Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

piorunz wrote: ... > New install would change network interface name anyway. net.ifnames=0 works for me in that regards. songbird

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 2021-08-18, mick crane wrote: >> >> Not sure I see how that analogy applies. >> >> If the 'water' is the knowledge of upgrading Debian releases as present >> in the official release notes, then the chemical analysis is the advice >> on upgrading from this list? In that case, it seems the

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

On 20/08/2021 12:40, Greg Wooledge wrote: This line of thought probably comes from Windows, when any hardware change causes problems, drivers installation, it can refuse to boot, etc. Not a problem on Debian :) It can be. Any change to the hardware, or even the mobo firmware, can cause PCI

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:55:32AM +0100, piorunz wrote: > On 19/08/2021 13:21, songbird wrote: > > when i changed motherboards i figured it was worth a fresh > > install > > This line of thought probably comes from Windows, when any hardware > change causes problems, drivers installation, it can

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

On 19/08/2021 13:21, songbird wrote: when i changed motherboards i figured it was worth a fresh install This line of thought probably comes from Windows, when any hardware change causes problems, drivers installation, it can refuse to boot, etc. Not a problem on Debian :) Motherboard or even

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

songbird writes: > Anssi Saari wrote: > ... >> And yes, the working upgrades are the reason I've stuck with Debian >> since Hamm. My ever evolving desktop computer is on its second >> installation now since I reinstalled when I switched to 64-bits >> somewhere in the decade before last. >

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 2021-08-18, Tixy wrote: >> >> With a normal system, a shortened version of the upgrade procedure >> without the warnings and pre-checks and post-checks might be OK, >> but this is *Gene*. We know he does not have normal systems. >> >> He needs *all* of the warnings. >> > > I agree with all

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: ... > Aside: I have never (to the best of my recollection) done an upgrade from one > version to the next, I install the new version on a clean disk (or new > system) > -- the only time I could envision doing an upgrade would be if stable became > a > rolling

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

Anssi Saari wrote: ... > And yes, the working upgrades are the reason I've stuck with Debian > since Hamm. My ever evolving desktop computer is on its second > installation now since I reinstalled when I switched to 64-bits > somewhere in the decade before last. when i changed motherboards i

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 2021-08-17 7:21 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 22:48:34 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: >>> On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? >>>

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

Hi On 2021-08-17 6:05 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > What, in this helpful thread, do you find difficult to understand? > > You have a collection of important machines in your

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 11:26:18AM -0500, David Wright wrote: > On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 07:39:26 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > > On 2021-08-17 at 13:36, Brian wrote: > > > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:00:57 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > >> Do the update to Buster - take it as slow as you

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Wednesday 18 August 2021 08:05:43 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 09:12:24AM +0100, Tixy wrote: > > On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 09:03 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 07:39:26 (-0400), The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-08-17 at 13:36, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:00:57 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > >> Do the update to Buster - take it as slow as you need to. Bring it > >> bang up to date. > >> > >> For the Buster to

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

rhkra...@gmail.com writes: > But, if I did do an upgrade from one version to the next, it would not > surprise me if I forgot to read the upgrade notes. For me, the instructions for upgrading in the release notes are the only way I know how to find out how to upgrade Debian from one release to

Re: Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 07:39:26 AM The Wanderer wrote: > On 2021-08-17 at 13:36, Brian wrote: > > Of course! Do users not do this as a standard procedure? :) > > I don't - because I don't upgrade from one stable release to another; I > track testing, continuously, throughout the

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 09:12:24AM +0100, Tixy wrote: > On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 09:03 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34

Reading of release notes (was Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye)

On 2021-08-17 at 13:36, Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:00:57 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: >> Do the update to Buster - take it as slow as you need to. Bring it >> bang up to date. >> >> For the Buster to Bullseye - >> >> READ RELEASE NOTES :) > > Of course! Do users not do this as

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 2021-08-17 at 15:11, David Wright wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 10:07:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Tuesday 17 August 2021 09:08:43 Greg Wooledge wrote: > >>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:01:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >>> You literally have the word "oldstable" in your

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 18/08/2021 07:57, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 01:53:16AM +0100, piorunz wrote: Why are you repeating this? Because Andrew is a nice person. Which I do appreciate highly. Why shouldn't he? Why would you not want him to do? Please see my other reply: "> Amazing

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 2021-08-18 09:32, Tixy wrote: On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 09:06 +0100, mick crane wrote: On 2021-08-18 08:40, Tixy wrote: > I agree with all of the above, but as the saying goes: 'you can lead a > horse to water, but you can't make him drink'. You can't blame a horse for wanting to see the

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 18/08/2021 08:40, Tixy wrote: I agree with all of the above, but as the saying goes: 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink'. Amazing analogy. Gene has been given plenty of water, but he keeps coming back for more while not taking even one sip yet. He failed to RTFM

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > > > What, in this helpful thread, do you find

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 09:06 +0100, mick crane wrote: > On 2021-08-18 08:40, Tixy wrote: > > > I agree with all of the above, but as the saying goes: 'you can lead a > > horse to water, but you can't make him drink'. > You can't blame a horse for wanting to see the chemical analysis of the >

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Wed, 2021-08-18 at 09:03 +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > > [an abridged version of the

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 2021-08-18 08:40, Tixy wrote: I agree with all of the above, but as the saying goes: 'you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink'. You can't blame a horse for wanting to see the chemical analysis of the water and checking the vicinity for corpses. mick -- Key ID

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, 2021-08-17 at 22:01 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > [an abridged version of the release notes] > > > Thank you Andy, thats more of the recipe I need to follow.

