Re: Differences between installs (was: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?])

2018-07-18 Thread Curt
On 2018-07-18, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I'm of the opinion we're all running different machines with >>> different sets of software, and this explains that (could be wrong, >>> though). >> I was just -so- sure we all had the exact same installs. > > All joking aside: I've been maintaining about 4

Differences between installs (was: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?])

2018-07-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> I'm of the opinion we're all running different machines with >> different sets of software, and this explains that (could be wrong, >> though). > I was just -so- sure we all had the exact same installs. All joking aside: I've been maintaining about 4-5 Debian machines, all using Debian testing

Re: A Different Naive Question [Re: Naive newbie question]

2018-07-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
quoting. top Stop > On Mon, 2018-07-16 at 21:51 -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > Have you looked at lsb-base? On Tue, Jul 17, 2018 at 05:57:58AM -0500, Austin LaBerta wrote: > i can neither find the source on salsa (since as far as what i've found > lsb-base is a stripped down version compared to

Re: A Different Naive Question [Re: Naive newbie question]

2018-07-17 Thread Austin LaBerta
i can neither find the source on salsa (since as far as what i've found lsb-base is a stripped down version compared to the actual lsb specs?), nor a man entry. It has something to do with logging? I guess thats not very essential, although a breakage could be very annoying for locating other prob

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 11:00:15PM +0300, Reco wrote: LSB was more than that. It was a set of standards declaring what you can find in your typical GNU/Linux system. LSB was always somewhat controversial when one tried to apply it to any non-rpm distribution (LSB mandated rpm as package manager),

Re: A Different Naive Question [Re: Naive newbie question]

2018-07-16 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 08:11:20PM -0500, Octopus Octopus wrote: as states For all practical concerns, you should consider the LSB package orphaned (and I should probably just go ahead and orphan it). and if a lot of things depend on lsb-base, isn't that like, very very b

Re: A Different Naive Question [Re: Naive newbie question]

2018-07-16 Thread Octopus Octopus
On 07/15/2018 10:48 PM, Octopus Octopus wrote: > > > > On 07/15/2018 08:57 PM, John Crawley wrote: >> On 2018-07-16 04:33, Richard Owlett wrote: >>> Can I a Debian user opt to not install "LSB" without ill effects? >> >> Some ...er, many Debian packages depend on lsb-base. >> 'apt-cache rdepends

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 05:58:20PM +, Curt wrote: > I'm of the opinion we're all running different machines with different sets of > software, and this explains that (could be wrong, though). I was just -so- sure we all had the exact same installs. ;D

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Curt
On 2018-07-16, Richard Owlett wrote: >> >> In this particular case the result of 'aptitude why' is misleading, to >> say the least: >> >> $ aptitude why speech-dispatcher >> i grub2Depends grub-common (= 2.02~beta3-5) >> i A grub-common Suggests desktop-base (>= 4.0.6) >> i A desktop

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/16/2018 08:12 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 02:43:18PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 07:08:34AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] But it sheds light on this thread's original subject line. It listed several packages [e.g. speech-dispatche

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Brian
On Mon 16 Jul 2018 at 07:15:25 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 07/16/2018 05:14 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:57:32AM +0900, John Crawley wrote: > > > On 2018-07-16 04:33, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > > Can I a Debian user opt to not install "LSB" without ill effects? > >

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 02:43:18PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 07:08:34AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > [...] > > > But it sheds light on this thread's original subject line. > > It listed several packages [e.g. speech-dispatcher] for which I have > >

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/16/2018 07:43 AM, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 07:08:34AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] But it sheds light on this thread's original subject line. It listed several packages [e.g. speech-dispatcher] for which I have n

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 07:08:34AM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > But it sheds light on this thread's original subject line. > It listed several packages [e.g. speech-dispatcher] for which I have > no apparent need. It will be educational to se

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/16/2018 05:14 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:57:32AM +0900, John Crawley wrote: On 2018-07-16 04:33, Richard Owlett wrote: Can I a Debian user opt to not install "LSB" without ill effects? Some ...er, many Debian packages depend on lsb-base. 'apt-cache rdepends lsb-b

