Hi, Celejar:
On Sunday 23 May 2010 21:42:44 Celejar wrote:
On Sat, 22 May 2010 03:03:42 +0200
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net wrote:
...
My simple rule about Debian has always been:
* Stable, if you just want to use Debian.
* Testing, if you want a peek over what Debian
On Sat, 22 May 2010 03:03:42 +0200
Jesús M. Navarro jesus.nava...@undominio.net wrote:
...
My simple rule about Debian has always been:
* Stable, if you just want to use Debian.
* Testing, if you want a peek over what Debian will be on next release and
want to help to hunt down the
Hi,
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 03:03:42AM +0200, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
Hi, Osamu:
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 03:45:36 Osamu Aoki wrote:
Hi,
There are 2 different topics.
* Which is better shape testing or unstable for security issues?
(original question)
The answer is it
On Sat,22.May.10, 03:03:42, Jesús M. Navarro wrote:
The answer is it depends.
As already stated, there are no security updates on Sid 'per se', but they
depend on upstream maintainers provinding a new version that hopefully will
resolve the problem *and* its ability to go into Sid.
Hi, Osamu:
On Wednesday 19 May 2010 03:45:36 Osamu Aoki wrote:
Hi,
There are 2 different topics.
* Which is better shape testing or unstable for security issues?
(original question)
The answer is it depends.
As already stated, there are no security updates on Sid 'per se', but they
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:00:41PM +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
How about this instead of the last paragraph:
---
Please note that the Security Team does not monitor unstable. It is up
to the individual maintainer to fix the issue.
YES
This may under circumstances take longer, e.g. if
On Tuesday 18 May 2010 20:45:36 Osamu Aoki wrote:
Hi,
There are 2 different topics.
* Which is better shape testing or unstable for security issues?
(original question)
My gut, based on both the discussions in the thread and sources on the
debian.org site, tells me that Sid is
On Wed,19.May.10, 23:28:01, Osamu Aoki wrote:
So I am updating as:
TIP: If `sid` is used in the above example instead of
`...@-@codename-sta...@-@`, the `deb: http://security.debian.org/ ...`
line for security updates in the `/etc/apt/sources.list` is not
required. This is because there
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT ALL. Testing get some.
If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 00:34 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT ALL. Testing get some.
If some issue is
John A. Sullivan III writes:
Hmm . . . to someone not more familiar with Debian practices, the new
version seems more confusing. I would read that and think that Sid is
very secure because it always has the latest security fixes. If
that's not what we mean, then perhaps the current version
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 01:59 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:11:20PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 00:34 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
2010/5/18 Osamu Aoki os...@debian.org:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT ALL. Testing get some.
If some issue is fixed for stable
Hi,
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:11:20PM -0400, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
On Wed, 2010-05-19 at 00:34 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
On Wed,19.May.10, 00:34:02, Osamu Aoki wrote:
New:
If sid is used in the above example instead of lenny, the deb:
http://security.debian.org/ … line for security updates in the
/etc/apt/sources.list is not required. This is because sid
(unstable) is always updated whenever security issues
On Tue, 2010-05-18 at 20:30 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Wed,19.May.10, 00:34:02, Osamu Aoki wrote:
New:
If sid is used in the above example instead of lenny, the deb:
http://security.debian.org/ … line for security updates in the
/etc/apt/sources.list is not required. This is
Osamu Aoki writes:
Sid is secure since security team usually upload fixed packages to
both stable/updates and unstable.
The security team does not support Sid. That's up to the individual
package maintainers.
Or simply uploading updated upstream fixes unstable...
That's what the package
On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Thank you. This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
multiple places, but it is plausible. Good to know.
Could you be more specific where you saw them or where you got this
On Tue,18.May.10, 13:49:11, John A. Sullivan III wrote:
May I suggest:
---
If sid is used in the above example instead of lenny, the deb:
http://security.debian.org/ … line for security updates in the
/etc/apt/sources.list is not required as there is no need to have a
separate
On 5/18/2010 2:21 PM, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Thank you. This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
multiple places, but it is plausible. Good to know.
