date:20140924

El Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:54:46 +0200, Juan Guil escribió:

 agr
 Creo que no son formas de contestar a Camaleón.
 Creo que le estas faltando el respeto.

 ¿Mira tú?  Pues yo creo que no le esta faltando el respeto. Le esta
 diciendo lo que varios de aquí pensamos acerca de como se comporta
 esta niña o niño, ya ni sé.

(...)

¡Buf! ya estamos...

 Que cada uno conteste lo que quiera y que cada un diga lo que quiera!!
 y si a la amiga camaleona le gusta contestar y dar todo lujo de
 detalles, pues como decimos en el sur de España (olé su
 cojones!!!.. (Bueno lo que tenga :P)
 y si alguno le gusta contestar WTFM o man ls y (no me molestes), pues
 tambien!!
 
 asi que dejad de Criticarla y fartarle el respetoo...

Juan, te agradezco el capote :-) 

Llevo siempre encima a mi fiel Dardo (para quienes no estén 
familiarizados con el universo Tolkien diré que es una daga que brilla 
con ardor cuando detecta la presencia de orcos -y en este caso trolls-) y 
además, desde hace ya tiempo tengo filtrados a este tipo de fauna que 
pulula por la lista por lo que cuando leo algún comentario a través de 
mensajes de listeros que no tengo filtrados (como este correo tuyo) ya me 
las veo venir.

En fin, que la cosa no da para más, y Dardo me avisa cuando avista este 
tipo de comentarios que, curiosamente, comparten todos las mismas 
características.

Cómo detectar un troll (receta de nivel 3):

- No responden a preguntas técnicas, quizá por desconocimiento o porque 
temen meter la pata y no quieren que el resto de listeros les tengan en 
baja estima.

- Uso y abuso de continuos ataques personales, insultos, 
descalificaciones gratuitas, etc.

- Aprovechan cualquier ocasión para meter ruido sin aportar absolutamente 
nada a los hilos.

- Siempre usan la misma cantinela, seguramente porque carecen de un 
argumentario básico y eso de razonar como que no va con ellos.

En fin, que lo mejor que se puede hacer con un troll es sencillamente 
ignorarlo.

Saludos,

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Re: Problema en la validación de usuarios en Roundcube utilizando Postfix+Dovecot+LDAP sobre Debian 7

El Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:00:04 -0300, Diego H. Cancelo escribió:

El día 23 de septiembre de 2014, 11:12, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
escribió:
Pues en su página no dicen nada de los sistemas de autentificación que
admite, sólo mencionan el uso de bases de datos SQL pero no indican la
posibilidad de usar otros métodos alternativos (LDAP, sasldb, PAM...).

Echa un vistazo a esta página donde han configurado un sistema de
correo parecido al que tienes, a ver si te da alguna pista:

Installing a Mailserver with Postfix, Dovecot, SASL, LDAP Roundcube
http://acidx.net/wordpress/2014/06/installing-a-mailserver-with-postfix-dovecot-sasl-ldap-roundcube/

Gracias Camaleón.
Había rondado por esa página.
La verdad es que no dí con la solución... o sí, se vamos a lo práctico.
A mí me gusta instalar todo con la misma herramienta y desde los repos
oficiales, por lo que siempre uso aptitude; pero en este caso (después
de renegar mucho) no me quedo otra que desinstalar, bajar las fuentes de
http://roundcube.net/download/ y configurar. Acá salió andando a la
primera.

Vaya... sí, yo siempre intento instalar los paquetes desde los repos
oficiales, salvo las aplicaciones de Mozilla (Firefox y Thunderbird)
y LibreOffice que instalo desde los paquetes de la web oficial porque
se actualizan muy a menudo.

Si encuentro el error después de comparar mis archivos de config de una
y otra install lo comparto.

Entonces quizá se un problema del paquete de Debian... hum, mira, este
bug parece estar relacionado con el error que te daba:

[roundcube] can't modify identities since wheezy
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711904

Saludos,

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Re: [OFF-TOPIC] Bateria para ebook papyre 5.1

El Wed, 24 Sep 2014 01:30:10 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

 Hola buenas, estoy es un OFF-TOPIC como una catedral pero lo comento
 por aquí por si alguien puede iluminarme. El caso es que tengo este
 ebook:
 
 http://grammata.es/antiguos/38035/papyre-basico-5-1-negro.html
 
 La uso para estudiar pdf y el caso es que la tengo hace unos 5 años.
 La bateria no me duro ya nada, la he cambiado 2 veces...En la página
 oficial he llamado y ya no tienen en stock, y lo único que he oído es
 que soporta las baterías de nokia, las BL-4C
 
 He conseguido una tirando del baúl de los recuerdos, pero al quitar la
 batería original del ebook papyre, tiene un cable que va conectado
 desde la batería al ebook y claro la de nokia no lo tiene...

¿Puedes subir a algún lado una foto de la conexión que va de la batería 
al eBook? ¿Se trata de un cable soldado o lleva algún tipo de conector?

 Alguien puede darme alguna idea de qué podría hacer a parte de
 comprarme una más moderna y poder aprovechar esta?

Yo contactaría con su soporte técnico y les preguntaría por esa conexión, 
diles que quieres reemplazar la batería por una nueva y que necesitas 
saber cómo instalarla adecuadamente.

Saludos,

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Re: Imagen personalizada con live-build

El Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:22:47 -0300, Francisco Del Roio escribió:

 Estoy tratando de armarme una imagen personalizada de debian-live que
 contenga herramientas que iré añadiendo con el tiempo.
 
 Por momento, solo intento añadir dos paquetes en particular, pero no se
 porqué no quiere instalármelos en el sistema de archivos de la imagen...

(...)

No tengo mucha experiencia con la generación de estos sistemas pero lo 
primero que comprobaría es si esos paquetes que quieres instalar están 
accesibles para el generador de la imagen, es decir, si se trata de 
paquetes ubicados en los repos de Debian cuyo recurso has configurado 
previamente para que puedan ser localizados en los mirrors online o si se 
trata de paquetes de terceros de los que tienes que decirle al 
configurador dónde obtenerlos y dónde instalarlos en el sistema.

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Desconectar clientes ssh luego de 5 minutos de inactividad

2014-09-24 Thread ciracusa


Hola Grupo.

Estoy viendo que muchos usuarios dejan las ventanas de SSH abiertas (con 
un aplicativo) y muchas veces se van de sus puestos de trabajo 
quitándole la posibilidad a otros usuarios de conectarse.


De momento no he podido solucionar el problema de tener un máximo de 16 
ttys por lo que quisiera que si luego de pasados 5 minutos de inactivad 
el server de ssh desconecte a estos clientes.


Vi que el /etc/ssh/sshd_config tiene un parámetro Keepalive yes por lo 
que lo puse en no pero no encuentro donde manejar este tema claramente 
y podes establecer el tiempo que debe transcurrir para que la conexión 
se corte.


Alguien estuvo viendo algo de esto?

Muchas Gracias.

Saludos-


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Re: Desconectar clientes ssh luego de 5 minutos de inactividad

2014-09-24 Thread Gonzalo Rivero

El día 24 de septiembre de 2014, 11:36, ciracusa cirac...@gmail.com escribió:
 Hola Grupo.

 Estoy viendo que muchos usuarios dejan las ventanas de SSH abiertas (con un
 aplicativo) y muchas veces se van de sus puestos de trabajo quitándole la
 posibilidad a otros usuarios de conectarse.

 De momento no he podido solucionar el problema de tener un máximo de 16 ttys
 por lo que quisiera que si luego de pasados 5 minutos de inactivad el server
 de ssh desconecte a estos clientes.

 Vi que el /etc/ssh/sshd_config tiene un parámetro Keepalive yes por lo que
 lo puse en no pero no encuentro donde manejar este tema claramente y podes
 establecer el tiempo que debe transcurrir para que la conexión se corte.

