Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

>> Cap programa no t'hauria de donar mai cap incidència pel fet de no tenir >> memòria d'intercanvi (Swap) a la unitat interna de l'ordinador. La >> pràctica totalitat dels programes deleguen la gestió de memòria al nucli >> del sistema operatiu, que és el què gestiona la diferència entre memòria

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

El dl., 4 d’oct. 2021, 18:03, Narcis Garcia va escriure: > El 3/10/21 a les 20:57, Julio Amorós ha escrit: > > > > > > > > > > El problema és quan el sistema es queda sense memòria i comença a fer > > servir swap el funcionament es s'alenteix tant que el sistema queda > >

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

El 3/10/21 a les 20:57, Julio Amorós ha escrit: > > > > > El problema és quan el sistema es queda sense memòria i comença a fer > servir swap el funcionament es s'alenteix tant que el sistema queda > inutilitzable, fins al punt que no és possible ni tan sols matar el > procés

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

> El problema és quan el sistema es queda sense memòria i comença a fer > servir swap el funcionament es s'alenteix tant que el sistema queda > inutilitzable, fins al punt que no és possible ni tan sols matar el > procés manualment. Suposo que si t'esperes suficientment l'oom-killer > l'acabaria

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

2021-10- 3, 03:12 (+0200); Jordi Miguel escriu: > Si estàs pensant que el oom-killer hauria d'haver matat el Firefox, > segons el que ens expliquen probablement hauria d'haver passat, però > també és possible que no s'hagués exhaurit tota la memòria sinó que > s'ha quedat a prop del límit però

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

El 3/10/21 a les 3:12, Jordi Miguel ha escrit: [...] Si estàs pensant que el oom-killer hauria d'haver matat el Firefox, segons el que ens expliquen probablement hauria d'haver passat, però també és possible que no s'hagués exhaurit tota la memòria sinó que s'ha quedat a prop del límit però

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

ucture/dev-oom-killer.html >que ve de > https://juantrucupei.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/desactivar-oom-killer-out-of-memory-killer/ > > [1] > https://dev.to/msugakov/taking-firefox-memory-usage-under-control-on-linux-4b02 > > [2] > p = find_lock_task_mm(p); >

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-killer-or-savior/ https://www.oracle.com/technical-resources/articles/it-infrastructure/dev-oom-killer.html   que ve de https://juantrucupei.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/desactivar-oom-killer-out-of-memory-killer/ [1] https://dev.to/msugakov/taking-firefox-memory-usage-under-control-on-linux-4b02

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

El 2/10/21 a les 13:28, Àlex ha escrit: > Fa uns dies que veig que els llocs de Google funcionen millor amb > Chromium que amb Firefox. Potser només passa amb Firefox. Naturalment quan es tracta d'aquest tipus de corporació. També passa que els llocs de Microsoft funcionen millor amb navegadors

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

Bones, No coneixo massa tema però sé que els contenidors i tecnologies com docker i kubernetes fan servir cgroups per controlar els recursos que es reserven per cada contenidor: https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/cgroups.7.html signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

[1] https://support.google.com/drive/answer/2494822?hl=en [2] https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/mm/oom_kill.c#L195 Salutacions, Jordi -- El sáb, 2 oct 2021 a las 13:28, Àlex () escribió: > > > > Em crida molt l'atenció que Google Slides faci petar el navegador quan >

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

Em crida molt l'atenció que Google Slides faci petar el navegador quan es comparteix una presentació amb 100 persones. No és tant quan 100 persones obren el document, com quan un d'ells fa clic al botó d'iniciar reproducció. Quan moltes persones tenen el document obert el sistema no

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

El 2/10/21 a les 12:07, Àlex ha escrit: [...] L'atac ha estat amb Google Slides i sembla fàcil de reproduir. Algú em va passar una presentació de Google Slides i, enlloc de passar-ho a pdf, vaig compartir l'enllaç de la presentació amb 25 alumnes. Fins aquí res anormal. Els 25 alumnes van

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

demana tota la RAM. Si des de fa anys els sistemes operatius per defecte venen protegits contra bombes fork , crec que per defecte també haurien de venir protegits contra aquest altre tipus de problemes, especialment amb lo "irresponsiu" que es torna l'escriptori de Linux quan esgo

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

ant un atac D.O.S. ? La més senzilla són els límits (per defecte, molt laxos): $ ulimit -a > He trobat això, però no sé si hi ha una manera més senzilla: > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44985/limit-memory-usage-for-a-single-linux-process Més senzilla que quina? En aques

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

dona'ns detalls de l'arquitectura: - amb quina eina has fet la presentació (alguna cosa a sobre de firefox, oi? quina) - com visualitzen els alumnes la teva presentació: esteu en una mateixa aula (xarxa local) i ho veuen per un projector o en remot (i els alumnes amb els portàtils)

