Re: Fwd: lists.debian.org has received bounces from you

2021-11-27 Thread David Wright
On Wed 24 Nov 2021 at 17:27:08 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 November 2021 13:08:19 Nicholas Geovanis wrote:
> > Folks have discussed list bounces like this one in this forum already.
> > I would like to draw the administrators' attention to
> > bendel.debian.org, as shown here. I can't see enough to diagnose it as
> > false positive or problem. Thanks
> 
> The mail server at your ISP is bouncing it, call tech and have them 
> whitelist bendel.debian.org.

I wouldn't have thought there was any use talking to your ISP about
posts arriving at gmail.com, or any other external mail host.

> That doesn't mean they don't send spam, cuz they do occasionally, but at 
> least it won't send you threatening msgs to ignore. You'll then get the 
> spam but spamassassin can handle that.

If it's really coming from the list (rather than being sent directly
to your harvested email address), then it should appear on the web at
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/recent
where you can click on the 'Report as spam' link. I presume this is
the most convenient (ie automated) way for Debian to receive reports.

I don't see much threat in:

> > 1 bounce out of 149 mails in 7 days (0%, kick-score is 80%)

> > However: You can safely ignore this message (and you will not be
> > unsubscribed :-) ) if your bounce rate remains low.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Debian 11 on old Macbook

2021-11-27 Thread Ken Cunningham
Well if MacOSX is no longer booting immediately, then it appears installing
rEFInd solved your initial problem, so that is good.

rEFInd is quite configurable via refind.conf, but you may find it is
simpler to just ignore the Windows icon rather than try to force it not to
appear. The hairy details are here:

https://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/configfile.html

And rEFInd has it's own mailing list for more user help here:

https://sourceforge.net/p/refind/discussion/general/

K



On Saturday, November 27, 2021,  wrote:

> Hello,
> thanks for the help and suggestions:
> I don't need to press alt (option) to view the operating systems because I
> have rEFInd installed.
> However, 2 Debian icons appear, one OS X, and one Windows.
> If I click on the latter, a white writing on a black background appears
> with: MBR 12: and a flashing underscore.
> But I can't write anything.
> The Debian 2 takes me to Debian and OS X to the Apple operating system.
> Assuming I keep the 2 Debian, how do I get rid of the Windows symbol, since
> it doesn't lead anywhere, so it results useless?
> Thanks again
> Francesco
>


Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 23:41:37 +0100
Linux-Fan  wrote:

> Nate Bargmann writes:
> 
> > * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote:
> > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 +
> > > Jonathan Dowland  wrote:
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > >   Jonathan Dowland
> > > > ✎j...@debian.org
> > > >    https://jmtd.net
> > >
> > > I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig,
> > > so I looked up their Unicode codepoints:
> >
> > Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in
> > Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal.  My font is one
> > installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero
> > character with a slash.
> >
> > I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E
> > then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs.
> >
> > 
> >
> > - Nate
> 
> I use the cone e-mail client in rxvt-unicode with the Terminus bitmap font  
> and I see only the icon next to `j...@debian.org`. Apart from that, the  

Yes, that one seems to be included in "normal" system fonts - I, too,
saw it before I installed the noto fonts.

> first line of the signature has two squares, the third line one and the post  

The two squares is apparently because the "person with blond hair" has
a "light skin tone" modifier:

https://emojipedia.org/person-light-skin-tone-blond-hair/

> by Nate has a single square, too.
> 
> I can view the glyphs correctly by saving the mail as text file and opening  
> it with mousepad. `aptitude search ~inoto` returns the following here:
> 
> | idA fonts-noto-color-emoji- color emoji font from Google
> | i A fonts-noto-core   - "No Tofu" font families with large
> | i A fonts-noto-extra  - "No Tofu" font families with large
> | i A fonts-noto-mono   - "No Tofu" monospaced font family wi
> | i A fonts-noto-ui-core

Okay, so when mousepad is showing the glyphs, it's presumably using the
noto fonts.

> I am pretty fine with _not_ seeing the correct glyphs by default given that  
> I do not want fancy colorful icons in my terminals anyway :)

:/

Celejar



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 07:22:45 -0600
John Hasler  wrote:

> Celejar writes:
> > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
> > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
> > installed, or do they see tofu?
> 
> I use Gnus.  I've never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other
> fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu.

What does

$ fc-list | grep noto

return?

Celejar



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:00:35 -0600
John Hasler  wrote:

> Celejar writes:
> > What does fc-list | grep noto return?
> 
> 272 lines.

