Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

On 2024-04-22, Charlie Gibbs wrote: > > TL;DR: Copying an existing /home into a fresh Debian installation > causes audio in Steam games to glitch - but all other sound is OK. I have only the most vaporous ideas about Steam, but have you tried backing up and then recreating (if such a thing is

Re: SOLVED: Re: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

On 4/24/24 00:46, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On 2024-04-22 16:50, Jeffrey Walton wrote: What are the old and new hard drive model numbers and specs? Correction: the 4TB drive is a Western Digital WD40EFPX.  I was reading it by shining a flashlight through a gap in the frame and squinting from

SOLVED: Re: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

On 2024-04-22 16:50, Jeffrey Walton wrote: What are the old and new hard drive model numbers and specs? Correction: the 4TB drive is a Western Digital WD40EFPX. I was reading it by shining a flashlight through a gap in the frame and squinting from a wide angle because I didn't want to take

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

> I doubt the new drive is slower than the old drive: Overall, agreed. Tho AFAICT the new drive spins slower (5400rpm vs 7200rpm), so it has a slightly higher rotational latency. This means that in *some* cases it can be slower. Now, I have no idea whether that's the cause of the glitches.

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

On 4/23/24 09:02, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: Charlie Gibbs wrote: On 2024-04-22 16:50, Jeffrey Walton wrote: What are the old and new hard drive model numbers and specs? The old drive is a Western Digital WD5000YS (500GB SATA). The new drive is a Western Digital Red, WF40EFPX (4TB

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

On 4/22/24 21:26, Charlie Gibbs wrote: On 2024-04-22 16:50, Jeffrey Walton wrote: What are the old and new hard drive model numbers and specs? The old drive is a Western Digital WD5000YS (500GB SATA). https://www.newegg.com/western-digital-re2-wd5000ys-500gb/p/N82E16822136032?Item

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On 2024-04-22 16:50, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > > > What are the old and new hard drive model numbers and specs? > > The old drive is a Western Digital WD5000YS (500GB SATA). > The new drive is a Western Digital Red, WF40EFPX (4TB SATA). According to

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

On 2024-04-22 16:50, Jeffrey Walton wrote: What are the old and new hard drive model numbers and specs? The old drive is a Western Digital WD5000YS (500GB SATA). The new drive is a Western Digital Red, WF40EFPX (4TB SATA). If the old hard drive was spinning rust, it is acceptable to replace

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

TV's big screen. I also play a few Steam games > (e.g. Portal) on it. It's a 2007-vintage machine, but it has 8GB > of RAM and enough CPU power to do the job, and runs the latest > version of Bookworm. > > Recently I decided to upgrade its storage capacity, and replaced > its

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

> Recently I decided to upgrade its storage capacity, and replaced > its 500GB hard drive (which was pretty large at the time I bought > it) with a 4TB drive. I did an install from scratch using a > network install CD, then copied my /home partition (using rsync) > fro

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

) on it.  It's a 2007-vintage machine, but it has 8GB of RAM and enough CPU power to do the job, and runs the latest version of Bookworm. Recently I decided to upgrade its storage capacity, and replaced its 500GB hard drive (which was pretty large at the time I bought it) with a 4TB drive.  I did an install

Re: Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

es somewhere else > (/usr?) containing information critical to audio for Steam. Do you sync /etc ? Configuration is mainly there. > (Side question: is this an acceptable way to upgrade a hard drive?) There is other ways but yes if you also sync /etc :)

Subject: Glitchy sound in Steam games after hard drive upgrade

of RAM and enough CPU power to do the job, and runs the latest version of Bookworm. Recently I decided to upgrade its storage capacity, and replaced its 500GB hard drive (which was pretty large at the time I bought it) with a 4TB drive. I did an install from scratch using a network install CD

Re: Portable External Hard Drive 2TB (was: Unidentified subject!)

On 2/7/24 21:55, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote: > 2T ssd's: > > It appears

Re: Portable External Hard Drive 2TB (was: Unidentified subject!)

