Serial communications question
Steve == Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve I'm having a problem with my modem. Using chat+pppd to dial Steve out, I can connect, but not negotiate ppp. Sometimes I can Steve negotiate ppp, but the connection is very slow. However, if Steve I first run Minicom and quit without reset, chat+pppd works Steve quite well and the connection is fast. I have 'setserial /dev/ttyS1 spd_vhi' in my /etc/rc.boot/(whatever-serial) script, and in the diald.options file, have 'speed 115200'. It is faster now than when I had 'speed 38400' there. I had thought that setting the 'spd_vhi' flag with setserial made '38400' max the interface, but it turns out that '115200' makes it faster. -- Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. Actually, Minix has VC's now :-) -- He. He. He. - - Herman Toothrot -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How come no Aladdin ghostscript?
Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better fonts/features? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free space on Linux Drive
John, you wrote: I think this a simple enough question, but even my Unix teacher can't answer it. I just installed Debian on my 586 Windoze machine, with a 200mb partition. The first time I installed it on 100 megs but I ran out of room. My question is how can I check how much space is left on my Linux partition. I DOS, I can use chkdsk, is there a similiar function in Linux? Now, that's some Unix teacher :-) Try 'df' (Disk Free)... it should give you the information you need. For other options for 'df' see the manual page 'man df'. -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache 1.1.1-9
I just tried to install the aforementioned version of Apache I found in /bo, but it does not copy a file called /etc/apache/srm.conf Apparently this file is important, because the server cannot start. It tried to open it and fopen fails, then the service start fails. Is there a newer version than this available, or a fix, perhaps? TIA for any help :) Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X windows
I am running X using xdm. Is there a more elegent way to go to the full screen consoles than kill xdm. When I try to exit fvwm, on the middle button menu, it kills all my windows and restarts X with a new login prompt. Yes... you can do ALT-CTRL-F1..F6 to get to Virtual Consoles 1-6, and then do ALT-F7 from your Virtual Console, to return to your X Window. neat, heh? Takes a second or two, while it's making the change... but it works fine. The ALT-F7 is the number of the first FREE virtual console, so if your system has more than 6 Virtual Consoles set up for login, then the number would be the next one after that. hope that makes sense... -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd Graham Lewis wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. Wrong again :) The features you describe (collectively job control) have been in csh ksh since Adam was a boy (well almost :)) Stephen --- Normality is a statistical illusion. -- me -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Meta-key not working in Emacs after installing Xfree 3.2
I had a little trouble after installing the new xbase. After reconfiguring X11 I could use my computer again. But now the Alt-chr combination does not work anymore in Emacs. Can anybody help me to correct that please? Here is the relevant section from my XF86Config-file. # ** # Keyboard section # ** Section Keyboard ProtocolStandard # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line #Protocol Xqueue AutoRepeat 500 5 # Let the server do the NumLock processing. This should only be required # when using pre-R6 clients #ServerNumLock # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) #Xleds 1 2 3 # To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, # RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: LeftAlt Meta RightAltModeShift RightCtlCompose ScrollLock ModeLock # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. #XkbDisable # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: #XkbModelpc102 # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: #XkbModelmicrosoft # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: #XkbLayout de # or: #XkbLayout de #XkbVariant nodeadkeys # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: #XkbOptions ctrl:swapcaps # These are the default XKB settings for XFree86 #XkbRulesxfree86 #XkbModelpc101 #XkbLayout us #XkbVariant #XkbOptions XkbKeymap xfree86(us) EndSection == Thanks. Johann Spies -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serial communications question
On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: No, you should be using /dev/ttyS1. Use of the cua devices is deprecated, and pppd's case, it can cause problems. My system is still configured as /dev/cuax. Should I change it to /dev/ttySx? Is so, how should I do it? I have seen a 0setserial script in /etc/rc.boot. Can I reconfigure my system by changing all the cuax-references there? Johann Johann Spies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windsorlaan 19 Pietermaritzburg 3201 Suid Afrika (South Africa) Tel. Nr. 0331-46-1310 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[LOCAL] Any Debian-People at the GUUG-meeting in february?
The German Association of Unix Users (GUUG) will hold their spring meeting (Fruehjahrsfachgespraeche) from 26.-28. of February in Cologne (Germany). Sven Rudolph and I will be present to give some talks about Debian and Linux in general (1 full-day tutorial and 3 work-in-progress reports). If somebody needs free accommodation during the event, please contact me. Sven suggested to meet each other at that event. In case somebody is interested in planing this, contact him or me (no replies to the list, please). -Winfried -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serial communications question
On Sat, 20 Jan 1997 13:50:03 +0200 Johann Spies ([EMAIL PROTECTED] et.co.za) wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Philippe Troin wrote: No, you should be using /dev/ttyS1. Use of the cua devices is deprecated, and pppd's case, it can cause problems. My system is still configured as /dev/cuax. Should I change it to /dev/ttySx? Is so, how should I do it? I have seen a 0setserial script in /etc/rc.boot. Can I reconfigure my system by changing all the cuax-references there? No this won't help. You can change it, but what I meant is that all actual use of the serial ports (mouse, dialin, dialout), chould use /dev/ttySx. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with installation
I am in the middle of an upgrade from Debian 1.1 to 1.2 right now and ran into the same problem. Download the libc5 from the unstable directory. It seems that a few packages got into stable when the libc5 they needed wasn't. An easy fix though Oh, if you need/want the libc5-devel package, you'll need to get it from unstable as well. Scott Stanley -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting up Linux as a PPP dial-in service with IP and IPX
In your email to me, Mikael Bendtsen, you wrote: Hi all! I'm trying to configure a Debian Linux machine with mgetty as a dial-in service for a few users. I want it to route TCP/IP and IPX protocols. I probably have done something wrong because when the modem detects a call I get an error message that says something with ...must be root. I don't have the exact error message right now, so'll post it later on. Can someone help me? See my mgetty page at http://www.buoy.com/isp Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It's almost impossible to overestimate the unimportance of most things. -- John Logue ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Inexpensive color printer experience
Giacomo Mulas wrote: On or about 16-Gen-97 14:43:24, Michael Laing wrote: The 'stcolor' driver in Alladdin Ghostscript 4.01 works well for me on my Epson Stylus. No 'scratching' required... Where can I find Alladdin Ghostscript? Is it a commercial package or can I download it from some place? Thanks I am using debian package gs 4.01-4 in section text of stable (rex). Install it and type: gs -h It will tell you what drivers are compiled in. 'stcolor' should be there. Michael -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lp1 out of paper
Karl M. Hegbloom wrote: Hi Karl, Thanks for your reply, Is the 'lpd' running? Maybe you need to 'rm' the S symlink to the 'lpd' startup script in '/etc/rcX.d' for the runlevel you are in, so that the line printer daemon never gets fired off? -- Many solutions were suggested, and as it turns out all of them where correct... Yes, I had old print jobs waiting in the queue; yes I had a symlink in /etc/rc2.d to the lpd script, and yes, /etc/modules was loading the lp module for some reason... All is now as it should be! Many thanks to all. By the way, the athmosphere on this list is truly a breath of fresh air. Very little noise, and lots of extremely useful feedback. I have moved from Redhat (a fine product, to be sure, but the list is Babel with a vengeance) in December, and in the last few weeks have been an interested reader of the exchanges here. Always extremely relaxed and positive. Most enjoyable! Alain. Alain Nadeau[EMAIL PROTECTED] Medieval Studies Institute, University of Fribourg, Switzerland http://www.unifr.ch/iem/welcome.html -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two last problems...
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Fri, 17 Jan 1997, Paul Rightley wrote: Well, I alomost have a perfect Debian 1.2 system on my Thinkpad 365XD... Now I am down to only two problems - both of them I have seen mentioned here, but I do not remember if I have seen the solutions. The first problem is that syslogd is keeping the load on my machine at 1.0 even if nothin else is happenning with the system. At the same time I get huge numbers of 'The last message repeated 123456 times' appearing in /var/log/messages' Is there a way to get syslogd to work correctly? It is probably of interest to see what that last message was. I is most likely that process that is overloading syslogd. I had the same problem, syslogd was taking 97-98% of CPU time, because of some bad file number error messages... I corrected it by commenting out 3 lines in /etc/syslogd.conf starting with news... probably the directory /var/log/news wasnt created and syslogd tried to write to it... Greg -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: IP-Masquerade and NetWare
At 15:25 20-1-97 +, Mario Olimpio de Menezes wrote: Hi, I'm planning to set a linux box as a IP-Masquerade and I was wondering if the PC's under Linux will be able to connect to Netware servers, that is, will the Netware packets be forwarded by Linux? The design of the network is something like this: ---branch 1 |eth1 | | | eth0 | Linux |--Internet, Netware Servers | | ---branch 2 |eth2 | Netware doesn't use TCP/IP for sending packets, so it isn't affected by IP-Masquerading. Use ipxtunnel or ipxrouted to forward ipx-packets between the subnets. -- // Remco van de Meent // email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // www: http://cam053212.student.utwente.nl // -- Never make any mistaeks -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to install PGP?
Hi, I tried installing the mailpgp package but it complains about not having pgp-i or pgp-us. How do I install these, and how can I automate pgp into something like pine, for example? Thanks Ricardo -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?