Sorry - see my other message in this thread. So you clearly have the
Noto fonts installed. They're not essential packages, so something you
installed must have brought them in, if you didn't do so manually.

> (No need to cc me)

Sorry, Sylpheed's reply-to-list puts your email address in the CC field
- perhaps because you set an explicit reply-to header? I'll take it out
in the future.

Celejar



Re: Apt pinning.

2021-11-27 Thread Tim Woodall

On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:


Tim Woodall wrote:

Can anyone tell me exactly what this Pin line I have actually does - or
even better point me to a webpage that has more than "if you want to do
this use this" type of example?

(FTAOD I know that this isn't right and is inconsistent but before I
start changing it I want to really understand what it's currently doing)

I have a local repository:

Codename: buster
Components: main
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:42:12 +
Description: Debs for local installing
Label: local debs
Origin: local debs
Suite: oldstable

And I have a pin (which I've failed to update since bullseye became
stable hence the a=stable)

Package: *
Pin: release o=local debs,a=stable,n=buster,l=local debs,c=main,b=amd64
Pin-Priority: 900


man apt_preferences  # go ahead and read it, it's well-organized



Many thanks. I think I've been lucky and stumbled into something that
worked for me but isn't very robust.

I've never set a default release, I've never added (except for sources)
sources.list entries other than for things I've wanted installed. So the
900 worked.

Need to think about whether I want to change that - I cannot immediately
see how it improves things for me but it might make sense to change if
that's what everybody else does. It will undoubtedly cause me
head-scratching when I upgrade to Trixy and it doesn't work...



I'm trying to solve a (minor) problem I'm having during upgrades from
buster to bullseye where I've backported make from bullseye to buster.
So on my buster systems I have:
make/oldstable,now 4.3-4.1+tjw10r1 amd64 [installed]

while once I've upgraded to bullseye I want to "downgrade" from my
backported package to make 4.3-4.1 and then continue to track bullseye.


You will need a priority over 1000.

I don't recommend this, but you get to keep all the pieces.



Yes, I don't think I can do this with a generic pin. Maybe pinning
origin "" to -100 might work - not sure if that will uninstall or
downgrade (I'll experiment). I think adding explicit pins to my
'bullseye-local-sources' package for these packages I want to downgrade
might be my only option. For the two packages I have that I want to
downgrade during the update to bullseye it's easy enough to manually fix
and I haven't yet had to backport anything to bullseye that won't keep a
patched version during the upgrade to Trixy.

Thanks for the pointers.

Tim.



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread John Hasler
Do you have the "fonts-recommended" package installed?
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA



Re: Apt pinning.

2021-11-27 Thread David Wright
On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 19:07:14 (+), Tim Woodall wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Tim Woodall wrote:
> > > Can anyone tell me exactly what this Pin line I have actually does - or
> > > even better point me to a webpage that has more than "if you want to do
> > > this use this" type of example?
> > > 
> > > (FTAOD I know that this isn't right and is inconsistent but before I
> > > start changing it I want to really understand what it's currently doing)
> > > 
> > > I have a local repository:
> > > 
> > > Codename: buster
> > > Components: main
> > > Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:42:12 +
> > > Description: Debs for local installing
> > > Label: local debs
> > > Origin: local debs
> > > Suite: oldstable
> > > 
> > > And I have a pin (which I've failed to update since bullseye became
> > > stable hence the a=stable)
> > > 
> > > Package: *
> > > Pin: release o=local debs,a=stable,n=buster,l=local debs,c=main,b=amd64
> > > Pin-Priority: 900
> > 
> > man apt_preferences  # go ahead and read it, it's well-organized
> > 
> 
> Many thanks. I think I've been lucky and stumbled into something that
> worked for me but isn't very robust.
> 
> I've never set a default release, I've never added (except for sources)
> sources.list entries other than for things I've wanted installed. So the
> 900 worked.
> 
> Need to think about whether I want to change that - I cannot immediately
> see how it improves things for me but it might make sense to change if
> that's what everybody else does. It will undoubtedly cause me
> head-scratching when I upgrade to Trixy and it doesn't work...
> 
> 
> > > I'm trying to solve a (minor) problem I'm having during upgrades from
> > > buster to bullseye where I've backported make from bullseye to buster.
> > > So on my buster systems I have:
> > > make/oldstable,now 4.3-4.1+tjw10r1 amd64 [installed]
> > > 
> > > while once I've upgraded to bullseye I want to "downgrade" from my
> > > backported package to make 4.3-4.1 and then continue to track bullseye.
> > 
> > You will need a priority over 1000.
> > 
> > I don't recommend this, but you get to keep all the pieces.
> > 
> 
> Yes, I don't think I can do this with a generic pin. Maybe pinning
> origin "" to -100 might work - not sure if that will uninstall or
> downgrade (I'll experiment). I think adding explicit pins to my
> 'bullseye-local-sources' package for these packages I want to downgrade
> might be my only option. For the two packages I have that I want to
> downgrade during the update to bullseye it's easy enough to manually fix
> and I haven't yet had to backport anything to bullseye that won't keep a
> patched version during the upgrade to Trixy.
> 
> Thanks for the pointers.