On 2/7/24 21:55, David Christensen wrote: On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote: > 2T ssd's: > > It appears

Portable External Hard Drive 2TB (was: Unidentified subject!)

On 1/22/24 19:55, gene heskett wrote: > 2T ssd's: > > It appears Amazon took down the above web page. Using

External hard drive not detected in debian 12 live environment

Hello, I have a new external hard drive "Western Digital My Passport Ultra" that doesn't seem to detect in any way when I plug it into a live debian 12 environment. If I run `journalctl -f` or `lsusb` or `lssci` or really anything else I can think of I can't find any evidence that

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

tested with no errors. Good. I've done some of these. But as I am not seeing any more hard drive issues, I'm not going to spend any more time on the rest. Agreed. 7. Boot memtest86+ and run overnight or longer. Interestingly enough, memtest86 locks up right at the 4096 MB mark. It also

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

hard drives and SSD; all passed. I've seen no hard drive error messages all day. On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:56:50 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > On 4/25/22 07:18, Charles Curley wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:52:15 -0700 > > David Christensen wrote: > > > >> So,

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

On 4/25/22 07:18, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:52:15 -0700 David Christensen wrote: So, RAID 5 HDD's are sda, sdc, and sdd, and optical is sdb? Optical is sr0. Interesting. (Must be the SATA controller expansion card?) sda is an SSD with all the system, /home, etc.

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:47:50 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > I will assume all three HDD's are the same make and model, per > smartctl(8) report below. Nope. Two WD Reds, as the report indicates, but not bought at the same time so likely to be different in detail. One Seagate Ironwolf. > >>

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 22:52:15 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > So, RAID 5 HDD's are sda, sdc, and sdd, and optical is sdb? Optical is sr0. sda is an SSD with all the system, /home, etc. md0 is mounted at /crc. > > > You do have a backup of your Debian system configuration files and > your

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

On 4/24/22 17:10, Charles Curley wrote: On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 13:08:03 -0600 Charles Curley wrote: I have three hard drives in a RAID 5 array. RAID has not yet failed the errant drive. Just now, via ssh into finnix: root@0:~# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [linear]

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

evice Model: WDC WD40EFRX-68N32N0 Western Digital Red Plus NAS hard drive: https://www.westerndigital.com/products/internal-drives/wd-red-plus-sata-3-5-hdd#WD10EFRX SMART Extended Self-test Log Version: 1 (1 sectors) Num Test_DescriptionStatus Remaining LifeTime(

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 13:08:03 -0600 Charles Curley wrote: > I have three hard drives in a RAID 5 array. RAID has not yet failed the errant drive. Just now, via ssh into finnix: root@0:~# cat /proc/mdstat Personalities : [raid6] [raid5] [raid4] [linear] [multipath] [raid0] [raid1] [raid10]

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 14:07:14 -0700 David Christensen wrote: > On 4/24/22 12:08, Charles Curley wrote: > > I have three hard drives in a RAID 5 array. > > > What is the make and model of your motherboard? RAID HDD's? ASUS H97M-E > > > How is the motherboard connected to the HDD's? SATA.

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

On 4/24/22 12:08, Charles Curley wrote: I have three hard drives in a RAID 5 array. This morning my motherboard went wonky and crashed. USB devices on the motherboard are acting up. I cannot reboot to Debian. I can, however, boot to finnix 120. Using that, I have fscked all partitions, including

Re: Do I need a new hard drive?

Hello Charles On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 01:08:03PM -0600, Charles Curley wrote: > I have three hard drives in a RAID 5 array. This morning my motherboard > went wonky and crashed. USB devices on the motherboard are acting up. I > cannot reboot to Debian. I can, however, boot to finnix 120. Using >

Do I need a new hard drive?

I have three hard drives in a RAID 5 array. This morning my motherboard went wonky and crashed. USB devices on the motherboard are acting up. I cannot reboot to Debian. I can, however, boot to finnix 120. Using that, I have fscked all partitions, including the RAID array. I am running checksums,

Re: Throw an hard drive with Debian installation into...

