Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-25 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > >> > >>At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw. > > > >You are assuming all end-users are equal. > > No. I was contrasting t

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-23 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: > Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-) I wrote: > "Oh I was born about ten thousand years ago..." Chris writes: > Did you write the very first song? "...I taught Ada how to hack though she thought her pop a whack and I'll whup the man who says it isn't so." -- John Hasl

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-23 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mar 22 janvier 2013 18:01, Richard Owlett a écrit : > Erwan David wrote: > >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:38:03PM CET, Richard Owlett >> said: >> >>> >>> At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw. >>> It presumes that all software is always available in a repository (be >>> it FOSS

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-23 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Mar 22 janvier 2013 22:47, John Hasler a écrit : > Richard Owlett writes: > >> I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic drums. >> > > So have I. > > >> We oldsters are made of tough stuff >> > > True. > > >> P.S. I've just installed it ;) >> > > Well, there are people who claim t

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-23 Thread Joe
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:18:35 -0700 Dave Thayer wrote: > > You might want to have a look at the Dabo framework > . Written in python by some ex-foxpro devs with > data-oriented RAD in mind. > Thanks, this does look interesting, and shows how many holes there might be in Goo

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-23 Thread Helmut Wollmersdorfer
Am 22.01.2013 um 13:38 schrieb Richard Owlett: At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw. It presumes that all software is always available in a repository (be it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever distinction). Yesterday I found a program (in beta) whose functional

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Dave Thayer
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04:15PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote: > > > > [...] > > > and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to > > > Access. > > > > Which is good to know.

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 05:52:26PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: > Lisi writes: > > Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-) > > "Oh I was born about ten thousand years ago..." Did you write the very first song? -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who ar

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread John Hasler
Lisi writes: > Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-) "Oh I was born about ten thousand years ago..." -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.de

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 22 January 2013 18:59:28 Richard Owlett wrote: > As you approach 3 score and ten ... And this is relevant because. Seriously Richard, we know your age by now. :-) Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Co

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread John Hasler
Richard Owlett writes: > I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic drums. So have I. > We oldsters are made of tough stuff True. > P.S. I've just installed it ;) Well, there are people who claim to actually like it. Don't say you weren't warned, though. -- John Hasler -- To

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:35:52 +0100, Richard Owlett wrote: John Hasler wrote: Brian writes: If you want a flavour of the times, install and use dselect. Please don't do that to the poor guy. I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic drums. We oldsters are made of tough st

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
John Hasler wrote: Brian writes: If you want a flavour of the times, install and use dselect. Please don't do that to the poor guy. I've used 026's, paper tape, acoustic couplers, magnetic drums. We oldsters are made of tough stuff. P.S. I've just installed it ;) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, ema

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread John Hasler
Brian writes: > If you want a flavour of the times, install and use dselect. Please don't do that to the poor guy. -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://list

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: PPS: Once you are aware that there is a command, in this case "dpkg", you can get information by reading the manual pages. $ man foo, e.g. $ man dpkg. If man pages aren't installed, they are available by the Internet. http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/ I have http://manpag

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Brian
On Tue 22 Jan 2013 at 11:28:58 -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > >On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > >Correct, how do you expect Debian to know about software that isn't in a > >repository? > > I don't. There is no reason for them to do so.

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
Lisi Reisz wrote: On Tuesday 22 January 2013 17:28:58 Richard Owlett wrote: Nothing except that until about 4.5 hours ago I was not aware of either it or gdebi ;/ That is hardly Debian's fault. Lisi It's just another proof that useful information passes thru a finite bandwidth channel ;/

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: Chris Bannister wrote: Right, and you authenticated it how? Essentially in the same manner as you do any time you walk into a Mom & Pop restaurant in a strange city. You observe it and make a judgement cal

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 11:28:58AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > Chris Bannister wrote: > > > >Right, and you authenticated it how? > > Essentially in the same manner as you do any time you walk into a > Mom & Pop restaurant in a strange city. You observe it and make a > judgement call. And if y