The obvious way to do this would seem to be using an epoch,
like 5:, to give your package priority over newer versions.
This is standard practice for self-compiled kernels, because
newer versions are being released all the time.

Should you chance upon https://wiki.debian.org/Teams/Dpkg/FAQ,
note that those exhortations apply to packages being placed
into shared repositories, not to personal usage like yours.

> > > When debian went from v2.2 potato to v3 woody, would this pin stop
> > > working? Because woody would be stable and potato oldstable at that
> > > point.

Epochs are unaffected by any such considerations: they override the
whole versioning system. BTW I can't recall seeing an official Debian
epoch as high as 2: though someone will probably correct me.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread David Wright
On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 07:22:45 (-0600), John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
> > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
> > installed, or do they see tofu?
> 
> I use Gnus.  I've never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other
> fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu.

Questions like this remind me how little I understand font handling.
I read mail in mutt in xterm in fvwm in X, currently in buster, and
I see four glyphs. If I save the email in a file, then I see the
same glyphs in less etc. The font that I'm using in the xterm is
fonts-hack/fonts-hack-otf/fonts-hack-ttf/fonts-hack-web, whichever
of those is pulled in by   xterm -fa hack -fs 16 ….

If I type  xfd -fa hack, I can only display as far as 0x00feff,
which is far short of all but LOWER RIGHT PENCIL, and even that
glyph is displayed in xfd as an empty box. So it would appear
that something is performing font substitution in the xterm.
Hack is a pretty sparsely populated font AIUI.

A windowed   emacs -fn terminus-18   displays the pencil, and
replaces the others by boxes containing the appropriate hex
codes, 01f471, 01f3fb, and 01f517.

xfd -fn terminus-18   displays the pencil's glyph as ? (and
doesn't display a sufficient range to reach the others).

Running less in   xterm -fn terminus-18, I get a single-width
blank space for the pencil, and double-width ? for the others.

In case it matters, /etc/default/console-setup contains
  CHARMAP="UTF-8"
  CODESET="Uni2"
  FONTFACE="Terminus"
  FONTSIZE="16x32"

A VC displays solid diamonds for all of them.

I do have some noto packages installed (fonts-noto-hinted pulls
in fonts-noto-core, fonts-noto-mono and fonts-noto-ui-core in
buster), but don't know what's in them. When I use xfd on them,
it always displays DejaVu instead, and   fc-list noto
returns nothing. (fonts-recommended is new in bullseye.)

I wrote /four/ glyphs, but it sounds as if Celejar sees three,
the first one being coloured with some sort of skin tone. My
second glyph, , is a half-tone box with three lines of dots
inside, of 3, 4 and 3 dots.

Cheers,
David.



Re: Apt pinning.

2021-11-27 Thread Tim Woodall

On Sat, 27 Nov 2021, David Wright wrote:


On Sat 27 Nov 2021 at 19:07:14 (+), Tim Woodall wrote:


Yes, I don't think I can do this with a generic pin. Maybe pinning
origin "" to -100 might work - not sure if that will uninstall or
downgrade (I'll experiment). I think adding explicit pins to my
'bullseye-local-sources' package for these packages I want to downgrade
might be my only option. For the two packages I have that I want to
downgrade during the update to bullseye it's easy enough to manually fix
and I haven't yet had to backport anything to bullseye that won't keep a
patched version during the upgrade to Trixy.

Thanks for the pointers.


The obvious way to do this would seem to be using an epoch,
like 5:, to give your package priority over newer versions.
This is standard practice for self-compiled kernels, because
newer versions are being released all the time.



I can see how epochs work when you never want to return to mainline - my
squid packages would be an example (unless debian decides to adopt my
configuration options) but they'd make less sense for things like make
and dump where I've backported and want to return to mainline once the
new version goes to stable.