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 12:31:58PM +0200, Anssi Saari wrote: > Thomas Anderson writes: > > > I am curious, what would happen if I threw a fully functionally, > > > > Linux installation (HDD) into an entirely different hardware configuration: > > > > Different Process AMD->Intel? > > > > Ram/mobo

Re: Throw an hard drive with Debian installation into...

Thomas Anderson writes: > I am curious, what would happen if I threw a fully functionally, > > Linux installation (HDD) into an entirely different hardware configuration: > > Different Process AMD->Intel? > > Ram/mobo I assume doesn't matter? > > I half expect it to boot up, and be fully

Re: Throw an hard drive with Debian installation into...

Thanks for replies. It all makes sense once I get the answers. =) On 2/15/22 07:29, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 01:58:24AM +0100, Thomas Anderson wrote: I am curious, what would happen if I threw a fully functionally, Linux installation (HDD) into an entirely different

Re: Throw an hard drive with Debian installation into...

On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 01:58:24AM +0100, Thomas Anderson wrote: > I am curious, what would happen if I threw a fully functionally, > > Linux installation (HDD) into an entirely different hardware configuration: It depends :-) It starts with the bootloader: different hardware boots in very

Re: Throw an hard drive with Debian installation into...

On 2022-02-14 19:58, Thomas Anderson wrote: > I am curious, what would happen if I threw a fully functionally, > > Linux installation (HDD) into an entirely different hardware configuration: > > Different Process AMD->Intel? > > Ram/mobo I assume doesn't matter? > > I half expect it to boot

Throw an hard drive with Debian installation into...

I am curious, what would happen if I threw a fully functionally, Linux installation (HDD) into an entirely different hardware configuration: Different Process AMD->Intel? Ram/mobo I assume doesn't matter? I half expect it to boot up, and be fully functional. But, I have not tested it. I am

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Thank you everyone that helped me with this issue. I learned a great deal. Namely, for my particular use case, SMR drives are sub-optimal. It is VERY difficult to even find out if drives are SMR or CMR, because apparently the manufacturers try to put it all out the door. As mentioned by Mr.

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 9:02 AM David wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 23:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > And what does this SMR acronym mean, Dan? > > Questions like this can be answered with an > internet search engine. Search for "Seagate SMR". > For fun you can add search terms like >

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On 21/10/2021 03:34, David Christensen wrote: Very detailed analysis, better than mine! Much appreciated. -- With kindest regards, Piotr. ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ Debian - The universal operating system ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org ⠈⠳⣄

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Thursday 21 October 2021 09:02:01 David wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 23:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > And what does this SMR acronym mean, Dan? > > Questions like this can be answered with an > internet search engine. Search for "Seagate SMR". > For fun you can add search terms like >

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Jo, 21 oct 21, 16:02:43, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 21 oct 21, 08:53:10, Gene Heskett wrote: > > On Thursday 21 October 2021 08:13:26 Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > > > > Device Model: ST8000DM004-2CX188 > > > > > > You should be able to return

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Jo, 21 oct 21, 08:53:10, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Thursday 21 October 2021 08:13:26 Dan Ritter wrote: > > > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > > > Device Model: ST8000DM004-2CX188 > > > > You should be able to return this drive without proving that it > > is defective; this is one of

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 23:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > And what does this SMR acronym mean, Dan? Questions like this can be answered with an internet search engine. Search for "Seagate SMR". For fun you can add search terms like "controversy guilty dreaded bad press" etc.

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Thursday 21 October 2021 08:13:26 Dan Ritter wrote: > > === START OF INFORMATION SECTION === > > Device Model: ST8000DM004-2CX188 > > You should be able to return this drive without proving that it > is defective; this is one of Seagates' SMR drives that they did > not disclose were SMR. >

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Thomas Anderson wrote: > Here are the results, of my smartctl test: > > I am trying to parse them myself, to see if I can learn anything. But, > immediate glance > > and queries did not reveal anything that could help me determine if the > drive is good or not. > > > smartctl 6.6 2017-11-05