 Alguien estuvo viendo algo de esto?

holas, nunca me lo planteé pero encontré esto:
http://blog.hwarf.com/2009/06/howto-set-sshd-idle-timeout.html


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Re: [Gutl-l] Ayuda urgente con iptables

2014-09-24 Thread Javier San Román

On Miércoles, 24 de septiembre de 2014 14:10:59 Juan Guil escribió:
 El día 24 de septiembre de 2014, 12:31, Javier San Román
 
  Así que,no  voy a ponerme a tu nivel faltándote el respeto como acabas
  de hacer.
  
  Y ya que me insultas insúltame con insultos universales en CASTELLANO,
  no con ese vocabulario ridículo que tenéis los Argentinos.
  
  Yo, que hablo castellano y he nacido en una zona primigenia de Castilla,
  podría decir lo mismo de los andaluces... pero no, no lo voy a decir.
  Pido disculpas en nombre de todos los que no pensamos como este...
  indivíduo. La diversidad del idioma siempre es positiva se hable en
  español argentino, andaluz, manchego, mejicano o cualquiera de sus
  variantes.
  
  No he visto ni una sola palabra que no sea español, si alguna que no
  utilizamos mucho aquí: pelotudez que es propia de algunos países
  sudamericanos, contemplada en el RAE y que todos entendemos; sos,
  presente del indicativo del verbo ser; ponete, imperativo del verbo
  poner.
 
 Javier San Roman, te lo digo de la forma mas castellanamente posible
 
 Comemela!!!

Está flojo tu castellano. Si lo que quieres decir es cómemela o comémela, 
mañana bajo para Almería y podemos quedar. Yo no pues no tengo esas aficiones, 
pero voy con un amiguito que, como indicas del palo que vas , te puede hacer 
un favor ya que te veo necesitado. Te dejará satisfecho, por delante y por 
detrás. ¡Esto puede ser el comienzo de una intempestuosa relación! 
¡Piénsatelo!.

 
 Pido Disculpas a todos los argentinos y a todos los que se hayan
 sentido ofendido con mis comentarios, no fue esa mi intencion.

Sí que fue.

 
 Javier San Roman
 
 Comemela Otravez!!

Tu castellano empeora por momentos.

 
 Firmado Er indivuduo andalú

Más de lo mismo.


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Re: Desconectar clientes ssh luego de 5 minutos de inactividad

2014-09-24 Thread ciracusa


On 24/09/14 11:48, Gonzalo Rivero wrote:

El día 24 de septiembre de 2014, 11:36, ciracusacirac...@gmail.com  escribió:
   

Hola Grupo.

Estoy viendo que muchos usuarios dejan las ventanas de SSH abiertas (con un
aplicativo) y muchas veces se van de sus puestos de trabajo quitándole la
posibilidad a otros usuarios de conectarse.

De momento no he podido solucionar el problema de tener un máximo de 16 ttys
por lo que quisiera que si luego de pasados 5 minutos de inactivad el server
de ssh desconecte a estos clientes.

Vi que el /etc/ssh/sshd_config tiene un parámetro Keepalive yes por lo que
lo puse en no pero no encuentro donde manejar este tema claramente y podes
establecer el tiempo que debe transcurrir para que la conexión se corte.

Alguien estuvo viendo algo de esto?

 

holas, nunca me lo planteé pero encontré esto:
http://blog.hwarf.com/2009/06/howto-set-sshd-idle-timeout.html


   

Gonzalo, gracias por tu respuesta.

Te comento que había probado con esas líneas y no funcionaba.

ClientAliveInterval 60
ClientAliveCountMax 1

La cuestión, al menos en mi caso, era poner ClientAliveCountMax en 0 y 
ahí comenzó a funcionar.


ClientAliveInterval 60
ClientAliveCountMax 0

Por otro lado, por si alguien puede aportar algo al hilo comento que el 
archivo sshd_config tiene un parámetro llamado KeepAlive que estando 
en yes o no no cambia el funcionamiento de lo que me decías, por eso 
no se que función cumple.


Muchas Gracias!



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Re: Desconectar clientes ssh luego de 5 minutos de inactividad

2014-09-24 Thread Domingo Varela Yahuitl

TMOUT=300

En el bash profile de cada usuario

Enviado desde mi dispositivo android.

-Original Message-
From: ciracusa cirac...@gmail.com
To: Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com, Lista Debian 
debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org
Sent: mié, 24 sep 2014 10:14
Subject: Re: Desconectar clientes ssh luego de 5 minutos de inactividad

On 24/09/14 11:48, Gonzalo Rivero wrote:
 El día 24 de septiembre de 2014, 11:36, ciracusacirac...@gmail.com  
 escribió:

 Hola Grupo.

 Estoy viendo que muchos usuarios dejan las ventanas de SSH abiertas (con un
 aplicativo) y muchas veces se van de sus puestos de trabajo quitándole la
 posibilidad a otros usuarios de conectarse.

 De momento no he podido solucionar el problema de tener un máximo de 16 ttys
 por lo que quisiera que si luego de pasados 5 minutos de inactivad el server
 de ssh desconecte a estos clientes.

 Vi que el /etc/ssh/sshd_config tiene un parámetro Keepalive yes por lo que
 lo puse en no pero no encuentro donde manejar este tema claramente y podes
 establecer el tiempo que debe transcurrir para que la conexión se corte.

 Alguien estuvo viendo algo de esto?

 holas, nunca me lo planteé pero encontré esto:
 http://blog.hwarf.com/2009/06/howto-set-sshd-idle-timeout.html

Gonzalo, gracias por tu respuesta.

Te comento que había probado con esas líneas y no funcionaba.

ClientAliveInterval 60
ClientAliveCountMax 1

La cuestión, al menos en mi caso, era poner ClientAliveCountMax en 0 y 
ahí comenzó a funcionar.

ClientAliveInterval 60
ClientAliveCountMax 0

Por otro lado, por si alguien puede aportar algo al hilo comento que el 
archivo sshd_config tiene un parámetro llamado KeepAlive que estando 
en yes o no no cambia el funcionamiento de lo que me decías, por eso 
no se que función cumple.

Muchas Gracias!

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Re: [Gutl-l] Ayuda urgente con iptables

2014-09-24 Thread Felix Perez

El día 23 de septiembre de 2014, 13:54, Juan Guil erj...@gmail.com escribió:

agr
Creo que no son formas de contestar a Camaleón.
Creo que le estas faltando el respeto.

¿Mira tú? Pues yo creo que no le esta faltando el respeto. Le esta
diciendo lo que varios de aquí pensamos acerca de como se comporta
esta niña o niño, ya ni sé.

Pues sabes lo que pienso:
Que soys todos todos unos p... Envidiosos!!
Os da envidia que Doña Camaleona sepa mas de Linux y de debian mas que
todos los que la criticais juntos!!
Lo digo, porque me pasaba lo mismo, al principio me chocaba, que
siempre conteste todo, pero es por eso,la criticamos porque le
tenemos envidia!! (Y yo me incluyo)
Reconocerlo, y callad!! Camaleón sabe!!

Nadie discute que sepa. Eso no esta en duda.

Asi que dejad a Camaleona que diga lo que le de la gana y como le de
la gana! y dejadla de criticar ya hombre!!!
Si le gusta dar las cosas bien hechas!! ¿Que le vamos hacer)?y encima,
con eso aprendemos todos, a que viene tanto criticarla!!

Pues hay otros lugares para eso, y por último que le pregunten al
privado, esta no es la lista de camaleón y que ella conteste al
privado.

Yo creo que porque le guste ayudar, no esta quebrantando ninguna regla
ni jode a la lista ni nada de eso. Es mas pienso que algunas reglas
que hay en esta lista de correos, la inventó, algun Guru Linuxero
reprimido que seguro que se creia superior y no podia permitirse el
lujo de contetstar cosas Basicas...

Por favor lee las normas de la lista y de pasada la netiquetta.