My system for tracking the upstream version and patching it is
semi-automatic (unless any patch fails to apply) and I think trying to
bump epochs would add another place where the automatic process would
fail.

I do use debmultimedia.org and I find the epoch bump annoying because I
can't, for example, drop dmo during the upgrade from buster to bullseye
and (mostly) have it disappear. IIRC I added dmo years ago for mp3
codecs - it's not needed any more but it's got it's tendrils everywhere
and removing it safely and cleanly is unnecessarily hard.

Kernels are a bit of a special case as they don't 'infect' other
packages. Even my dump was holding libreadline7 from buster.

I suppose what I really want is a 'minus epsilon' flag to dch which will
generate a changelog that had a version that tests lower than the
current version but higher than all versions that test lower than the
current version.

But I cannot see such a patch being accepted, however it is implemented,
and dealing with this once every two years problem of mine is going to
be less effort than maintaining a patched version of devscripts locally
(and dpkg and whomever else compares versions)

The following pin rule appears to fix my problem - I'm not sure yet if
it's wise...

Package: make dump
Pin: release n=bullseye
Pin-Priority: 1001


Tim



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:50:29 -0600
Nate Bargmann  wrote:

> * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 +
> > Jonathan Dowland  wrote:
> > 
> > ...
> > 
> > > Jonathan Dowland
> > > ✎  j...@debian.org
> > >  https://jmtd.net
> > 
> > I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig,
> > so I looked up their Unicode codepoints:
> 
> Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in
> Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal.  My font is one
> installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero
> character with a slash.
> 
> I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E
> then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs.
> 
> 

I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in
question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts
installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when
you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show? If you
have the noto fonts installed, try uninstalling them and then see if
your system can still display the glyphs.

Celejar



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread John Hasler
Celejar writes:
> What does fc-list | grep noto return?

272 lines.

(No need to cc me)
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA



Re: Impossible to give "write" permission on a sub folder

2021-11-27 Thread Chuck Zmudzinski

Read the ntfs-3 man page.

Take a look at the man page for ntfs-3g, the section on
Access Handling and Security:

From the ntfs-3g man page:

   Access Handling and Security
   By default, files and directories are owned by the effective 
user and group of the mounting process,  and  ev‐
   erybody  has  full read, write, execution and directory browsing 
permissions.  You can also assign permissions
   to a single user by using the uid and/or the gid options 
together with the umask, or fmask and dmask options.


   Doing so, Windows users have full access to the files created by 
ntfs-3g.


   But, by setting the permissions option, you can benefit from the 
full ownership and  permissions  features  as
   defined  by  POSIX.  Moreover, by defining a Windows-to-Linux 
user mapping, the ownerships and permissions are

   even applied to Windows users and conversely.

   If ntfs-3g is set setuid-root then non-root users will be also 
able to mount volumes.



You use the defaults option when mounting. I do not know how that
affects access and security for ntfs-3g. I would suggest either using
uid and gid options when mounting instead, or using the
usermapping file that maps Windows users to Debian users.

You need to check which user under Windows owns those folders, which Windows
users have write access to those folders, etc.

As mentioned in the man page, there is a way to map Windows users to
Debian 11 users using the default .NTFS-3G/UserMapping file or a
custom usermapping file with the usermapping mount option.

I used this feature a long time ago, and the format for the usermapping
file is documented in the ntfs-3g man page.

As is said at the beginning of this reply, read the ntfs-3g man page!

HTH,

Chuck

On 11/26/2021 3:29 AM, lists.deb...@netc.eu wrote:

Hello to all,
I have a dual boot PC with Windows 10 and Debian 11
This PC has 2 drives, one SSD that has both operating systems and a 
HDD where I store all other files (documents, music, images, ...)
The goal is to share this HDD between Windows and Debian. To do it, I 
added the following line to the fstab file:


UUID=ACB23705B236D414 /mnt/windows  ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000  
 0   0

the folders lount without any problem to /mnt/windows, all with the 
correct permission settings (rwx) :


$ ls -l /mnt/windows/
total 80
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 14 nov. 20:20 '$RECYCLE.BIN'
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 24 nov. 15:59 CloudStation
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 21 nov. 11:44 Documents
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8192 25 juin 08:15 DumpStack.log.tmp
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 22 nov. 20:41 Images
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 24 nov. 11:53 Music
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8192 23 nov. 06:21 'System Volume Information'
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40960 21 nov. 22:22 Downloads
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 21 nov. 19:44 Videos

My problem is that in some sub folders, I'm not getting the write 
("w") permission. For example on the "Documents" one:


$ ls -l /mnt/windows/Documents/
total 117
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16384 24 nov. 15:59 User1
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 26 nov. 2020 Default.rdp
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 432 11 mars 2021 desktop.ini
dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 40960 24 nov. 15:59 User2
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16384 24 nov. 16:00 Public
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 24 nov. 15:59 User3
dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 20480 21 nov. 12:05 Scan
-rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18432 4 déc. 2016 Thumbs.db
drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 16 nov. 23:13 'Unified Remote'

Most of the folders are OK, but I ave User2 and San that doesn't have 
the write ("w") permission...