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/15/2018 08:57 PM, John Crawley wrote: On 2018-07-16 04:33, Richard Owlett wrote: Can I a Debian user opt to not install "LSB" without ill effects? Some ...er, many Debian packages depend on lsb-base. 'apt-cache rdepends lsb-base' for a long list. Interesting. But it answers too broad a

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-16 Thread Darac Marjal
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 10:57:32AM +0900, John Crawley wrote: On 2018-07-16 04:33, Richard Owlett wrote: Can I a Debian user opt to not install "LSB" without ill effects? Some ...er, many Debian packages depend on lsb-base. 'apt-cache rdepends lsb-base' for a long list. Yes, but in that case

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-15 Thread John Crawley
On 2018-07-16 04:33, Richard Owlett wrote: Can I a Debian user opt to not install "LSB" without ill effects? Some ...er, many Debian packages depend on lsb-base. 'apt-cache rdepends lsb-base' for a long list. -- John

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-15 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 02:33:02PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: [...] > Is it of any use to Debian _users_ who *ONLY* use official Debian > repositories? It is useful for someone who wants to write a program which shall run on an LSB-compliant syste

Re: Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-15 Thread Reco
Hi. On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 02:33:02PM -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > > > What is your suggestion here? Apply the patch I provided (or maybe a > > > better one), or get rid of lsb-base completely? > > > > Aim to ditch lsb-base in the long run. > > For here and now I'd used something like

Naive newbie question [Re: Debian got too fat?]

2018-07-15 Thread Richard Owlett
On 07/15/2018 06:44 AM, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 12:16:20PM +0200, Harald Dunkel wrote: Hi folks, would you mind to take a look at https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=888743 The fix is pretty easy. But does not address all the cornercases, IMO.

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, May 12, 2018 02:54:53 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > But you started me thinking about how my use case differs from any > normal user. Yup, it appears so. ;-)

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Rick Thomas
Yes, rsync has a “-x" option, which does the same thing as for cp: it keeps it from crossing filesystem boundaries. If you are using rsync to back up whole filesystems, it’s indispensable. Rick On May 12, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Tixy wrote: > Some commands have options to stop them looking at oth

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2018-05-12 at 13:58 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > On 05/12/2018 12:50 PM, Tixy wrote: > > On Sat, 2018-05-12 at 13:28 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > >> Another hierarchy in Linux not to sync is /system for the same reason > >> you don't sync /proc. > > > > Presumably you meant /sys ? > >

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Brian
On Sat 12 May 2018 at 13:54:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: > I'll keep that in mind. > But you started me thinking about how my use case differs from any normal > user. You would have to put yourself in the thought mode of a normal user (whatever he is) instead of seeing youself as having specia

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 12:50 PM, Tixy wrote: On Sat, 2018-05-12 at 13:28 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: Another hierarchy in Linux not to sync is /system for the same reason you don't sync /proc. Presumably you meant /sys ? Basically, the OP probably don't want to try and sync mount points for things tha

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 12:48 PM, Hans wrote: Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2018, 19:37:40 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett: Please note, the directory is NOT /system, it is /sys. Juda got a little typo. :) I won't complain too much. Otherwise peuple will start talking about mine ;/ However, I would avoid /proc, /sy

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Hans
Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2018, 19:37:40 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett: Please note, the directory is NOT /system, it is /sys. Juda got a little typo. :) However, I would avoid /proc, /sys, /tmp and /lost+found Hint: If you might put /home on another partition, you can easily install or sync a new syste

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Tixy
On Sat, 2018-05-12 at 13:28 -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote: > Another hierarchy in Linux not to sync is /system for the same reason > you don't sync /proc. Presumably you meant /sys ? Basically, the OP probably don't want to try and sync mount points for things that aren't ordinary filesystems and th

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 12:28 PM, Jude DaShiell wrote: Another hierarchy in Linux not to sync is /system for the same reason you don't sync /proc. thank you.