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Jo, 21 oct 21, 02:12:25, piorunz wrote: > > Lastly, you should use it in RAID1 or similar mode, to ensure there is > always backup of data this drive keeps. RAID is meant only for uptime, backup is something else, see: http://taobackup.com/. > You can try Btrfs raid1 or mdadm raid1. Mostly

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Hi. On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 01:45:52AM +0200, Thomas Anderson wrote: > I am trying to parse them myself, to see if I can learn anything. But, > immediate glance and queries did not reveal anything that could help > me determine if the drive is good or not. It's not. You have a Seagate,

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

> On 10/18/21 6:52 PM, Reco wrote: >>Hi. >> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 06:25:19PM +0200, Thomas Anderson wrote: >>> I have been having problems with a drive (non-SSD) for a while now, >>> but I would like to "identify" the problem specifically, so that I may >>> perhaps be able to get the

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On 21/10/2021 00:45, Thomas Anderson wrote: Here are the results, of my smartctl test: Five metrics from smartctl require attention: Device ModelST8000DM004-2CX188 9 Power_On_Hours 14558 183 Runtime_Bad_Block 5 187 Reported_Uncorrect 1334

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On Wednesday 20 October 2021 19:45:52 Thomas Anderson wrote: > Here are the results, of my smartctl test: > This would be much easier to decode if you turned off wordwrap, and repasted from that terminal screen. > I am trying to parse them myself, to see if I can learn anything. But, >

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Here are the results, of my smartctl test: I am trying to parse them myself, to see if I can learn anything. But, immediate glance and queries did not reveal anything that could help me determine if the drive is good or not. smartctl 6.6 2017-11-05 r4594 [x86_64-linux-4.19.0-18-amd64] (local

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

> Essentially, I have been experienced data loss, where nodes become > unreadable, when I try to "fix it" with fdisk, it says it moves unreadable > to the trash, basically deleting data. "it says"? Can you clarify what is this "it"? Drive-level errors of "unreadable data" normally lead to

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

On 10/18/21 9:25 AM, Thomas Anderson wrote: Hello Gurus, I have been having problems with a drive (non-SSD) for a while now, but I would like to "identify" the problem specifically, so that I may perhaps be able to get the drive replaced. Essentially, I have been experienced data loss,

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Have a look at "smartctl". It will print some info about the drive and can also "test" your drive known as S.M.A.R.T-test. First of all i would have a look what "smartctl -a /dev/sdX" will say. Am 18.10.21 um 18:25 schrieb Thomas Anderson: > Hello Gurus, > > I have been having problems with a

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Cool, thanks Reco! Will post again tomorrow =) Takes 987 minutes apparently. On 10/18/21 6:52 PM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 06:25:19PM +0200, Thomas Anderson wrote: I have been having problems with a drive (non-SSD) for a while now, but I would like to "identify" the

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Hi. On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 06:25:19PM +0200, Thomas Anderson wrote: > I have been having problems with a drive (non-SSD) for a while now, > but I would like to "identify" the problem specifically, so that I may > perhaps be able to get the drive replaced. Assuming it's SATA/IDE drive,

Re: Sata Hard drive testing

Thomas Anderson composed on 2021-10-18 18:25 (UTC+0200): > I have been having problems with a drive (non-SSD) for a while now, but > I would like to "identify" the problem specifically, so that I may > perhaps be able to get the drive replaced. > Essentially, I have been experienced data loss,

Sata Hard drive testing

Hello Gurus, I have been having problems with a drive (non-SSD) for a while now, but I would like to "identify" the problem specifically, so that I may perhaps be able to get the drive replaced. Essentially, I have been experienced data loss, where nodes become unreadable, when I try to

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Hello, On Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 07:27:17AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > I think the primary use case of debian-user-offtopic would be to > have a place for people on debian-user to tell others to move > their threads. It is technically feasible of course. That's not the bit I'd have doubts about.

