Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Thu 25 Jan 2024 at 12:24:21 (-0500), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > On Thursday 25 January 2024 09:03:36 am Anssi Saari wrote: > > On Tue 23 Jan 2024 at 06:32:54 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > > > On 1/23/24 06:12, Gremlin wrote: > > > > On 1/23/24 06:04, gene heskett wrote: > > > > > On 1/23/24

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

"Roy J. Tellason, Sr." writes: > On Thursday 25 January 2024 09:03:36 am Anssi Saari wrote: >> Western Digital at least claims to have solved the leaking >> problem with helium and since they've been making those drives for over >> a decade, I think it's solved. > > Your source for this? The

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Thursday 25 January 2024 09:03:36 am Anssi Saari wrote: > Western Digital at least claims to have solved the leaking > problem with helium and since they've been making those drives for over > a decade, I think it's solved. Your source for this? -- Member of the toughest, meanest, deadliest,

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

gene heskett writes: > I carefully note, the use of Helium and its problems is very carefully > ignored. I suppose helium is not required for SMR drives and could be used in CMR drives too... Western Digital at least claims to have solved the leaking problem with helium and since they've been

Re: Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]

Max Nikulin writes: > Purchasing a powered USB hub, I made a mistake. I have not checked > compatibility with hubctl in advance. > https://github.com/mvp/uhubctl/ Wow, that's very cool. I wonder if there's anything similar for USB switches? I have one that's software controllable but it's not

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 06:05:29AM -0500, gene heskett wrote: > On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote: > >>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: > > > > G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe? Very > > G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's. > > > >

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 22:48, Stefan Monnier wrote: some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T holding AFAIK 2T for $27 doesn't exist yet in the current real world. You can find a fair number of creatively sized

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/23/24 06:12, Gremlin wrote: On 1/23/24 06:04, gene heskett wrote: On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/23/24 06:04, gene heskett wrote: On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL Seagate Desktop 8TB external

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/23/24 02:31, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: How does an 8T backup server sound for another

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/23/24 00:30, Karl Vogel wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe? Very G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

>> On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: G> How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe? Very G> enticing and I do have the sheckel's. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07CQJBSQL Seagate Desktop 8TB external Hard Drive, 3.5 Inch, USB 3.0 STGY8000400 $168.18 What if you buy two, use

Powered USB hub [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]

On 23/01/2024 10:55, gene heskett wrote: hub: Purchasing a powered USB hub, I made a

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 21:59, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the sheckel's. What hardware? I

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

> some sort of 2T SSD's that comes as a usb-c drive, skipping the sata > convertor entirely at $27/copy. If it works as an 8T lvm with a 2T holding AFAIK 2T for $27 doesn't exist yet in the current real world. You can find a fair number of creatively sized USB disks in that price range, but they

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 18:44, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: How does an 8T backup server sound for another $200 in hdwe?  Very enticing and I do have the sheckel's. What hardware? I clicked on place order, for a 7 port powered usb3

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 18:46, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote: Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own. .. That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I just installed all

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 11:31, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote: Perhaps it is time to switch to another backup system, or build your own. .. That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I just installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5. Okay. How

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

> That I'm contemplating, using a pi clone but still running the amanda I just > installed all 3 debs of on a bananapi-m5. How does an 8T backup server > sound for another $200 in hdwe? Very enticing and I do have the sheckel's. I remember Amanda fondly from the days when I was backing up a

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 12:54, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 03:23, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote: It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html ... All this is possible

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 03:23, gene heskett wrote: On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote: It appears Amanda has a script API for both the client and the server: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/amanda-common/amanda-scripts.7.en.html ... All this is possible David, but needs someone to do it. So far

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/22/24 04:46, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 21:42, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 18:29, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote: 3. 

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 21:42, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 18:29, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote: 3.  For Amanda, either add more HDD's to the

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 18:29, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote: I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA errors. Please check if

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 14:48, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote: I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA errors. Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1). There

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 16:13, David Christensen wrote: On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote: I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA errors. Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1). There aren't any. Those hours would very

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote: I am still uncertain if those are internal SSD errors or SATA errors. Please check if you see matching errors in dmesg(1). There aren't any. Those hours would very closely correspond to my attempts to rsync and

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 04:35, Max Nikulin wrote: On 21/01/2024 03:23, gene heskett wrote: Right now nothing in the system is north of 32C, might get to 36C at the end of a 9 minute build of something in OpenSCAD. I would say that 53°C and even 44°C is well above 36°C you expected: On 21/01/2024 12:48,

