On 2019-01-04 21:03, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote:
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > >We just
On Friday 04 January 2019 19:32:18 deloptes wrote:
> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
> >> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic
> >> growth in the past years.
> >
> > I see that too, darn it.
>
> Suddenly I
Gene Heskett wrote:
>> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if
>> most of the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth
>> in the past years.
>
> I see that too, darn it.
Suddenly I spotted something that fits our discussion by the worst example -
On Friday 04 January 2019 14:34:59 Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > > We just pointed out
> > > > that you do not
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:09:55PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 14:37:36 -0500, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> > >
> > > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > >
Nicolas George wrote:
> It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are
> wasted (unless somebody gets it and recycles it). It is the same scheme
> than in Chaplin's _The Kid_: breaking a window to let a glazier sell a
> new one.
>
> Alas, the idiotic way most people
Brian wrote:
> Using the facilities on a computer is what a user does, just like the
> simple task of switching on an electric light in a house.
>
> If by "operating", deloptes means "using", I think I could agree. If
> he means change the bulb or mend the fuse or go down to to the local
>
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
>
>> deloptes (12019-01-04):
>> >We just pointed out
>> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>>
>> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
>> no way around it.
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 07:34:59PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>
> > On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> >
> > > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > > We just pointed out
> > > >
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 13:49:52 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
>
> > deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > > We just pointed out
> > > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
> >
> >
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 19:31:05 +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > We just pointed out
> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>
> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:31:05 Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (12019-01-04):
> > We just pointed out
> > that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
>
> And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is
>
On Friday 04 January 2019 13:24:39 deloptes wrote:
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount
> > of space in his root file system, and get rid of it. This is an
> > essential system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he
> > will
deloptes (12019-01-04):
> So I was thinking perhaps this is good for the economy, because if most of
> the users were like me, there wouldn't be any economic growth in the past
> years.
It really is not, because the resources invested in the old computer are
wasted (unless somebody gets it and
deloptes (12019-01-04):
> We just pointed out
> that you do not have to be a sysadmin to operate a computer.
And you are wrong. Operating a computer requires a sysadmin, there is no
way around it. If there is no dedicated one, that makes the
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> All he has to do is find whatever's taking up an unexpected amount of
> space in his root file system, and get rid of it. This is an essential
> system management skill that he HAS to learn, which he will continue
> to use well beyond the current crisis.
>
> Reinstalling
Nicolas George wrote:
> Exactly. And the kind of payment that is expected from you for help on
> this mailing-list is not pecuniary, of course. It is that you do not
> just consume the answers given to you but instead try to increase your
> knowledge and understanding so that maybe one day you
On Fri 04 Jan 2019 at 08:15:11 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall
> > to a new drive [...]
>
> Come on, people. Show some
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the
>
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 08:44:27AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> My own reinstall to a new, much larger disk, recommendation still stands,
> that the OP would be back to a working system where he could remount
> that old drive to his new install and recover the data he needs to
> continue his
On Friday 04 January 2019 08:15:11 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > In this case, I hate to sound like
> > an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the
> > reinstall to a new drive [...]
>
> Come on, people. Show some sense.
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 09:22:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> In this case, I hate to sound like
> an ass, but perhaps a re-install is in the future, doing the reinstall
> to a new drive [...]
Come on, people. Show some sense. (And yes, this includes the OP.)
He simply has a full root file
On 2019-01-03, Andy Smith wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
>> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
>>
>> > I have no sysadmin.
>>
>> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
>> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.
>
> I
Roberto C. Sánchez (12019-01-04):
> That said, like owning an automobile, with a computer sometimes things
> break or quit working as expected. The machine then either has to be
> repaired or replaced and if the owner cannot handle the job on his or
> her own, then somebody else will need to
On Fri, Jan 04, 2019 at 11:16:57AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> deloptes (2019-01-04):
> > Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic.
>
> And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you
> noticed.
>
I tried about 15 years ago. It turns
deloptes (2019-01-04):
> Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic.
And I have not suggested that Roberto become a kernel hacker. I hope you
noticed.
> To
> operate a PC means you know how to
Hi Stephen,
Stephen P. Molnar:
On 01/03/2019 02:42 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
drwxr-xr-x 134 root root 12288 Jan 3 09:43 /etc
songbird wrote:
> often you can get quite a bit of space from the
> package cache.
>
but his var is on dedicated partition
On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:39:51 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, deloptes wrote:
> > cat /etc/debian_version
>
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# cat /etc/debian_version
> 9.6
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl
> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> udev
On Thursday 03 January 2019 15:36:33 Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, Nicolas George wrote:
> > Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> >> Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an
> >> Organioc Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
> >
> > Then ask
deloptes wrote:
> Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
>
>> /dev/sda1 23G 23G 0 100% /
>
> bingo - the root of all evil
yep.
> you need to free up some space somewhere in /
>
> Perhaps you have some stuff in root home
>
> $ sudo du -hs /root
>
> If not - look where the place is gone?
>
>
Nicolas George wrote:
> You do realize that in most countries, a license is required to operate
> motor vehicles and obtaining it requires acquiring a certain amount of
> knowledge, right?