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Jude DaShiell
On Sat, 12 May 2018, Richard Owlett wrote: Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 11:54:13 From: Richard Owlett To: debian-user Subject: Re: rsync - newbie question Resent-Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 15:54:40 + (UTC) Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org On 05/12/2018 10:47 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Hans
Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2018, 17:54:13 CEST schrieb Richard Owlett: As Eero said, do not sync /proc, you can use the --exclude option. There is a good description here, how to exclude things: https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2011/01/rsync-exclude-files-and-folders/? utm_source=feedburner Have fun! Hans

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Eero Volotinen
You should not sync /proc. it's not normal directory Eero la 12. toukok. 2018 klo 18.37 Richard Owlett kirjoitti: > In another thread it was suggested that I use:> rsync -avzh --delete > -n > > I tried it and got ~200 error messages of form: > > > file has vanished: "/proc/10/exe" > > > f

Re: rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
On 05/12/2018 10:47 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote: You should not sync /proc. it's not normal directory Eero Thank you.

rsync - newbie question

2018-05-12 Thread Richard Owlett
In another thread it was suggested that I use:> rsync -avzh --delete -n I tried it and got ~200 error messages of form: file has vanished: "/proc/10/exe" file has vanished: "/proc/10/task/10/exe" file has vanished: "/proc/101/exe" file has vanished: "/proc/101/task/101/exe" f

Re: NEWBIE question Re: static or dynamic /dev

2013-04-06 Thread Richard Owlett
Joe Pfeiffer wrote: Richard Owlett writes: Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 05:42:32AM -0700, sting wing wrote: Question: how does a person know if their /dev is a static or dynamic /dev % findmnt /dev TARGET SOURCE FSTYPE OPTIONS /dev devtmpfs devtmpfs rw,size=249844k,nr

Re: NEWBIE question Re: static or dynamic /dev

2013-04-05 Thread Joe Pfeiffer
Richard Owlett writes: > Roger Leigh wrote: >> On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 05:42:32AM -0700, sting wing wrote: >>> Question: how does a person know if their /dev is a static or dynamic /dev > >> >> % findmnt /dev >> TARGET SOURCE FSTYPE OPTIONS >> /dev devtmpfs devtmpfs rw,size=249844k,nr_inode

Re: NEWBIE question Re: static or dynamic /dev

2013-04-05 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> What does it mean when /dev is said to be static? dynamic? > What should I be reading about? On Linux, static tends to be used on embedded systems for speed and sanity when you know about all the hardware that will be connected and don't want anything interfering. OpenBSD has a Makedev script wh

NEWBIE question Re: static or dynamic /dev

2013-04-05 Thread Richard Owlett
Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Apr 05, 2013 at 05:42:32AM -0700, sting wing wrote: Question: how does a person know if their /dev is a static or dynamic /dev What does it mean when /dev is said to be static? dynamic? What should I be reading about? % findmnt /dev TARGET SOURCE FSTYPE OPTIO

Re: another Newbie question ldab vs winbind

2013-02-02 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
any help plz? On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Muhammad Yousuf Khan wrote: > i have heard people suggest using winbind ( i think it is a kerberos > base auth ) with samba and ldap with posfix. the question is why. > it seem more easier when i configure it for freeNAS and openfire XAMPP server. > >

another Newbie question ldab vs winbind

2013-02-01 Thread Muhammad Yousuf Khan
i have heard people suggest using winbind ( i think it is a kerberos base auth ) with samba and ldap with posfix. the question is why. it seem more easier when i configure it for freeNAS and openfire XAMPP server. My experience with samba and winbind was quite difficult however now after configuri

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread Valery Mamonov
2012/10/11 houkensjtu > Thanks Joe, Brian, Murphy > > As I post above, I forgot to say all these experiments were done in my > home on my laptop... > Now I am in my office and re-do all this experiment. > To be short, now all experiment which is done with ip address works well, > while if I do ss

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread houkensjtu
Thanks Joe, Brian, Murphy As I post above, I forgot to say all these experiments were done in my home on my laptop... Now I am in my office and re-do all this experiment. To be short, now all experiment which is done with ip address works well, while if I do ssh USER@DEBIAN, it will say: ssh: C

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread Neal Murphy
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 08:19:25 PM houkensjtu wrote: > Thanks for great reply!! > I have to apologize for sth... I forgot to say that all these experiments > were done in home on my laptop...omg So, now I solved the problem with > echo "1">/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward > > What is this fil

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread houkensjtu
Brian於 2012年10月11日星期四UTC+9上午8時00分04秒寫道: > On Wed 10 Oct 2012 at 08:35:13 -0700, houkensjtu wrote: > > > > > I am a newbie both of debian and networking... Recently I am trying > > > to connect my home laptop(I have a router in my home) from office. I > > > read several articles on port forwar