Do you have any idea on whats going on?
Thanks in advance for all the help,
Berst regards,
Marc




Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Linux-Fan

Nate Bargmann writes:


* On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:43:16 +
> Jonathan Dowland  wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > Jonathan Dowland
> > ✎  j...@debian.org
> >  https://jmtd.net
>
> I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig,
> so I looked up their Unicode codepoints:

Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in
Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal.  My font is one
installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero
character with a slash.

I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E
then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs.



- Nate


I use the cone e-mail client in rxvt-unicode with the Terminus bitmap font  
and I see only the icon next to `j...@debian.org`. Apart from that, the  
first line of the signature has two squares, the third line one and the post  
by Nate has a single square, too.


I can view the glyphs correctly by saving the mail as text file and opening  
it with mousepad. `aptitude search ~inoto` returns the following here:


| idA fonts-noto-color-emoji- color emoji font from Google
| i A fonts-noto-core   - "No Tofu" font families with large
| i A fonts-noto-extra  - "No Tofu" font families with large
| i A fonts-noto-mono   - "No Tofu" monospaced font family wi
| i A fonts-noto-ui-core

I am pretty fine with _not_ seeing the correct glyphs by default given that  
I do not want fancy colorful icons in my terminals anyway :)


YMMV
Linux-Fan

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Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 01:32:51 +0100
Michael Lange  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 12:36:04 -0500
> Celejar  wrote:
> 
> (...)
> > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
> > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
> > installed, or do they see tofu?
> 
> no idea what "most users" do; I am actually using sylpheed too, and I too
> have these "emoji fonts" installed. Makes life easier sometimes, when
> people use emoijis as a means of communication and just assume that you
> are able to have them displayed.

Makes sense. And my emails are now certainly more colorful ;)

> Have a nice day :-)

Celejar



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 12:29:33 +0100
"Sijmen J. Mulder"  wrote:

> Celejar :
> > I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
> > software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
> > installed, or do they see tofu?
> 
> I too use Sylpheed and get tofu. I must have mistakenly assumed emoji
> fonts would be installed by default hence this being a Sylpheed
> limitation. Thanks for enlightening!

:)

> Same issue with Sylpheed on Windows by the way, wonder if the same
> solution would work...

You can report back once you try it ;)

> Sijmen

Celejar



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread The Wanderer
On 2021-11-27 at 21:08, Celejar wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:50:29 -0600
> Nate Bargmann  wrote:
> 
>> * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote:

>>> I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig,
>>> so I looked up their Unicode codepoints:
>> 
>> Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in
>> Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal.  My font is one
>> installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero
>> character with a slash.
>> 
>> I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E
>> then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs.
>> 
>> 
> 
> I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in
> question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts
> installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when
> you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show?

If my own system is any guide, that may be an overly broad sort of
question.

$ fc-list | wc -l
   2479
$ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l
   1847
$ fc-list | grep -v noto | wc -l
632

Asking for the output of something that produces potentially thousands
of lines may be slightly ill-advised (although asking the user to check
that output and report back might be another story, and now that I look
back it's not entirely clear which of the two you were intending).

The above is with the following installed package set:

dpkg -l "fonts-noto*" | grep ^ii
ii  fonts-noto-core 20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" font
families with large Unicode coverage (core)
ii  fonts-noto-extra20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" font
families with large Unicode coverage (extra)
ii  fonts-noto-mono 20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" monospaced
font family with large Unicode coverage
ii  fonts-noto-ui-core  20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" font
families with large Unicode coverage (UI core)

I don't think I was aware that there are color versions, and I certainly
don't think I'd want them.

(FWIW, with this set installed, I see actual glyphs rather than the
"tofu' for each of the four in Jonathan Dowland's .sig - although I
can't actually quite tell what the second one is, even at full
enlargement.)

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libopencv4.5d-jni_4.5.4+dfsg-7_amd64.deb - broken?