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 01:33, David Christensen wrote: On 1/20/24 21:48, gene heskett wrote: New -x version for this SSD attached > SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1 > Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAGS    VALUE WORST THRESH FAIL

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 21/01/2024 03:23, gene heskett wrote: Right now nothing in the system is north of 32C, might get to 36C at the end of a 9 minute build of something in OpenSCAD. I would say that 53°C and even 44°C is well above 36°C you expected: On 21/01/2024 12:48, gene heskett wrote: SCT Status

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/20/24 21:48, gene heskett wrote: New -x version for this SSD attached > SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1 > Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: > ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAGSVALUE WORST THRESH FAIL RAW_VALUE > 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct PO--CK

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/21/24 00:30, Max Nikulin wrote: On 21/01/2024 03:23, gene heskett wrote: On 1/20/24 10:24, Max Nikulin wrote: On 19/01/2024 06:10, gene heskett wrote: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032   071  

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 21/01/2024 03:23, gene heskett wrote: On 1/20/24 10:24, Max Nikulin wrote: On 19/01/2024 06:10, gene heskett wrote: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 190 Airflow_Temperature_Cel 0x0032   071   049   000    Old_age Always   -   

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/20/24 10:24, Max Nikulin wrote: On 19/01/2024 06:10, gene heskett wrote: SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME  FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 179

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 19/01/2024 06:10, gene heskett wrote: SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 1 Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds: ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE 179 Used_Rsvd_Blk_Cnt_Tot 0x0013 085 085 010

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/19/24 21:34, gene heskett wrote: On 1/19/24 20:29, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-19 19:09 (UTC-0500): On 1/19/24 15:56, David Christensen wrote: https://www.cablematters.com/pc-187-156-3-pack-straight-60-gbps-sata-iii-cable.aspx Cheap enough at 18", ordered 4

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/19/24 20:29, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-19 19:09 (UTC-0500): On 1/19/24 15:56, David Christensen wrote: No sign of that snipped stuff. https://www.cablematters.com/pc-187-156-3-pack-straight-60-gbps-sata-iii-cable.aspx Cheap enough at 18", ordered 4 packs

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

gene heskett composed on 2024-01-19 19:09 (UTC-0500): > On 1/19/24 15:56, David Christensen wrote: > No sign of that snipped stuff. > >> https://www.cablematters.com/pc-187-156-3-pack-straight-60-gbps-sata-iii-cable.aspx > Cheap enough at 18", ordered 4 packs of 3 for service & build stock, >

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/19/24 15:56, David Christensen wrote: No sign of that snipped stuff. https://www.cablematters.com/pc-187-156-3-pack-straight-60-gbps-sata-iii-cable.aspx Cheap enough at 18", ordered 4 packs of 3 for service & build stock, thanks David. I call that the "wiggle" test. So do I but

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/18/24 23:23, gene heskett wrote: On 1/19/24 00:55, David Christensen wrote: I am unclear if those errors are inside the SSD or if they are the SATA communications link between the SSD and the motherbaord or HBA port and/or main memory (?).  Does dmesg(1) show anything? I'm not sure what

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/19/24 00:03, Anssi Saari wrote: My only mdraid was on raw partitions but that never had any issues. I think zfs effectively does the same, no partitions. You can do it either way on ZFS. David

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/19/24 04:50, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Anssi Saari It does seem strange to me, even in MS-DOS era I was able to set a terminal scrollback to 5000 lines without issue, when RAM was maybe 4 MB and a DOS terminal program probably had access to way less than that. I have no problems with

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/19/24 03:12, Anssi Saari wrote: gene heskett writes: The OOM death of the system was the xfce4 terminal apparently being set for unlimited scrollback and that was eating the memory. Switching to Konsole with has the ability to control the scrollback to 200 lines, and its taken all 32G's

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, Anssi Saari > It does seem strange to me, even in MS-DOS era I was able to set a > terminal scrollback to 5000 lines without issue, when RAM was maybe 4 MB > and a DOS terminal program probably had access to way less than that. I have no problems with 130 xterms of 10,000 lines each. > So

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

gene heskett writes: > The OOM death of the system was the xfce4 terminal apparently being > set for unlimited scrollback and that was eating the memory. Switching > to Konsole with has the ability to control the scrollback to 200 > lines, and its taken all 32G's as .cache and 1536 1k blocks of

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Franco Martelli writes: > I don't know if it is a good idea, in fact it exists a special > partition type for RAID array listed in fdisk, I used that for my > RAID: One case against using partitions on mdraid: if your array gets messed up, you get to recreate those partition tables yourself and

