Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread David L. Craig
On 14Oct16:1151-0400, Miles Fidelman wrote: > It strikes me that there's actually very little that needs to be done. In > the short term, the world, including Debian, will continue to support > sysvinit scripts - if only because the BSDs aren't going anywhere, I expect > autotools will continue t

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Miles Fidelman
Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:28:50 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: POINT OF CLARIFICATION: Nothing written below is nosh specific. It could be used with nosh, or upstart, or sysvinit, or any other PID1 that's *only* a PID1. So how about it, who wants to join me in neutering systemd on Deb

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:28:50 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: POINT OF CLARIFICATION: Nothing written below is nosh specific. It could be used with nosh, or upstart, or sysvinit, or any other PID1 that's *only* a PID1. So how about it, who wants to join me in neutering systemd on Debian and probably eve

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:52:58 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > >> systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. > >> (Modulo the willingness of the devs over there to discuss th

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:57 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 16 Oct 07:54 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: >> Would that be debian's sysv-init? > > That link is from the sysvinit-core package's description in Sid's > Aptitude. Presumably it is the upstream project. Thank you. I was under the impress

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 16 Oct 07:54 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > Would that be debian's sysv-init? That link is from the sysvinit-core package's description in Sid's Aptitude. Presumably it is the upstream project. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessim

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 9:33 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: >> systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo >> the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.) >> >> What I'm thinking is to talk about specific feature

Re: Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-16 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2014 15 Oct 19:39 -0500, Joel Rees wrote: > systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo > the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.) > > What I'm thinking is to talk about specific features to enable the sort of > "managing services" that systemd s

Would discussion of improving sysv-init be on topic?

2014-10-15 Thread Joel Rees
systemd's problems would best be discussed at the systemd project. (Modulo the willingness of the devs over there to discuss them.) What I'm thinking is to talk about specific features to enable the sort of "managing services" that systemd seems to be aimed at, and how to implement them, where exi