

2015-11-20 Thread Pavel Volkov
What's the current officially recommended way to operate packages: apt- utilities or aptitude? I heard aptitude development was stalled and it offered no real advantages (not counting interactive mode).

Re: apt-* and aptitude

2015-11-20 Thread Teemu Likonen
Pavel Volkov [2015-11-20 20:03:03+03] wrote: > What's the current officially recommended way to operate packages: > apt- utilities or aptitude? I heard aptitude development was stalled > and it offered no real advantages (not counting interactive mode). There's no "the"

Re: apt-* and aptitude

2015-11-20 Thread Joe
On Fri, 20 Nov 2015 20:03:03 +0300 Pavel Volkov <sai...@lists.xtsubasa.org> wrote: > What's the current officially recommended way to operate packages: > apt- utilities or aptitude? > I heard aptitude development was stalled and it offered no real > advantages (not countin

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-03 Thread Ron
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 23:58:32 + Lisi Reisz wrote: > > I can wiggle both my ears at the same time. :) > I didn't notice that. Now that _is_ an accomplishment. :-) I can wiggle one at a time... Cheers, Ron. -- Pain is life,

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-03 Thread Glenn English
> On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 08:45:27AM +, Joe wrote: >> Not in the base system, no, but I'd expect it to be included in any >> system which might be used by newcomers to Linux. One reason is that the Aptitude semi-GUI hauls in a lot of libraries and dependencies and stuff

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-03 Thread Joe
rs to Linux. > > One reason is that the Aptitude semi-GUI hauls in a lot of libraries > and dependencies and stuff. That fills up the 5MB ST-506 disk Debian > was designed for :-) That's why I said 'not in the base system'. It is the merest drop in the ocean in a desktop system of a few GB, whi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-03 Thread Joe
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 19:41:47 + Joe <j...@jretrading.com> wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:49:59 + > Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > > > On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > > > > Will Debi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 02 November 2015 12:15:51 Brian wrote: >  And not all of us are fully > > > able-bodied.  You would appear to be able to read well and fast.  Not all > > of us are that fortunate. > > I do not see the relevance of this to reading the Debian documentation > accompanying a release. Unless

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Gene Heskett
t;> apt-get, just apt-get install aptitude. It seems beyond question to > >> me that having bare minimum to start with and adding things you > >> need from there is a much cleaner and better way of doing things > >> than having several tools with the same function and h

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread John L. Ries
t;j...@jretrading.com> wrote: To be honest, I see no reason at all why two package managers needed to be included in standard install. If you aren't happy with apt-get, just apt-get install aptitude. It seems beyond question to me that having bare minimum to start with and adding things you nee

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Brian
ff than I am. No it is not an optional extra. But some of > us have to do without all the same. What are you appealing to here? d-i no longer installs aptitude; reasons have been given. This fact may or may not eventually appear in the release notes; reading them is no more onerous than reading s

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Joe
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 09:27:42 +0200 Alex Moonshine <moonsh...@openmailbox.org> wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:52:37 -0700 > Rick Thomas <rbtho...@pobox.com> wrote: > > > As shown below, aptitude has been progressively downgraded from > > “important” in oldstable

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread moxalt
On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:02:19 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install > with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any > extra packages you want *after* the install? Yes. In fact, even

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 02 November 2015 16:38:29 moxalt wrote: > On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:02:19 +1300, Chris Bannister > > > wrote: > > Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install > > with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any > >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread moxalt
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:11:48 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:37:41 Richard Owlett wrote: > > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > >> El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
El 02/11/15 a las 10:38, moxalt escribió: On Sun, 1 Nov 2015 01:02:19 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
El 31/10/15 a las 16:55, Lisi Reisz escribió: You said "All anyone has to do to avoid them is not install a DE. You are given the option.". That is right; I never claimed otherwise (furthermore, I alluded to this fact when I mentioned installing a text-only environment and then add additional