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread houkensjtu
Hi Joe! Thank you for detailed reply! Actually I found a switch which solved my problem and now all my experiments works perfectly. The command is: echo "1">/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward but...What is it?! Is there any other way to check and configure my laptop's status without writing directly

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 10 Oct 2012 at 19:44:27 +0100, Joe wrote: [Some good advice snipped] > However you resolve the initial problem, the ssh server is very heavily > targeted by the bad guys, using password checking bots. A quick and > dirty security measure is to forward a non-standard high numbered > externa

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread Brian
On Wed 10 Oct 2012 at 08:35:13 -0700, houkensjtu wrote: > I am a newbie both of debian and networking... Recently I am trying > to connect my home laptop(I have a router in my home) from office. I > read several articles on port forwarding. And I succeeded in opening > an 22 port on my router, al

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread Joe
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 08:35:13 -0700 (PDT) houkensjtu wrote: > Hi debianer! > I am a newbie both of debian and networking... > Recently I am trying to connect my home laptop(I have a router in my > home) from office. I read several articles on port forwarding. And I > succeeded in opening an 22 por

Re: newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread Nuno Magalhães
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html A bit of searching the net on port-forwarding oughta give you the answer. You probably forgot to forward port 22 on the router to whichever ip adress your DEBIAN has. Search around for stuff on your router/ISP combo as they're almost always blocked

newbie question on port forwarding(and ssh, netcat)

2012-10-10 Thread houkensjtu
Hi debianer! I am a newbie both of debian and networking... Recently I am trying to connect my home laptop(I have a router in my home) from office. I read several articles on port forwarding. And I succeeded in opening an 22 port on my router, also I started ssh server on my home laptop. (suppos

Re: A newbie question about competing libs

2008-06-26 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/26/08 21:14, buyoppy wrote: >> On 06/25/08 20:38, buyoppy wrote: >>> When I tried to build some application which >> requires the >>> latest version of some other lib, first I >> installed that >>> required lib from source into /usr/local/lib an

Re: A newbie question about competing libs

2008-06-26 Thread buyoppy
> On 06/25/08 20:38, buyoppy wrote: > > When I tried to build some application which > requires the > > latest version of some other lib, first I > installed that > > required lib from source into /usr/local/lib and > > ldconfiged. Older version of that lib which was > installed > > from package r

Re: A newbie question about competing libs

2008-06-26 Thread Mumia W..
On 06/25/2008 08:38 PM, buyoppy wrote: > When I tried to build some application which requires the > latest version of some other lib, first I installed that > required lib from source into /usr/local/lib and > ldconfiged. That wasn't a good idea. > Older version of that lib which was installed

Re: A newbie question about competing libs

2008-06-25 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/25/08 20:38, buyoppy wrote: > When I tried to build some application which requires the > latest version of some other lib, first I installed that > required lib from source into /usr/local/lib and > ldconfiged. Older version of that lib which w

A newbie question about competing libs

2008-06-25 Thread buyoppy
When I tried to build some application which requires the latest version of some other lib, first I installed that required lib from source into /usr/local/lib and ldconfiged. Older version of that lib which was installed from package remains at /usr/lib. Then I tried to build target application,

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-26 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Tyler Smith wrote: > On 2008-02-22, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Are you aware that you can resize your partitions non destructively using >> something like qtparted? First backup all your data before you do >> anything like this. This is what I did when I found out that

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-26 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Jimmy Wu wrote: > I always thought resizing or doing any partition editing carried some > risk of losing data (ie no guarantees), but perhaps ext3 is different. > The "no guarantees" disclaimer goes with pretty much all of the GPL software. The users always have to make backups. No software is 1

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-26 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just as an experiment, I did a sudo hibernate -v3 > hibernate.out, and > it says that it was unable to unload nvidia and aborts hibernation > (see attached file). So I guess pm-hibernate kind of went ahead and > shut down

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-22 Thread Tyler Smith
On 2008-02-22, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Are you aware that you can resize your partitions non destructively using > something like qtparted? First backup all your data before you do anything > like this. This is what I did when I found out that my RAM size is larger > th

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-22 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jimmy Wu wrote: > > >>From what I've read online, I get the general idea that in order to be > > able to hibernate/suspend to disk properly, the swap partition has to > > be big enough to hold all of the RAM insi

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-22 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 1:07 AM, Chris Riley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is High memory support turned on in the kernel? This could explain why > hibernation is working whilst you have 2gig's in the system. > > Processor type and features > -> High Memory Support > I remember seeing suc

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-22 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Jimmy Wu wrote: >>From what I've read online, I get the general idea that in order to be > able to hibernate/suspend to disk properly, the swap partition has to > be big enough to hold all of the RAM inside it, right? > > Is it possible to hibernate if my swap partition is smaller than my > RAM?