Que cada uno conteste lo que quiera y que cada un diga lo que quiera!!
y si a la amiga camaleona le gusta contestar y dar todo lujo de
detalles, pues como decimos en el sur de España (olé su
cojones!!!.. (Bueno lo que tenga :P)

Pues por acá decimos que se deje de h...r que no es su casa.

y si alguno le gusta contestar WTFM o man ls y (no me molestes), pues
tambien!!

asi que dejad de Criticarla y fartarle el respetoo...

Vaya manera de exigir respeto.

Que lastima, pensaba que no era contagioso, pero me equivoque. Es
sumamente contagioso.

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Re: [Gutl-l] Ayuda urgente con iptables

2014-09-24 Thread Felix Perez

El día 24 de septiembre de 2014, 5:35, Juan Guil erj...@gmail.com escribió:
 por favor deja de dar ordenes


 Mira Angel Claudio,
 Eres con diferencia de los demás en este lista el que mas falta el
 respeto, y escribes mas para criticar que para aportar soluciones.
 (Ya lo has hecho en mas de una ocasión)
 Y no, mi intención no es dar ordenes como dices, es simplemente
 pedir que se tenga respeto a los demás.
 Así que,no  voy a ponerme a tu nivel faltándote el respeto como acabas de 
 hacer.

 Y ya que me insultas insúltame con insultos universales en CASTELLANO,
 no con ese vocabulario ridículo que tenéis los Argentinos.


Otro más con complejo de superioridad.

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Re: Desconectar clientes ssh luego de 5 minutos de inactividad

2014-09-24 Thread Mario Tello


El 2014-09-24 10:09, ciracusa escribió:

On 24/09/14 11:48, Gonzalo Rivero wrote:
El día 24 de septiembre de 2014, 11:36, ciracusacirac...@gmail.com  
escribió:



Hola Grupo.

Estoy viendo que muchos usuarios dejan las ventanas de SSH abiertas 
(con un
aplicativo) y muchas veces se van de sus puestos de trabajo 
quitándole la

posibilidad a otros usuarios de conectarse.

De momento no he podido solucionar el problema de tener un máximo de 
16 ttys
por lo que quisiera que si luego de pasados 5 minutos de inactivad el 
server

de ssh desconecte a estos clientes.

Vi que el /etc/ssh/sshd_config tiene un parámetro Keepalive yes por 
lo que
lo puse en no pero no encuentro donde manejar este tema claramente 
y podes
establecer el tiempo que debe transcurrir para que la conexión se 
corte.


Alguien estuvo viendo algo de esto?



holas, nunca me lo planteé pero encontré esto:
http://blog.hwarf.com/2009/06/howto-set-sshd-idle-timeout.html


   Gonzalo, gracias por tu respuesta.


Te comento que había probado con esas líneas y no funcionaba.

ClientAliveInterval 60
ClientAliveCountMax 1

La cuestión, al menos en mi caso, era poner ClientAliveCountMax en 0
y ahí comenzó a funcionar.



Intervalo de tiempo

ClientAliveInterval 60


Veces que debe cumplirse el intervalo de timpo para que aplique


ClientAliveCountMax 0


Con la configuración default ClientAliveCountMax toma el valor de 3 y 
estableciendo ClientAliveInterval 60, esto significaria que aplicaria 
despues de 180.


Saludos




Por otro lado, por si alguien puede aportar algo al hilo comento que
el archivo sshd_config tiene un parámetro llamado KeepAlive que
estando en yes o no no cambia el funcionamiento de lo que me
decías, por eso no se que función cumple.

Muchas Gracias!



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Re: Desconectar clientes ssh luego de 5 minutos de inactividad

2014-09-24 Thread Santiago Vila

Aparte de lo que se está comentando, también te puede interesar el
paquete autolog:

Description: Terminates connections for idle users
 Autolog terminates connections considered to be idle based on a large
 variety of parameters.


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Re: Imagen personalizada con live-build

2014-09-24 Thread Haylem Candelario Bauzá

Te recomiendo que pruebes isoboot un programa libre que he realizado
recientemente. Primero hice el isocrea pero la nueva versión se llama
isoboot, en resumen, después que instalas el sistema y  le pones los
programas en el día a día al igual que el fondo y todas las
configuraciones, te hace un iso de todo eso booteable con instalador y
todo en modo texto.
lo puedes descargar de aquí 

http://gutl.jovenclub.cu/isoboot-haga-sus-live-cds-de-forma-eficiente/



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Comando wc -c cuenta mal los caracteres

2014-09-24 Thread Debia Linux

Debianeros, debianitas o como sea:

Trato de contar las letras de una palabra y ejecuto a la perfeccion el
comando wc pero siempre cuenta un caracter de mas, ej.

El archivo tirar.txt solo contiene la siguiente palabra.

hola

Por tanto ejecuto:

 wc -c tirar.txt

 5 tirar

La palabra solo tiene 4 letras ¿Porque me dice que son 5?. Estoy casi
seguro que esta contando un salto de linea (que no existe).

Esto puedo resolverlo, si uso algun otro comando, pero entonces ¿Para
que uso wc?

Ya lei el manual

man wc y me dice que asi se hace

  wc -5

Alguien me puede decir que pasa?. ¿Como puedo resolver esto? ¿Algun
comando que si cuente bien los caracteres?.

Gracias


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Re: Comando wc -c cuenta mal los caracteres

2014-09-24 Thread Debia Linux

Sorry a todos ya LEI BIEN, me dice que con la siguiente orden.

wc -L tirar

Asunto resuelto

Gracias

2014-09-24 22:28 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com:
 Debianeros, debianitas o como sea:

 Trato de contar las letras de una palabra y ejecuto a la perfeccion el
 comando wc pero siempre cuenta un caracter de mas, ej.

 El archivo tirar.txt solo contiene la siguiente palabra.

 hola

 Por tanto ejecuto:

  wc -c tirar.txt

  5 tirar

 La palabra solo tiene 4 letras ¿Porque me dice que son 5?. Estoy casi
 seguro que esta contando un salto de linea (que no existe).

 Esto puedo resolverlo, si uso algun otro comando, pero entonces ¿Para
 que uso wc?

 Ya lei el manual

 man wc y me dice que asi se hace

   wc -5

 Alguien me puede decir que pasa?. ¿Como puedo resolver esto? ¿Algun
 comando que si cuente bien los caracteres?.

 Gracias


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Re: Comando wc -c cuenta mal los caracteres

2014-09-24 Thread Antonio Insuasti Recalde

El día 24 de septiembre de 2014, 22:30, Debia Linux
debianer...@gmail.com escribió:
Sorry a todos ya LEI BIEN, me dice que con la siguiente orden.

wc -L tirar

Asunto resuelto

Gracias

2014-09-24 22:28 GMT-05:00 Debia Linux debianer...@gmail.com:
Debianeros, debianitas o como sea:

Trato de contar las letras de una palabra y ejecuto a la perfeccion el
comando wc pero siempre cuenta un caracter de mas, ej.

El archivo tirar.txt solo contiene la siguiente palabra.

hola

Por tanto ejecuto:

wc -c tirar.txt

5 tirar

La palabra solo tiene 4 letras ¿Porque me dice que son 5?. Estoy casi
seguro que esta contando un salto de linea (que no existe).

Esto puedo resolverlo, si uso algun otro comando, pero entonces ¿Para
que uso wc?

Ya lei el manual

man wc y me dice que asi se hace

wc -5

Alguien me puede decir que pasa?. ¿Como puedo resolver esto? ¿Algun
comando que si cuente bien los caracteres?.

Gracias

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jajajja una vez en un curso con CentOs se me ocurrio usar el
install.log para enseñar comandos relacionados con textos y edición de
textos, resulta que con vim contaba mas lineas que con wc -l en ese
momento me toca explicar el porque, y fue que wc -l cuenta los EOL
(end of line) y la ultima linea del install.log no tiene EOL

ten encuenta eso si vas hacer un script que cuente lineas

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RE: [Gutl-l] Ayuda urgente con iptables

2014-09-24 Thread William Romero



 Mira Angel Claudio,
 Eres con diferencia de los demás en este lista el que mas falta el
 respeto, y escribes mas para criticar que para aportar soluciones.
 (Ya lo has hecho en mas de una ocasión)
 Y no, mi intención no es dar ordenes como dices, es simplemente
 pedir que se tenga respeto a los demás.
 Así que,no voy a ponerme a tu nivel faltándote el respeto como acabas de 
 hacer.