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
e not all the same. You have abilities which some others do not have. You said "The helpful folks at Debian also produce copious documentation (a Guide, Release Notes etc).At release time these tend to be up to date and are much more useful to newcomers" as a reason why aptitude

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Rick Thomas
On Nov 2, 2015, at 12:45 AM, Joe <j...@jretrading.com> wrote: >> To be honest, I see no reason at all why two package managers needed >> to be included in standard install. If you aren't happy with apt-get, >> just apt-get install aptitude. It seems beyond question t

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Brian
the same time. :) > You said "The helpful folks at Debian also produce copious documentation (a > Guide, Release Notes etc).At release time these tend to be up to date and are > much more useful to newcomers" as a reason why aptitude should not be > included. I pointed out t

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 02 November 2015 23:33:19 Brian wrote: > I can wiggle both my ears at the same time. :) I didn't notice that. Now that _is_ an accomplishment. :-) Lisi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 02 November 2015 23:33:19 Brian wrote: > The form of words doesn't matter. It is out of place and unhelpful to > comment on the physical capabilities of a participant on a list of this > nature, especially as a way of countering a argument. To repeat: you > have no knowledge of how easy

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Lisi Reisz
> to be included in standard install. If you aren't happy with apt-get, > > >> just apt-get install aptitude. It seems beyond question to me that > > >> having bare minimum to start with and adding things you need from > > >> there is a much cleaner and better

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Brian
ith apt-get, > >> just apt-get install aptitude. It seems beyond question to me that > >> having bare minimum to start with and adding things you need from > >> there is a much cleaner and better way of doing things than having > >> several tools with the same functi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Chris Bannister
[Please don't top post on the debian-user mailing list.] On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 12:34:49PM -0700, John L. Ries wrote: > And if you're installing X, then it's reasonable for Synaptic and other GUI > admin tools to be part of the default setup. I use fvwm, I definitely don't want Synaptic and

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Brian
On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 11:37:48 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Monday 02 November 2015 11:16:11 Brian wrote: > > On Mon 02 Nov 2015 at 01:33:01 -0800, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > > > > Requiring a newcomer to install aptitude before she can follow the > > >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-02 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 08:45:27AM +, Joe wrote: > Not in the base system, no, but I'd expect it to be included in any > system which might be used by newcomers to Linux. If a newcomer can't figure out apt-get install, then they'd probably be better off with Ubuntu or Linux Mint. Intelligent

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-01 Thread Brian
On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 01:02:54 +, Brian wrote: > On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 00:16:09 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > > > El 31 de octubre de 2015 21:34:51 CET, Brian > > escribió: > > >On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 21:12:42 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > > >> You can see when priority

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-11-01 Thread Alex Moonshine
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 16:52:37 -0700 Rick Thomas <rbtho...@pobox.com> wrote: > As shown below, aptitude has been progressively downgraded from > “important” in oldstable (Wheezy) to “standard” in stable (Jessie), > “standard” in testing (Stretch) and finally to “optional” in

Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Rick Thomas
I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after installation. Does anybody know why this is? Thanks! Rick

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 11:44:45AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2015 11:38:25 Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > > >

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after > installation. > > Does anybody know why this is? Oh great! They've fi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 31 October 2015 11:38:25 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > > installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after &

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

2015-10-31 Thread Jude DaShiell
I get aptitude to resolve recommended upgrades just by using the -r switch on the command line. There's probably a way to do that using g.u.i. but don't know that one yet. On Sat, 31 Oct 2015, Stephen Powell wrote: Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:29:48 From: Stephen Powell <zlinux...@wowway.

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Brian
On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?. Que Sera, Sera. . Let's stay in the present (in line with the post which started this thread) and look at unstable. Here are two verifiable facts: brian@sid:~$ d

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?.

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:37:41 Richard Owlett wrote: > Lisi Reisz wrote: > > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > >> El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: > >>> Martin Read wrote: > On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: > > Logically,

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the install?