2021-11-27 Thread harryweaver


Just updating a SID deswktop and getting:

`Preparing to unpack .../libopencv4.5d-jni_4.5.4+dfsg-7_amd64.deb ... 
Unpacking libopencv4.5d-jni (4.5.4+dfsg-7) ...
dpkg: error processing archive 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libopencv4.5d-jni_4.5.4+dfsg-7_amd64.deb (--unpack):
trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/jni/libopencv_java454.so', which is also in 
package libopencv4.5-jni 4.5.4+dfsg-1
dpkg-deb: error: paste subprocess was killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
/var/cache/apt/archives/libopencv4.5d-jni_4.5.4+dfsg-7_amd64.deb'

Before getting in any deeper, I was wondering if anybody else was experiencing 
similar.
No bug appears to be reported so this could well be machine specific.
Cheers!

Harry.-- 
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Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Celejar
On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 21:28:05 -0500
The Wanderer  wrote:

> On 2021-11-27 at 21:08, Celejar wrote:
> 
> > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:50:29 -0600
> > Nate Bargmann  wrote:
> > 
> >> * On 2021 26 Nov 11:36 -0600, Celejar wrote:
> 
> >>> I finally got tired of seeing tofu for some of the glyphs in your sig,
> >>> so I looked up their Unicode codepoints:
> >> 
> >> Interestingly, I see the glyphs in Mutt running in Gnome Terminal and in
> >> Vim as I edit this in the same Gnome Terminal.  My font is one
> >> installed locally, Droid Sans Mono Slashed which provides the zero
> >> character with a slash.
> >> 
> >> I know that there is keyboard sequence in Gnome Terminal (Ctl-Shift-E
> >> then Space) to bring up a menu to select Unicode glyphs.
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
> > I'm pretty sure Droid Sans Mono Slashed doesn't have the glyphs in
> > question, and that you must actually have the noto or similar fonts
> > installed, with some part of the Gnome infrastructure finding them when
> > you select the glyphs. What does "fc-list | grep noto" show?
> 
> If my own system is any guide, that may be an overly broad sort of
> question.
> 
> $ fc-list | wc -l
>2479

Well, I didn't ask for that one.

> $ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l
>1847

Huh. Our systems must be very different:

~$ fc-list | grep noto | wc -l
1

~$ fc-list | grep noto
/usr/share/fonts/truetype/noto/NotoColorEmoji.ttf: Noto Color 
Emoji:style=Regular

> $ fc-list | grep -v noto | wc -l
> 632
> 
> Asking for the output of something that produces potentially thousands
> of lines may be slightly ill-advised (although asking the user to check
> that output and report back might be another story, and now that I look
> back it's not entirely clear which of the two you were intending).

I confess that it simply didn't occur to me that some systems would be
so different from mine. I concede that that may have been a naive
assumption ;)

> The above is with the following installed package set:
> 
> dpkg -l "fonts-noto*" | grep ^ii
> ii  fonts-noto-core 20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" font
> families with large Unicode coverage (core)
> ii  fonts-noto-extra20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" font
> families with large Unicode coverage (extra)
> ii  fonts-noto-mono 20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" monospaced
> font family with large Unicode coverage
> ii  fonts-noto-ui-core  20201225-1   all  "No Tofu" font
> families with large Unicode coverage (UI core)
> 
> I don't think I was aware that there are color versions, and I certainly
> don't think I'd want them.
> 
> (FWIW, with this set installed, I see actual glyphs rather than the
> "tofu' for each of the four in Jonathan Dowland's .sig - although I
> can't actually quite tell what the second one is, even at full
> enlargement.)

Celejar



Re: Apt pinning.

2021-11-27 Thread Dan Ritter
Tim Woodall wrote: 
> Can anyone tell me exactly what this Pin line I have actually does - or
> even better point me to a webpage that has more than "if you want to do
> this use this" type of example?
> 
> (FTAOD I know that this isn't right and is inconsistent but before I
> start changing it I want to really understand what it's currently doing)
> 
> I have a local repository:
> 
> Codename: buster
> Components: main
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:42:12 +
> Description: Debs for local installing
> Label: local debs
> Origin: local debs
> Suite: oldstable
> 
> And I have a pin (which I've failed to update since bullseye became
> stable hence the a=stable)
> 
> Package: *
> Pin: release o=local debs,a=stable,n=buster,l=local debs,c=main,b=amd64
> Pin-Priority: 900

man apt_preferences  # go ahead and read it, it's well-organized

   P >= 1000
   causes a version to be installed even if this
constitutes a downgrade of the package