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Tuesday 22 January 2013 17:28:58 Richard Owlett wrote: > Nothing except that until about 4.5 hours ago I was not > aware of either it or gdebi ;/ That is hardly Debian's fault. Lisi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? C

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
PPS: Once you are aware that there is a command, in this case "dpkg", you can get information by reading the manual pages. $ man foo, e.g. $ man dpkg. If man pages aren't installed, they are available by the Internet. http://linuxreviews.org/man/dpkg/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-use

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:12:17 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Would that --force-depends had effect all the way down a chain of dependencies just looking for the latest revision of each? PS. Oops, my English is terribly broken. Yes, you get issues if you keep the package. No, it's not going to c

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:01:34 +0100, Richard Owlett wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:01:43 +0100, Richard Owlett wrote: Couldn't use the new package as there was an unfulfilled dependency. [sarcasm] # dpkg -i --force-depends fishy.deb [/sarcasm] I don't mind [sarcasm]

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:01:43 +0100, Richard Owlett wrote: Couldn't use the new package as there was an unfulfilled dependency. [sarcasm] # dpkg -i --force-depends fishy.deb [/sarcasm] I don't mind [sarcasm] at all. Especially when it educates and possibly solves a prob

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:28:58 +0100, Richard Owlett wrote: Essentially in the same manner as you do any time you walk into a Mom & Pop restaurant in a strange city. You observe it and make a judgement call. That's not an authentication, perhaps comparable to a sandbox http://en.wikipedia.

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw. You are assuming all end-users are equal. No. I was contrasting the generic end user such as myself to the Debian developers. The groups differ ne

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:01:43 +0100, Richard Owlett wrote: Couldn't use the new package as there was an unfulfilled dependency. [sarcasm] # dpkg -i --force-depends fishy.deb [/sarcasm] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:38:03PM CET, Richard Owlett said: At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw. It presumes that all software is always available in a repository (be it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever distinction). Yesterday I found a pro

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 06:38:03AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote: > > At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw. You are assuming all end-users are equal. > It presumes that all software is always available in a repository > (be it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever disti

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:38:03 +0100, Richard Owlett wrote: Ralf Mardorf wrote: [SNIP] To install Firefox and other software a Windows 8 user only needs to launch the Windows browser, google for Firefox and then to click a button to install it. You might say on Linux, e.g. on Debian the user

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Erwan David
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 01:38:03PM CET, Richard Owlett said: > > At the end-user level I think Debian has a logical flaw. > It presumes that all software is always available in a repository (be > it FOSS/proprietary, trusted/untrusted, whatever distinction). > Yesterday I found a program (in bet

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Richard Owlett
Ralf Mardorf wrote: [SNIP] To install Firefox and other software a Windows 8 user only needs to launch the Windows browser, google for Firefox and then to click a button to install it. You might say on Linux, e.g. on Debian the user only needs to launch Synaptic, to search for Firefox and to cl

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Joe
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 23:33:50 +1300 Chris Bannister wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04:15PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > and there's still nothing Open S

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:04:15PM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote: > > > > [...] > > > and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to > > > Access. > > > > Which is good to know.

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 19:15:05, Dennis Clarke wrote: > > > > I'd say it's quite well documented, see 'man hier'. > > well, yes, it is in a man page but not really a ratified standard or anything > of > that sort. One can create a man page for anything but, I see your point. I'm not so sure you do

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-22 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Ma, 22 ian 13, 15:50:19, Chris Bannister wrote: > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote: > > [...] > > and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to > > Access. > > Which is good to know. Assuming one has the time and knowledge it is possible to use Access for some

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Chris Bannister
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 09:29:46PM +, Joe wrote: [...] > and there's still nothing Open Source that comes close to > Access. Which is good to know. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the op

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 20:22 -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote: > very cool. I'm guessing burmester amps, AKG headphones and turtlebeach > hardware or similar ? Pioneer consumer HiFi amp, AKG professional but 30 years old studio headphones, 1 x RME HDSPe AIO professional sound card + an elCheapo ADAT dev