 Y ya que me insultas insúltame con insultos universales en CASTELLANO,
 no con ese vocabulario ridículo que tenéis los Argentinos.


 Otro más con complejo de superioridad.

 Angel Claudio.

Es uno de los mas peleles que hay en esta lista solo busca ridicualizar a la 
gente en cual se vanea de estar en lo permitido de decir lo que dice , es 
posible que esta lista sea de EL.

simple tonto y riculo payaso que seas de  Argentina y de mas pais son todos 
hermanos y no por un mal elemento criticaremos su lexico poco fluido carencinte 
de nivel , mmm digamos etico , porque es lo unico que aporta por no decir nada.

tenemos muchos problemas con la lista por diversos temas en realidad pero si 
vamos a empezar por algo seria el respecto los unos a otros , me incluyo pues 
este Sindrome Angel Claqueta, me saco de mis casillas.

saludos a todos y un banhammer para AC.

WRC 



WRC 
  

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Re: DPN

2014-09-24 Thread Rolf Edlund

Den 23 september 2014 21:19 skrev Andreas Rönnquist mailingli...@gusnan.se:
 Det har kommit mer information på sändlistan debian-release (och
 några andra sändlistor) - det verkar som om 7.7 kommer släppas helgen
 18/19 Oktober.

Du ska ha stort tack för den nya infon Andreas. Sånt upskattas!

Synd bara att man ska behöva vänta en hel månad.. :)

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Gnome 3.14 eller Xfce 4.12

2014-09-24 Thread Rolf Edlund

Idag är det ju meningen att Gnome 3.14 ska släppas. Hoppas det inte
blir samma typ av testversion, som jag tycker Gnome har varit efter
3.4. Men det jag hört om 3.14, så låter det iaf väldigt lovande

Läste att 3.14 kommer att läggas in i Sid/Unstable. Men om det kommer
ske någon av dom närmaste dagarna, vet jag inte.

Själv väntar jag fortfarande på att Xfce 4.12 ska släppas. Undrar om
jag om en år, fortfarande kommer att vänta.. :).

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Ferramenta para medir TCP_HIT - Squid.

2014-09-24 Thread Cássio Elias


Galera, uma boa tarde!!!

Alguém conhece alguma ferramenta que gere estatísticas sobre os TCP_HIT 
do squid?


Creio que exista alguma, pois lembro uma vez que ví isso, só não lembro 
qual ferramenta é..


Gostaria de saber a porcentagem de TCP_HIT em relação a de TCP_MISS aqui 
do meu squid?


Alguma ferramenta ou sugestão?

Att,
Cássio Elias.

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Re: Ferramenta para medir TCP_HIT - Squid.

2014-09-24 Thread Paulino Kenji Sato

2014-09-24 11:57 GMT-03:00 Cássio Elias cassioel...@corples.com.br:

 Galera, uma boa tarde!!!

 Alguém conhece alguma ferramenta que gere estatísticas sobre os TCP_HIT do
 squid?

 Creio que exista alguma, pois lembro uma vez que ví isso, só não lembro
 qual ferramenta é..

 Gostaria de saber a porcentagem de TCP_HIT em relação a de TCP_MISS aqui
 do meu squid?

 Alguma ferramenta ou sugestão?

 Att,
 Cássio Elias.


Ola,
o sarg gera essa informação no relatório como in-cache-out (hit - miss).
Ou pode obter essa informação direto do squid acessando a pagina de
gerenciamento, com o comando:
squidclient mgr:info

Necessário liberar o ALC do manager .

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Re: Inconsistência(s)/bugs em pacote(s) no Jessie

2014-09-24 Thread Listeiro 037


Pensei que fosse mais simples. Acho que vou ter que alterar o script do
pacote .deb na raça prá remover essa encrenca do lilypond-doc
manualmente desse estado de limbo.


Em Mon, 22 Sep 2014 10:16:32 -0300
Magno Malkut mgnmig...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Irei testar na minha máquina virtual, e lhe respondo.
 
 Em segunda-feira, 22 de setembro de 2014, Listeiro 037 
 listeiro_...@yahoo.com.br escreveu:
 
 
  Saudações.
 
  Tem um pacote do Debian Jessie chamado lilypond-doc-2.18 que consta
  com a marca H no aptitude. Não instala e nem desinstala no apt,
  dselect ou aptitude. Atrapalha as outras operações de instalação.
  Eu ia marcar como bug lá no histórico de bugs relatados, mas não
  sei se é reproduzível em outras máquinas. Pacote com
  inconsistência. Esse bug aparece em mais alguém com Jessie?
 
  Aproveitando, um simulador de rede chamado marionnet também possui
  problemas. Ele precisa de alguns downloads feitos com um script
  chamado marionnet_from_scratch (Mandriva e Debian Sid) para simular
  hosts com o kernel em user-mode ou alguma adaptação inventada no
  Debian. Daí ele funcionaria.
 
  Outro bug ocorre num front-end de gravação de mídias chamado de
  simmpleburn. Simplesmente ocorre um erro ao se clicar em um botão e
  ele fecha dando 'segmentation fault'.
 
  Então, bugs reproduzíveis?
 
 
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Re: Problem with SSH host keys

2014-09-24 Thread shawn wilson

On Sep 23, 2014 6:44 PM, Keith Lawson ke...@nowhere.ca wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 04:45:50PM -0400, shawn wilson wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Keith Lawson ke...@nowhere.ca wrote:
   Hello,
  
   I'm running jessie on my laptop and after doing a dist-upgrade
yesterday I'm
   getting SSH host key errors for a bunch of servers I've been
connecting to
   for years:
  
 
  IDK this has anything to do with the problem you're seeing (unless you
  have something wacky with your ~/.ssh - like it symlinked to /etc/ssh
  or something). So, I'll just go on the assumption that this is
  coincidence...
 
   The authenticity of host 'blah' can't be established.
   RSA key fingerprint is
e8:08:db:b0:e7:38:57:d4:82:a8:a4:1c:42:f0:25:09.
   Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
  
   The host keys are in ~/.ssh/known_hosts and haven't changed on the
server
   side. Looking at the openssl, openssh-server and openssh-client
change logs
   I don't see anything that would explain this behavior. Is anyone
aware of
   any changes in openssh-client in jessie that would cause certain
server keys
   that were previously working to be invalid?
  
 
  The host keys are in known_hosts, but are the proper keys (the one you
  listed above - see ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.puh on
  the server) listed there? Does your user own the file and is it mod
  660 or less? Are you logging into the server you think you are (did
  you typo an ip in your ssh_config or is someone mitm you)?
 

 Time stamps on the keys on the server haven't changed and the key
fingerprint on the server matches what's getting offered to the client. I
use aliases like alias hostname='ssh ke...@hostaname.com' so typos are
out of the question. Still stumped on what changed and when we're talking
SSH keys that makes me nervous.


You didn't answer most of the above, so I'll just assume you've found that
not to be an issue ... I guess the main way I debug SSH is to login out of
band and look at both the client and server logs.

You're aware of ssh_config? And that you can define the username to use for
an arbitrary hostname to connect to a real ip? Basically doing the same
thing your aliases do (but better). If you're going to add functionality to
SSH, do it with functions so you have better control of what happens to
parameters.

Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Ma, 23 sep 14, 19:48:38, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:10:22 +0100
 Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com
 wrote:
 
  http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html
 
 Very, very nice, Jonathan! I'd be a lot happier person had the Debian
 crew had selected nosh as PID 1 and the daemon manager, and had various
 daemons manage interprogram linkages.

It doesn't seem ready for prime time to me and you seem to be 
misunderstanding about how things in Debian work. Let me try to explain 
it:

1. some person likes/uses/writes a particular software and decides to 
package it for Debian. The package is accepted in Debian provided it 
complies to Policy, DFSG, integrates nicely, etc.