Re: pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

He trobat això, però no sé si hi ha una manera més senzilla: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/44985/limit-memory-usage-for-a-single-linux-process

pregunta sobre el nucli Linux

Benvolguts/des, Avui els meus estudiants de FP han aconseguit tombar amb un atac DOS l'ordinador amb el que feia una presentació (un Ubuntu 18.04 completament actualitzat) fent que en menys d'un segon el Firefox reclamés tota la memòria del sistema (16Gb RAM + 4Gb swap) Hi ha alguna

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Hello, On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 07:27:17AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > I think the primary use case of debian-user-offtopic would be to > have a place for people on debian-user to tell others to move > their threads. It is technically feasible of course. That's not the bit I'd have doubts about.

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

;. Yes it was different before but those are changes that goes with the fact that now Linux is more democratic. Some distribution made good publicity (I think of Ubuntu) and this made more people start using Linux, even ones that weren't system admins or that weren't forced to use a Unix/Linux syste

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 07:23 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > I've been subscribed to this list for a long time and I've seen a > change in how it is being used, which I think is harmful to its core > purpose 100% agree. I'm another long time subscriber here and this is just bonkers lately. The

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On 2021-08-19 2:18 a.m., deloptes wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> You seem pretty good a drawing a line between *good* and *bad*, always >> putting yourself on the *good* side. >> > > see this is exactly the attitude I am reffering to. > >> What if ? What if there wasn't

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:34:24AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: What if ? What if there wasn't any *bad* user ? You are the one bringing over old subject that you consider off-topic. You seem really touched by giving your self a role as governor of a mailing list or policing

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > You seem pretty good a drawing a line between *good* and *bad*, always > putting yourself on the *good* side. > see this is exactly the attitude I am reffering to. > What if ? What if there wasn't any *bad* user ? You are the one bringing > over old

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On 2021-08-18 12:57 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 14:27:13 +0200, deloptes wrote: > >> Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >>> I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the >>> official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere.  But, >>> such a list will only

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On 2021-08-17 7:04 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 14:56:30 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > [...] > >> Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a >> lot >> of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. > > Nice? Really? There was one.

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 14:27:13 +0200, deloptes wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the > > official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere.  But, > > such a list will only serve its purpose if it gets used *instead* > >

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the > official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere.  But, > such a list will only serve its purpose if it gets used *instead* > of off-topic conversations on this list. Does anyone think that >

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 07:27:17 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > I think the primary use case of debian-user-offtopic would be to > have a place for people on debian-user to tell others to move > their threads. That sounds like a useful thing -- somebody could point out that a post is off- topic and

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 02:56:30PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a > > lot > > of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. > > I think the way forward this time would be to request

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 02:56:30PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a lot of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the official Debian mailing list

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 14:56:30 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] > Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a > lot > of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. Nice? Really? There was one. It failed abysmally in its task. The boys and girls post

Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 10:54:34 AM SDA wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:01:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 08:26:34AM -0400, SDA wrote: > > > BTW there has been an off-topic list introduced by a community member, > > > but it seems has had little uptake. > >

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:01:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 08:26:34AM -0400, SDA wrote: > > BTW there has been an off-topic list introduced by a community member, > > but it seems has had little uptake. > > I looked into this the other day, because I hadn't seen

Re: [WAS Re: Grub efi etc - specific mention of WSL - Windows Subsystem for Linux]

of the best way of learning is by trial and error. Having good >> methods of separating cause and effects, taking time to read (always a >> bit stupid not to read the release note to only find afterward that you >> forgot a very important thing that wasn't needed for the pas

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 08:26:34AM -0400, SDA wrote: BTW there has been an off-topic list introduced by a community member, but it seems has had little uptake. I looked into this the other day, because I hadn't seen reference to it for a while. It was called d-community-offtopic; it was hosted

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 06:05:58PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > I'm afraid this conversation is a waste of time. > The goal posts are moved around at convenience, rather in than any > serious manner at resolving an issue that is minor, if even existent. > Cheers! > > Harry. Oh it exists Harry! I've

[WAS Re: Grub efi etc - specific mention of WSL - Windows Subsystem for Linux]

note to only find afterward that you > forgot a very important thing that wasn't needed for the past 20 &+ > release but is so now). > > And one of the best hint for learning is to ask the good persons. I > don't use *Windows Subsystem for Linux* and if I would, then it's not >

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 09:12:08PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-09 9:37 p.m., Andy Smith wrote: > > I'm sorry you feel that way. It has felt quite frustrating having to > > repeat myself when I thought I was being clear about what I meant. > I think it would

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hi, On 2021-08-09 9:37 p.m., Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 06:05:58PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >>> So that's where I think the problems are and why I think it would be >>> good to try separating the user support from the debate club. >> >> I'm afraid this conversation is a

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 02:51:02AM +0200, Linux-Fan wrote: > I think that switching support over to a different medium i.e. from e- > mail to Q will see a different sort of user participating. > Hence, the "community" one would find on the Q site is not there yet.