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > The real bonkers bit for me is that wpa_supplicant throws an error > > message > > at boot, every time, yet I still get dhcp working and here I am .. > > with wlan0 > > working just fine. No clue what black magic voodoo goes on there. > > Linux is connected by PPPoE, ad hoc using a WiFi US

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
> Hi :) > > I've got much more than four installs on my machine. One FreeBSD and > tons of Linux installs. The reason for having tons of Linux installs is, > that I don't have the perfect hardware, but I use Linux as an audio > production environment. very cool. I'm guessing burmester amps, AKG

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 19:45 -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote: > > Wireless can be entertaining, though a lot less so than it used to > > be. Even the Network Manager seems to more or less work these days. > > The real bonkers bit for me is that wpa_supplicant throws an error > message > at boot, every

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
> > I should note that when I tried to use a sun disk lable or a BSD disk > > label to get 8 partitions ( which is wrong, sun has 16 partitions but > > Debian or fdisk/parted can't do it .. weird ) I ended up with a > > unbootable system everytime. Set a partition bootable got me no > > where. >

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 23:32 +, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Disclaimer: I have never even seen Windows 8, and long may it be so! Hi all :) hi Lina :) A friend needed help to set up his Windows 8. The Windows was already installed to the computer, the user don't need to install it. A user could also

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
- Original Message - From: Andrei POPESCU Date: Monday, January 21, 2013 5:07 pm Subject: Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX? To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > On Lu, 21 ian 13, 14:24:10, Dennis Clarke wrote: > > I think, and this is a WAG

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Lisi Reisz
On Monday 21 January 2013 21:29:46 Joe wrote: > OK, I've had plenty of Linux installation problems, And I plenty of Windows ones. I rarely have to install Windows, and every time I have to, I breathe a sigh of relief that this is so. Problems with drivers? Linux?? Linux is sometimes tricky, W

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
Hi :) I've got much more than four installs on my machine. One FreeBSD and tons of Linux installs. The reason for having tons of Linux installs is, that I don't have the perfect hardware, but I use Linux as an audio production environment. It's useless for me to set up a virtual machine to test d

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Joe
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:24:10 -0500 Dennis Clarke wrote: > > [snip] > > > > > For a normal usage, testing is better, even if the project claims > > > it is not for production environment. More recent kernels and > > > drivers which means more supported hardware, and updated web > > > browsers ar

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 14:24:10, Dennis Clarke wrote: > I think, and this is a WAG ( Wild As* Guess ), there is > a defacto undocumented standard in the linux world which seems to say that > stuff in /usr/local is just local to that given system and never > touched by a package update. I'd say it's q

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 21 ian 13, 11:15:23, Brad Alexander wrote: > > I run a script nightly to capture the package list, debconf database, > disk information (df, df -h, and fdisk -l), and autoinstalled packages > list for every host in my network. > > What this allows me to do is have a pool of generic hosts (

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Joe
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:32:06 -0500 Dennis Clarke wrote: > > > I don't have much to say. It sounds interesting for me, to test SID > > by doing a minimal "expert" install. > > Funny. It took me a full day and three attempts to install Wheezy > onto a Lenovo G575 laptop. Ultimately I resorted to

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
> [snip] > > > For a normal usage, testing is better, even if the project claims it > > is not for production environment. More recent kernels and drivers > > which means more supported hardware, and updated web browsers are > > some obvious interesting points here. They are simply the most > > o

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
> I don't have much to say. It sounds interesting for me, to test SID by > doing a minimal "expert" install. Funny. It took me a full day and three attempts to install Wheezy onto a Lenovo G575 laptop. Ultimately I resorted to creating a live bootable USB image and then doing obscene things li

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Brad Alexander
On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > [snip] >> >> If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system >> with almost nothing. Even "less" is not present in such an >> installation :D >> > I keep a list of al

Re: Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Morel Bérenger
Le Lun 21 janvier 2013 10:46, Ralf Mardorf a écrit : > On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:27:01 +0100, Anthony Campbell > > wrote: > >> On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: >> [snip] >> >>> >>> If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system >>> with almost nothing. Even "les

