Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-12 Thread Richard Hector
On 07/10/16 23:19, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > I don't know whether dirvish does something to improve matters, but with > hard link trees, if you have lots of little files (such as Maildir archives > of busy mailing lists like LKML), the amount of space consumed by the file > system metadata to

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-10 Thread Dave Thayer
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:55:44PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 09:32:02AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > > Am I being unreasonable? You are certainly more of an expert than I - I > > suppose you find that it is quality software, and better than > > rsnapshot, despite

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 09:32:02AM -0400, Celejar wrote: > Interesting, thanks. I've been using rsnapshot for years, and am > basically satisfied with it, although the performance when run on my > T61 laptop (backing up to a (slow) USB external disk) is indeed painful > (I do have largeish

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-10 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 10:48:57 +0100 Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:37:31AM +0200, mo wrote: > > Make a long story short: > > Have you guys a recommendation for me? > > Is there a specific application you use for your backups guys? > > rdiff-backup[1]. I

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-07 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Oct 05, 2016 at 03:06:58PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote: > Can you elaborate on the performance issues? I'm using dirvish for my > maildirs (dovecot imap server), without noticeable problems. I don't know whether dirvish does something to improve matters, but with hard link trees, if you

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-05 Thread Richard Hector
On 05/10/16 16:03, Daniel Bareiro wrote: > Hi, Richard. > > On 04/10/16 23:06, Richard Hector wrote: > >> My current challenge is to back up windows boxes - if I can get >> rsync to work (maybe DeltaCopy? Not sure if that will work how I >> want), I guess I'll be stuck doing a local rsync of a

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-04 Thread Daniel Bareiro
Hi, Richard. On 04/10/16 23:06, Richard Hector wrote: > My current challenge is to back up windows boxes - if I can get rsync to > work (maybe DeltaCopy? Not sure if that will work how I want), I guess > I'll be stuck doing a local rsync of a smbfs mount ... unless someone > has a better

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-04 Thread Richard Hector
On 04/10/16 01:45, Markus Grunwald wrote: > Hello Teemu, > >>> rsync, whilst an awesome piece of software, is not, on its own, a >>> backup system. >> >> Yes. With some scripting I think "rsync" with "--link-dest" is quite >> ideal for incremental backups. Unchanged files are created as hard >>

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-04 Thread Jarle Aase
I have moved from simple scripts to simple scripts with zbackup in them :) Then I rsync the zbackup directories from different machines to my central backup disks (and distribute from there to cloud storage and off-site disks). zbackup supports deduplication and encryption, and is really a

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Oct 03, 2016 at 02:59:19PM +0300, Teemu Likonen wrote: > Yes. With some scripting I think "rsync" with "--link-dest" is quite > ideal for incremental backups. Unchanged files are created as hard links > for the previous backup files. Every backup generation is just a normal > and complete

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-03 Thread Markus Grunwald
Hello Teemu, > > rsync, whilst an awesome piece of software, is not, on its own, a > > backup system. > > Yes. With some scripting I think "rsync" with "--link-dest" is quite > ideal for incremental backups. Unchanged files are created as hard links > for the previous backup files. Every backup

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-03 Thread Teemu Likonen
Jonathan Dowland [2016-10-03 10:48:57+01] wrote: > rsync, whilst an awesome piece of software, is not, on its own, a > backup system. Yes. With some scripting I think "rsync" with "--link-dest" is quite ideal for incremental backups. Unchanged files are created as hard links for the previous

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-03 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:37:31AM +0200, mo wrote: > Make a long story short: > Have you guys a recommendation for me? > Is there a specific application you use for your backups guys? rdiff-backup[1]. I don't know what your NAS is, whether it's an off-the-shelf thing or a DIY system, but I tend

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-02 Thread Bob Weber
On 10/02/2016 08:50 AM, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: >> Am 01.10.2016 um 23:06 schrieb Bob Weber: >>> Like I said backuppc uses incremental and full backups. The web >>> interface lets you browse any backup (inc or full) and you see all the >>> files backed up. I set the incremental for each day up

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-02 Thread rhkramer
> Am 01.10.2016 um 23:06 schrieb Bob Weber: > > Like I said backuppc uses incremental and full backups. The web > > interface lets you browse any backup (inc or full) and you see all the > > files backed up. I set the incremental for each day up to a week. So I > > have up to 7 of them. The

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-02 Thread mo
Am 02.10.2016 um 12:55 schrieb Dan Purgert: mo wrote: Am 02.10.2016 um 02:47 schrieb Dan Purgert: mo wrote: Maybe this is a little OT, but what kind of backup strategy would you guys recommend? (Any advice Gene? :) ) If it *must* survive, 3-2-1 is the way to go. 3 copies (Original,

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-02 Thread Dan Purgert
mo wrote: > Am 02.10.2016 um 02:47 schrieb Dan Purgert: >> mo wrote: >>> Maybe this is a little OT, but what kind of backup strategy would you >>> guys recommend? (Any advice Gene? :) ) >> >> If it *must* survive, 3-2-1 is the way to go. >> >> 3 copies (Original, Backup, and Backup of the Backup)

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-02 Thread mo
Am 02.10.2016 um 02:47 schrieb Dan Purgert: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mo wrote: Maybe this is a little OT, but what kind of backup strategy would you guys recommend? (Any advice Gene? :) ) If it *must* survive, 3-2-1 is the way to go. 3 copies (Original, Backup, and