2. if there are multiple packages providing similar functionality a 
default *might* be designated by any or a combination of:
   - quality (of the upstream software and the Debian package)
   - popularity
   - integration
   - features
   - upstream cooperation
   - etc.

Having such decisions escalated to the Technical Committee is quite rare 
as generally such decisions are agreed upon between the corresponding 
Maintainers. See for example the switch from syslog to rsyslog a few 
releases ago.

One major reason OpenRC was more or less disqualified in comparison to 
upstart and systemd was that the package was still not quite ready at 
the time of evaluation by the Technical Committee. Both upstart and 
systemd had been in Debian for quite some time already.

In hindsight I think upstart might have replaced sysvinit possibly even 
for wheezy had its Maintainers allowed co-installation with sysvinit and 
simple testing with init=whatever as the systemd Maintainers did.

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Re: Power Mac G4 stuck Loading second stage bootstrap

2014-09-24 Thread Rick Thomas


On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:27 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tuesday 23 September 2014 11:32:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
 On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:55:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
 Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray in
 order to boot from it.  Here’s the trick:
 
 Don't Macs have paper-clip holes?  (Genuine question - I haven't got access
 to a Mac.)
 
 Just STFW and found the answer.  Yes, they do.
 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2285
 quote
 If you are unable to eject a disc through the traditional methods (for
 example; dragging the disc icon to the Trash, or in the case of bootable CDs,
 holding down the mouse button upon restarting your iMac) you should try to
 eject the disc manually. Insert a blunt object, such as the end of a paper
 clip, into the manual eject hole. For complete instructions on using the
 manual eject button, refer to article 58465: iMac (Slot Loading): How to
 Eject a CD.
 /quote
 
 Why not try it before going in for such a complicated procedure?  The 
 computer
 doesn't even have to be running!
 
 Lisi
 
 Some models do, some don't. You found one that did.
 
 My Mac Mini doesn't.
 
 I'm looking at that G5 that Rick linked to and thinking it may well not.
 
 -- 
 Joel Rees

Yup… In the big aluminum G5 Macs, the front of the drive and any buttons or 
pinholes it might have are completely covered up with the aluminum door that 
protects it from the environment.

Joel is right… Some do, some don’t.  Bruno’s doesn’t — hence the complicated 
work-around.

Rick

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Re: DNS Resolution and Short Names with Dots

2014-09-24 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen

Hi

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 05:46:29PM -0400, Mark Kamichoff wrote:
 Hi -
 
 I've been running into somewhat inconsistent behavior with DNS short
 name resolution in Debian across a few systems.
 
 Here's the behavior that I've occasionally relied on over the years:
 
 % cat /etc/resolv.conf
 search example.com
 nameserver 192.0.2.10
 % host foo.bar.baz.example.com.
 foo.bar.baz.example.com has address 192.0.2.1
 foo.bar.baz.example.com has IPv6 address 2001:db8::1
 % host foo.bar.baz
 foo.bar.baz.example.com has address 192.0.2.1
 foo.bar.baz.example.com has IPv6 address 2001:db8::1
 
 Basically, I expect the search suffix to always be appended to the label
 unless a trailing . (ie, fully-qualified) is the last character.
 
 I don't know if it was a glibc upgrade or something else but on a few of
 my Debian systems (combination of i386 and x86_64) I now cannot resolve
 any short names that have a dot in them.  So, the above example now
 returns:
 
 % cat /etc/resolv.conf
 search example.com
 nameserver 192.0.2.10
 % host foo.bar.baz.example.com.
 foo.bar.baz.example.com has address 192.0.2.1
 foo.bar.baz.example.com has IPv6 address 2001:db8::1
 % host foo.bar.baz
 Host foo.bar.baz not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
 
 However, something this will still succeed:
 
 % host www
 www.example.com has address 192.0.2.2
 www.example.com has IPv6 address 2001:db8::2

So... it looks like the number of dots in the query matter

Perhaps one of the recent libc upgrades have changed the default for
'ndots' ?

If so, according to a quick scan of the resolv.conf(5) manual page you
should be able add this to /etc/resolv.conf to get your old behaviour back:

   options ndots:3

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Re: Problem with SSH host keys

2014-09-24 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 03:59:56PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
 On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, Keith Lawson wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 01:26:36PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
   Do you all of the ip addresses and hostnames listed for those keys in
   known_hosts?
  
  These are all servers I've been connecting to for years so I should
  have their IP and host keys.
 
 Because the entries in known_hosts are hashed by default, it's not
 trivial to determine this.
 
 If you've changed DNS resolution slightly, or if they now reverse to
 different names, or you now can connect via IPv6, or the IP addresses
 have changed, you will see this warning.
 
 This is one of the reasons why I (and Debian itself) don't use hashed
 known hosts for machines.

Another good reason not to hash the known_hosts file: bash command
completion - after ssh or scp the bash command completion will use
~/.ssh/known_hosts to suggest/complete hosts. Brilliant stuff.

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Re: Power Mac G4 stuck Loading second stage bootstrap

2014-09-24 Thread Lisi Reisz

On Wednesday 24 September 2014 08:53:04 Rick Thomas wrote:
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:27 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Tuesday 23 September 2014 11:32:59 Lisi Reisz wrote:
  On Tuesday 23 September 2014 09:55:36 Rick Thomas wrote:
  Without a working OS, you will need to find a way to eject the CD tray
  in order to boot from it.  Here’s the trick:
 
  Don't Macs have paper-clip holes?  (Genuine question - I haven't got
  access to a Mac.)
 
  Just STFW and found the answer.  Yes, they do.
 
  http://support.apple.com/kb/ht2285
  quote
  If you are unable to eject a disc through the traditional methods (for
  example; dragging the disc icon to the Trash, or in the case of bootable
  CDs, holding down the mouse button upon restarting your iMac) you should
  try to eject the disc manually. Insert a blunt object, such as the end
  of a paper clip, into the manual eject hole. For complete instructions
  on using the manual eject button, refer to article 58465: iMac (Slot
  Loading): How to Eject a CD.
  /quote
 
  Why not try it before going in for such a complicated procedure?  The
  computer doesn't even have to be running!
 
  Lisi
 
  Some models do, some don't. You found one that did.
 
  My Mac Mini doesn't.
 
  I'm looking at that G5 that Rick linked to and thinking it may well not.
 
  --
  Joel Rees

 Yup… In the big aluminum G5 Macs, the front of the drive and any buttons or
 pinholes it might have are completely covered up with the aluminum door
 that protects it from the environment.

 Joel is right… Some do, some don’t.  Bruno’s doesn’t — hence the
 complicated work-around.

Thanks.

Lisi


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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:58:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 True, it's a single point of failure, but it's made by GNU, whose
 agenda is less harmful to Linux than the agenda of Redhat.

I nearly choked on my coffee reading that. Redhat built their business on
Linux; GNU have been hostile towards it for years.


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Re: syslog messages flooding the console

2014-09-24 Thread Darac Marjal

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 05:55:22PM -0700, John Magolske wrote:
 After a recent `aptitude dist-upgrade` I'm getting syslog messages
 flooding the console, pages  pages of Asset Found stuff like:
 
 Message from syslogd@mymachine at Sep 23 13:46:11 ...
 ... Asset Found:  IP Address - 16.20.3.0 / MAC Address - 
 0:00:00:00:00:00#012[*]
 Asset Found:  IP Address - 26.20.3.0 / MAC Address - 0:00:00:00:00:00#012[*]
 Asset Found:  IP Address - 34.20.3.0 / MAC Address - 0:00:00:00:00:00#012[*] 
 ...

According to a search
(http://codesearch.debian.net/search?q=Asset+Found), these messages come
from pads (which apt describes as standing for Passive Asset Detection
System). I would suggest trying the following:
 * Review the documentation to see if there's a quiet mode
 * See if the output can be logged directly to a file instead of syslog
 * See if the priority of the syslog messages can be reduced.