   990 <= P < 1000
   causes a version to be installed even if it does not
come from the target release, unless the installed version is
more recent

   500 <= P < 990
   causes a version to be installed unless there is a
version available belonging to the target release or the
installed version is more recent

   100 <= P < 500
   causes a version to be installed unless there is a
version available belonging to some other distribution or the
installed version is more
   recent

   0 < P < 100
   causes a version to be installed only if there is no
installed version of the package

   P < 0
   prevents the version from being installed

> What I want this to do is hold any package in my local repository even
> if a newer version is present in debian. My local repository has patched
> packages for various reasons - e.g.
> linphone/oldstable,now 3.12.0-3+tjw10r1 amd64 [installed]

Then 990...1000 is what you want.


> I don't even know whether the options on that Pin line are AND or ORed
> together. The example on the webpage has:
> 
>  Package: *
>  Pin: release v=2.2*,a=stable,c=main,o=Debian,l=Debian
>  Pin-Priority: 1001
> 
> When debian went from v2.2 potato to v3 woody, would this pin stop
> working? Because woody would be stable and potato oldstable at that
> point.

All the conditions must match. However, "stable" changes,
whereas "woody" does not".

> I'm trying to solve a (minor) problem I'm having during upgrades from
> buster to bullseye where I've backported make from bullseye to buster.
> So on my buster systems I have:
> make/oldstable,now 4.3-4.1+tjw10r1 amd64 [installed]
> 
> while once I've upgraded to bullseye I want to "downgrade" from my
> backported package to make 4.3-4.1 and then continue to track bullseye.

You will need a priority over 1000.

I don't recommend this, but you get to keep all the pieces.


-dsr-



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread John Hasler
Celejar writes:
> I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
> software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
> installed, or do they see tofu?

I use Gnus.  I've never manually installed any emoji fonts (or any other
fonts) but I see the glyphs, not the tofu.
-- 
John Hasler 
j...@sugarbit.com
Elmwood, WI USA



Désabonnement

2021-11-27 Thread Frédéric Mazel
Bonjour

Pourriez-vous me désabonner de la liste.

Cordialement

F.Mazel



Re: Désabonnement

2021-11-27 Thread Jean-Marc

Bonjour Frédéric,

Le 27/11/21 à 10:56, Frédéric Mazel a écrit :

Bonjour

Pourriez-vous me désabonner de la liste.


Il suffit d'indiquer ton adresse mail et d'utiliser le bouton 
"Unsubscribe" dans ce formulaire :


https://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-french/


Cordialement

F.Mazel


--
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Debian 11 on old Macbook

2021-11-27 Thread frantal
Hello,
thanks for the help and suggestions:
I don't need to press alt (option) to view the operating systems because I have 
rEFInd installed.
However, 2 Debian icons appear, one OS X, and one Windows.
If I click on the latter, a white writing on a black background appears with: 
MBR 12: and a flashing underscore.
But I can't write anything.
The Debian 2 takes me to Debian and OS X to the Apple operating system. 
Assuming I keep the 2 Debian, how do I get rid of the Windows symbol, since it 
doesn't lead anywhere, so it results useless?
Thanks again
Francesco

Apt pinning.

2021-11-27 Thread Tim Woodall

Can anyone tell me exactly what this Pin line I have actually does - or
even better point me to a webpage that has more than "if you want to do
this use this" type of example?

(FTAOD I know that this isn't right and is inconsistent but before I
start changing it I want to really understand what it's currently doing)

I have a local repository:

Codename: buster
Components: main
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 19:42:12 +
Description: Debs for local installing
Label: local debs
Origin: local debs
Suite: oldstable

And I have a pin (which I've failed to update since bullseye became
stable hence the a=stable)

Package: *
Pin: release o=local debs,a=stable,n=buster,l=local debs,c=main,b=amd64
Pin-Priority: 900


What I want this to do is hold any package in my local repository even
if a newer version is present in debian. My local repository has patched
packages for various reasons - e.g.
linphone/oldstable,now 3.12.0-3+tjw10r1 amd64 [installed]

linphonec in buster has a bug that causes a core on answering a call.
I've applied the patch locally. Were a new buster build to happen
(unlikely now but not impossible if there's a serious security issue
found) I'd want my local version to stay until I patch the new version.

This pin has worked successfully for me throughout buster's lifetime -
however when looking at it now to correct that a=stable I noticed that
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html suggests
that I should be pinning at 990, not 900.