Come on, the argument of Roberto C. Sánchez holds. Operator != Mechanic. To
operate a PC means you know how
Roberto C. Sánchez (2019-01-03):
> That would be like saying that someone who operates a motor vehicle
> without also being a mechanic is doing so without acquiring the required
> knowlege.
You do realize that in most countries, a license is required to operate
motor vehicles and obtaining it
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
>
> > I have no sysadmin.
>
> Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
> to be one without acquiring the required knowledge.
I Have No Sysadmin And I Must Sudo
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 10:27:30PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> > > > Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> > > > Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
>
> > > Then ask your sysadmin.
>
> > I have no sysadmin.
Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> > > Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> > > Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
> > Then ask your sysadmin.
> I have no sysadmin.
Then you are not "only a user", you are a sysadmin, and you are trying
to be
Nicolas George wrote:
> Could you please read the mails you are answering to before spewing
> unhelpful comments?
Next time please explain ... not that I did not understand what you mean,
but it sounds very personal.
You could just point out, that it is not possible to install package when
the
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> /dev/sda1 23G 23G 0 100% /
bingo - the root of all evil
you need to free up some space somewhere in /
Perhaps you have some stuff in root home
$ sudo du -hs /root
If not - look where the place is gone?
regards
On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, deloptes wrote:
cat /etc/debian_version
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# cat /etc/debian_version
9.6
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# df -hl
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
udev3.9G 0 3.9G 0% /dev
tmpfs 789M 18M 772M 3% /run
On 01/03/2019 03:31 PM, Nicolas George wrote:
Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
Then ask your sysadmin.
Regards,
I have no sysadmin.
--
Stephen P. Molnar, Ph.D.
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# touch /etc/ld.so.cache
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# /sbin/ldconfig
> /sbin/ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
Tell us which version you have
$ cat /etc/debian_version
9.6
check and post here if
deloptes (2019-01-03):
> You don't just copy executables here and there (unless instructed to do so)
> You install via package manager
Could you please read the mails you are answering to before spewing
unhelpful comments?
Thanks in advance.
--
Nicolas George
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Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> Thank you for your helpful comment. Unfortunately. I am an Organioc
> Chemist, not an IT person. Therefore, I am only a user.
Then ask your sysadmin.
Regards,
--
Nicolas George
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Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> strace is in /usr/bin on there. I copied it to the host and ran it.
>
> comp@AbNormal:~$ sudo ./strace
> [sudo] password for comp:
> ./strace: must have PROG [ARGS] or -p PID
> Try './strace -h' for more information.
>
> I'm totally at sea here, which switch should
On 01/03/2019 02:42 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
drwxr-xr-x 134 root root 12288 Jan 3 09:43 /etc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 237114
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:42:50PM -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> When I run "strace /sbin/ldconfig" on my system, I see this line:
>
> rename("/etc/ld.so.cache~", "/etc/ld.so.cache") = 0
Oh, and there was also this stuff:
stat("/var/cache/ldconfig", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0700, st_size=4096, ...}) =
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 02:30:49PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ls -ld / /etc /etc/ld.*
> drwxr-xr-x 26 root root 4096 Dec 19 13:17 /
> drwxr-xr-x 134 root root 12288 Jan 3 09:43 /etc
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 237114 Dec 26 14:47 /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw---
On 01/03/2019 02:10 PM, deloptes wrote:
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
Try
touch /etc/ld.so.cache
and repeat
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
-bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or
On 01/03/2019 12:53 PM, Greg Wooledge wrote:
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 12:49:48PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
You NEED to figure out why this is happening. Is the entire /etc
directory
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
Try
touch /etc/ld.so.cache
and repeat
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
> -bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp#
It
On Thu, Jan 03, 2019 at 12:49:48PM -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
You NEED to figure out why this is happening. Is the entire /etc
directory gone, or something?
Show some basic initiative.
Stephen P. Molnar (2019-01-03):
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ldconfig
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
At this point, I would suggest:
strace ldconfig
> root@AbNormal:/home/comp# sbin/ldconfig
> -bash: sbin/ldconfig: No such file or directory
You should
On 01/03/2019 12:35 PM, deloptes wrote:
deloptes wrote:
man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache
Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
cache file
$ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan 1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache
as root try
deloptes wrote:
> man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache
>
> Was it altered and you forgot? Or is it someting wrong with the default
> cache file
>
> $ ls -al /etc/ld.so.cache
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 176004 Jan 1 21:56 /etc/ld.so.cache
as root try
touch /etc/ld.so.cache
run
On 01/03/2019 11:29 AM, deloptes wrote:
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
dpkg: error processing package libc-bin (--configure):
subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
man ldconfig -> cache default
Hi Stephan,
Perhaps have you become root with 'su' only. A couple of weeks ago, I
had the same problem. It seems su behaviour has changed recently. I
tried 'su -' to become root, and the error disappeared.
I guess some reading of su changelog file might explain this. But too lazy
for that.
Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> ldconfig: Writing of cache data failed: No such file or directory
> dpkg: error processing package libc-bin (--configure):
> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
man ldconfig -> cache default is /etc/ld.so.cache
Was it altered and
This is an addendum to my original message.
Einstein defined insanity as: "trying the same thing and expecting a
different answer". In spite of that I tried apt-get dist-upgrade again
and got:
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# apt dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
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