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On 2021-08-19 9:04 a.m., Jim Popovitch wrote: > On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 07:23 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> I've been subscribed to this list for a long time and I've seen a >> change in how it is being used, which I think is harmful to its core >> purpose > > 100% agree. I'm another long

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Thu, 2021-08-19 at 07:23 +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > I've been subscribed to this list for a long time and I've seen a > change in how it is being used, which I think is harmful to its core > purpose 100% agree. I'm another long time subscriber here and this is just bonkers lately. The

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On 2021-08-19 2:18 a.m., deloptes wrote: > Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > >> You seem pretty good a drawing a line between *good* and *bad*, always >> putting yourself on the *good* side. >> > > see this is exactly the attitude I am reffering to. > >> What if ? What if there wasn't

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 01:34:24AM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: What if ? What if there wasn't any *bad* user ? You are the one bringing over old subject that you consider off-topic. You seem really touched by giving your self a role as governor of a mailing list or policing

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > You seem pretty good a drawing a line between *good* and *bad*, always > putting yourself on the *good* side. > see this is exactly the attitude I am reffering to. > What if ? What if there wasn't any *bad* user ? You are the one bringing > over old

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On 2021-08-18 12:57 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 14:27:13 +0200, deloptes wrote: > >> Jonathan Dowland wrote: >> >>> I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the >>> official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere.  But, >>> such a list will only

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On 2021-08-17 7:04 p.m., Brian wrote: > On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 14:56:30 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > [...] > >> Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a >> lot >> of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. > > Nice? Really? There was one.

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Wed 18 Aug 2021 at 14:27:13 +0200, deloptes wrote: > Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > > I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the > > official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere.  But, > > such a list will only serve its purpose if it gets used *instead* > >

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the > official Debian mailing list server, rather than elsewhere.  But, > such a list will only serve its purpose if it gets used *instead* > of off-topic conversations on this list. Does anyone think that >

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Wednesday, August 18, 2021 07:27:17 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > I think the primary use case of debian-user-offtopic would be to > have a place for people on debian-user to tell others to move > their threads. That sounds like a useful thing -- somebody could point out that a post is off- topic and

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 02:56:30PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a > > lot > > of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. > > I think the way forward this time would be to request

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 02:56:30PM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a lot of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. I think the way forward this time would be to request one on the official Debian mailing list

Re: Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Tue 17 Aug 2021 at 14:56:30 -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] > Hmm, afaiac, it would be nice to have an off-topic list with the hopes of a > lot > of the people on debian-user might subscribe to it. Nice? Really? There was one. It failed abysmally in its task. The boys and girls post

Wishing for an off-topic mail list with debian-user participants (or most of them) (was: Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian])

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 10:54:34 AM SDA wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:01:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 08:26:34AM -0400, SDA wrote: > > > BTW there has been an off-topic list introduced by a community member, > > > but it seems has had little uptake. > >

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 03:01:43PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 08:26:34AM -0400, SDA wrote: > > BTW there has been an off-topic list introduced by a community member, > > but it seems has had little uptake. > > I looked into this the other day, because I hadn't seen

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 08:26:34AM -0400, SDA wrote: BTW there has been an off-topic list introduced by a community member, but it seems has had little uptake. I looked into this the other day, because I hadn't seen reference to it for a while. It was called d-community-offtopic; it was hosted

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 06:05:58PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > I'm afraid this conversation is a waste of time. > The goal posts are moved around at convenience, rather in than any > serious manner at resolving an issue that is minor, if even existent. > Cheers! > > Harry. Oh it exists Harry! I've

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 09:12:08PM -0400, Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside wrote: > On 2021-08-09 9:37 p.m., Andy Smith wrote: > > I'm sorry you feel that way. It has felt quite frustrating having to > > repeat myself when I thought I was being clear about what I meant. > I think it would

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hi, On 2021-08-09 9:37 p.m., Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 06:05:58PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >>> So that's where I think the problems are and why I think it would be >>> good to try separating the user support from the debate club. >> >> I'm afraid this conversation is a

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Tue, Aug 10, 2021 at 02:51:02AM +0200, Linux-Fan wrote: > I think that switching support over to a different medium i.e. from e- > mail to Q will see a different sort of user participating. > Hence, the "community" one would find on the Q site is not there yet. This > explains why it