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 06:05:58PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > > So that's where I think the problems are and why I think it would be > > good to try separating the user support from the debate club. > > I'm afraid this conversation is a waste of time. I'm sorry you feel that way. It has felt

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:22:46PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > On 10-08-2021 09:01, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 10:19:19PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > >> I am asking the Debian Project to can this list in favour of an > >> alternate solution or else to make it strictly for

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On 10-08-2021 10:59, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:06:43PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: >> > I really don't want to get into calling out specific sub-threads >> > that have been ridiculously off-topic recently, They are not hard to >>

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:06:43PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: > > I really don't want to get into calling out specific sub-threads > > that have been ridiculously off-topic recently, They are not hard to > > find; there's just so many of them. > > That

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

rs. Whether the combination of IRC+e-mail is still “up to date” with practices from younger free software projects can still be debated. I have read articles claiming that participating in Linux kernel development is hard because they are not tracking their development using Github issues where

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On 10-08-2021 09:01, Andy Smith wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 10:19:19PM +, Andy Smith wrote: >> I am asking the Debian Project to can this list in favour of an >> alternate solution or else to make it strictly for Debian-related >> posts only. > > I want to walk this one back a bit as

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 05:01:50PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: >> > A lack of politeness isn't really debian-user's biggest problem. I >> > think debian-user's biggest problem is the lack of restraint >> >

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 10:19:19PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > I am asking the Debian Project to can this list in favour of an > alternate solution or else to make it strictly for Debian-related > posts only. I want to walk this one back a bit as there's no need to destroy the community that

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 07:26:50AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 09:33:02PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > My only suggestion was a Stack Overflow-style question-answer site. > > Those aren't discussion forums. > > Two things: (a) SO is a commercial site. It has

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 05:01:50PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: > > A lack of politeness isn't really debian-user's biggest problem. I > > think debian-user's biggest problem is the lack of restraint > > prolific posters have on posting every thought that

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:09:19PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 11:09:24AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [mailman, threads crossing month boundaries] > I'm fairly sure it will resemble mailman (<=2) in this respect yes. > But that's also how the Debian mailing

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 11:09:24AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: If it bears any similarity to classic mailman, then colour me unimpressed. My pet peeve with that one is that it cuts lists into month sized slices (which makes kind of sense when you want a month view, but puts you in an awkward

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

On 2021-08-07, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 7/8/21 08:58, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Not "you're wrong", but "you can't prove it". >> >> To me, that's a tacit ADMISSION of guilt. > > > Ah I see another avid watcher of Police drama speaking here > Sherlock has left the building.

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 08:33:08AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > >To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > >for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a > >Stack Overflow-like

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a Stack Overflow-like site. I agree with you to some extent. I've wondered for a long while whether

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 09:33:02PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:00:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > …which, again, I haven't suggested. I don't know why you keep going > back to the idea of web forums. It's obvious that a web discussion > forum

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:00:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: >> > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue >> > for user support and I would these

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:00:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > > for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a > > Stack

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > any ideas on how to make the situation better? > > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > for user support and I would

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hi, > If you particularly want to do this, CoDidact is a non-profit > developing and running a GNU Affero-licensed codebase for this > sort of thing. I know one of the founders, if you'd like an > introduction. https://codidact.org/ > I've looked at CoDiact and this seem to be using many

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > any ideas on how to make the situation better? > > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a >

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On 0808, Andy Smith wrote: >On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> any ideas on how to make the situation better? > >To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue >for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a >Stack

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > any ideas on how to make the situation better? To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a Stack Overflow-like site. The chief

On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 02:03:27AM -0500, Brian Thompson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Sun, 2021-08-08 at 07:57 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 05:08:18PM -0500, Brian Thompson wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > The debian-user mailing

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sun, 2021-08-08 at 07:57 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 05:08:18PM -0500, Brian Thompson wrote: > > [...] > > > The debian-user mailing list is a joke [...] > > You would expect some conflict in such a big community.