Hi Carlos: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How is it possible to type accents in a mail msg. composed with pine? I saw no mention of 8bit composing in the man page, docs and config files. Is far as I know, there's no way to type accents with pine's built in editor. I guess you have to use an external editor like emacs, for example. It does a prety good job with accents, but may be quite slow to start up. Regards, M. S. Martin A. Soto J. Profesor Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion Universidad de los Andes [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. Virtual consoles aren't even Linux-specific, although they were one of Linus' main beefs with Minix, as I recall; from the beginning they have been a touted feature, if not a linux-only one. It's both pre-Minix and pre-Linux, and even pre-GNU'ish... perhaps somebody else, older than myself, can define if it's pre-Xenix too? perhaps adopted from Unix's papa system... the M'something :-) or perhaps from PDP? -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
syslogd hassels
Good night folks, I have spent my evening on debuggin syslogd to find the reason for this problem. I think I finally got it, but I'd like some of you verify before I make an upload. So please, I need anyone who ran into trouble with syslogd beeing unable to write to non-existing files and start hasseling (sp?). Could you please fetch the package from ftp.infodrom.north.de /pub/people/joey/debian/beta as sysklogd_1.3-12* and test this out. Thanks, Joey PS: I'm to tired now to look at the loop problem tonight, this comes tomorrow... -- / Martin Schulze http://home.pages.de/~joey/ / Linux - the choice of a GNU generation [EMAIL PROTECTED] / -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?
How is it possible to type accents in a mail msg. composed with pine? I saw no mention of 8bit composing in the man page, docs and config files. You must select a keyboard, that will give you accent shortcuts, to your accented keys. Your country must have a standard for this, if it isn't provided than there should be some other standard close to yours. This is the most propriate way... However, some programs provide alternative methods to come at these keys, but these are only needed on systems that didn't provide 8-bit support... Linux has full 8-bit support. Keyboard support tables, can be found in /usr/lib/kbd/keytables and there isn't one with your country code. You can take one that is close to your country and copy it to a suitable name to your country and edit it, like a normal ascii file. To afflict any changes you require. And then use loadkeys to load the keytable (see man for loadkeys). If your not certain how to do this, you can read some of the other keytables to see how its done, or contact the maintainer for the 'kbd' package (or me), who will help you along. HTH, -- Ørn Einar Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax; +46 035 217194 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 13:43:26 EST Robert Nicholson ([EMAIL PROTECTED] om) wrote: Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better fonts/features? Aladdin ghostscript comes with the non-free debian section. Look it there under gs-aladdin. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Serious mis-perception of reality going on here.
On Jan 20, 12:34pm, Michael Stutz wrote: Finally, a voice of reason. What made me try Debian in the first place was its supposed commitment to free software and the free software community, and now the talk has turned into something more like marketing the next Microsoft product. Complete with brainstorming on how to destroy the competition (Red Hat and Slackware). Can't Debian exist with its brothers and sisters, or is this a fight to win? This is absolutely nuts. Completely and totally insane. 100% divorced from reality. People, you are reading a whole lot more into this than you should. Nobody ever said we're launching the next Microsoft product, or destroying the competition, or anything like that. What we did say was that we would come out with a CD, for which we would charge manufacturers $2, so that we could have something that looked like a product so that commercial users would have a chance of selling it to their own management for use in their own institutions. Institutions like schools and small businesses. And why are we doing this? Because users asked for a way to get Debian as something else than a part of a 6-CD set so that they could show a package with the word Debian on the cover to their management. We will continue to cooperate with the other Linux distributions, all of which already make official CD distributions and sell them. We will continue to work as we have been working today. This is not some sort of plot. I am very disappointed with the knee-jerk response from a number of you. Bruce Perens -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better fonts/features? It is in the non-free part of the tree as 'gs-aladdin' Cheers, Carlo *** *Carlo U. Segre * * Department of Biological, Chemical and Physical Sciences * *Illinois Institute of Technology, Chicago, IL 60616 * * Voice: (312) 567-3498 FAX: (312) 567-3494* * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
On 20 Jan 1997, Carl Johnson wrote: [SNIP] I have XTerm handling colors, and 'ls' will also generate colors, but only for file types such as directories and executables. The 'dircolors' executable just sets up LS_COLORS='', which isn't very useful. The documentation for 'dircolors' refers to using 'dircolors --print-data-base' for help on what format to use, so I saved the output and tried running dircolors on it, but it still sets LS_COLORS to a null string. Does anybody have any information on how to get 'ls' to colorize files by file name, such as the old color-ls used to do? Unless I am completely missing something obvious, it looks like either 'dircolors' doesn't work, or the documentation is completely wrong (this is running on Debian 1.2). There used to be an example input file for dircolors called DIR_COLORS. I have the same file, .dir_colors in my home directory that I used with the color-ls package. To call dircolors, I do eval `dircolors /home/syrus/.dir_colors` Then, I alias ls, dir, and vdir with the --color=auto option. This option takes care of the question of which terminals are supported (these are also defined in the .dir_colors file as I recall). The file /usr/doc/fileutils/color-ls.gz is brief but correct. Note that the dircolors command must be executed with the exact syntax above. eval `dircolors` --works eval 'dircolors' --doesn't work (need ` not ') Syrus. -- Syrus Nemat-Nasser [EMAIL PROTECTED]UCSD Physics Dept. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Multifunction Cards
On Thu, 16 Jan 1997 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello everyone, I am thinking of getting one of those multifuncion (Modem, Fax, Answerphone, Sound ...) cards. I know of only two such cards (1) The microConnect 34 office and (2) The Aztech Telephony 3000 I just started using the USRobotics 33.6 PC-Card with linux that supports Modem (Cellular ready), fax, voice, and ties to my sound card. So far have only used the modem with debian but works well. --- Jean Pierre -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Announcement: Debian Official CD Policy
DEBIAN CD POLICY CHANGES Recently we have been working on some changes to the Debian CD policy. There's been a good deal of misunderstanding about those changes, so please let me take this opportunity to set it straight. A number of users have complained that the only way they can get Debian as part of the Linux 6-CD Grab Bag type of CD packages. This is a problem for them becuase they would like to be able to run Debian for their schools or businesses. Many managers are reluctant to allow use of a system if they can't see a professional-looking package with the name of the system on its cover, and professional services such as a telephone help desk. Unfortunately, there's currently no Debian CD that looks like a real product, and there's no user-support organization other than our mailing list. Our mailing list does a tremendous job at user support, but non-Linux-literate managers have a problem accepting it as the only support channel. We really do want people to be able to run Debian at their schools and businesses. Thus, we must choose from one of these alternatives: 1. Everyone who currently works for a non-Linux-literate manager should replace their manager with a Linux-literate one before Debian 1.3 is released. 2. We should make Debian more palatable to managers so that we can be allowed to use it at school and work. We've come up with a plan for solution #2. Many Linux distributions currently sell their own CDs, and have control over their packaging, etc. We decided that Debian should not be in the CD business and we should continue to allow any CD manufacturer to produce Debian CDs. However, we would like to encourage those manufacturers to produce a professional-looking Debian product. We will do this by producing a CD master (actually an ISO image file) of each release and allowing CD Manufacturers to duplicate it, in a package designed by the Debian project, as the official Debian CD. We will ask these manufacturers to donate the astronomical fee of $2 per unit in money or services to the Debian project in exchange for being allowed to produce the official CD. The donation per unit actually pledged by the manufacturer to the project will be printed on the package and publicized on our web page. In the case of cash donations, we will use the funds to pay for the petty cash expenses of the project. In addition, we will retain the current policy, which allows anyone to produce a Debian CD without donating anything, but we'd like those people to call their CD something without the word official in it. We will designate a software consultant to operate a self-supporting Debian help desk that takes phone calls. Currently, I get a number of phone calls here at Pixar, and it's really not appropriate for me to handle them on company time, so those people don't get helped. The help-desk is not meant to replace the fine technical help on debian-user, it's just a means for people who want a conventional help-desk to have one. I want to make it very clear that we are not making any other changes in the Debian project. We are not becoming a commercial company. We are not turning away from the philosophy of free software. We are not stopping anyone from selling Debian CDs. We are not going to break off our cordial relationships with other Linux distributors who already sell their own CDs. We are not planning a Microsoft-like product. All of this paragraph sounds absurd, but it's what we have been accused of in the last few days, so I thought I'd mention it. All we are doing is giving CD manufacturers a new option, without in any way changing the way they distribute Debian today. For some reason a number of people have had a difficult time understanding this. If you _still_ think that selling $2 CDs will in some way corrupt the morals of the project, I invite you to correspond with me personally. For some reason discussing this on the list leads to massive distortion. Perhaps personal email will work better. Thanks Bruce Perens Debian Project Leader -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X window manager oddities