I suspect the program is logging with an emergency or similar priority
and your syslogd is helpfully forwarding that to the console (because
you typically DO want those high-priority messages sent to someone).

 
 In the past when issues like this came up I edited /etc/sysctl.conf
 and un-commented the kernel.printk line like so:
 
 # Uncomment the following to stop low-level messages on console
 kernel.printk = 3 4 1 3
 
 then reloaded with:
 
 sysctl -p
 
 which did the trick...until now. So I also tried (as root):
 
 dmesg -n 1
 echo dmesg -n 1  /etc/init.d/rc.local
 
 Also tried kernel.printk=1 per the following:
 
  Put kernel.printk=1 in /etc/sysctl.d/99-sysctl.conf.
 
  Does this mean that the messages were not coming via systemd?
 
  They were coming from the kernel onto the console. systemd(-journald)
  was/is logging them.
 https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=186108
 
 All to no avail...still those Asset Found messages barfed all over
 the screen from time to time. Any suggestions as to how this might be
 fixed?
 
 This is on Debian Sid, and I do have systemd-shim installed.
 
 Regards,
 
 John
 
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Re: Problem with SSH host keys

2014-09-24 Thread shawn wilson

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Karl E. Jorgensen
k...@jorgensen.org.uk wrote:

 Another good reason not to hash the known_hosts file: bash command
 completion - after ssh or scp the bash command completion will use
 ~/.ssh/known_hosts to suggest/complete hosts. Brilliant stuff.


Weird the ssh host completion that zsh (or maybe it's something in
omz) has seems to handle it fine. It seems to work with ssh (not very
well with remote commands though), scp (I don't use it much), and
rsync (though there are some quoting issues with globing - I was
working on making that work, but got side tracked).

That said, I plan to split up my known_hosts using the
UserKnownHostsFile option Don pointed out as I'm now at 100 lines.
Not much of an issue since ssh tells me what line is the issue and if
I know something has changed (ie, most of my hosts now use ed25519) I
open up vim and ##gdd:wq and than verify the new fingerprint. But,
that would just be much cleaner.


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cron in UTC?

2014-09-24 Thread Tony van der Hoff

Greetings,

I carry my wheezy laptop over various timezones, and my VPS with which
it communicates is on the Europe/London zone, which uses DST.

The result of this is that cron tasks, which are triggered by localtime
become unsynchronised, and only by arranging the task times very
carefully can I ensure that they're run in the right order across hosts.
This is not very satisfactory.

It occurs to me that Cron should have a config option to select the
timezone in which it operates, regardless of the the localtime setting.
Searching around, this doesn't seem to exist.

An alternative, found by googling, appears to be to wrap cron in a
script, satting TZ=UTC. I guess this would not be update-proof.

Has anyone here found any other solutions, or have any suggestions, please?

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Question about the driver of wifi-card

2014-09-24 Thread corvuscorax

Hello! I have trouble in installing driver of my wifi card..
(My computer is DELL Inpiron 14 5000 Series, the Os is debian 3.16.2. The 
wifi card should be Intel AC 3160..I think)

I can't see my wifi card by using lspci ,
it just shows 02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Device 08b3 (rev 
83)

And iwconfig shows:
eth0  no wireless extensions.
lono wireless extensions.

I download the driver iwlwifi-3160-8.ucode, and cp it into /lib/firmware. 
However, I think it doesn't work
I have checked the hotplug, it was chosen in kernel-config. What's more , my 
USB can be recognized easily.

Any suggestion?

near-future systemd alternatives

2014-09-24 Thread Dan Ritter

Some systemd alternatives of which I recently became aware:

nosh: a daemontools-style init replacement, with Debian Wheezy
packaging, BSD compatibility, and systemd conversion.

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html


uselessd: a systemd fork that attempts to drop the more invasive
features, such as the binary journal and incorporation of udev,
mount, cron, ntp, dhcpcd...

http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/



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Re: Problem with SSH host keys

2014-09-24 Thread Jochen Spieker

shawn wilson:
 
 That said, I plan to split up my known_hosts using the
 UserKnownHostsFile option Don pointed out as I'm now at 100 lines.
 Not much of an issue since ssh tells me what line is the issue and if
 I know something has changed (ie, most of my hosts now use ed25519) I
 open up vim and ##gdd:wq and than verify the new fingerprint. But,
 that would just be much cleaner.

You can also use 'ssh-keygen -R host-or-ip-address' to remove hosts
from the known_hosts file.

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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-24 Thread Reco

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 09:30:22AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:58:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
  True, it's a single point of failure, but it's made by GNU, whose
  agenda is less harmful to Linux than the agenda of Redhat.
 
 I nearly choked on my coffee reading that. Redhat built their business on
 Linux; GNU have been hostile towards it for years.

And the most interesting thing is that for many years glibc was
maintained by Ulrich Stop Reopening Drepper who was paid by Red Hat
for this task :)
Glibc maintainer style was the main reason of glibc → eglibc transition
in Debian.

Reco


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security camera software

I need to set up a couple usb cameras to record video based on motion 
detection.  I prefer ease of setup to a large feature set, since this is 
expected to be only temporary.  I want to only record when there is motion, so 
I don't have hours of footage to search through.

A quick search shows recommendations for a package called 'motion'.  Does 
anybody here have any experience with that, or can anybody recommend something 
better?

-Rob


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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-24 Thread Joel Rees

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 09:30:22AM +0100, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:58:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
  True, it's a single point of failure, but it's made by GNU, whose
  agenda is less harmful to Linux than the agenda of Redhat.

 I nearly choked on my coffee reading that. Redhat built their business on
 Linux; GNU have been hostile towards it for years.

 And the most interesting thing is that for many years glibc was
 maintained by Ulrich Stop Reopening Drepper who was paid by Red Hat
 for this task :)
 Glibc maintainer style was the main reason of glibc → eglibc transition
 in Debian.

Just for fun, I did a search on gnu vs. redhat.

One of the more amusing links that popped up:

http://www.informit.com/library/content.aspx?b=red_hat_linux7seqNum=12

Irony abounds.

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Suggestions? A small webserver for file upload

2014-09-24 Thread Ron Leach


List, good afternoon,

What package would list members suggest for a small webserver that 
would enable co-workers to upload files to us?


We exchange files with people we work with through email and 
attachments - that normally works well.  During a recent weekend, a 
co-worker's email service failed and we were unable to receive several 
files.  Fortunately, their email outage was repaired in 6 hours so we 
didn't lose too much time.  During the outage I did look around for 
possible solutions and determined that we'd prefer to have:


(i) our own webserver, preferably simple to set up and operate
(ii) able to present a few simple unscripted 'about us' type of pages
(ii) a file upload facility, but with some important (to us) 
restrictions, including:
  (a) access for upload only after entry of pre-assigned username and 
password
  (b) file upload into a nominated-by-us directory by that logged-in 
user, and with write-only permissions, if that were possible, so that 
any access breach through another method would not enable access to 
any uploaded files
  (c) access by us to all uploaded files, for inspection and 
subsequent transferring to appropriate file-system users or directories
  (d) file upload facility to be able to be disabled by us - this 
would be the normal state - and enabled solely on emergency occasions 
such as counter-party email failures


As I understand it (I've previously prepared a few simple webpages so 
have a rudimentary understanding of HTML) we would need a script to 
perform the upload.  A package that provided some scripting ability 
would be helpful, most especially if the package documentation would 
also cover the scripting aspects, that would be very helpful.  Though 
there are alternative well-known methods of providing remote file 
upload, most of our co workers are using Windows systems equipped only 
with a browser and some office suites.  We do not want to enable SSH 
logins (the co-workers probably do not have access to, nor know how to 
use, SSH; neither do we want to employ FTP because of both the large 
number of inbound ports that may have to be opened, and (again) 
possible difficulties for co workers in establishing an FTP link from 
their Windows system, especially when behind a partially-restricted FW 
and NAT.  Email works well for them, and so does http.