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 05:08:18PM -0500, Brian Thompson wrote: [...] > The debian-user mailing list is a joke [...] You would expect some conflict in such a big community. Nevertheless, what you're doing here doesn't help in any way, I fear. Perhaps you don't care, but then... why are you

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Sat, 2021-08-07 at 23:01 +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 23:24:31 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 02:26:41PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Accusing people of trolling is

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 23:24:31 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 02:26:41PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > [...] > > > Accusing people of trolling is generally not helpful in any way. > > I totally agree. And I'm a bit horrified by the hostility shown > towards the

Re: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian

On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 02:26:41PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: [...] > Accusing people of trolling is generally not helpful in any way. I totally agree. And I'm a bit horrified by the hostility shown towards the OP by some. Cheers - t signature.asc Description: Digital signature

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On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 14:26:41 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 10:02:36AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 2021-08-07 9:31 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 11:56:52AM +0100, Brian wrote: > > >> On Fri 06 Aug

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On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 11:07:01 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-07 11:00 a.m., Brian wrote: > > On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 10:02:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > > > [Snipping] > > > >> *Dider*: There's some similarities between this dude and

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Hi, On 2021-08-07 11:00 a.m., Brian wrote: > On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 10:02:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > [Snipping] > >> *Dider*: There's some similarities between this dude and two others troller. > > didier gaumet said more than that. He said: > > > I can give no

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On 2021-08-07 10:26 a.m., Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > I think that this person had difficulties in explaining themselves. That made > it annoying / frustrating to see no progress. We all threw in effort and it > didn't seem to be going very far. I'm not going to speculate whther that >

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On Sat 07 Aug 2021 at 10:02:36 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [Snipping] > *Dider*: There's some similarities between this dude and two others troller. didier gaumet said more than that. He said: > I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, > Rishi and roa

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On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 10:02:36AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-07 9:31 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 11:56:52AM +0100, Brian wrote: > >> On Fri 06 Aug 2021 at 19:11:48 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > >> wrote: > >> > >>

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Hi, On 2021-08-07 9:31 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 11:56:52AM +0100, Brian wrote: >> On Fri 06 Aug 2021 at 19:11:48 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>> It's only required that people believe you did something for them to act >>> like you did

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On Sat, Aug 07, 2021 at 11:56:52AM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Fri 06 Aug 2021 at 19:11:48 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > > [...] > > > It's only required that people believe you did something for them to act > > like you did it. > > Indeed. Disseminate an unsubstantiated rumour

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On Fri 06 Aug 2021 at 19:11:48 -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: [...] > It's only required that people believe you did something for them to act > like you did it. Indeed. Disseminate an unsubstantiated rumour (as in this thread) and it's not long before the lynch mob hits the

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On 7/8/21 16:25, deloptes wrote: I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa moshin (non-limitative list) are the same Good afternoon All Should I change to subject? I've been mulling over this situation as I wondered along our river. I recall a discussion

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didier gaumet wrote: > I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa > moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling > similarities... when FSF started, they did not think about so many things ... but mainly that the psychopats would multiply

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On 7/8/21 02:34, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: Maybe ask on a Fedora mailing list / support group / stack overflow ? In reality, perhaps we should have left this thread here? -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 0447 667 468

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On 7/8/21 08:58, Greg Wooledge wrote: Not "you're wrong", but "you can't prove it". To me, that's a tacit ADMISSION of guilt. Ah I see another avid watcher of Police drama speaking here -- All the best Keith Bainbridge keith.bainbridge.3...@gmail.com 0447 667 468

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Hi, On 2021-08-06 6:58 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 2021-08-06 5:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: >>> On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote: Didier, most certainly

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On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 06:49:13PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-06 5:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote: > >> Didier, > >> most certainly you cannot prove > > > > Wow. You really are a horrible

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Hi, On 2021-08-06 6:41 p.m., Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > Hi, > > On 2021-08-06 2:32 p.m., didier gaumet wrote: >> I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa >> moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling >> similarities... >>

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Hi, On 2021-08-06 5:08 p.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote: >> Didier, >> most certainly you cannot prove > > Wow. You really are a horrible person, aren't you. > > And so, another person goes into my kill file. > Showing a random

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Hi, On 2021-08-06 4:48 p.m., Gunnar Gervin wrote: > Didier, > most certainly you cannot prove > God bless you. > BR, > Gunnar Gervin. >   20200619_165027.jpg > > > I think you just prove here that you are

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Hi, On 2021-08-06 2:32 p.m., didier gaumet wrote: > I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa > moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling > similarities... > Similarities are a form of evidence when they leave the "random possibility"

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On Fri, Aug 06, 2021 at 11:48:46PM +0300, Gunnar Gervin wrote: > Didier, > most certainly you cannot prove Wow. You really are a horrible person, aren't you. And so, another person goes into my kill file.

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I'm out. Geg On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 21:57 didier gaumet, wrote: > I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa > moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling > similarities... > >

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Didier, most certainly you cannot prove God bless you. BR, Gunnar Gervin. 20200619_165027.jpg On Fri, 6 Aug 2021, 21:57 didier gaumet, wrote: > I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin,

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I can give no evidence but chances are that Gunnar Gervin, Rishi and roa moshin (non-limitative list) are the same troll: there are troubling similarities...

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