Am 2007-06-15 16:41:31, schrieb John Hasler:
Jan Willem Stumpel writes:
I suspect some developers have been too generous in assigning
dependencies to some packages -- especially library packages.
It's upstream that decides to link to the libraries.
But Debian-Maintainers CAN change the
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 09:10:15AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
I gave up on aptitude long ago because it kept trying, and sometimes
succeeding, to remove lots of things it shouldn't. I now use apt-get
via wajig, which seems to be one of the best-kept Linux secrets.
Interesting. I'll try to
On 15 Jun 2007, CaT wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as
required?
Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of
trying to use it during my upgrade to sarge. It
Incoming from Daniel Burrows:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:20:36PM +, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
was heard to say:
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those packages
installed (I don't use a desktop environment) but apt is
On Sat, Jun 16, 2007 at 03:30:56PM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
Incoming from Daniel Burrows:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:20:36PM +, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED]
was heard to say:
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:39:46AM +1000, CaT wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:51:00PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
s. keeling wrote:
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui
...
The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
lprng
toncho/~ sudo
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as
required?
Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of
trying to use it during my upgrade to sarge. It completely refused to,
getting
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:50:58PM +1000, CaT wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as
required?
Or something similar. I gave up on aptitude within a few minutes of
trying to use it during
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty [EMAIL
PROTECTED] was heard to say:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:39:46AM +1000, CaT wrote:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:51:00PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
s. keeling wrote:
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 09:05:59AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 10:50:58PM +1000, CaT wrote:
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:17:45AM -0400, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
Could some of that problem be having aptitude treat recommends as
required?
Or something
On 06/15/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
Doesn't include the ML-whatever OkiData driver for my IBM Personal
Computer Graphics Printer (the one pictured with the 'New' IBM PC in
history books).
Where do you keep getting ribbons for it?
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Jefferson LA USA
Give a
So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may
not have to actually run it, but you have to have it installed.
That's ridiculous. This is viral software.
True. Unfortunately this virus has already spread widely.. At
least 144 packages which do not really need cups (because
Jan Willem Stumpel [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may
not have to actually run it, but you have to have it installed.
That's ridiculous. This is viral software.
True. Unfortunately this virus has already spread widely.. At
least 144
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling wrote:
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui
...
The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
lprng
toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree...
On 06/15/07 11:20, s. keeling wrote:
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling wrote:
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui
...
The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
lprng
toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui
Reading package lists... Done
s. keeling writes:
Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to
understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get doesn't
try to blow away lprng:
There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those packages
installed (I don't use a desktop
s. keeling writes:
There is no Gnome or KDE on this thing, yet xscreensaver works just as it
always has.
And why wouldn't it? It doesn't depend on any Gnome or KDE stuff.
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Ron Johnson writes:
foomatic-gui is a very high-level python GNOME app. You don't have any
GNOME libraries installed, so no wonder you've got to pulling in the
world.
It doesn't try to pull in all that stuff here.
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On 06/15/07 12:26, John Hasler wrote:
Ron Johnson writes:
foomatic-gui is a very high-level python GNOME app. You don't have any
GNOME libraries installed, so no wonder you've got to pulling in the
world.
It doesn't try to pull in all that stuff here.
Maybe apt hates Canadians.
--
Ron
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 06/15/07 11:20, s. keeling wrote:
Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to
understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get
foomatic-gui is a very high-level python GNOME app. You don't have
any GNOME
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling writes:
Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to
understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get doesn't
try to blow away lprng:
There is still something odd here. I don't have most of those
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling writes:
There is no Gnome or KDE on this thing, yet xscreensaver works just as it
always has.
And why wouldn't it? It doesn't depend on any Gnome or KDE stuff.
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't need them. I also see there's an
On 06/15/07 13:12, s. keeling wrote:
[snip]
He must be on the Communist Broadcorping Castration network. It and I
manage to avoid each other, mostly.
You can deny all you want, but I know that you watch it on your PVR.
How 'bout you? Cheering for
Paris
S. Keeling wrote:
Ugh. The list of stuff it wants to get rid of is just weird.
Audacity, Azureus, Bittornado-gui, Mplayer, Xcdroast,
Xscreensaver?!?
It is indeed incredible that some packages that do not even print
(you were wrong about audacity BTW, because it *can* print -- but
you could
s. keeling writes:
There is no Gnome or KDE on this thing, yet xscreensaver works just as it
always has.
I wrote:
And why wouldn't it? It doesn't depend on any Gnome or KDE stuff.
s. keeling writes:
That's what I'm saying. It doesn't need them. I also see there's an
xscreensaver-nognome
Jan Willem Stumpel writes:
I suspect some developers have been too generous in assigning
dependencies to some packages -- especially library packages.
It's upstream that decides to link to the libraries.
Anyway I think the dependencies ought to be looked at very critically,
and when possible
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 18:12:32 +, s. keeling wrote:
[...]
While we're at it, maybe we (well, I) need null-gnome, null-kde, ...
placeholder targets to fool them into thinking they're there when
they're not. If null-gnome is provided by fluxbox or xserver-xorg,
there'd be no need for a
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 11:26:07AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 06/15/07 08:05, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
Doesn't include the ML-whatever OkiData driver for my IBM Personal
Computer Graphics Printer (the one pictured with the 'New' IBM PC in
history books).
Where do you keep
On 06/15/07 18:49, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
[snip]
I have a laser and an inkjet printer but my wife has chemical
sensitivities and it takes a page 2 weeks to off-gas enough for her to
be able to read them; the dot-matrix is fine.