Also, I don't know if this pin is working with a=stable or it's actually
not doing anything useful any more. I cannot find anything that tells me
how the Pin: line actually matches.


I don't even know whether the options on that Pin line are AND or ORed
together. The example on the webpage has:

 Package: *
 Pin: release v=2.2*,a=stable,c=main,o=Debian,l=Debian
 Pin-Priority: 1001

When debian went from v2.2 potato to v3 woody, would this pin stop
working? Because woody would be stable and potato oldstable at that
point.


I'm trying to solve a (minor) problem I'm having during upgrades from
buster to bullseye where I've backported make from bullseye to buster.
So on my buster systems I have:
make/oldstable,now 4.3-4.1+tjw10r1 amd64 [installed]

while once I've upgraded to bullseye I want to "downgrade" from my
backported package to make 4.3-4.1 and then continue to track bullseye.
I'm trying to work out what Pin line I want (ideally generic rather than
package specific - dump has exactly the same feature) but at the same
time I do not want my buster systems to install squid 4.6-1+deb10u7
(should it ever be created) over my patched 4.6-1+deb10u6+tjw10r1 but
instead hold my patched package until I patch deb10u7.

(ditto bullseye where I have squid/stable,now 4.13-10+tjw11r1)

For now I just manually apt-get install make=4.3-4.1 to fix it. But if
make built on buster had failed to work on bullseye then my package
could have made a mess of the upgrade if any packages are using make
during configuation.


Tim.



Re: Impossible to give "write" permission on a sub folder

2021-11-27 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 07:30:32PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 26 Nov 2021 at 09:29:50 +0100, lists.deb...@netc.eu wrote:
> 
Hello to all, I have a dual boot PC with Windows 10 and Debian 11 
This PC has 2 drives, one SSD that has both operating systems and a HDD 
where I store all other files (documents, music, images, ...) 
The goal is to share this HDD between Windows and Debian. 
To do it, I added the following line to the fstab file: 
 
UUID=ACB23705B236D414 /mnt/windows ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0 
 
the folders lount without any problem to /mnt/windows, all with the 
correct permission settings (rwx) : 

 $ ls -l /mnt/windows/ > > total 80 > > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 14 nov. 
20:20 '$RECYCLE.BIN' 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 24 nov. 15:59 CloudStation 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 21 nov. 11:44 Documents > > -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 
8192 25 juin 08:15 DumpStack.log.tmp 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 22 nov. 20:41 Images > > drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 
4096 24 nov. 11:53 Music 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8192 23 nov. 06:21 'System Volume Information' 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40960 21 nov. 22:22 Downloads 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 21 nov. 19:44 Videos 
 
My problem is that in some sub folders, I'm not getting the write ("w") 
permission. For example on the "Documents" one: 

 $ ls -l /mnt/windows/Documents/ 
 total 117 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16384 24 nov. 15:59 User1 
 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 26 nov. 2020 Default.rdp 
 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 432 11 mars 2021 desktop.ini 
 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 40960 24 nov. 15:59 User2 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16384 24 nov. 16:00 Public 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4096 24 nov. 15:59 User3 
 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 20480 21 nov. 12:05 Scan 
 -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18432 4 déc. 2016 Thumbs.db 
 drwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 16 nov. 23:13 'Unified Remote' 
 
Most of the folders are OK, but I ave User2 and San that doesn't have the 
write ("w") permission... 

Do you have any idea on whats going on? 
Thanks in advance for all the help, 

Berst regards, Marc
> 
> lists.deb...@netc.eu - how do you manage to produce something as
> completely undecipherable as what is is above? Please up your game.
> 
> -- 
> Brian.
> 

Reformatted minus a lot of the HTML to the best of my ability - hope this
helps the list.

Andy C



Re: subject

2021-11-27 Thread Thomas Amm
On Fri, 2021-11-26 at 19:16 +, zainalabd...@softkhana.com wrote:
> This is the body

That just what THEY want us to think. 



Re: Emoji fonts in Debian [WAS:] Re: How to NOT automatically mount a specific partition of an external device?

2021-11-27 Thread Sijmen J. Mulder
Celejar :
> I'm curious: do most users of Debian on the desktop (who use MUA
> software, as opposed to webmail via a browser) have such a font
> installed, or do they see tofu?

I too use Sylpheed and get tofu. I must have mistakenly assumed emoji
fonts would be installed by default hence this being a Sylpheed
limitation. Thanks for enlightening!

Same issue with Sylpheed on Windows by the way, wonder if the same
solution would work...

Sijmen