I was using fvwm2 as my window manager, but now X is dumping me into twm. This happened after I cat'ed usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color onto my ~/.Xdefaults file, in an effort to get Xterm to work in colour (following some advice in the list archives). My .Xdefaults file was nonexistent before that. When I re-logged in with xdm, it dumped me into twm. I figured it didn't like my new .Xdefaults, so I rm'ed it, but it still dumps me into twm. As far as I can tell, everything is the same as before I messed with my .Xdefaults, but I keep getting twm instead of fvwm, so something isn't right. Is there anything specific I should check? I noticed in my .xsession-errors file, I have the line: [: /etc/X11/window-managers: unknown operand The time on the .xsession-errors file is very recent. Any ideas??? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
Carl == Carl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Carl I have XTerm handling colors, and 'ls' will also generate Carl colors, but only for file types such as directories and Carl executables. The 'dircolors' executable just sets up Carl LS_COLORS='', which isn't very useful. The documentation for Carl 'dircolors' refers to using 'dircolors --print-data-base' for Carl help on what format to use, so I saved the output and tried Carl running dircolors on it, but it still sets LS_COLORS to a null Carl string. Does anybody have any information on how to get 'ls' Carl to colorize files by file name, such as the old color-ls used Carl to do? Unless I am completely missing something obvious, it Carl looks like either 'dircolors' doesn't work, or the Carl documentation is completely wrong (this is running on Debian Carl 1.2). You have to give dircolors a file to look at to create it's database. I have the following file in my home directory, and run dircolors as: eval `dircolors $HOME/.dir_colors` Jim -.dir_colors # Configuration file for the color ls utility # This file goes in the /etc directory, and must be world readable. # You can copy this file to .dir_colors in your $HOME directory to override # the system defaults. # COLOR needs one of these arguments: 'tty' colorizes output to ttys, but not # pipes. 'all' adds color characters to all output. 'none' shuts colorization # off. COLOR all # Below, there should be one TERM entry for each termtype that is colorizable TERM linux TERM screen TERM console TERM con132x25 TERM con132x30 TERM con132x43 TERM con132x60 TERM con80x25 TERM con80x28 TERM con80x30 TERM con80x43 TERM con80x50 TERM con80x60 TERM xterm TERM vt100 # EIGHTBIT, followed by '1' for on, '0' for off. (8-bit output) EIGHTBIT 1 # Below are the color init strings for the basic file types. A color init # string consists of one or more of the following numeric codes: # Attribute codes: # 00=none 01=bold 04=underscore 05=blink 07=reverse 08=concealed # Text color codes: # 30=black 31=red 32=green 33=yellow 34=blue 35=magenta 36=cyan 37=white # Background color codes: # 40=black 41=red 42=green 43=yellow 44=blue 45=magenta 46=cyan 47=white NORMAL 00 # global default, although everything should be something. FILE 00 # normal file DIR 01;10;37;45 # directory LINK 01;36 # symbolic link FIFO 40;33 # pipe SOCK 01;35 # socket BLK 41;30;01# block device driver CHR 40;33;01# character device driver ORPHAN 01;05;37;41 # orphaned syminks MISSING 01;05;37;41 # ... and the files they point to # This is for files with execute permission: EXEC 01;32 # List any file extensions like '.gz' or '.tar' that you would like ls # to colorize below. Put the extension, a space, and the color init string. # (and any comments you want to add after a '#') .cmd 01;32 # executables (bright green) .exe 01;32 .EXE 01;32 .com 01;32 .COM 01;32 .btm 01;32 .bat 01;32 .BAT 01;32 .tar 01;37;41 # archives or compressed (bright white on red) .tgz 01;37;41 .tpz 01;37;41 .arj 01;37;41 .taz 01;37;41 .lzh 01;37;41 .zip 01;37;41 .z 01;37;41 .Z 01;37;41 .gz 01;37;41 .zoo 01;37;41 .rpm 01;37;41 .deb 01;37;41 .uu 01;37;41 .tz 01;37;41 .jpg 01;37;44 # image formats (bright white on blue) .gif 01;37;44 .bmp 01;37;44 .xbm 01;37;44 .xpm 01;37;44 .png 01;37;44 .tiff 01;37;44 .tif 01;37;44 .ps 01;37;44 .epsf 01;37;44 .ras 01;37;44 .tga 01;37;44 .fts 01;37;44 .pm 01;37;44 .rgb 01;37;44 .ppm 01;37;44 .pnm 01;37;44 .pgm 01;37;44 .pbm 01;37;44 #di=1;10;35:ln=1;36:pi=40;33:so=1;35:bd=41;30;1:cd=40;33;1:ex=1;32: #*.cmd=1;32:*.exe=1;32:*.com=1;32:*.btm=1;32:*.bat=1;32: #*.tar=1;31:*.tgz=1;31:*.tpz=1;31:*.taz=1;31:*.arj=1;31:*.lzh=1;31: #*.zip=1;31:*.tz=1;31:*.z=1;31:*.Z=1;31:*.gz=1;31:*.zoo=1;31:*.rpm=1;31: #*.jpg=1;34:*.gif=1;34:*.bmp=1;34:*.xpm=1;34:*.xbm=1;34:*.png=1;34 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs
One of the problems of leading a group of volunteers is that one can only lead where they will follow. There was too much resentment among a number of Debian developers over the $2 fee I proposed to charge for the privilege of producing the official Debian CD. Thus, Debian will not charge any fee for the privilege of producing the Official Debian CD. We will instead request, but not compel, a donation from CD manufacturers. The amount of the donation pledged per unit will be printed on the CD package. We will still require a contract to use the cover art and the words Official Debian CD, but this contact will be designed to give the project control over the content, not revenue from unit sales. As currently, we will continue to allow anyone to produce Debian CDs without a contract, as long as they use different cover art and call it something without the words Official Debian in it. Thanks Bruce Perens Debian Project Leader -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: kernel panics, crashes.
Saturday night, while I was testing my tape backup procedure, I did a full restore into an unused partition. I tried an rm -r on that partition, and got a kernel panic, locking my system. Happened again later that night. Earlier today, while demonstrating the slowness and cpu usage of IDE, I was copying a directory to another place on the same filesystem. Locked up silly. Anyone have ideas as to what I'm doing wrong? Trying to demonstrate the slowness and cpu usage of IDE ? :-) hamish -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?
Hi, Robert Nicholson wrote: Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better fonts/features? This is in ~/non-free/ as gs-aladdin_4.03-7.deb Later, David -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
availability of pre-1.2 distributions
Paul Rightley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... I no longer see the 1.1 distribution on ftp.debian.org - would it not be a good idea to keep it? was there ever an answer to this question? perhaps I missed it. (Is there a shortage of diskspace on ftp.debian.org?) brian -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to install PGP?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 15:09:16 PST Ricardo Kleemann ([EMAIL PROTECTED] .com) wrote: I tried installing the mailpgp package but it complains about not having pgp-i or pgp-us. How do I install these, and how can I automate pgp into something like pine, for example? PGP is not on the US debian sites (because of the US crypto export restrictions). Readme README-nonUS at your closest debian mirror. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sound and NIC problem
This isn't a *Debian* issue so much as a general Linux one, but since it is a Debian system... :) I installed ebian on a clients system this weekend keeping the win95 installed. They had a smc-ultra card, and everything seemed to work ok, both on win95 and Linux. (just a side note: I seems like there may be a problem with ifconfig.. it reports a different base address than the card is set at, even tho insmod gets it right... always 0x010 more) Now, they decided to add an AWE32 Plug-n-Pray sound card. Win95 went ok, but no sound under Linux, and then the smc card seems to stop working. ifconfig shows the card configured right, but no packets pass the software layer. Tx and Rx remain at 0. Is there anything I can do, short of pulling the sound card? Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps It's almost impossible to overestimate the unimportance of most things. -- John Logue ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to install PGP?
I tried installing the mailpgp package but it complains about not having pgp-i or pgp-us. How do I install these, You need to retrieve the PGP package, which is not on ftp.debian.org because of the stupid EAR (formerly ITAR) export restrictions. Look at the README.mirrors file (available at every debian FTP site) and choose a site that carries the non-US packages. and how can I automate pgp into something like pine, for example? Decrypting and verifying is easy enough, just pipe the message through PGP. Encrypting and signing is a matter of setting up a script and telling Pine to use it as an editor. The script runs your real editor for composing, then runs PGP and gives the output to Pine for mailing. I think Pine includes such a script already. RTFM. There are actually quite a few ways to automate PGP, that's just one. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian includes dir lacks symlinks to kernel sources
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:17:48 PST Karl M. Hegbloom
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
I discovered today, while attempting to compile the modutils for the
Linux 2.1.21 development kernel, that Debian installs a set of kernel
includes into /usr/include/{asm,linux}, rather than the standard
symlinks to the kernel source tree!
You're right on this, read on.
This causes an undefined symbol error; and only the gods know what
else. -- are there structures changed too?
No, you probably forgot to make config; make depend; make clean.
The linux kernel uses correct -I directives so that it doesn't access
anymore /usr/include/linux and /usr/linclude/asm.
I would like it if the libc maintainer would make his installation
setup so that the symlinks are created if the installer wants them,
and the headers if they want that... Just ask a question from the
install script maybe?
The reason why we use this scheme is the following: These directories
come with the libc5-dev package, ie with the C library. Inconsistency
between a program compiled with different kernel headers than those
used with libc can cause problems.
Perhaps kernel includes should be a separate package, and symlinks
created in /usr/include to them. I think that this is what most linux
programmers will expect to find in /usr/include.
No, that's the (wrong ?) slackware ways. The only time where you need
to have the real kernel headers installed is when you compile a
separate kernel module. The kernel headers are provided in a package
kernel-headers-version
If I upgrade libc, will that wipe out my kernel tree now that I've
'rm -r'd the /usr/include/{linux,asm} directories, and created
symlinks to /usr/src/linux/include/{linux,asm-i386}? I'd like it if
the libc maintainer's scripts would check for that also, please.
Yes, but this is the right way.
Good luck with your kernel compilation...
Phil.
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Re: how to type accents with pine in a msg?