Customized Debian - Was: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 10:27:01 +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote: On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [snip] If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system with almost nothing. Even "less" is not present in such an installation :D I keep a list of all the packa

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
The original poster shouldn't care about this discussion. It's interesting for people with some experience using Linux and who have got special needs. "The release of Debian called "stable" is always the official released version of Debian. Ordinary users should use this version." - http://

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-21 Thread Anthony Campbell
On 20 Jan 2013, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: [snip] > > If you uncheck them all, as I usually do, you start with a system > with almost nothing. Even "less" is not present in such an > installation :D > I keep a list of all the packages I normally use and then get the same ones when I in

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:01:37 +0100, wrote: my wishes are not to start a war here We could save time and uproar, if we simply link to already existing flame wars :D. My apologies, I guess we are to OT for the OP. @ the OP: don't worry about what we were talking about. OT: Speaking for m

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-20 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.01.2013 07:46, Yaro Kasear a écrit : On 01/20/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: Debian probably won't be doing the switch to systemd. Systemd required very Linux-specific kernel features and Debian has a couple non-Linux ports that'd make going systemd impractical (However I believe system

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Du, 20 ian 13, 08:23:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > A disadvantage for Debian compared to Arch IMO is, that Debian e.g. > installs and starts all kinds of services, installs all kinds of > apps etc. a user might not need. There is no such thing as "Debian installs". Even in normal mode of the De

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 08:08:21 +0100, Thierry Chatelet wrote: it also caused that the mailing list became moderated and some users were completely banned from the list. If you mean 'this' mailing list been moderated, my guess is you are mistaken. And are you positive about people being blackli

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Thierry Chatelet
> it also >caused that the mailing list became moderated and some users were >completely banned from the list. If you mean 'this' mailing list been moderated, my guess is you are mistaken. And are you positive about people being blacklisted? That would be pretty bad, dont you think? Thierry

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 01/20/2013 12:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:59:42 +0100, Yaro Kasear wrote: Even the "non-free" stuff provided for Debian in their official repos or in many third party repos is perfectly safe and usable. non-free provided by Debian is safe regarding to third party rep

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:59:42 +0100, Yaro Kasear wrote: Even the "non-free" stuff provided for Debian in their official repos or in many third party repos is perfectly safe and usable. non-free provided by Debian is safe regarding to third party repos the OP should ask the list for experience

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 01/19/2013 06:55 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:39:55 +0100, Yaro Kasear wrote: Linux system I'd recommend Arch instead. Which I don't call a rolling release. Arch was my preferred distro. If you have a distro with releases you can make hard transitions. For Ubuntu the tr

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 01:39:55 +0100, Yaro Kasear wrote: Linux system I'd recommend Arch instead. Which I don't call a rolling release. Arch was my preferred distro. If you have a distro with releases you can make hard transitions. For Ubuntu the transition from init to upstart wasn't an iss

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:36:45 +0100, wrote: Some examples I am thinking about is support for recent NVidia cards, various wifi or sound chip-sets which do not always have free drivers. The common way to solve those problems is by adding non-free repositories, and install them. It's not that

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Jan 2013 00:07:19 +0100, wrote: Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the trouble-shooting process. For "averaged" usage there aren't "common" problems. What ever "averaged" and "c

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread Yaro Kasear
On 01/19/2013 05:07 PM, ventur...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello: Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the trouble-shooting process. Thank you! Sincerely, Herschel Maybe the primary problem comes with

Re: What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread berenger . morel
Le 20.01.2013 00:07, ventur...@yahoo.com a écrit : Hello: Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the trouble-shooting process. Thank you! Sincerely, Herschel I think main problems is lack of su

What are some common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUX?

2013-01-19 Thread venturehw
Hello: Please provide some examples of common problems when using Debian GNU / LINUXso that I may more effectively gain a better handle on the trouble-shooting process.  Thank you! Sincerely, Herschel