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 10/31/15, Martin Read wrote: > On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: >> Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install >> with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any >> extra packages you want *after* the install? > > Only

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Richard Owlett
Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 10/31/15, Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Teemu Likonen
Brian [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: > Here are two verifiable facts: > > brian@sid:~$ dpkg --status aptitude | grep Priority > Priority: important Package's priority can be overruled by... some system unknown to me. This is Debian 8: $ dpkg --status aptitude | grep Priority

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Javi Barroso
Hello, El 31 de octubre de 2015 20:17:41 CET, Teemu Likonen <tliko...@iki.fi> escribió: >Brian [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: > >> Here are two verifiable facts: >> >> brian@sid:~$ dpkg --status aptitude | grep Priority >> Priority: important > >Pack

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Rick Thomas
On Oct 31, 2015, at 12:41 PM, Joe <j...@jretrading.com> wrote: > On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:49:59 + > Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > >> On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: >> >>> Will Debian 9 no longer install Apt

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
I agree. Note that this does not contradict the claim that what I called “extras” (LibreOffice, etc.) are installed by Debian. Also note that I mentioned the Debian 7.0.2 LXDE CD, not apt-get nor tasksel. In this message I meant to write “Debian 7.2.0” rather than “Debian 7.0.2 LXDE CD”.

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Brian
On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 16:24:36 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > > > I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by > > default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the latest (Debian 7) > > LXDE CD and, I

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Joe
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:49:59 + Brian <a...@cityscape.co.uk> wrote: > On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 10:01:36 -0600, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > > > Will Debian 9 no longer install Aptitude by default?. > > Que Sera, Sera. . Let's stay in the present (in line with

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Brian
On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 21:12:42 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > Hello, > > El 31 de octubre de 2015 20:17:41 CET, Teemu Likonen <tliko...@iki.fi> > escribió: > >Brian [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: > > > >> Here are two verifiable facts: > >> &

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the latest (Debian 7) LXDE CD and, I obtained LibreOffice, Iceweasel and Deluge (among many others), none of which are part of LXDE, and of those, I only wanted Icweasel

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Mario Castelán Castro
El 31/10/15 a las 13:22, Brian escribió: On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 16:24:36 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Brian
On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 00:38:25 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 03:57:30AM -0700, Rick Thomas wrote: > > I notice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > > installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after &

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Tim McDonough
Perhaps there is a way to do this with a CD/DVD boot parameter and I'm not aware of it... I wish there was a way to be presented with a more complete list of options at install time. On some installations with small disks I really don't need all of the documentation, utilities, etc. Is there

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

2015-10-31 Thread Stephen Powell
the documentation for deborphan, "deborphan finds packages that have no packages depending on them ...". That's not what I want. What I want is a list of installed packages that are not listed in any repository found in /etc/apt/sources.list. This is what aptitude refers to as "Obsolete or L

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Richard Owlett
Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the install? Only if you accept austere minimalism as

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: > > Martin Read wrote: > >> On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: > >>> Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you > >>> install > >>> with the minimum number

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Richard Owlett
Mario Castelán Castro wrote: El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

2015-10-31 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 10:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Stephen Powell wrote: > Does anyone know an easy way to identify obsolete packages without > using aptitide? deborphan --guess-all Reco

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
tice that Sid is not including aptitude by default in the stock > > > > installation. I have to do “apt get install aptitude” manually after > > > > installation. > > > > > > > > Does anybody know why this is? > > > > > > Oh great! Th

How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

2015-10-31 Thread Stephen Powell
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 07:38:25 -0400 (EDT), Chris Bannister wrote: > > Oh great! They've fixed it. I hated having to "dpkg --purge aptitude" > after a new installation. If you want extra packages, it's just an > apt-get install step away. I used to use aptitude; but I've

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Martin Read
On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of packages necessary, and then download any extra packages you want *after* the install? Only if you accept austere minimalism as axiomatically good.

Re: How to identify obsolete packages (was: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?)