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Martin Alonso Soto Jacome wrote: Hi Carlos: [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: How is it possible to type accents in a mail msg. composed with pine? I saw no mention of 8bit composing in the man page, docs and config files. Is far as I know, there's no way to type accents with pine's built in editor. I guess you have to use an external editor like emacs, for example. It does a prety good job with accents, but may be quite slow to start up. Oh, there are ways to get accents with pico. (the build in editor of pine). Firstly you have to teach your shell to use the right character set and then put the tight iso string into your .pinerc Yours, -- martin +++ the KDE project mailing lists +++ kde-announce (Announcements)kde (general discussion) kde-devel (Development issues) kde-look (look and feel issues) To subscribe (unsubscribe), send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with empty subject line and subscribe (unsubscribe) [your-email-address] in the message body -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X window manager oddities
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, I wrote: I was using fvwm2 as my window manager, but now X is dumping me into twm. I figured out what the problem was. It had nothing to do with my ~/.Xdefaults. Earlier that day I had replaced the /bin/sh symlink to bash with a symlink to ash, hoping it would use less memory. But, it seems that some of the scripts require sh to be bash. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diald problems. argh.
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:04:55 PST Kevin Traas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: You're starting pppd yourself in the connect script while diald expects to start pppd itself. The connect script should just execute the `chat' command. Re-read the diald manpage and look in the mail archives, I've already explained that one week ago. Yes, Phil - that explanation was to me. Thanks very much. I've got everything working successfully now - and it's great! However, I just didn't find this obviously stated in the manpages I haven't gone back to actually see if I could find this point mentioned, but if others are having this same problem, I don't feel so bad grin Should we (or I) talk to someone and get the docs edited slightly and add a , let me repeat, *** YOU DON'T NEED TO START pppd FROM YOUR DIALD CHAT SCRIPT BECAUSE DIALD STARTS pppd AUTOMATICALLY ONCE THE CHAT SCRIPT COMPLETES. *** This or something similar would make things a little more obvious When I installed diald some six months ago, this wasn't a problem for me :-) Maybe because I used the examples provided in /usr/doc/diald... You should contact the diald maintainer and/or open a bug requesting that this advice is placed proeminently for next diald release. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting kicked off my account
You don't have call-waiting on that line, right? Phone companies test lines daily. I've been in places where the phone bell gave a tinkle (not really a ring) at 11 P.M. every night. Phone company software is often configured to drop a connection that has been up 24 hours. My daemon just redials when this happens. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Where can I find xterm_color?
Carl Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have XTerm handling colors, and 'ls' will also generate colors, but only for file types such as directories and executables. The 'dircolors' executable just sets up LS_COLORS='', which isn't very useful. The documentation for 'dircolors' refers to using 'dircolors --print-data-base' for help on what format to use, so I saved the output and tried running dircolors on it, but it still sets LS_COLORS to a null string. Does anybody have any information on how to get 'ls' to colorize files by file name, such as the old color-ls used to do? Unless I am completely missing something obvious, it looks like either 'dircolors' doesn't work, or the documentation is completely wrong (this is running on Debian 1.2). I am following up to my original message after a few helpful messages. I have it working now, but what worries me is that I was doing everything right before. I tried using dpkg to re-install fileutils and libc5, but it still didn't work, so I then re-booted and dircolors started working properly. The problem was 'dircolors' and not 'ls', since as I said before running 'dircolors' by itself gave a null string for LS_COLORS. I am sure that I have rebooted since I upgraded from 1.1, but I don't know why this time got everything working. Maybe fileutils or libc5 hadn't properly upgraded before. Anyways, thanks for the very helpful replies. -- Carl Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How come no Aladdin ghostscript?
The gs-aladdin_4.03-6.deb package (or a newer version) is in non-free. Ioannis Tambouras [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP 768/429EE365, West Palm Beach, Florida On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Robert Nicholson wrote: Isn't it regarded that the Aladdin ghostscript offers better fonts/features? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
make-kpkg bombs on 2.0.28
I'm having a heck of a time trying to get a 2.0.28 kernel to compile. I do the make config, then make-kpkg -revision moe.1 kernel_image It spins along for a while, then /dev/dsp and /dev/audio support (CONFIG_AUDIO) [Y/n/?] MIDI interface support (CONFIG_MIDI) [Y/n/?] FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL-3) support (CONFIG_YM3812) [Y/n/?] CS4232 audio I/O base 530, 604, E80 or F40 (CS4232_BASE) [530] Sorry, no help available for this option yet. CS4232 audio I/O base 530, 604, E80 or F40 (CS4232_BASE) [530] Sorry, no help available for this option yet. [ad nauseum] If I drop the sound support, all works fine. I can do a make dep; make zImage with the sound drivers as well. |This is OFFICIAL WRITTEN notification that I want to be REMOVED| |from ALL commercial mailing lists. EVERY message sent from this | | account has had this request posted. ALL UNSOLICITED ADVERTISEMENTS | | SENT TO THIS ACCOUNT ARE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL (U.S.) LAW. | | Opinions expressed are not necessarily those of Cyclades Corporation. | -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
compiling gs-aladdin_4.03-7 (fwd)
There's a bug, but I'm not sure if it's me or the source package. I sucessfully compiled, but ONLY after making these changes: change in wrapper.c change: #include paper.h to: #include paper.h change in debian/rules change: install -m 0644 -o root -g root debian/setuid /usr/doc/gs/setuid install -m 0644 -o root -g root debian/changelog /usr/doc/gs/changelog install -m 0644 -o root -g root debian/README /usr/doc/gs/README to: install -m 0644 -o root -g root debian/setuid debian/tmp/usr/doc/gs/setuid install -m 0644 -o root -g root debian/changelog debian/tmp/usr/doc/gs/changelog install -m 0644 -o root -g root debian/README debian/tmp/usr/doc/gs/README -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Recompiling Linux
I started with Debian Distribution 2.0.6. Then got 2.0.13 from sunsite and managed to update the kernel using kernel package or some such. Linux is now 2.0.13. A few days ago I decided to try most stuff as modules except kerneld, ext2 files system and anything else I chose the default. Sound I have and chose to have sound included. Then went to recompile. I have not suceeded. I get a lot of the following: drivers/block/block.a(genhd.o) in function 'disk_name' genhd.o(text+0x3c2): undefined reference to 'ide_xlate_1024' lots of such but different undefined references eg. 'device_setup' undefined reference to 'net_dev_init' lots more that scrolled off the screen and finally: make: [vmlinux] Error 1 make dep ran without error. What did I miss ? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My diald won't dial
Hi all, Can someone tell me what's wrong with my following script? diald /dev/ttyS0 speed 115200 connect 'chat -f /etc/diald/pppchat' \ -m ppp local 123.73.253.175 remote 123.73.252.131 \ defaultroute modem crtscts dynamic pppchat is a script file which just init. modem and dial the modem. I have a folloeing pppd script which is very similar to my diald script but works fine. pppd /dev/ttyS0 connect 'chat -f /etc/diald/pppchat' \ crtscts modem defaultroute noipdefault Welcome for any comments. Thanks in advance. Regards, Jimmy -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diald problems. argh.
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:04:55 PST Kevin Traas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Should we (or I) talk to someone and get the docs edited slightly and add a , let me repeat, *** YOU DON'T NEED TO START pppd FROM YOUR DIALD CHAT SCRIPT BECAUSE DIALD STARTS pppd AUTOMATICALLY ONCE THE CHAT SCRIPT COMPLETES. *** This or something similar would make things a little more obvious When I installed diald some six months ago, this wasn't a problem for me :-) Maybe because I used the examples provided in /usr/doc/diald... Sarcasm attitude aside, I'd love to follow this advice. However, /usr/doc/diald/examples/diald.options[.gz] says connect /etc/ppp/ppp-connect-with-diald but this script is not provided. Hence my stuffing it up. Also, I thought all examples lived in /usr/doc/examples; diald's live in /usr/doc/diald/examples, and there's no sym link in /usr/doc/examples. diald from buzz had even less documentation provided, especially useful versions. rex is much better in this regard, but clearly has some way to go. As I said, I knew diald was going to be horrendous to set up when I started, and I wasn't far wrong. For example, I just added some rules to ignore certain protocols to the bottom of my /etc/diald/diald.conf; bad move, because the default accept any ... lines get you before then. Took quite some hair before I figured this out. The warnings about named were also nearly enough to scare me off. Since non-computer people will be using this setup, in the end I set up apache on the gateway machine, with a quick script to say whether the link is up or not, and if not, provide a button they can press which runs another script which tells diald to go up via the fifo. Seems to work quite well, rather than waiting for a connection to timeout. I have named forwarding requests here. Hamish -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? It shadows the handy emacs function of backward-kill-sexp and I have just lost one too many session on this account. ---+-- Christian Lynbech | Computer Science Department, University of Aarhus Office: R0.32 | Ny Munkegade, Building 540, DK-8000 Aarhus C Phone: +45 8942 3218 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.daimi.aau.dk/~lynbech ---+-- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael A. Petonic) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X window manager oddities
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 18:34:11 PST Steve ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: This happened after I cat'ed usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm-color onto my ~/.Xdefaults file, in an effort to get Xterm to work in colour (following some advice in the list archives). My .Xdefaults file was nonexistent before that. When I re-logged in with xdm, it dumped me into twm. I figured it didn't like my new .Xdefaults, so I rm'ed it, but it still dumps me into twm. As far as I can tell, everything is the same as before I messed with my .Xdefaults, but I keep getting twm instead of fvwm, so something isn't right. Is there anything specific I should check? I noticed in my .xsession-errors file, I have the line: [: /etc/X11/window-managers: unknown operand Look at the /etc/X11/Xsession script (or your local copy in ~/.xsession). It's probably missing the highlight -e Script excerpt: if [ -x $startup ] grep -q ^allow-user-xsession /etc/X11/config then exec $startup else xterm -ls if [ -e /etc/X11/window-managers ] #^^^- PROBABLY MISSING PART then for i in `sed 's/#.*//' /etc/X11/window-managers` do if [ -x $i ] then exec $i fi done fi if [ -x /usr/X11R6/bin/fvwm ] then exec fvwm fi exec twm fi End excerpt Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diald question
Philippe Troin wrote: On Sat, 18 Jan 1997 11:30:33 +0800 Lu Jimmy Chenji ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: BTW, I installed Debian-1.2 base system and want to use FTP method to download more files. So I need to use diald. Diald doc tells me that in order to use diald, I must have SLIP devices in my kernel. How can I check if my kernel has SLIP devices? Secondly. is there any simple way to setup diald? Can anybody guied me? You don't have to run diald to use the ftp method. Only pppd. Actually, though that diald is not that hard to configure. You can insmod (or modprobe) slip.o, it should do the trick. To check if it's in the kernel, try a lsmod. Phil. -- In order to know what devices are compiled inside the kernel, try: cat /proc/devices FYI, you can try cat on other files in /proc as well. What they contain are obvious by their file names. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Seak Teng-Fong E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bât 507 DRFC / SPPFTel: 33 (0) 4 42256125 CE / Cadarache Fax: 33 (0) 4 42256233 13108 Saint Paul lez Durance Cedex FRANCE -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: diald problems. argh.