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-22 Thread Sudev Barar
On 22/02/2008, Bob Proulx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jimmy Wu wrote: > > From what I've read online, I get the general idea that in order to be > > able to hibernate/suspend to disk properly, the swap partition has to > > be big enough to hold all of the RAM inside it, right? > > > > Is it p

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-21 Thread Bob Proulx
Jimmy Wu wrote: > From what I've read online, I get the general idea that in order to be > able to hibernate/suspend to disk properly, the swap partition has to > be big enough to hold all of the RAM inside it, right? > > Is it possible to hibernate if my swap partition is smaller than my > RAM? I

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-21 Thread Chris Riley
Is High memory support turned on in the kernel? This could explain why hibernation is working whilst you have 2gig's in the system. Processor type and features -> High Memory Support On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:07

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-21 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Jimmy Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [...] > > > Jimmy Wu wrote: > > >>From what I've read online, I get the general idea that in order to be > > > able to hibernate/suspend to disk p

Re: hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-21 Thread Jimmy Wu
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Rich Healey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [...] > Jimmy Wu wrote: > >>From what I've read online, I get the general idea that in order to be > > able to hibernate/suspend to disk properly, the swap partition has to > > be big enough to hold all of the RAM inside i

hibernate and swap partition size (newbie question)

2008-02-21 Thread Jimmy Wu
>From what I've read online, I get the general idea that in order to be able to hibernate/suspend to disk properly, the swap partition has to be big enough to hold all of the RAM inside it, right? Is it possible to hibernate if my swap partition is smaller than my RAM? I have 2 GB of RAM, and whe

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-09 Thread Randy Patterson
On Sunday 08 April 2007 03:06, Michael M. wrote: > On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 16:47 -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > > Thanks for taking to time to post all that information. I have installed > > Gnome, just haven't figured out how to get it going yet! After reading > > your post one of the things that I

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-08 Thread Michael M.
On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 16:47 -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > Thanks for taking to time to post all that information. I have installed > Gnome, just haven't figured out how to get it going yet! After reading your > post one of the things that I think I need to do first is read some good > article

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Randy Patterson
On Saturday 07 April 2007 10:49, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > > The Gnome option doesn't appear under the "Session Type" option. I > > > > assume that I haven't installed all the packages needed for Gnome. > > > > What additional packages do I need? > > > > > > Maybe the gnome-session package? Try t

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Randy Patterson
On Saturday 07 April 2007 14:41, Michael M. wrote: > -- > Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA > "No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under conditions > of absolute reality; even larks and katydids are supposed, by some, to > dream." --S. Jackson Thanks for taking to time to pos

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Michael M.
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 07:29 -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, > > > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse?

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Randy Patterson
On Saturday 07 April 2007 09:11, Michael Pobega wrote: > > As I had stated previously I installed from the > > debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso image. If I take your suggestion, > > which sounds like a good one, when I boot will I be given a choice > > of which system to start or will I have to man

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 09:40:57AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > On Saturday 07 April 2007 09:11, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > As I had stated previously I installed from the > > > debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso image. If I take your suggestion, > >

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 05:33:09PM +0200, Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 11:19 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 09:40:57AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > > > Yes, I did find that and used it now. But, I did an in

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Sat, 2007-04-07 at 11:19 -0400, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Sat, Apr 07, 2007 at 09:40:57AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > > Yes, I did find that and used it now. But, I did an install of the Gnome > > core; > > > > aptitude install gnome-core > > > > The Gnome option doesn't appear under the

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:26:53PM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > On Thursday 05 April 2007 10:46, John L Fjellstad wrote: > > Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I have only had Debian up and going for about two weeks. Had > > > Sarge i