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/19/24 00:55, David Christensen wrote: On 1/18/24 15:10, gene heskett wrote: On 1/18/24 16:08, David Christensen wrote: On 1/18/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: I have issued a smartctl -tlong on all 4 drives, results in about 3 hours. A SMART long test should find and fix any read

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/18/24 15:10, gene heskett wrote: On 1/18/24 16:08, David Christensen wrote: On 1/18/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: I have issued a smartctl -tlong on all 4 drives, results in about 3 hours. A SMART long test should find and fix any read errors. Which has now been done on all 4 SSD. but

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Thu 18 Jan 2024 at 00:57:07 (-0800), David Christensen wrote: > On 1/17/24 22:44, gene heskett wrote: > > One thing that bothers me is there is no way the installers parted > > shows partition names for non-raid disks. To me that is a serious > > bug. It appears from the help that it can LABEL

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/18/24 16:08, David Christensen wrote: On 1/18/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/18/24 03:57, David Christensen wrote: The old /home RAID10 still has its metadata on disk.  I would install the "mdadm" package, edit /etc/fstab, copy and rework the old /home line (new mount point, add

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/18/24 03:47, gene heskett wrote: On 1/18/24 03:57, David Christensen wrote: The old /home RAID10 still has its metadata on disk.  I would install the "mdadm" package, edit /etc/fstab, copy and rework the old /home line (new mount point, add option "ro"), create the mount point, and

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 2024-01-17, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Curt wrote: >> I discovered a couple of discussions of the phenomenon, the upshot of which >> were: >> 1) That's what you get when you purchase cheap SSDs. >>

normally start new xterms [was: Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help]

On 18/01/2024 04:20, Thomas Schmitt wrote: I normally start new xterms by xterm -ls -geometry 80x24 -bg wheat -fg black -sl 1 +sb & Options may be put into ~/.Xresources xterm*vt100.saveLines: 1 xterm*VT100.background: wheat xterm*VT100.foreground: black ! etc Use xrdb to merge

Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

Hey Andy. Andy Smith wrote: > >On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 12:53:43AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> I'm clearly a member of a third group of people,,, :-) > >Oh, I didn't mean to imply that those going by taste were in a >minority! Taste, or possibly, "just never thought about it" could >well be

Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

Hello, On Thu, Jan 18, 2024 at 12:53:43AM +, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'm clearly a member of a third group of people,,, :-) Oh, I didn't mean to imply that those going by taste were in a minority! Taste, or possibly, "just never thought about it" could well be the biggest group. I was only

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/18/24 03:57, David Christensen wrote: On 1/17/24 22:44, gene heskett wrote:>> On 1/18/24 00:50, David Christensen wrote: The migration took two passes because udev can't make up its alleged mind so I was finally forced to use the rescue mode to edit fstab to mount it by UUID and that

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 22:44, gene heskett wrote:>> On 1/18/24 00:50, David Christensen wrote: The migration took two passes because udev can't make up its alleged mind so I was finally forced to use the rescue mode to edit fstab to mount it by UUID and that worked, I've got /home on the copy right now.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, gene heskett wrote: > > where did the extra 19.4G's come from? Can filesystem > > ext4's overhead account for that? In an earlier mail: > > > command line: rsync -a --bwlimit=10m --fsync --progress /home/ > > > /mnt/homevol David Christensen wrote: > Please RTFM rsync(1) to choose your

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Tue, 16 Jan 2024 21:10:28 -0500 gene heskett wrote: > gene@coyote:~/src/klipper-docs$ lsblk -d -o > NAME,MAJ:MIN,MODEL,SERIAL,WWN /dev/sd[hijkl] > NAME MAJ:MIN MODEL SERIAL WWN > sdh8:112 Gigastone SSD GSTD02TB230102 > sdi8:128 Gigastone SSD GST02TBG221146 > sdj

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/18/24 00:50, David Christensen wrote: On 1/17/24 20:20, gene heskett wrote: On 1/17/24 19:58, David Christensen wrote: On 1/17/24 15:58, gene heskett wrote: Now the question is how did it make this: homevol s/b very close to /home  in size but: root@coyote:~# df && free Filesystem 

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 20:20, gene heskett wrote: On 1/17/24 19:58, David Christensen wrote: On 1/17/24 15:58, gene heskett wrote: Now the question is how did it make this: homevol s/b very close to /home  in size but: root@coyote:~# df && free Filesystem  1K-blocks  Used  Available Use% Mounted

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 19:58, David Christensen wrote: On 1/17/24 15:58, gene heskett wrote: Now the question is how did it make this: homevol s/b very close to /home  in size but: root@coyote:~# df && free Filesystem  1K-blocks  Used  Available Use% Mounted on udev 16327704 0  