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997 18:24:33 +1100 Hamish Moffatt ([EMAIL PROTECTED] rmit.edu.au) wrote: On Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:04:55 PST Kevin Traas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Should we (or I) talk to someone and get the docs edited slightly and add a , let me repeat, *** YOU DON'T NEED TO START pppd FROM YOUR DIALD CHAT SCRIPT BECAUSE DIALD STARTS pppd AUTOMATICALLY ONCE THE CHAT SCRIPT COMPLETES. *** This or something similar would make things a little more obvious When I installed diald some six months ago, this wasn't a problem for me :-) Maybe because I used the examples provided in /usr/doc/diald... Sarcasm attitude aside, I'd love to follow this advice. However, /usr/doc/diald/examples/diald.options[.gz] says connect /etc/ppp/ppp-connect-with-diald but this script is not provided. Hence my stuffing it up. Sarcasm was intended. Indeed, I never saw a modem nor ppp, nor diald in my whole life and I configured it in less than two hours. Maybe am I a geek ? In the diald examples directory lives: /usr/doc/diald/examples/bin/connect.gz which is a very good example of chatscript. Also, I thought all examples lived in /usr/doc/examples; diald's live in /usr/doc/diald/examples, and there's no sym link in /usr/doc/examples. The new package format states that examples should be in /usr/doc/package/examples. The old format used /usr/doc/examples/pa ckage. We still have old packages to be converted... But I admit the manpage is quite confusing on the `connect' command. Phil. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound and NIC problem
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Tim Sailer wrote: gets it right... always 0x010 more) Now, they decided to add an AWE32 Plug-n-Pray sound card. Win95 went ok, but no sound under Linux, and then the smc card seems to stop working. AWE32 PlugPlay is not supported under Linux. Nevertheless I managed to get it working with isapnp. isapnp is a tool which lets you read/set the settings of p7p cards. I recommend installing a SB16 device driver for the AWE32. The wave table drivers are not considered stable. Yours, -- martin // Martin Konold, Muenzgasse 7, 72070 Tuebingen, Germany // // Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // Oh, I've seen copies [of Linux Journal] around the terminal room at The Labs. (By Dennis Ritchie) Just go ahead and write your own multitasking multiuser os ! Worked for me all the times. -- Linus Torvalds -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian includes dir lacks symlinks to kernel sources
On Jan 20, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote
I discovered today, while attempting to compile the modutils for the
Linux 2.1.21 development kernel, that Debian installs a set of kernel
includes into /usr/include/{asm,linux}, rather than the standard
symlinks to the kernel source tree!
There are good reasons for this. Please read /usr/doc/libc5-dev/FAQ.gz .
HTH,
Ray
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mouse and serial ports
Hello, I read somewhere that a chicken would be able to install linux-debian... hum hum . I fear that everything is not so easy. My PC is a Pentium 150/ 32 Mb RAM/ 500 Mb disk for linux/ I installed the packages. OK. I recompiled the Kernel to get free of unused drivers. OK. And now, I run XFree86 to configure X11. The problem, at this step, is that my mouse is not recognized (although a true MicroSoft mouse pluged on the serial port 1, fully recognized when DOS/WINDOWS is running). What can be done to check /dev/ttySx ? All that I tried has failed. .. Regards, JPL -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ok I finally got debian running now what?
-Hello, My 386 is purring and i myst say that the install is correct, so far and it was much simpler than reading the installation instructions. so which packages would be logical to install first? allan Name: Allan W. Bart, Jr. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/21/97 Time: 5:19:39 AM This message was sent by Chameleon - -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote: Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? Use the DontZap flag in the XF86Config file. See 'man XF86Config'. [...] DontZap This disallows the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace sequence. This sequence allows you to terminate the X server. Setting DontZap allows this key sequence to be passed to clients. [...] -- Farzad FARID Administrateur Reseau SGIP - Publicis -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to install PGP?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Steve wrote: and how can I automate pgp into something like pine, for example? Decrypting and verifying is easy enough, just pipe the message through PGP. Encrypting and signing is a matter of setting up a script and telling Pine to use it as an editor. The script runs your real editor for composing, then runs PGP and gives the output to Pine for mailing. I think Pine includes such a script already. RTFM. There are actually quite a few ways to automate PGP, that's just one. Another way is to install the pinepgp package, resently uploaded to the contrib section. It contains script to will, decrypt and check signatures on incommimg mail, and crypt or sign outgoing. - --- Name:Hakan Ardo E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ub2.lu.se/~hakan/sig.html Public Key: Try finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint: E9 81 FD 90 53 5C E9 3E 3D ED 57 15 1B 7E 29 F3 Interests: WWW, Programming, 3D graphics Thought for the day: As long as one understands, the spelling does not matter :-) - --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMuR92N6dx9igIm71AQGCIwQA39iB7+iObGy2n5qZPLs+boPVTGVaWqNK nofp8U3syOwnN6pXpj08l8t8ujlJ/wAtoPMdf5BiPQGupAE2jTAIWciPeEJcqQ5C htjJ5fqVtz7G5ikYFvxmDKLocGE+xO0YRdfj6Ac1pJ+CFrdsSZTZFKtK8LhnYEWd fD8Q6oIHraI= =5BtL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compaq installation problem
Hi, I have a Compaq Prosignia vs with onboard SCSI-controller and only a SCSI-HD. I would like to install Debian on my machine but the resque disk doesn't know my SCSI-board so it will not detect my HD either. So I peeked inside my computer and found a chip labeled: NCR 53C710 (and a bunch of other numbers) which, I guess, is the SCSI-controller. Can anybody tell me where to get a set of installation disks that knows this controller? Thanks in advance, Nico. -- -- Nico De Ranter Sony Objective Composer (SOCOM) Sint Stevens Woluwestraat 55 (Rue de Woluwe-Saint-Etienne) 1130 Brussel (Bruxelles), Belgium, Europe, Earth Telephone: +32 2 724 17 41 Telefax: +32 2 726 26 86 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Compaq 4131T Notebook
Hi, does anybody know whether Debian will run on a Compaq 4131T Notebeook with convenience base Ethernet? I'm planning to buy 4 of them, but I want to be sure it will run. Thanks in advance, Nico. -- -- Nico De Ranter Sony Objective Composer (SOCOM) Sint Stevens Woluwestraat 55 (Rue de Woluwe-Saint-Etienne) 1130 Brussel (Bruxelles), Belgium, Europe, Earth Telephone: +32 2 724 17 41 Telefax: +32 2 726 26 86 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to install PGP?
Ricardo Kleemann writes: Hi, I tried installing the mailpgp package but it complains about not having pgp-i or pgp-us. How do I install these, and how can I automate pgp into something like pine, for example? Thanks Ricardo pgp is at: BRThis site also carries packages that can't be at ftp.debian.org due to legal reasons (e.g. export restrictions) in A HREF=ftp://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/pub/debian-non-US;ftp://os.inf.tu-dresden.de/pub/debian-non-US/A pgp-i is better but supposed by some illegal in US. Some languages support is included, some you should get yourself. I don't use pine but elm incorporates pgp straightforward without mailpgp. -- Ričardas Čepas -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unidentified subject!