2015-10-31 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Stephen Powell wrote: > > Does anyone know an easy way to identify obsolete packages without > using aptitide? > Here is one way. To identify packages that are no longer present in the archive % apt-show-versions -r . | grep "No

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Richard Owlett
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 31 October 2015 16:18:15 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: El 31/10/15 a las 10:05, Richard Owlett escribió: Martin Read wrote: On 31/10/15 12:02, Chris Bannister wrote: Logically, doesn't it make more sense to make it so that you install with the minimum number of

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Brian
On Sun 01 Nov 2015 at 00:16:09 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > El 31 de octubre de 2015 21:34:51 CET, Brian escribió: > >On Sat 31 Oct 2015 at 21:12:42 +0100, Javi Barroso wrote: > >> You can see when priority was overruled > >>

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Joe
On Sat, 31 Oct 2015 14:15:08 -0700 Rick Thomas <rbtho...@pobox.com> wrote: > > In my experience (I’m the OP) aptitude was always part of the default > installation, even when I specified a text-only (no DE) system. It’s > very recent (last month or so) that I now have t

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Javi Barroso
an [2015-10-31 18:49:59Z] wrote: >> > >> >> Here are two verifiable facts: >> >> >> >> brian@sid:~$ dpkg --status aptitude | grep Priority >> >> Priority: important >> > >> >Package's priority can be overruled by

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Rick Thomas
As shown below, aptitude has been progressively downgraded from “important” in oldstable (Wheezy) to “standard” in stable (Jessie), “standard” in testing (Stretch) and finally to “optional” in unstable (Sid) rbthomas@cube:~$ aptitude -vv show aptitude | egrep '^(Priority|Version|Archive

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 31 October 2015 21:22:42 Tim McDonough wrote: > Is there an option that just installs the bare basics of a running > system with networking and apt-get? I think that the netinstall CD can give you that,if you choose the most minimal system on offer. Lisi

Re: Anybody know why aptitude is not installed by default in Sid?

2015-10-31 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Saturday 31 October 2015 19:14:30 Mario Castelán Castro wrote: > >> I have also noticed that Debian installs a lot of "extra" programs by > >> default. For example, when I installed LXDE using the latest (Debian 7) > >> LXDE CD and, I obtained LibreOffice, Iceweasel and Deluge (among many > >>

aptitude loses the lists after "update"ing while offline

2015-10-27 Thread Stefan Monnier
If I do aptitude update while my proxy is down (or when I'm offline), the previous package lists are apparently gone, so after that, any aptitude command will tell me things like: # aptitude install foo E: The value 'testing' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release

Re: aptitude loses the lists after "update"ing while offline

2015-10-27 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey
On 10/27/15, Stefan Monnier <monn...@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote: > If I do > >aptitude update > > while my proxy is down (or when I'm offline), the previous package lists > are apparently gone, so after that, any aptitude command will tell me > things like: > >

Re: sudo aptitude se bloquea (solucionado)

2015-09-27 Thread Ricardo Delgado
root > > El objeto de sudo dentro del script es _precisamente_ evitar la > necesidad de ejecutarlo como root. De hecho, como señala Adrià, el > primer aptitude se ejecuta mientras que el segundo no. Y ambos > necesitan privilegios de administrador. > > Yo intentaría [1]: > su

Re: sudo aptitude se bloquea

2015-09-25 Thread Manolo Díaz
root. De hecho, como señala Adrià, el primer aptitude se ejecuta mientras que el segundo no. Y ambos necesitan privilegios de administrador. Yo intentaría [1]: sudo { aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade -y; } Bueno, no. La verdad es que yo no intentaría 'full-upgrade -y' ni bajo

Re: sudo aptitude se bloquea

2015-09-25 Thread AlexLikeRock
On 24/09/15 19:31, Ricardo Delgado wrote: tengo un .sh (actualiza.sh) que venia utlizando desde hace tiempo y es asi #!/bin/bash echo "actualizando" sudo aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade -y hasta hace un tiempo lo utilizaba sin problemas, desde el ultimo intento d