99% of non-junk snail mail is laser printed/photocopied.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 08:42:38PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 06/15/07 18:49, Douglas Allan Tutty wrote:
I have a laser and an inkjet printer but my wife has chemical
sensitivities and it takes a page 2 weeks to off-gas enough for her to
be able to read them; the dot-matrix is fine.
On Fri, Jun 15, 2007 at 06:20:36PM +, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
heard to say:
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling writes:
Well, I guess my system must be broken in some way, though I fail to
understand why it works so well if it's broken. At least apt-get doesn't
On 14 Jun 2007, CaT wrote:
[snip]
Then don't use it.
I gave up on CUPS a long time ago. I did have it working but the results
using plain lpr and magicfilter are better, at least for me, and a lot
easier to maintain, including remote printing.
Anthony
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S. Keeling wrote:
So, perhaps ca. two thousand, six hundred, and ninety five files
which have nothing to do with my printer? At least they're all
gzipped ...
Astonishing. I've never understood the reason for having CUPS at
all (being a happy lprng user) but I had no idea it was *this*
bad.
, lprng etc. provides
printing system .
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signature.asc
Description: Digital signature
CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:29:49AM +, s. keeling wrote:
Good for you, I'm glad for you; and irrelevant. Yes, CUPS works.
What if you don't want to use CUPS? Have you not seen all the posts
Then don't use it.
Sigh. My point is, that's far easier said than
Anthony Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 14 Jun 2007, CaT wrote:
Then don't use it.
I gave up on CUPS a long time ago. I did have it working but the results
Previous to this non-DE install, I did a full Etch install just to see
what it was like. I had CUPS working. It printed one
JWS [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
S. Keeling wrote:
So, perhaps ca. two thousand, six hundred, and ninety five files
which have nothing to do with my printer? At least they're all
Astonishing. I've never understood the reason for having CUPS at
I've never liked it from the first time I saw it.
I've got about 300 servers out there using lprng.
My 1st run-in with cups gave me some surprises.
1) Removing cups generally removes X, desktop, etc...
2) lpstat no longer works (at least in the same manner, depending on the
flavor of Linux)...
3) Manual intervention into cups setup tends to get
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 17:21:50 +, s. keeling wrote:
[...]
Damned near
everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and
foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just
complain to linuxprinting.org that they're flat out lying when they
say I can use pretty
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 17:21:50 +, s. keeling wrote:
Damned near
everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and
foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just
Is it really that bad as far as CUPS is concerned? I
Larry Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I've got about 300 servers out there using lprng.
My 1st run-in with cups gave me some surprises.
1) Removing cups generally removes X, desktop, etc...
That's one of the best reasons I can think of for not installing it in
the first place.
So! If you want
On 06/14/07 16:19, s. keeling wrote:
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 17:21:50 +, s. keeling wrote:
Damned near
everything drags in CUPS. I already had lprng installed, and
foomatic-* wanted to remove it and install CUPS. Should I just
Is it really that bad as
On 06/14/07 16:53, s. keeling wrote:
[snip]
So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may not have
to actually run it, but you have to have it installed. That's
ridiculous. This is viral software.
Start filing bugs against the deep-level dependers. apt-rdepends is
your
Florian Kulzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
OK, I see, libgtk2.0-0 might be difficult to avoid on a desktop system
and it depends on libcupsys2 in Lenny and Sid. However, the foomatic-*
packages do not seem to depend on any CUPS packages. foomatic-filters
and foomatic-filters-ppds both recommend
s. keeling writes:
So, in other words, Debian sans CUPS isn't possible. You may not have to
actually run it, but you have to have it installed.
I guess I'm not running Debian:
toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s remove cupsys-client
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Package
s. keeling wrote:
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui
...
The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
lprng
...
...
toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
The following extra packages
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 05:51:00PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
s. keeling wrote:
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui
...
The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
lprng
...
...
toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui
Thank you. At least
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 06/14/07 16:19, s. keeling wrote:
[copious output snipped]
I rest my case.
User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian)
No wonder it wanted to pull in 145 packages: you're a text mode
octogenarian! You're probably also running NetBSD on a VAX 11/785.
John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
s. keeling wrote:
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ aptitude -s install foomatic-gui
...
The following packages will be automatically REMOVED:
lprng
toncho/~ sudo apt-get -s install foomatic-gui
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree...
On 06/14/07 20:45, s. keeling wrote:
Ron Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 06/14/07 16:19, s. keeling wrote:
[copious output snipped]
I rest my case.
User-Agent: slrn/0.9.8.1pl1 (Debian)
No wonder it wanted to pull in 145 packages: you're a text mode
octogenarian! You're probably also
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 09:53:40PM +, s. keeling [EMAIL PROTECTED] was
heard to say:
Larry Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So! If you want lprng... - after a fresh install of linux:
1) Stop the cups processes:
for i in /etc/init.d/cups*; do; $i stop; done
2) Edit the init scripts for
This is on Etch with Desktop Environment de-selected on install (no
Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg
before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice there'd be
no web browser it could be configured with? Or can you confure CUPS
with w3m? :-P
It's
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:36:57PM +, s. keeling wrote:
This is on Etch with Desktop Environment de-selected on install (no
Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg
before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice there'd be
no web browser it could be
CaT [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 10:36:57PM +, s. keeling wrote:
This is on Etch with Desktop Environment de-selected on install (no
Gnome or KDE :-). Perhaps my mistake was in installing xserver-xorg
before printer configuration. Surely then, it would notice there'd be
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 01:29:49AM +, s. keeling wrote:
aptitude -R install foomatic-filters-ppds
And what does apt-get install foomatic-filters-ppds get you?
---
(0) heretic /home/keeling_ dpkg -L foomatic-filters-ppds | wc -l
2696
That doesn't
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