Hi Esger, everything seems to be allright! Effectively FvwnSave is working but in the way of creating a new.xinitrc file that should be renamed by the user as .xinitrc for the changes to take effect. Anyway some applications don't provide information enough for this module to save them (ex, files, the filemanager). On the other hand the module called FvwmConfig does not exist. Thank you very much! And now, to abusse your patience a bit more, do you know how to configure the filemanager under Fvwm95 in order to have icons for the recognized types of files and execute the correspondig programs by double/clicking???. I've read the manual page for files *the filemanager* and it seems the file to check is .Filesrc but it doesn't work at present. *** Javier Gismero tel: (34 1) 3367358 fax : (34 1) 3367362 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] E.T.S.I.Telecomunicacion Universidad Politecnica Madrid Ciudad Universitaria S/N 28040 MADRID *** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound and NIC problem
When I installed Debian I had problems with my 3c509 net card and PnP SB 32 sound card. The 3c509 wasn't detected before I got the isapnp tools (pnpdump and isapnp). I added the following lines in /etc/init.d/boot : if [ -x /sbin/pnpdump ] then echo Deconfiguring PnP devices /sbin/pnpdump /dev/null fi And right after that these lines: if [ -x /sbin/isapnp ] then echo Configuring PnP devices /sbin/isapnp /etc/pnpdump fi The file /etc/pnpdump is the edited output of /sbin/pnpdump and if I remeber right it's needed to get the SB 32 working. At least it works now, I'm listening to KPIG... The 3c509 driver is a module, not compiled in the kernel. -- Heikki Vatiainen * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tampere University of Technology * http://www.cs.tut.fi/~hessu/ Tampere, Finland -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
See /etc/X11/XF86Config and in there section ServerFlags. Uncomment the line that reads DontZap and that should do it. Man XF86Config tells more. Christian Lynbech wrote: Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? // Heikki -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: availability of pre-1.2 distributions
Yes, I think there is a shortage for keeping three distributions (the next, this and the last). Have a look at the list archives (ftp:, not http:) because I'm sure someone gave an address where they keep an accessible mirror of 1.1. My own solution is to build up a collection of my .deb packages on a zip disk before allowing dselect to remove them. (This helps with cloning machines too.) David. On 20 Jan 1997, Brian Gough wrote: Paul Rightley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... I no longer see the 1.1 distribution on ftp.debian.org - would it not be a good idea to keep it? was there ever an answer to this question? perhaps I missed it. (Is there a shortage of diskspace on ftp.debian.org?) brian -- David Wright, Open University, Earth Science Department, Milton Keynes MK7 6AA, U.K. Tel: +44 1908 653 739 Fax: +44 1908 655 151 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel doesn't have PPP support, What does this mean?
The message isn't necessarily word for word, but that was the essence of it. Maybe something like this kernel lacks ppp support. Running Debian 1.1.10 from iConnect CD. Installed and built linux 2.0.21 kernel with ppp supported as a module, did insmod and got the message, so I recompiled with ppp in the kernel, and got the same message. My pppd setup seemed to dial and connect to mindspring.com OK, but then it issued the lack of support message. Ah, yes, I did reboot from floppy each time... 8^) And used make zdisk to generate the floppy and yes the build number did increment. Suggestions? Thanks, Jim. Jim Lynch, System Engineer, SGI/Cray Research, Inc. / ARS: K4GVO Federal Business Systems, Phone: (770) 631-2254, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Suite 270, 200 Westpark Drive, Peachtree City, GA 30269 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
Christian Lynbech wrote: Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? It shadows the handy emacs function of backward-kill-sexp and I have just lost one too many session on this account. In your XF86Config file find the following section and uncomment the DontZap option. This as it says will disable the key action. # ** # Server flags section. # ** Section ServerFlags # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging #NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the CrtlAltBS server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. #DontZap -- Be seeing you... xXXXx John Stevenson 3rd Yr BSc Soft. Eng. ** Staff/Student Representative ** E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.ncl.ac.uk/~n4215605 xXXXx -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serious mis-perception of reality going on here.
Bruce Perens wrote: On Jan 20, 12:34pm, Michael Stutz wrote: Finally, a voice of reason. What made me try Debian in the first place was its supposed commitment to free software and the free software community, and now the talk has turned into something more like marketing the next Microsoft product. Complete with brainstorming on how to destroy the competition (Red Hat and Slackware). Can't Debian exist with its brothers and sisters, or is this a fight to win? This is absolutely nuts. Completely and totally insane. 100% divorced from reality. People, you are reading a whole lot more into this than you should. Nobody ever said we're launching the next Microsoft product, or destroying the competition, or anything like that. What we did say was that we would come out with a CD, for which we would charge manufacturers $2, so that we could have something that looked like a product so that commercial users would have a chance of selling it to their own management for use in their own institutions. Institutions like schools and small businesses. And why are we doing this? Because users asked for a way to get Debian as something else than a part of a 6-CD set so that they could show a package with the word Debian on the cover to their management. Correct me if I'm wrong(like that wouldn't happen here). But the $2 charge gives us control over the use of the term Official Debian. This control is needed. Witness the historical reason for a lack of 1.0 version. This control then can give the assuance needed to the management types. Management doesn't want to dive into the Bleeding Edge of Linux and this would ensure a 'tested' version with the Debian organization's blessing. Everything else appears as a work in progress. As long as its also available free on the net. The $2 plus fluff is only the suit. The full brains brawn of Debian are still available to the public without distribution charges. I'm not currently on a consulting assignment where this is necessary but some sites have gone with a commercial distribution and then wondered if they should have used Linux at all. Obviously, they were even more skeptical about 'giving Debian a try.' -- Greg. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs
On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: One of the problems of leading a group of volunteers is that one can only lead where they will follow. There was too much resentment among a number of Debian developers over the $2 fee I proposed to charge for the privilege of producing the official Debian CD. Thus, Debian will not charge any fee for the privilege of producing the Official Debian CD. We will instead request, but not compel, a donation from CD manufacturers. The amount of the donation pledged per unit will be printed on the CD package. We will still require a contract to use the cover art and the words Official Debian CD, but this contact will be designed to give the project control over the content, not revenue from unit sales. As currently, we will continue to allow anyone to produce Debian CDs without a contract, as long as they use different cover art and call it something without the words Official Debian in it. It's not clear that we have been listening to the same group. At least, I never opposed the payment portion of your idea. I would have rather you dropped the official designation and kept the payment/donation (which you really have kept, but just reworded) I like the idea of calling it a Contribution CD and thus declaring it's purpose, rather than an Official CD implying that all others are somehow Unofficial and therefore unsupported. In any case, whether we call it contributions or payments, the bottom line is, we need a place to send money for the project. The ability to do this is a pre-depends on any other scheme for financing the project. Doesn't the project have enough legal status to open a checking account? What do we need to do to get to that point? Thanks, Dwarf P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future montary problems could be solved by small donations from the developers. I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600 dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional material. -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask -- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian logo submissions
A friend of mine has donated a logo to the Debian project for consideration. It's sketchy, but we think the idea has some potential. Only thing is, where do we send it? If anyone's interested, there's a copy at www.wollery.demon.co.uk/penguin.gif. Thanks, Casper Boden-Cummins. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Announcement: Debian Official CD Policy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bruce Perens) ... We will do this by producing a CD master (actually an ISO image file) of each release ... Excellent! (The quality of the CD distribution depends only on Debian, not on CD manufacturers.) Daniel -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
Christian Lynbech [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? It shadows the handy emacs function of backward-kill-sexp and I have just lost one too many session on this account. This is what it says in Section ServerFlags of my XF86Config file: # Uncomment this to disable the CrtlAltBS server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. #DontZap Good luck! Dale -- + finger for pgp public key -+ | Dale E. Martin | University of Cincinnati Savant Research Laboratory | | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| http://www.ececs.uc.edu/~dmartin | +--+ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Please, let us end the misery.