Could you be more specific
Op 18-05-10 21:21, Mark Allums schreef:
On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 11:07:10AM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
Thank you. This is contrary to what the main Debian site says in
multiple places, but it is plausible. Good to know.
Could you be more specific
On Tue,18.May.10, 22:59:46, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
So yes, testing *does* receive security support
http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2008/12/msg00019.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing-security-announce/2010/01/msg0.html
Regards,
Andrei
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Andrei writes:
Please note that the Security Team does not monitor unstable. It is up
to the individual maintainer to fix the issue.
^
Please. It's a bug or a problem. Microsoft has issues.
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On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 12:58:24PM -0500, John Hasler wrote:
Osamu Aoki writes:
Sid is secure since security team usually upload fixed packages to
both stable/updates and unstable.
The security team does not support Sid. That's up to the individual
package maintainers.
True. But I see
Hi,
There are 2 different topics.
* Which is better shape testing or unstable for security issues?
(original question)
* What dees security team do and ensures?
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 02:21:20PM -0500, Mark Allums wrote:
On 5/18/2010 10:34 AM, Osamu Aoki wrote:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at
Osamu Aoki schreef:
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:23:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote:
Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up
a new documentation for this problem ;)
I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
Osamu Aoki schreef:
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:23:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote:
Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up
a new documentation for this problem ;)
I think it's best for me to run lenny with
Erwan David schreef:
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
Osamu Aoki schreef:
Why??? I think he made a correct judgement.
He said I can live with old apps.
He can always run sid in chroot or virtual machine. But the fact that
he is asking this question is the proof, he should get to lern Debian
system
On Mon,17.May.10, 15:59:07, Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get
immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they
wait before being committed from sid to testing.
This is being said more often, but simply not true:
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 03:49:26PM +0200, Erwan David wrote:
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
...
I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get
immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they
wait before being committed from sid to testing.
True.
(ANd if
On 5/17/2010 8:49 AM, Erwan David wrote:
Sjoerd Hardeman wrote:
I would say that the problem with testing is more that it does not get
immediately the security patrch that Sid and stable gets, since they
wait before being committed from sid to testing.
Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT
On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT ALL. Testing get some.
If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means that
unstable can be in better shape then
On 5/17/2010 10:43 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Mon,17.May.10, 10:29:57, Mark Allums wrote:
Backwards. Sid gets no security, AT ALL. Testing get some.
If some issue is fixed for stable the fix is also applied for unstable,
unless the maintainer is unresponsive or so. In practice this means
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 3:39 AM, Alan Ianson agian...@gmail.com wrote:
Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :)
I run unstable on everything, unless there is a reason not to (e.g my
mailserver, which runs zimbra has to run stable, and my firewall alternates
between testing
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:17 -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Alan Ianson wrote:
On Fri May 14 2010 11:22:54 pm Ron Johnson wrote:
Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :)
Indeed, and that needs to be stressed. Unstable it may be called
but I find it very stable, as long as
On Fri May 14 2010 09:48:47 pm RyanJB wrote:
Hi,
With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in
the cutting edge? I mean, how to keep debian as updated as, say, ubuntu
or even sidux?? You know, latest iceweasel, openoffice, gnome, etc. Maybe
using unstable or
On 05/15/2010 01:14 AM, Alan Ianson wrote:
On Fri May 14 2010 09:48:47 pm RyanJB wrote:
Hi,
With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in
the cutting edge? I mean, how to keep debian as updated as, say, ubuntu
or even sidux?? You know, latest iceweasel, openoffice,
If you want the latest I'd run either testing
or unstable. I have both stable
and unstable installed.
Most of the time I run unstable.
So considering that, the extra debian iso have practically no use since later
I'll be upgrading packets from sid anyway?? Any clarifications?
Thanks,
RJB
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On Fri May 14 2010 11:43:41 pm RyanJB wrote:
If you want the latest I'd run either testing
or unstable. I have both stable
and unstable installed.