We have a couple of Debian machines we could run this application on, 
Wheezy and Squeeze.  What would people's preferred webserver package 
be for this type of application?


regards, Ron


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Re: Ideal Debian distro for Asus Notebook?

2014-09-24 Thread Cindy-Sue Causey

On 9/23/14, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sb, 20 sep 14, 11:53:04, Gary Dale wrote:

I recommend Debian/Testing (Jessie) which has been quite stable in
use and is more up to date than Debian/Stable (Wheezy). You can also
try the latest Linux Mint distribution, which is Debian-based and
quite popular.

Are you sure it's a good idea to recommend testing to someone new to
Debian? Stable is probably a much better entry point.

Ditto.. Stable. I resemble Andrei's observation.. I've made comments
before that I've been playing with computers 20 years now, BUT my
cognition is notably degenerating to where I have many a day that I'm
approaching computers with the mental grasp of a newbie..

I'm working a security issue right now that is the second time the
exact same issue has come up in less than a month. Only thing I did
this time was the same thing any newbie would potentially do at some
point: use their fave package manager to download APT

Seconds before I read your comment, Andrei, I was sitting here
thinking I cannot imagine someone's grandparents trying to work
through this issue I'm having FOR A SECOND TIME in the same
month..

A person truly new to computers in general, if not just Debian, using
testing, a release where it is widely advocated it IS going to #FAIL
at some point and should NOT be used on do-or-die machines, even by
the more tech savvy? *hm* :)

That warning found across the Net poses a question: Does the user have
a dependable Internet connected fallback machine sitting right there
within reach? A secondary question comes to mind: Being honest with
oneself, what's the intended user's patience, tolerance, stress level
like? :)

*I guess*.. a new user could try downloading testing first... If
it works, cool beans. If it doesn't work, format and install
stable. *I guess* :)

BUT AGAIN... Just like what's happened to me here, first time a new
user answers the call to upgrade anything on a functioning testing
install, that necessary, often security-minded task could potentially
cause the user's machine to immediately become frozen in time, if not
completely inoperable, THAT second.

As always, YMMV. :)

Cindy

PS Just as a general FYI, there's a Debian list called debian-laptop
[1]. In verifying the list name, I just encountered a member's email
that repeats what I was thinking about it. It's a very low traffic
list, [2] but there _are_ people monitoring it.. :)

[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/
[2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/2014/07/msg5.html

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Re: Suggestions? A small webserver for file upload

2014-09-24 Thread Jochen Spieker

Ron Leach:
 
 What package would list members suggest for a small webserver that
 would enable co-workers to upload files to us?

F*EX was recommended to me once:

http://fex.rus.uni-stuttgart.de/

Don't have any experience with it, though.

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Re: Problem with SSH host keys

- Original Message -
 From: Don Armstrong d...@debian.org
 
 On Tue, 23 Sep 2014, Keith Lawson wrote:
  I'll have to look into doign this too. I'm sure there's an explanation
  to this considering things like u...@domain.ca and u...@host.domain.ca
  have different results but if the keys weren't hashed in known_hosts
  it would make troubleshooting a lot simpler.
 
 Yeah. I actually still use hashing, but I pre-populate known_hosts as
 much as possible.
 
This makes me wonder:  what if the OP pre-populates his known_hosts with the 
info for his problem servers?  Then he'll know that the fingerprint and 
hostname are correct.  Will he still get the warning he's been getting?  If so, 
then it seems to be not a problem with the known_hosts file.

-Rob


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find

Within a directory backup tar.gz files you want to delete older than 1 day.

I'm doing this as follows. But do not be.

find /backup/ +1 -delete -mtime

Can you help?


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Re: Suggestions? A small webserver for file upload

2014-09-24 Thread Tom Grace


On 24/09/14 14:53, Ron Leach wrote:

What package would list members suggest for a small webserver that would
enable co-workers to upload files to us?


For just the file-upload bit, FTP is probably your best option. You 
could set up a space for each of the users who need to upload files, and 
have a superuser to allow internal users access to everything.



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Re: find

2014-09-24 Thread The Wanderer

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On 09/24/2014 at 10:29 AM, Gokan Atmaca wrote:

 Within a directory backup tar.gz files you want to delete older 
 than 1 day.
 
 I'm doing this as follows. But do not be.
 
 find /backup/ +1 -delete -mtime
 
 Can you help?

I'm not terribly familiar with the intricacies of find options, though
I'm decently competent with the basics - but at a glance, I think the +1
is in the wrong place. Positioned before the options like that, I think
it's being treated as another path to search.

Does

find /backup/ -delete -mtime +1

do what you want?

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Re: find

Thanks for the correction.

Indeed, will be as follows;
find /arsiv/backup/ -mtime +1 -delete

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:37 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote:
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 On 09/24/2014 at 10:29 AM, Gokan Atmaca wrote:

 Within a directory backup tar.gz files you want to delete older
 than 1 day.

 I'm doing this as follows. But do not be.

 find /backup/ +1 -delete -mtime

 Can you help?

 I'm not terribly familiar with the intricacies of find options, though
 I'm decently competent with the basics - but at a glance, I think the +1
 is in the wrong place. Positioned before the options like that, I think
 it's being treated as another path to search.

 Does

 find /backup/ -delete -mtime +1

 do what you want?

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Re: find

- Original Message -
 From: Gokan Atmaca linux.go...@gmail.com
 
 Thanks for the correction.
 
 Indeed, will be as follows;
 find /arsiv/backup/ -mtime +1 -delete
 

The +1 will get rounded up, according to the man page:

 File was last accessed n*24 hours ago.  When  find  figures  out
how  many  24-hour  periods  ago the file was last accessed, any
fractional part is ignored, so to match -atime +1, a file has to
have been accessed at least two days ago.


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Re: find

2014-09-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 05:40:08PM +0300, Gokan Atmaca wrote:
 Indeed, will be as follows;
 find /arsiv/backup/ -mtime +1 -delete

Yes, it's important the delete comes after -mtime, otherwise it will be
performed before the mtime check. You may also want a '-type f' or
/arsiv/backup itself might be removed.


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Re: find

2014-09-24 Thread Martin Steigerwald

Am Mittwoch, 24. September 2014, 17:29:22 schrieb Gokan Atmaca:
 Within a directory backup tar.gz files you want to delete older than 1
 day.
 
 I'm doing this as follows. But do not be.
 
 find /backup/ +1 -delete -mtime
 
 Can you help?

find /backup -mtime +0 -delete

find counts days as integers. More than 1 day in integer is everything from day 
2 onwards.

(yes thats crazy, but that is how find calculates it.

Use -ls instead of -delete for a test run.

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Re: find

 find /backup -mtime +0 -delete

Command worked. So 7 days than what do I do to delete old files.

Example: find /backup -mtime +6 -delete ?

Thanks...



On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 5:49 PM, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote:
 Am Mittwoch, 24. September 2014, 17:29:22 schrieb Gokan Atmaca:
 Within a directory backup tar.gz files you want to delete older than 1
 day.

 I'm doing this as follows. But do not be.

 find /backup/ +1 -delete -mtime

 Can you help?

 find /backup -mtime +0 -delete

 find counts days as integers. More than 1 day in integer is everything from 
 day
 2 onwards.

 (yes thats crazy, but that is how find calculates it.

 Use -ls instead of -delete for a test run.

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Re: cron in UTC?

2014-09-24 Thread Don Armstrong

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
 I carry my wheezy laptop over various timezones, and my VPS with which
 it communicates is on the Europe/London zone, which uses DST.
 
 The result of this is that cron tasks, which are triggered by
 localtime become unsynchronised, and only by arranging the task times
 very carefully can I ensure that they're run in the right order across
 hosts. This is not very satisfactory.
 
 It occurs to me that Cron should have a config option to select the
 timezone in which it operates, regardless of the the localtime
 setting. Searching around, this doesn't seem to exist.
 
 An alternative, found by googling, appears to be to wrap cron in a
 script, satting TZ=UTC. I guess this would not be update-proof.
 