[*** Attention, this is not a flame, but merely a test of my patience. If this would a real flame, you wouldn't get the warning.***] Can someone tell me what's wrong with the following message? Lu Jimmy Chenji wrote: Hi all, Can someone tell me what's wrong with my following script? diald /dev/ttyS0 speed 115200 connect 'chat -f /etc/diald/pppchat' \ -m ppp local 123.73.253.175 remote 123.73.252.131 \ defaultroute modem crtscts dynamic pppchat is a script file which just init. modem and dial the modem. I have a folloeing pppd script which is very similar to my diald script but works fine. pppd /dev/ttyS0 connect 'chat -f /etc/diald/pppchat' \ crtscts modem defaultroute noipdefault Welcome for any comments. Does anybody ever call up an auto shop and say My car won't start. I turned the key and it didn't start. and expect an answer? I don't know how many people I see every day coming here posting questions with little or no information. Howe in the are we supposed to know what's wrong with something if we can't see the error messages? I propose that a Debian-list Do's-And-Don'ts be constructed and sent to everyone when they first sign on the list. Sort of like netiquette but more towards help with common problems we see here. There should be something like before you send a post to the list, make sure you gather all relevant information regarding your problem, e.g. configuration files, error logs, command lines. In particular check the man page (i.e. type 'man program-name') to find out if the program you're having trouble with produces (or can produce debugging information and where what file it goes to and so on, and so on. It will probably need a short ditty on how syslog works. And of course, it should mention that people should check the bug list. BTW, where is the freakin' bug list? I would also propose that this document be posted on a insert your suggested time period here basis if it doesn't end up being really huge. In essence, I see this document being a set of instructions on how to diagnose problems. I know this is a daunting task. (Kind of like writing instructions on how to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich when you're target audience is Martians who don't eat but rather absorb nutrients through their feet.) It's still worth it and it would decrease the traffic on this list. My 0.02 (and more!) -- Jens B. Jorgensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: make-kpkg bombs on 2.0.28
Hi,
The problem lies in the new behavious of expr (which has
gotten POSIX compliant, much to the consternation of kernel
config). The following path fixes the kernel sources:
manoj
--- scripts/Configure.dist Mon Jan 20 14:43:24 1997
+++ scripts/Configure Tue Jan 21 05:41:30 1997
@@ -288,7 +288,7 @@
def=${old:-$3}
while :; do
readln $1 ($2) [$def] $def $old
- if expr $ans : '0$\|-?[1-9][0-9]*$' /dev/null; then
+ if expr $ans : '0$\|-\?[1-9][0-9]*$' /dev/null; then
define_int $2 $ans
break
else
@@ -319,7 +319,7 @@
while :; do
readln $1 ($2) [$def] $def $old
ans=${ans#*[x,X]}
-if expr $ans : '[0-9a-fA-F]+$' /dev/null; then
+if expr $ans : '[0-9a-fA-F]\+$' /dev/null; then
define_hex $2 $ans
break
else
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Re: Debian includes dir lacks symlinks to kernel sources
Hi, This is a feature, not a bug. Very shortly, Debian's practice will get more wide spread when libc6 adopts a similar practice, so one would do well to get used to it. For the moment, if your package really needs kernel headers (which probably means it is tied to that kernel verion only), you should get the package kernel-headers-X.X.XX or kernel-source-X.X.XX and add to the CFLAGS -I/usr/src/linux/include/linux -I /usr/src/linux/include/asm. Canned reason follows. manoj README file for kernel-headers-X.X.XX package - This package contains the Linux kernel header files (also contained in libc5-dev packages). The headers were included in libc5-dev after a rash of very buggy alpha kernel releases (1.3.7* or something like that) that proceeded to break compilations, etc. Kernel versions are changed far more rapidly than libc is, and there are higer chances that people install a custom kernel than they install custom libc. Add to that the fact that few programs really need the more volatile elements of the header files (that is, things that really change from kernel version to kernel version), [before you reject this, consider: programs compiled on one kernel version usually work on other kernels]. So, it makes sense that a set of headers be provided from a known good kernel version, and that is sufficient for compiling most programs, (it also makes the compile time environments for programs on debian machines a well known one, easing the process of dealing with problem reports), the few programs that really depend on cutting edge kernel data structures may just use -I/usr/src/linux/include (provided that kernel-headers or kernel-source exists on the system). Most programs, even if they include linux/something.h, do not really depend on the version of the kernel, as long as the kernel versions are not too far off, they will work. And the headers provided in libc5-dev are just that. libc5-deb is uploaded frequently enough that it never lags too far behind the latest released kernel. There are two different capabilities which are the issue, and the kernel-packages and libc5-dev address different ones: a) The kernel packages try tp provide a stable, well behaved kernel and modules, and may be upgraded whenever there are significant advances in those directions (bug fixes, more/better module support, etc). These, however, may not have include files that are non-broken as far as non-kernel programs are concerned, and the quality of the development/compilation environment is not the kernel packages priority (Also, please note that the kernel packages are tied together, so kernel-source, headers, and image are produced in sync) b) Quality of the development/compilation environment is the priority of libc5-dev package, and it tries to ensure that the headers it provides would be stable and not break non-kernel programs. This assertion may fail for alpha kernels, which may otherwise be perfectly stable, hence the need for a different set of known-good kernel include files. -- Well, Darkness has a hunger that's insatiable, And Lightness has a call that's hard to hear. Indigo Girls Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Compiling the kernel - hiccups, and output
Hi, Make bzImage would place a image file under ./arch/$(architecture)/boot/$(kimage). You need to care about bzImage, ./System.map, and ./vmlinux, which is needed for generating the psdatabase, needed for the commands ps and friends. You also need to care asbout the modules produced ... Umm this is getting messy. May I suggest you install the package kernel-package, cd to the kernel source top, and say % make mrproper; make menuconfig configure the kernel as you wish, and say % make=-pkg kernel_image Wait. A kernel image file will be produced shortly, which may then be shipped home as desired. It really is far easier this way. (You could try make-kpkg -n kernel_image to see what it would do). manoj -- The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure thought- stuff. He builds his castles in the air, from air, creating by exertion of the imagination. Few media of creation are so flexible, so easy to polish and rework, so readily capable of realizing grand conceptual structures. Frederick Brooks, Jr., The Mythical Man Month Manoj Srivastava url:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mobile, Alabama USAurl:http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
From the man page XF86Config: DontZap This disallows the use of the Ctrl+Alt+Backspace sequence. This sequence allows you to terminate the X server. Setting DontZap allows this key sequence to be passed to clients. Uncomment the following line in /etc/X11/XF86Config #DontZap -Bob Christian Lynbech wrote: Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? It shadows the handy emacs function of backward-kill-sexp and I have just lost one too many session on this account. ---+-- Christian Lynbech | Computer Science Department, University of Aarhus Office: R0.32 | Ny Munkegade, Building 540, DK-8000 Aarhus C Phone: +45 8942 3218 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.daimi.aau.dk/~lynbech ---+-- Hit the philistines three times over the head with the Elisp reference manual. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael A. Petonic) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: mouse and serial ports
Hi, Since you didn't tell us what you have already tried, please check these things. I'm sorry if this is redundant. When you compiled your kernel, did you include the Standard/generic serial support? It can either be compiled in the kernel or as a module but you need it to get the mouse support. Try command 'dmesg' so you can see the kernel's bootup messages and see if there are lines like these: Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A If you didn't see these lines, then try 'insmod serial' as root if you compiled the serial driver as a module. If you have the serial driver, then check /etc/X11/XF86Config and try to locate the Pointer section that starts with a line like Section Pointer After that there are lines that tell the protocol and device in use. I, for example have a cheap logitech 3 button mouse and the protocol and device lines look like this: ProtocolMouseMan Device /dev/mouse Where /dev/mouse is a symbolic link to ttyS0 (COM1). Try man XF86Config for more info about the pointer and other settings. There's also XF86Setup program that comes with the 16 color SVGA server (package 'xserver-vga16') if you'd like to try a different program to make the XF86Config file. You wrote: [cut] I installed the packages. OK. I recompiled the Kernel to get free of unused drivers. OK. And now, I run XFree86 to configure X11. The problem, at this You should try 'xf86config' or 'XF86Setup' to configure X. step, is that my mouse is not recognized (although a true MicroSoft mouse pluged on the serial port 1, fully recognized when DOS/WINDOWS is running).What can be done to check /dev/ttySx ? All that I tried has failed. [cut] -- Heikki Vatiainen * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tampere University of Technology * http://www.cs.tut.fi/~hessu/ Tampere, Finland -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dselect: an urgent suggestion, common upgrade problems
Let the ones that managed to end up the Select phase in one go throw me the first stone for being so impudent... That's it: I have had 3 upgrades to do, and always hit return by mistake, prematurely throwing myself out of the Select phase. You can return to it, of course, but the ordering of packages is completely different (new packages are no longer new... etc). Given how deeply irreversible it is to hit this one return key at that stage, it would seem appropriate to ask for confirmation before exiting the select phase. Otherwise, the upgrade is rather smooth. Maybe there should be a corner on the web server collecting troubles with upgrades and solutions, like the common: ? Perl dependence on libdl1 !install libso first, and reinstall perl ? libX...so.n not found (eg for fvwm) !add /usr/X11R6/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf and run ldconfig as root; The problem is that list archives are not up to date, and anyway lack a powerful search engine. Moreover, when your system is broken, you cannot access the web anymore, so you may want a printable document listing common install problems and solutions. Not publicising this type of info as loudly as possible is what really worries me with commercial software, more than asking 2$ from CD makers... Amities, Jean Orloff + + + + + + + + ++ + Tel:(33)450.09.16.75 Fax:(33)450.27.94.95 http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/ + + + + + + + + + ++ Advertisement for donkey rides in Thailand: Would you like to ride on your own ass? + + + + + + + + ++ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote: Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? Look for this section in /etc/X11/XF86Config and uncomment it: -cut-here-- # Uncomment this to disable the CrtlAltBS server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. #DontZap -cut-here-- -- Paul Seelig [EMAIL PROTECTED] African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany Our AMA Homepage in the WWW at http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bender/ -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Donations to the Debian project
A number of people have asked how to make donations to the Debian project. We will not accept any until after we have elected a board of directors. The reason for this is that we have no treasurer at present, and it's up to the BOD to elect one. The developers will elect their board later this week. Thanks Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian-1.2.3 and libc5 problems
We've been puting Debian 1.2 onto a couple of machines and have run into a major snag. Neither of these machines had linux installed on them prior to this, so this was not an upgrade. After doing the base installation from floppies we ran into troubles with libc5 dependancies. (Incedentally, both the people that I was helping liked the debian installation and had little trouble with the initall base installation compaired to an earlier failed atempt to install a redhat distribution.) The problem seems to be associated with the upgrade from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3 that happened at our favorite mirror on Jan 19. We did the base install on one machine on the 17 and 18th. No major problems. After getting the network up, we used dselect and ftp to do a full installation. We started the second installation on the 18th and continued on the 19th. Again, we used dselect and ftp access mode to install. The directories that we used on the archive were stable, non-free and contrib. Now, when the archive went from 1.2.2 to 1.2.3, the stable symlink was changed (as it should have been). When we went back to finish installing the rest of the system after the 1.2.2 - 1.2.3 change, we had troubles. Debian 1.2.2 included libc5_5.4.13-1.deb as does Debian 1.2.3. But, because a number of the packages in 1.2.3 pre-depends on libc5 (= 5.4.17-1), a number of packages were marked for removal. We've worked around this problem by s using Debian-1.2.2 rather than stable for the dselect ftp directory. I'll check to see if the libc5 problem is a known bug and if not I'll submit a bug report. Regards, Mike -- Michael A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nuclear Physics Lab, University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign PGP public key available on request -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Need help about diald dselect:
At 10:13 AM 1/19/97 -0500, Shaya Potter wrote: On Sun, 19 Jan 1997, Lu Jimmy Chenji wrote: 2)I am trying to use dselect's FTP method without any success. I strted pppd first. The program and my modem seem working properly. I checked /var/log/ppp.log file and the message was like this: pppd 2.2.0 started by root, uid 0 serila connection established. Using interface ppp0 connect: ppp0 --- /dev/ttyS0 local IP address 202.73.253.153 remote IP address 202.73.252.131 I think above message looks OK. Then I started dselect access method FTP. When dselect was loaded, I got a message hostname: Host name lookup failure. Does this mean anything? I just ignored this message and filled in information for fip site, passive, and username etc then hit return. I got the following messages: Connecting to ftp.debian.org NET::FTP: Bad hostname 'ftp.debian.org' at /usr/lib/perl5/Net/FTP.pm line 405 FTP ERROR Just wondering, did you set up your /etc/resolb.conf file for the DNS server of your ISP. That should solve your problems. ## I had the same problem when I installed 1.2 clean. It tells you in the install to separate your nameservers with a comma, but you MUST NOT do this or it will generate a broken /etc/resolv.conf Go into your /etc/resolve.conf and make sure you have nameserver entries like: nameserver 1.2.3.4 nameserver 5.6.7.8 (should you have more than one nameserver they need to be on separate lines like this) the install program with commas actually generates: nameserver 1.2.3.4,5.6.7.8 *argh* this caused me all sorts of trouble when I installed :( Regards, Kendrick -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Serious mis-perception of reality going on here.