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-02 Thread mo
Am 01.10.2016 um 23:06 schrieb Bob Weber: Like I said backuppc uses incremental and full backups. The web interface lets you browse any backup (inc or full) and you see all the files backed up. I set the incremental for each day up to a week. So I have up to 7 of them. The full can kept

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 01 October 2016 13:54:29 Clive Menzies wrote: > On 01/10/16 18:40, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 01 October 2016 12:39:58 Clive Menzies wrote: > >> Quick question. Are your backups incremental or complete every > >> night? > > > > This is probably better explained in the

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Dan Purgert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mo wrote: > Maybe this is a little OT, but what kind of backup strategy would you > guys recommend? (Any advice Gene? :) ) If it *must* survive, 3-2-1 is the way to go. 3 copies (Original, Backup, and Backup of the Backup) 2 different media types

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Bob Weber
Like I said backuppc uses incremental and full backups. The web interface lets you browse any backup (inc or full) and you see all the files backed up. I set the incremental for each day up to a week. So I have up to 7 of them. The full can kept for for however long you want. I currently keep

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Am 01.10.2016 um 21:37 schrieb Glenn English: On Oct 1, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 01 October 2016 08:40:35 Mark Fletcher wrote: I know Gene is a fan of Amanda, I have it on my list to try it out myself based on positive remarks he has made

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Maybe this is a little OT, but what kind of backup strategy would you guys recommend? (Any advice Gene? :) )

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Am 01.10.2016 um 14:20 schrieb Dan Purgert: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mo wrote: As the title say i'm in search for a backup application/system. Currently i manage my backups with a little script that i wrote... but it does not really serve my needs anymore. I want to be

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Am 01.10.2016 um 18:22 schrieb Gene Heskett: On Saturday 01 October 2016 08:40:35 Mark Fletcher wrote: On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:37:31AM +0200, mo wrote: Hi Debian users :) Information: Distributor ID: Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) Release:8.6 Codename:

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Glenn English
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 11:54 AM, Clive Menzies wrote: > > We don't install GUIs on our servers; can this be managed from individual > workstations? I'm not sure, but I think Amanda was written before GUIs existed :-) -- Glenn English

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Glenn English
> On Oct 1, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Saturday 01 October 2016 08:40:35 Mark Fletcher wrote: > >> I know Gene is a fan of Amanda, I have it on my list to try it out >> myself based on positive remarks he has made about it in the past. Yeah. Amanda's a

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Clive Menzies
On 01/10/16 18:40, Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 01 October 2016 12:39:58 Clive Menzies wrote: Quick question. Are your backups incremental or complete every night? This is probably better explained in the manpages. Amanda has the concept of doing a full backup of everything in its disklist

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 01 October 2016 12:39:58 Clive Menzies wrote: > On 01/10/16 17:22, Gene Heskett wrote > > > Yeppers! It runs in the wee hours of the night here, for an hour or > > so. Currently backing up this machine, and 3 more on my little home > > network here, using its own unique, distribute

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Dan Purgert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 mo wrote: > As the title say i'm in search for a backup application/system. > Currently i manage my backups with a little script that i wrote... but > it does not really serve my needs anymore. > I want to be able to make backups on my main PC and

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Clive Menzies
On 01/10/16 17:22, Gene Heskett wrote Yeppers! It runs in the wee hours of the night here, for an hour or so. Currently backing up this machine, and 3 more on my little home network here, using its own unique, distribute the nightly load to equalize as much a it can given its list of what to

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Gene Heskett
On Saturday 01 October 2016 08:40:35 Mark Fletcher wrote: > On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:37:31AM +0200, mo wrote: > > Hi Debian users :) > > > > Information: > > Distributor ID: Debian > > Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) > > Release:8.6 > > Codename: jessie > > > > As

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 10:46:07AM -0400, Bob Weber wrote: > I use backuppc. It is web browser based setup and usage. It takes > incremental > and full backups that can remain as long as you want or have space for. It > can > browse files by name or in a version mode where you can see the

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Has someone experience with Bacula? I heard good things about it, although i never looked into it... maybe someone has and can give me his report on it :)

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Am 01.10.2016 um 16:46 schrieb Bob Weber: I use backuppc. It is web browser based setup and usage. It takes incremental and full backups that can remain as long as you want or have space for. It can browse files by name or in a version mode where you can see the date where a file changed

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Bob Weber
I use backuppc. It is web browser based setup and usage. It takes incremental and full backups that can remain as long as you want or have space for. It can browse files by name or in a version mode where you can see the date where a file changed and restore an earlier version if you want (or

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Am 01.10.2016 um 14:40 schrieb Mark Fletcher: On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:37:31AM +0200, mo wrote: Hi Debian users :) Information: Distributor ID: Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) Release:8.6 Codename: jessie As the title say i'm in search for a backup

Re: Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread Mark Fletcher
On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:37:31AM +0200, mo wrote: > Hi Debian users :) > > Information: > Distributor ID: Debian > Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) > Release: 8.6 > Codename: jessie > > As the title say i'm in search for a backup application/system. > Currently i

Recommendation: Backup system

2016-10-01 Thread mo
Hi Debian users :) Information: Distributor ID: Debian Description:Debian GNU/Linux 8.6 (jessie) Release:8.6 Codename: jessie As the title say i'm in search for a backup application/system. Currently i manage my backups with a little script that i wrote... but it does not