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Wed 17 Jan 2024 at 15:34:09 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/17/24 12:27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > David Christensen wrote: > > > I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the > > > kernel, > > > as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. > > > > That's not in

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 15:58, gene heskett wrote: Now the question is how did it make this: homevol s/b very close to /home  in size but: root@coyote:~# df && free Filesystem  1K-blocks  Used  Available Use% Mounted on udev 16327704 0   16327704   0% /dev tmpfs

Re: To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

Andy Smith wrote: > >The newer set of people recommending partitions are mostly doing so >because there's been a few incidents of "helpful" PC motherboards >detecting on boot what they think is a corrupt GPT, and replacing it >with a blank one, damaging the RAID. This is a real thing that has

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 16:45, David Christensen wrote: On 1/17/24 12:30, gene heskett wrote: By LABELing the partitions uniquely, that problem so far as I can see, is solved. Okay. So, are you confident that your motherboard ports, HBA ports, and SSD's are all working correctly now? The OOM death

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 12:30, gene heskett wrote: By LABELing the partitions uniquely, that problem so far as I can see, is solved. Okay. So, are you confident that your motherboard ports, HBA ports, and SSD's are all working correctly now? The OOM death of the system was the xfce4 terminal

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 16:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, i wrote: What did finally help ? Just the shorter terminal scroll back memory ? gene heskett wrote: That, and possibly the --bwlimit=10m, giving the SSD time to keep their stuff in one sock. Then i place my bet on the terminal alone. Linux is

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, i wrote: > > What did finally help ? Just the shorter terminal scroll back memory ? gene heskett wrote: > That, and possibly the --bwlimit=10m, giving the SSD time to keep their > stuff in one sock. Then i place my bet on the terminal alone. Linux is able to handle disk-to-disk copies that

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 09:31, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, David Christensen wrote: I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the kernel, as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. That's not in the kernel but in udev/systemd's process of creating the symbolic links in

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 15:13, gene heskett wrote: On 1/17/24 11:30, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, after i began enumerating suspects, gene heskett wrote: terminals scroll back memory, I purposely set this particular terminals scrollback to 200 lines with that in mind. How large was it set when your runs

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 12:27, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, David Christensen wrote: I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the kernel, as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. That's not in the kernel but in udev/systemd's process of creating the symbolic links in

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 12:16, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Curt wrote: I discovered a couple of discussions of the phenomenon, the upshot of which were: 1) That's what you get when you purchase cheap SSDs. https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/s0rrpo/two_sata_ssds_with_identical_serial_numbers/ 2) SSDs

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 11:38, Curt wrote: On 2024-01-17, Thomas Schmitt wrote: This is just weird. I still have difficulties to believe that any disk manufacturer would hand out disks with colliding serial numbers. I googled for this phenomenon, but except two mails of Gene nothing similar popped up. I

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 11:30, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, after i began enumerating suspects, gene heskett wrote: terminals scroll back memory, I purposely set this particular terminals scrollback to 200 lines with that in mind. How large was it set when your runs caused the OOM killer to act ? different

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, i see that i messed up "h" and "k" in my explanation of the fight over the link targets in /dev/disk/by-id. So another attempt: sdh has a unique serial number GSTD02TB230102. Thus we see in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/01/msg00667.html these two links: /dev/sdh

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, David Christensen wrote: > I suspect the conflicting serial numbers are causing problems in the kernel, > as indicated by the /dev/disk/by-id/* problems. That's not in the kernel but in udev/systemd's process of creating the symbolic links in /dev/disk/by-id/. It gets /dev/sd[h-l] and

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, Curt wrote: > I discovered a couple of discussions of the phenomenon, the upshot of which > were: > 1) That's what you get when you purchase cheap SSDs. > https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/s0rrpo/two_sata_ssds_with_identical_serial_numbers/ > 2) SSDs belonging to the same software

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 06:18, gene heskett wrote: On 1/17/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: I suggest removing one GST02TBG221146 and one GSTG02TB230206.  Put them on the shelf, in other computer(s), or sell them.  Then perhaps copying the /home RAID10 2 TB to one Gigastone 2 TB SSD would work. Or

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 23:46, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Gene Heskett wrote: One of these mails from a thread in december reveals that the three unique serial numbers GSTD02TB230102, GST02TBG221146, GSTG02TB230206 each come with a different version of "1C0", "7A0", "5A0", respectively.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 2024-01-17, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > This is just weird. > I still have difficulties to believe that any disk manufacturer would > hand out disks with colliding serial numbers. I googled for this > phenomenon, but except two mails of Gene nothing similar popped up. I discovered a couple of