In your email to me, Greg Vence, you wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong(like that wouldn't happen here). But the $2 Nah... not *here* :) charge gives us control over the use of the term Official Debian. This control is needed. Witness the historical reason for a lack of 1.0 version. Correct! The word 'Official' has to have some control behind it, and we have to generate some sort of income for the .org . It's *non-profit* folks, not *non-income*. It just means we are not in business to make money/profit.. just to cover our costs. Did anyone catch the Linux segment on MEU this week? RedHat, Caldera, and WGS were on the show. WHY NOT DEBIAN?? Because Bruce/someone couldn't pay *out of their own pocket* to appear there... This control then can give the assuance needed to the management types. Management doesn't want to dive into the Bleeding Edge of Linux and this would ensure a 'tested' version with the Debian organization's blessing. Everything else appears as a work in progress. As long as its also available free on the net. The $2 plus fluff is only the suit. The full brains brawn of Debian are still available to the public without distribution charges. I'm not currently on a consulting assignment where this is necessary but some sites have gone with a commercial distribution and then wondered if they should have used Linux at all. Obviously, they were even more skeptical about 'giving Debian a try.' Despite my best efforts, the BNL Linux community is slowly migrating to RH for just this reason. It's a commercial product is the reason I get... if they could buy it from CompUSA or Egghead, it would *appear* to *them* to be legitimate! Managements *perception* is the key here... Tim -- (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] / (home) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.buoy.com/~tps You cannot paint the 'Mona Lisa' by assigning one dab each to a thousand painters. -- William F. Buckley, Jr. ** Disclaimer: My views/comments/beliefs, as strange as they are, are my own.** -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to install PGP?
Hi! I couldn't find the pinepgp package under contrib... :( Anyone else know where it is? On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Hakan Ardo wrote: Another way is to install the pinepgp package, resently uploaded to the contrib section. It contains script to will, decrypt and check signatures on incommimg mail, and crypt or sign outgoing. - --- Name:Hakan Ardo E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.ub2.lu.se/~hakan/sig.html Public Key: Try finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fingerprint: E9 81 FD 90 53 5C E9 3E 3D ED 57 15 1B 7E 29 F3 Interests: WWW, Programming, 3D graphics Thought for the day: As long as one understands, the spelling does not matter :-) - --- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBMuR92N6dx9igIm71AQGCIwQA39iB7+iObGy2n5qZPLs+boPVTGVaWqNK nofp8U3syOwnN6pXpj08l8t8ujlJ/wAtoPMdf5BiPQGupAE2jTAIWciPeEJcqQ5C htjJ5fqVtz7G5ikYFvxmDKLocGE+xO0YRdfj6Ac1pJ+CFrdsSZTZFKtK8LhnYEWd fD8Q6oIHraI= =5BtL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Todd Graham Lewis wrote: Todd Todd On Mon, 20 Jan 1997, Boris D. Beletsky wrote: Todd Todd Linux is great but thouse are NOT linux only things. Todd Todd OK, you're right, these are features generic to gnu-ish shells like bash Todd and zsh which receive their greatest exposure through Linux. [t]csh has fg,bg stuff built in. And tcsh isn't gnu-ish This was a discussion about Virtual consoles, not about job-control. Yes, Jobcontrol has nothing to do with linux (more with Unix), but Virtual Consoles really aren't built in tcsh. With virtual consoles we mean the stuff you see when you press ALT_F[0-6] (or, ALT_CONTROL_F[0-6], if you're in X), and with them you can have several programmes running on their own screen, not like the /bg/fg/^z jobcontrol, then the programmes can run at the same time (that's just unix), but they will mess up eachother's output (try running two vi/emacs sessions without VC/X, but just using jobcontrol, and you'll see the difference between VC's and jobcontrol). P.S that diesn't mean that linux isn't great :-) It means that Linux has another extra feature (VC's) that most (all?) other usixes don't have, but whether that means Linux is much better than FreeBSD/SCO/NT, I really don't know (I don't use the other systems) -- joost witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Use Debian/GNU Linux! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] From miss Received: from mongo.pixar.com (138.72.50.60) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 21 Jan 1997 23:17:41 - Received: (qmail 11811 invoked from network); 21 Jan 1997 18:09:58 - Received: from primer.i-connect.net (HELO master.debian.org) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) by mongo.pixar.com with SMTP; 21 Jan 1997 18:09:58 - Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tue, 21 Jan 1997 13:08:57 -0500 From: Ami Ganguli [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Ganguli Consulting Inc. X-Sender: Ami Ganguli [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.0b1 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED], debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Withdrawl of fee for producing Debian CDs X-Priority: Normal References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Resent-Message-ID: QuXzV1.0.at.ZQGvo@master.debian.org Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-Reply-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/4087 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Priority: non-urgent Importance: low Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dale Scheetz wrote: It's not clear that we have been listening to the same group. At least, I never opposed the payment portion of your idea. Ditto. I suspect that the feedback that caused Bruce to change his mind came through private mail from developers. P.S. Just another point. If we had a place to deposit money, any future montary problems could be solved by small donations from the developers. I'd certainly send in $10 to help finance the project through any tough times. If the rest of the group feels as I do this would yield $1600 dollars in one fell swoop. This wouldn't get very many people to trade shows, but it would provide funds for advertising and other promotional material. You need a clear idea of what you want to spend the money on before you go fund-raising, but I support the idea in general. Charging (or asking for contributions from) developers isn't going to get you very far, though. They already contribute time, I don't think expecting cash as well is really fair. And $1600 is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things. Charging distributors (and thus end-users, indirectly) seem more reasonable and more likely to raise enough cash to actually get something done. Having said all that, it needs to be stated clearly somewhere (in a charter or something) that the purpose of the Debian project is NOT to raise money or produce a fancy disk. I think everybody agrees with this, but it should be stated (etched in stone) somewhere explicitly and some ground rules laid down so that we never become dependant on the cash. Regards... ... Ami. -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What's the ALT-F4 stuff?
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, joost witteveen wrote: It means that Linux has another extra feature (VC's) that most (all?) other usixes don't have, but whether that means Linux is much better than FreeBSD/SCO/NT, I really don't know (I don't use the other systems) FreeBSD has virtual consoles as well. Ok, how's this for a killer Linux feature. killall(1). I f*cking _love_ killall; you just have to be careful not to use it on non-Linux systems. 8^) __ Todd Graham Lewis Linux! Core Engineering Mindspring Enterprises [EMAIL PROTECTED] (800) 719 4664, x2804 -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: compiling gs-aladdin_4.03-7 (fwd)
There's a bug, but I'm not sure if it's me or the source package. I sucessfully compiled, but ONLY after making these changes: Thanks for the report, but none of the changes you mention make _compiling_ easier (though the ./debian/rules binary stuff was indeed impossible on systems that didn't already have gs installed.) change in wrapper.c change: #include paper.h to: #include paper.h Well, that means at least that you don't understand what #include filename.h means (it means: first look in the current dir, and then look in the other system include dirs for filename.h), and, if your compiler actuall didn't allow you to compile the wrapper without the above change, then it also means that your C preprocessor doesn't understand it. That would be very strange -- what compiler are you using? (gcc 2.7.2.1-2 on my system seems to be OK). But, you are right in saying that I should replace the by in the source, the paper.h file isn't in the ./debian dir, so I can just as well use . change in debian/rules change: install root debian/setuid /usr/doc/gs/setuid to: install root debian/setuid debian/tmp/usr/doc/gs/setuid [..and more..] Wow that's serious! You really should have filed a bug when you discovered this! (and this once more underlies the need for the build stage to be done by ordinary users, not by root). I changed those (and the - one) in my sources, will probably be uploading new version soon. Thanks, -- joost witteveen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Use Debian/GNU Linux! -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ALT+CTRL+BS dangerous to X server
On Tue, 21 Jan 1997, Christian Lynbech wrote: Apparently, the keyboard combinbation of ALT+CTRL+Backspace is set up to kill the X server. Is there any way to rebind/remove this feature? It shadows the handy emacs function of backward-kill-sexp and I have just lost one too many session on this account. It's in your /etc/X11/XF86Config Section ServerFlags DontZap #disable CTRL-ALT-BKSPC server kill EmdSection If you have a Debian/stock XF86Config, it should already be there, just commented out with a # good luck, mike... Micro$oft, what do you want to spend today? -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word unsubscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