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 10:01:32PM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > > [an abridged version of the release notes] > > > Thank you Andy, thats more of the recipe I need to

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 01:53:16AM +0100, piorunz wrote: > On 17/08/2021 23:48, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > >Gene, > > > >You have two upgrades to do. > > > >One from stretch -> buster. 9-10 That takes you from 2017 -> 2019. > > > >If you can reduce your /etc/apt/sources.list by commenting out

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 01:53:16 (+0100), piorunz wrote: > On 17/08/2021 23:48, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > Gene, > > > > You have two upgrades to do. > > > > One from stretch -> buster. 9-10 That takes you from 2017 -> 2019. > > > > If you can reduce your /etc/apt/sources.list by commenting out

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:48:10PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > [an abridged version of the release notes] > Thank you Andy, thats more of the recipe I need to follow. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett See, *this* is exactly what I tried to

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

Dan Ritter wrote: ... > Tell us more about what you're doing, but also remember that you > can't skip stable versions in an upgrade - you need to upgrade > from stretch to buster, then to bullseye. yes. plus it is good to get rid of cruft if you don't need it so i would back up the

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 18:48:34 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > > > What, in this helpful thread, do you find

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17 2021 at 08:01:46 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 16:57:44 Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 04:54:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? >> >> It's still at >>

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 17:45:49 piorunz wrote: > On 17/08/2021 21:57, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 04:54:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > >> Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > > > It's still at > >

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 17/08/2021 23:48, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: Gene, You have two upgrades to do. One from stretch -> buster. 9-10 That takes you from 2017 -> 2019. If you can reduce your /etc/apt/sources.list by commenting out third party repositories like Trinity, that will help. Why are you repeating

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 16:57:44 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 04:54:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > It's still at > . Thats fine but its html in little

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 22:48:34 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > > > What, in this helpful thread, do you

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 11:05:44PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? > > What, in this helpful thread, do you find difficult to understand? > > You have a collection of important machines

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:54:54 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? What, in this helpful thread, do you find difficult to understand? You have a collection of important machines in your charge. The complexity of managing them does not appear to

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 17/08/2021 21:57, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 04:54:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? It's still at . Or to by more precise, that's what most important to

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 04:54:54PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Where do I find the recipe to update stretch to buster? It's still at .

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 12:00:57 Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 07:24:45AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung > > SSD's. > > > > The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 10:07:18 (-0400), Gene Heskett wrote: > [Subject: Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye] You have a habit of running systems about one release behind the current stable, so can you just check that you really mean to upgrade your machine to bullseye

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 8/17/21 4:24 AM, Gene Heskett wrote: Greetings all; I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung SSD's. The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. They show up as /dev/sde/f/g/h but have not

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 13:42:25 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 06:36:15PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > Comment out *everything* in sources.list and then edit to have only > > > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > > > > Update and upgrade. > >

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 06:36:15PM +0100, Brian wrote: > Comment out *everything* in sources.list and then edit to have only > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free > > Update and upgrade. ... and then make all the changes necessary for stretch. > Chande stretch

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 16:00:57 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: [...] > I think the others have mostly covered this but: But it bears repeating for the OP and others. Comment out *everything* in sources.list and then edit to have only deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 07:24:45AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung SSD's. > > The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are > bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. > > They

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 09:08:43 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:01:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to > > buster, > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ > > > root@coyote:~$ apt update > >

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 09:01:32 Gene Heskett wrote: My mis-steak, its Tuesday not Monday. > On Tuesday 17 August 2021 08:05:27 Dan Ritter wrote: > > Gene Heskett wrote: > > > Greetings all; > > > > > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung > > > SSD's. > > > > > > The

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On 2021-08-17 9:08 a.m., Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:01:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: >> Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to buster, > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ > >> root@coyote:~$ apt update >> Hit:1

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:08:43AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:01:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to buster, > > https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ Whoops. Google gave me the

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 09:01:32AM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: > Tell me where to read about an insitu upgrade from stretch to buster, https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ > root@coyote:~$ apt update > Hit:1 http://security.debian.org stretch/updates InRelease > Hit:2

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

On Tuesday 17 August 2021 08:05:27 Dan Ritter wrote: > Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung > > SSD's. > > > > The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are > > bonded out, and collectively show up at

Re: Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung SSD's. > > The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are > bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. > > They show up as /dev/sde/f/g/h but have not

Still on stretch, getting ready for bullseye

Greetings all; I just installed another sata controller and 4 1 T-byte Samsung SSD's. The controller claims to be a 15 port port expander, but only 6 are bonded out, and collectively show up at ata7 in dmesg. They show up as /dev/sde/f/g/h but have not otherwise been touched. So I thought I'd