Re: sudo aptitude se bloquea

2015-09-25 Thread Camaleón
El Thu, 24 Sep 2015 22:31:46 -0300, Ricardo Delgado escribió: > tengo un .sh (actualiza.sh) que venia utlizando desde hace tiempo y es > asi > > #!/bin/bash > echo "actualizando" > sudo aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade -y > > hasta hace un t

Re: sudo aptitude se bloquea

2015-09-25 Thread Salvador Garcia Z.
> > > tengo un .sh (actualiza.sh) que venia utlizando desde hace tiempo y es > > asi > > > > #!/bin/bash > > echo "actualizando" > > sudo aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade -y > > > > hasta hace un tiempo lo utilizaba sin prob

Re: sudo aptitude se bloquea

2015-09-24 Thread Adrià
On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 10:31:46PM -0300, Ricardo Delgado wrote: > tengo un .sh (actualiza.sh) que venia utlizando desde hace tiempo y es asi > > #!/bin/bash > echo "actualizando" > sudo aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade -y > > hasta hace un tiem

sudo aptitude se bloquea

2015-09-24 Thread Ricardo Delgado
tengo un .sh (actualiza.sh) que venia utlizando desde hace tiempo y es asi #!/bin/bash echo "actualizando" sudo aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade -y hasta hace un tiempo lo utilizaba sin problemas, desde el ultimo intento de actualizacion me aparece eso (para cor

Re: aptitude perdido

2015-09-21 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:30:07 -0300, Ricardo Delgado escribió: > Buenas, el punto es el siguiente en mi testing semanalmente hago un > aptitude full-upgrade -y > > luego de ello, note que se habia "desaparecido" aptitude, instale en > forma manual nuevamente pero me

Re: aptitude perdido

2015-09-21 Thread Ricardo Delgado
El día 21 de septiembre de 2015, 18:39, Angel Claudio Alvarez <an...@angel-alvarez.com.ar> escribió: > El Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:30:07 -0300 > Ricardo Delgado <ricardodelgad...@gmail.com> escribió: > >> Buenas, el punto es el siguiente en mi testing semanalmente hago un

Re: aptitude perdido

2015-09-21 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 21/09/15 a las 01:30, Ricardo Delgado escribió: Buenas, el punto es el siguiente en mi testing semanalmente hago un aptitude full-upgrade -y luego de ello, note que se habia "desaparecido" aptitude, instale en forma manual nuevamente pero me pidio otras dependencias libcwidget3

Re: aptitude perdido

2015-09-21 Thread Angel Claudio Alvarez
El Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:30:07 -0300 Ricardo Delgado <ricardodelgad...@gmail.com> escribió: > Buenas, el punto es el siguiente en mi testing semanalmente hago un > aptitude full-upgrade -y > > luego de ello, note que se habia "desaparecido" aptitude, instale en >

aptitude perdido

2015-09-20 Thread Ricardo Delgado
Buenas, el punto es el siguiente en mi testing semanalmente hago un aptitude full-upgrade -y luego de ello, note que se habia "desaparecido" aptitude, instale en forma manual nuevamente pero me pidio otras dependencias libcwidget3v5 libsigc++-2.0-0v5, ahora tengo nuevament

Re: aptitude perdido

2015-09-20 Thread Manolo Díaz
El domingo, 20 sep 2015 a las 23:30 UTC Ricardo Delgado escribió: > Buenas, el punto es el siguiente en mi testing semanalmente hago un > aptitude full-upgrade -y > > luego de ello, note que se habia "desaparecido" aptitude, instale en > forma manual nuevamente pero me

aptitude full-upgrade causes lots of errors (debian/testing)

2015-09-10 Thread Hans
Dear mainainers, it looks like aptituide full-upgrade cannot be done at the moment (and upgrading fro stable to testing, too). The reason is for a lot of dependency problems as you see below. Is there anything the user can do or must it be fixed by the repository maintainers? Here is the