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 06:05:58PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > > So that's where I think the problems are and why I think it would be > > good to try separating the user support from the debate club. > > I'm afraid this conversation is a waste of time. I'm sorry you feel that way. It has felt

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:22:46PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > On 10-08-2021 09:01, Andy Smith wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 10:19:19PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > >> I am asking the Debian Project to can this list in favour of an > >> alternate solution or else to make it strictly for

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On 10-08-2021 10:59, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:06:43PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: >> > I really don't want to get into calling out specific sub-threads >> > that have been ridiculously off-topic recently, They are not hard to >>

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Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:06:43PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: > > I really don't want to get into calling out specific sub-threads > > that have been ridiculously off-topic recently, They are not hard to > > find; there's just so many of them. > > That

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Andy Smith writes: Hello, On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > any ideas on how to make the situation better? To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a Stack

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On 10-08-2021 09:01, Andy Smith wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 10:19:19PM +, Andy Smith wrote: >> I am asking the Debian Project to can this list in favour of an >> alternate solution or else to make it strictly for Debian-related >> posts only. > > I want to walk this one back a bit as

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On 10-08-2021 07:54, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 05:01:50PM -0700, Weaver wrote: >> On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: >> > A lack of politeness isn't really debian-user's biggest problem. I >> > think debian-user's biggest problem is the lack of restraint >> >

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On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 10:19:19PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > I am asking the Debian Project to can this list in favour of an > alternate solution or else to make it strictly for Debian-related > posts only. I want to walk this one back a bit as there's no need to destroy the community that

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Hello, On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 07:26:50AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 09:33:02PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > My only suggestion was a Stack Overflow-style question-answer site. > > Those aren't discussion forums. > > Two things: (a) SO is a commercial site. It has

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Hello, On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 05:01:50PM -0700, Weaver wrote: > On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: > > A lack of politeness isn't really debian-user's biggest problem. I > > think debian-user's biggest problem is the lack of restraint > > prolific posters have on posting every thought that

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On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 04:09:19PM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 11:09:24AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > [mailman, threads crossing month boundaries] > I'm fairly sure it will resemble mailman (<=2) in this respect yes. > But that's also how the Debian mailing

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On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 11:09:24AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: If it bears any similarity to classic mailman, then colour me unimpressed. My pet peeve with that one is that it cuts lists into month sized slices (which makes kind of sense when you want a month view, but puts you in an awkward

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On 2021-08-07, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > On 7/8/21 08:58, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Not "you're wrong", but "you can't prove it". >> >> To me, that's a tacit ADMISSION of guilt. > > > Ah I see another avid watcher of Police drama speaking here > Sherlock has left the building.

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On Mon, Aug 09, 2021 at 08:33:08AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote: > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > >To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > >for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a > >Stack Overflow-like

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a Stack Overflow-like site. I agree with you to some extent. I've wondered for a long while whether

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On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 09:33:02PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:00:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] > …which, again, I haven't suggested. I don't know why you keep going > back to the idea of web forums. It's obvious that a web discussion > forum

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On 09-08-2021 07:33, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:00:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: >> > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue >> > for user support and I would these

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Hello, On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:00:55PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > > for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a > > Stack

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On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 03:26:25PM +, Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > any ideas on how to make the situation better? > > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > for user support and I would

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Hi, > If you particularly want to do this, CoDidact is a non-profit > developing and running a GNU Affero-licensed codebase for this > sort of thing. I know one of the founders, if you'd like an > introduction. https://codidact.org/ > I've looked at CoDiact and this seem to be using many

Re: On improving mailing list [was: How to Boot Linux ISO Images Directly From Your Hard Drive Debian]

Andy Smith wrote: > Hello, > > On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > any ideas on how to make the situation better? > > To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue > for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a >

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On 0808, Andy Smith wrote: >On Sun, Aug 08, 2021 at 11:35:15AM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: >> any ideas on how to make the situation better? > >To be honest I don't think that mailing lists are a very good venue >for user support and I would these days prefer to direct people to a >Stack

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