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, after i began enumerating suspects, gene heskett wrote: > terminals scroll back memory, I purposely set this > particular terminals scrollback to 200 lines with that in mind. How large was it set when your runs caused the OOM killer to act ? I have a good number of xterms with 10,000 lines

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 02:42, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. Duh. Obviously this thread overstretches my mental capacity. And I've since tried cp in addition to rsync, does the same thing, killing the sysytem with the OOM but

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/17/24 00:52, David Christensen wrote: On 1/16/24 17:08, gene heskett wrote: > lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. by-id listing > only shows 3. The drive I've been trying to use bounces from /dev/sdd to > sde to sdh dependin on which controller it is curently

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hi, Gene Heskett wrote: > lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. Duh. Obviously this thread overstretches my mental capacity. > And I've since tried cp in addition to rsync, does the same thing, killing > the sysytem with the OOM but much quicker. cp using all system memory

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 17:08, gene heskett wrote: > lsblk, which I've published several times, shows 5 drives. by-id listing > only shows 3. The drive I've been trying to use bounces from /dev/sdd to > sde to sdh dependin on which controller it is curently plugged into. > > And I've since tried cp in

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

gene heskett composed on 2024-01-16 20:08 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> I straightened out the wrapping mess, and gave each entry a line number. I >> see >> nothing I recognize as representing serial number duplication among /dev/sdX >> (physical device) names: >> /dev/sda 9

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 11:08, Thomas Schmitt wrote: ls -l /dev/sd[ij]* oot@coyote:~# ls -l /dev/sd[ij]* brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 128 Jan 16 05:01 /dev/sdi brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 129 Jan 16 05:01 /dev/sdi1 brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 144 Jan 16 05:01 /dev/sdj brw-rw 1 root disk 8, 145 Jan 16 05:01

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 06:09, Felix Miata wrote: Tom Furie composed on 2024-01-16 08:18 (UTC): Felix Miata writes: /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? By having some kind of SD card slot or similar. So this

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 20:08:12 (-0500), gene heskett wrote: > On 1/16/24 00:56, Felix Miata wrote: > > gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): > > > > > Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped: > > > root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' >

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 01:18, Felix Miata wrote: Felix Miata composed on 2024-01-16 01:05 (UTC-0500): gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 01:05, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 18:37 (UTC-0500): Ah,but I finally glombed onto the bug tan memory bar in htop as it was runniing, someplace in the data chain is a huge memory leak, my crash is caused by the OOM daemon killing things. And it only occurs

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 00:56, Felix Miata wrote: gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56 (UTC-0500): Thanks for that composition: but it will be word wrapped: root@coyote:~# for j in /dev/disk/by-id/* ; do printf '%s\t%s\n' "$(realpath "$j")" "$j" ; done /dev/sr0

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 06:08:35 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > Tom Furie composed on 2024-01-16 08:18 (UTC): > > Felix Miata writes: > > >> /dev/sdc 18 /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Brother_MFC-J6920DW_BROG5F229909-0:0 # > >> How does a printer get a storage device assignment??? > > > By having some kind of

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 09:40:19 (-0500), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 09:31:54AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > David Wright composed on 2024-01-16 08:05 (UTC-0600): > > > On Tue 16 Jan 2024 at 00:55:52 (-0500), Felix Miata wrote: > > >> gene heskett composed on 2024-01-15 17:56

To partition or not to partition MD arrays (Was Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help)

Hello, On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 01:01:02PM -0800, David Christensen wrote: > On 1/16/24 11:51, Franco Martelli wrote: > > I thought it was mandatory for a RAID to partition drives with this > > partition type, am I wrong? In the ancient past it was required, because that was one of the ways that

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 1/16/24 11:51, Franco Martelli wrote: On 15/01/24 at 08:43, David Christensen wrote: When I built and ran a Debian 2 @ HDD RAID1 using mdadm(8), I did not partiton the HDD's -- I gave mdadm(8) the whole drives. I don't know if it is a good idea, in fact it exists a special partition type

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

On 15/01/24 at 08:43, David Christensen wrote: This I am still trying to do, the first pass copied all 350G of /home but went to the wrong drive, and I had mounted the drive by its label. It is now /dev/sdh and all labels above it are now wrong. Crazy. These SSD's all have an OTP serial number.

Re: smartctl cannot access my storage, need syntax help

Hello, On Tue, Jan 16, 2024 at 01:17:42AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > If rsync really is bugged, maybe a change of options would avoid the bug. Try > instead of -av, -rlptgoDAXUNH. Could it be that verbosity is the OOM > crippler, and > not necessarily from rsync itself, but possibly from the

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