Re: aptitude full-upgrade causes lots of errors (debian/testing)

2015-09-10 Thread Sven Hartge
Hans wrote: > it looks like aptituide full-upgrade cannot be done at the moment (and > upgrading fro stable to testing, too). This is correct. There are some very intrusive library and compiler transitions happening at the moment. I think it will take about another month

Re: aptitude/dpkg fails at Preparing to unpack

2015-08-19 Thread Bill Brelsford
On Wed Aug 19 2015 at 11:40 AM +0200, Darac Marjal wrote: On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 09:32:24AM -0700, Bill Brelsford wrote: Recent security updates on jessie (i486) have failed: # aptitude update ... # aptitude -DPR safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded

Re: aptitude/dpkg fails at Preparing to unpack

2015-08-19 Thread Darac Marjal
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 09:32:24AM -0700, Bill Brelsford wrote: Recent security updates on jessie (i486) have failed: # aptitude update ... # aptitude -DPR safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common ... Reading

aptitude/dpkg fails at Preparing to unpack

2015-08-18 Thread Bill Brelsford
Recent security updates on jessie (i486) have failed: # aptitude update ... # aptitude -DPR safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 libgdk-pixbuf2.0-common ... Reading changelogs... Done (Reading database ... 72512 files

How to prevent aptitude from installing experimental packages?

2015-08-11 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Yesterday, during an upgrade of my Debian/unstable machine (with the new libstdc++6 in particular), aptitude upgraded a package (powertop) from unstable to experimental (see aptitude log in attachment), and I wasn't aware of this until now. I thought that by default, experimental packages were

Re: Aptitude is broken

2015-08-09 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2015-08-08 13:35:10 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: Guess I'll wait until the churn slows:) And continue with apt-get. or you could reinstall the latest aptitude version that was working; this should be the version in stable and testing, 0.6.11-1+b1). -- Vincent Lefèvre vinc...@vinc17.net

Aptitude is broken

2015-08-08 Thread Frank McCormick
I am running Debian Sid and for the past 4 or 5 days I have had to switch from using aptitude to upgrade to using apt-get. This is what I get: root@frank-debian:/home/frank# aptitude aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZN7cwidget7widgets5pager8set_textERKSsPKc root

Re: Aptitude is broken

2015-08-08 Thread Jochen Spieker
Frank McCormick: This is what I get: root@frank-debian:/home/frank# aptitude aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZN7cwidget7widgets5pager8set_textERKSsPKc You should search for existing bug reports and consider creating one yourself. Although it might help to just

Re: Aptitude is broken

2015-08-08 Thread Joe
On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 10:43:49 -0400 Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: I am running Debian Sid and for the past 4 or 5 days I have had to switch from using aptitude to upgrade to using apt-get. This is what I get: root@frank-debian:/home/frank# aptitude aptitude: symbol

Re: Aptitude is broken

2015-08-08 Thread Frank McCormick
On 08/08/15 11:09 AM, Jochen Spieker wrote: Frank McCormick: This is what I get: root@frank-debian:/home/frank# aptitude aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: _ZN7cwidget7widgets5pager8set_textERKSsPKc You should search for existing bug reports and consider creating one

Re: Aptitude is broken

2015-08-08 Thread Frank McCormick
On 08/08/15 11:16 AM, Joe wrote: On Sat, 08 Aug 2015 10:43:49 -0400 Frank McCormick debianl...@videotron.ca wrote: I am running Debian Sid and for the past 4 or 5 days I have had to switch from using aptitude to upgrade to using apt-get. This is what I get: root@frank-debian:/home/frank

Re: Aptitude is broken

2015-08-08 Thread Sebastian Ramacher
On 2015-08-08 10:43:49, Frank McCormick wrote: I am running Debian Sid and for the past 4 or 5 days I have had to switch from using aptitude to upgrade to using apt-get. This is what I get: root@frank-debian:/home/frank# aptitude aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol

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