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're better off just installing all three and test them out. I > > think they are pretty feature-equivalent these days. > > As I had stated previously I installed from the > debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso image. If I take your suggestion, > whi

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-07 Thread Andrei Popescu
Joe Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just because distributions default to something doesn't mean that > other things don't work on them. The beauty of Debian is that almost > everything is available in the repositories. You can use whatever you > feel most comfortable with. The only way you w

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-06 Thread Mark Grieveson
> Keep the following packages at their current version: > fam [Not Installed] > Leave the following dependencies unresolved: > libgnomevfs2-0 recommends fam > nautilus recommends fam > Score is -341 > Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] > > I chose not to accept this right now. Do I need to add th

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-06 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 09:05:52 -0400 Michael Pobega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 07:53:01AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > > On Thursday 05 April 2007 08:14, Michael Pobega wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:33:28AM -0

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-06 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 07:53:01AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > On Thursday 05 April 2007 08:14, Michael Pobega wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:33:28AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > > > On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > >

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-06 Thread Randy Patterson
On Thursday 05 April 2007 08:14, Michael Pobega wrote: > On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:33:28AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > > On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > > > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > > > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Dist

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread John L Fjellstad
Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > As I had stated previously I installed from the > debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso image. If I take your suggestion, > which sounds like a good one, when I boot will I be given a choice of > which system to start or will I have to manually close KDE an

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Randy Patterson
On Thursday 05 April 2007 10:46, John L Fjellstad wrote: > Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I have only had Debian up and going for about two weeks. Had Sarge > > installed but had problems with my USB hardware so just did a clean > > install of Etch. Works great!! Since I am a new

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread John L Fjellstad
Randy Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have only had Debian up and going for about two weeks. Had Sarge > installed but had problems with my USB hardware so just did a clean > install of Etch. Works great!! Since I am a new user I don't have a > favorite windowing system that I prefer an

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread John Hasler
Doug writes: > Minimal command line interface: > no monitor, no graphics card, no terminal, just a > dot matrix printer and a keyboard. > Yup, did that once when I _really_ needed to fix > something. You really don't want to get into that competition here.

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Kamaraju S Kusumanchi
Sven Arvidsson wrote: > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 19:09 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: >> . gconf spews all sorts of errors into log files. > > Not true as of 2.18.0.1-2. > Too bad that this is not in Etch. But good to know. thanks raju -- Kamaraju S Kusumanchi http://www.people.cornell.edu

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 19:09 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi wrote: > . gconf spews all sorts of errors into log files. Not true as of 2.18.0.1-2. -- Cheers, Sven Arvidsson http://www.whiz.se PGP Key ID 760BDD22 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Douglas Allan Tutty
On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 01:38:13PM +0200, Joe Hart wrote: > >> Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, > >> RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse? > > > > Because Gnome is superior, of course. :-) > > > Flamebait! Oh now, now we're going to get a flamewar over which

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Mark wrote: [snip] >> As stated previously I am a newbie in the Linux world, but one that seen >> enough to know that there is no going back now! So currently I don't really >> have a loyalty to any of the higher level window systems. I would b

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Michael Pobega
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:33:28AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like U

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Kevin Mark
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:33:28AM -0500, Randy Patterson wrote: > On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like U

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Randy Patterson
Oops! Sorry about that! Kmail gave me an error on the first send so I didn't think it was sent out. On Thursday 05 April 2007 07:33, Randy Patterson wrote: > On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > > > Why Gnome i

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Randy Patterson
On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, > > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse? > > Because Gnome is superior, of course. :-) As stated previou

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Randy Patterson
On Thursday 05 April 2007 06:22, Michael M. wrote: > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, > > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse? > > Because Gnome is superior, of course. :-) As stated previou

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Joe Hart
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michael M. wrote: > On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > >> Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, >> RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse? > > > Because Gnome is superior, of course. :-

Re: Newbie Question - KDE-Gnome-xfce

2007-04-05 Thread Michael M.
On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 20:19 -0400, Javier Enrique Tiá Marín wrote: > Why Gnome is the Default Desktop for Distributions like Ubuntu/Debian, > RedHat/CentOS/Fedora and OpenSuse? Because Gnome is superior, of course. :-) -- Michael M. ++ Portland, OR ++ USA "No live organism can continue for

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