Most of the time I run unstable.
So considering that, the extra debian iso have practically no use since
later I'll be upgrading packets from
Subject: Re: How to keep debian current??
On Fri May 14 2010 11:43:41 pm RyanJB wrote:
If you want the latest I'd run either testing
or unstable. I have both stable
and unstable installed.
Most of the time I run unstable.
So considering that, the extra debian iso have practically no use since
Since your Internet connection is spotty and you want to stay
relatively up-to-date and you're new, why not stay with Ubuntu (or
Sidux, for that matter)?
I used Mandrake for a year or so, then Libranet (spiritual
predecessor to Ubuntu) before making the Debian plunge. It greatly
helped to
RyanJB wrote:
I find a net install works best
nowadays. Then you just download and install packages as you want to.
The archive is simply huge now so it's a lot to download and burn unless you
have machines that are not connected to the net that you want to install or
update.
Yes, start
On Fri May 14 2010 11:22:54 pm Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/15/2010 01:14 AM, Alan Ianson wrote:
On Fri May 14 2010 09:48:47 pm RyanJB wrote:
Hi,
With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in
the cutting edge? I mean, how to keep debian as updated as, say,
Final thoughts,
After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install some
package from sid..
Thanks everyone for the help. Appreciated it a lot :)
RJB
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On Sat,15.May.10, 00:33:47, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Yes, start with a testing netinst
www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and install the base and then
add the sid repos and do an aptitude full-upgrade to the base, after
that you can start to build your testing/unstable system the way you
On 2010-05-15, RyanJB ryanjonath...@gmail.com wrote:
Final thoughts,
After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install some
package from sid..
Be careful. Packages from sid are not (intended to be) compatible with
lenny. Consider using backports
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 +, RyanJB wrote:
After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install
some package from sid..
That is probbaly the worst way to deal with your need for newer
software, as it is quite hard to keep a mixed stable/sid system that
could be
On Sat, 2010-05-15 at 13:55 +0200, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 +, RyanJB wrote:
After much considering, I think I'll stick to lenny but I will install
some package from sid..
That is probbaly the worst way to deal with your need for newer
software, as it is
with old apps.
Thanks again,
RJB
-Original Message-
From: Wolodja Wentland wentl...@cl.uni-heidelberg.de
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 13:55:55
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: How to keep debian current??
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:12 +, RyanJB wrote:
After much considering, I
On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote:
Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up
a new documentation for this problem ;)
I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is
actually only a stable home system. I do favor current apps
though; I often use betas
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 08:23:09AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/15/2010 08:16 AM, RyanJB wrote:
Thanks for the comprehensive reply, it's like you just whipped up
a new documentation for this problem ;)
I think it's best for me to run lenny with backport. My need is
actually only a stable
Alan Ianson wrote:
On Fri May 14 2010 11:22:54 pm Ron Johnson wrote:
On 05/15/2010 01:14 AM, Alan Ianson wrote:
On Fri May 14 2010 09:48:47 pm RyanJB wrote:
Hi,
With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in
the cutting edge? I mean, how to keep debian as updated
On 05/15/2010 12:48 AM, RyanJB wrote:
Hi,
With the latest apps keep pouring in, is there any way to keep debian in the
cutting edge? I mean, how to keep debian as updated as, say, ubuntu or even
sidux?? You know, latest iceweasel, openoffice, gnome, etc. Maybe using unstable or
experimental
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:17:36AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
+1 Sid/Unstable
Yep, even though it's called unstable it's like a rock.. :)
Indeed, and that needs to be stressed. Unstable it may be called
but I find it very stable, as long as you don't burn your bridges
behind you.
Yes
Andrei Popescu wrote:
On Sat,15.May.10, 00:33:47, Jimmy Johnson wrote:
Yes, start with a testing netinst
www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and install the base and then
add the sid repos and do an aptitude full-upgrade to the base, after
that you can start to build your testing/unstable
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