 Has anyone here found any other solutions, or have any suggestions,
 please?

My #1 suggestion is to have system time be GMT, and every shell/user set
TZ appropriately. That's basically the only sane setting, as many time
zones do DST (and change the rules for it from time to time).

Otherwise, you'll have to provide TZ to cron, presumably in
/etc/default/cron or similar... but that will also cause problems if
anyone else assumes that cron is in a different timezone.

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Samba group problem

hello

How can I give permissions based on the groups SAMBA. ?

for example:
mkdir -p /fileserver/sales
useradd -m sample-u1
usermod sample-u1 -G sales
smbpasswd -a sample-u1
groupadd sales
chgrp -R sales /fileserver/sales


Smb.conf;

[sales]
comment = sales
browseable = yes
path = /fileserver/sales
valid users = @sales
force users = @sales
force group = @sales
write list = @sales
writable = Yes
readonly = No
create mode = 0770
directory mode = 0770


Thanks for the reply. As I am getting an error.
group name could not be found

error jpeg;
http://i.hizliresim.com/78VLlW.jpg

in addition OS:
 root@debian:/etc/samba# cat /etc/*-release
PRETTY_NAME=Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)
NAME=Debian GNU/Linux
VERSION_ID=7
VERSION=7 (wheezy)
ID=debian
ANSI_COLOR=1;31
HOME_URL=http://www.debian.org/;
SUPPORT_URL=http://www.debian.org/support/;
BUG_REPORT_URL=http://bugs.debian.org/;

Smb.conf;

Please Check here;
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Re: Problem with SSH host keys

2014-09-24 Thread Keith Lawson

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 04:45:50PM -0400, shawn wilson wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Keith Lawson ke...@nowhere.ca wrote:
  Hello,
 
  I'm running jessie on my laptop and after doing a dist-upgrade yesterday I'm
  getting SSH host key errors for a bunch of servers I've been connecting to
  for years:
 
 
 IDK this has anything to do with the problem you're seeing (unless you
 have something wacky with your ~/.ssh - like it symlinked to /etc/ssh
 or something). So, I'll just go on the assumption that this is
 coincidence...
 
  The authenticity of host 'blah' can't be established.
  RSA key fingerprint is e8:08:db:b0:e7:38:57:d4:82:a8:a4:1c:42:f0:25:09.
  Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no)?
 
  The host keys are in ~/.ssh/known_hosts and haven't changed on the server
  side. Looking at the openssl, openssh-server and openssh-client change logs
  I don't see anything that would explain this behavior. Is anyone aware of
  any changes in openssh-client in jessie that would cause certain server keys
  that were previously working to be invalid?
 
 
 The host keys are in known_hosts, but are the proper keys (the one you
 listed above - see ssh-keygen -lf /etc/ssh/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key.puh on
 the server) listed there? Does your user own the file and is it mod
 660 or less? Are you logging into the server you think you are (did
 you typo an ip in your ssh_config or is someone mitm you)?
 
 

Gah. So I'm way overthinking the problem. Found my issue: 

$ ls -ltrh
total 184K
-rwxr-xr-x 1 keith keith  393 Sep  2 11:05 id_rsa.pub
-rw--- 1 keith keith 1.8K Sep  2 11:05 id_rsa
-rw--- 1 keith keith 142K Sep 19 09:47 known_hosts.old
-rw-r--r-- 1 keith keith  11K Sep 24 10:10 known_hosts
$ cat known_hosts|wc
 31  93   11034
$ cat known_hosts.old |wc
4491347  145230

So now my question becomes what creates known_hosts.old? In my experience I've 
only seen ssh-keygen -R do that when it backs up known_hosts. 

This is starting to feel like user error. 


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Re: DNS Resolution and Short Names with Dots

2014-09-24 Thread Mark Kamichoff

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 08:55:51AM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
 Perhaps one of the recent libc upgrades have changed the default for
 'ndots' ?
 
 If so, according to a quick scan of the resolv.conf(5) manual page you
 should be able add this to /etc/resolv.conf to get your old behaviour
 back:
 
options ndots:3

I thought of ndots but I figured surely default wouldn't change.. silly
me!  This was indeed the culprit.

If the change is in libc, it appears to be between 2.19-4 and 2.19-7.

http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs//main/g/glibc/glibc_2.19-11_changelog

.. doesn't seem to indicate any resolver / DNS changes between those
versions, though.  I'll continue to research.

 Hope this helps

It does, thanks!

- Mark

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Re: Suggestions? A small webserver for file upload

2014-09-24 Thread green

Ron Leach wrote at 2014-09-24 08:53 -0500:
 What package would list members suggest for a small webserver that would
 enable co-workers to upload files to us?

Though they do not meet all your requirements, you might want to be
aware of woof and servefile.


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init hangs

2014-09-24 Thread rajiv chavan

Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:05:44 +0530

Boot-up hangs with: No more processes left in this runlevel.

Boots in single mode. On init 2 hangs with
(init) tty1 taking long to come up; but we keep wating.
kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64


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Re: Samba group problem

2014-09-24 Thread emmanuel segura

maybe your commands are wrong:

for example:
mkdir -p /fileserver/sales
useradd -m sample-u1
usermod sample-u1 -G sales  you need to create the group before
smbpasswd -a sample-u1
groupadd sales # FIX ##
chgrp -R sales /fileserver/sales

2014-09-24 17:06 GMT+02:00 Gokan Atmaca linux.go...@gmail.com:
 hello

 How can I give permissions based on the groups SAMBA. ?

 for example:
 mkdir -p /fileserver/sales
 useradd -m sample-u1
 usermod sample-u1 -G sales
 smbpasswd -a sample-u1
 groupadd sales
 chgrp -R sales /fileserver/sales


 Smb.conf;

 [sales]
 comment = sales
 browseable = yes
 path = /fileserver/sales
 valid users = @sales
 force users = @sales
 force group = @sales
 write list = @sales
 writable = Yes
 readonly = No
 create mode = 0770
 directory mode = 0770


 Thanks for the reply. As I am getting an error.
 group name could not be found

 error jpeg;
 http://i.hizliresim.com/78VLlW.jpg

 in addition OS:
  root@debian:/etc/samba# cat /etc/*-release
 PRETTY_NAME=Debian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)
 NAME=Debian GNU/Linux
 VERSION_ID=7
 VERSION=7 (wheezy)
 ID=debian
 ANSI_COLOR=1;31
 HOME_URL=http://www.debian.org/;
 SUPPORT_URL=http://www.debian.org/support/;
 BUG_REPORT_URL=http://bugs.debian.org/;

 Smb.conf;

 Please Check here;
 http://paste.debian.net/120811/


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Re: Suggestions? A small webserver for file upload

2014-09-24 Thread Patrick Bartek

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014, Ron Leach wrote:

 List, good afternoon,
 
 What package would list members suggest for a small webserver that 
 would enable co-workers to upload files to us?
 
 [snip]

I contract with several companies where I need to upload (and download)
multiple files that can be upwards of 20 to 30 MB each.  Although, 3 to
6 is average. There can be a hundred or more files at a time to
transfer.  So, email attachments were out of the question.

FTP or Dropbox (with dedicated folders for each remote contractor)
provided the simplest solutions.

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Re: security camera software

2014-09-24 Thread Bob McGowan

On 9/24/14, 6:43 AM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:

I need to set up a couple usb cameras to record video based on motion
detection.  I prefer ease of setup to a large feature set, since this is
expected to be only temporary.  I want to only record when there is
motion, so I don't have hours of footage to search through.

A quick search shows recommendations for a package called 'motion'.  Does
anybody here have any experience with that, or can anybody recommend
something better?

-Rob


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I've looked into video surveillance also and only found 'motion', as the
simple interface.

The only other tool I've found is zoneminder, which is web based and much
more complex.

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Re: init hangs

2014-09-24 Thread Darac Marjal

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 09:20:15PM +0530, rajiv chavan wrote:
 Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:05:44 +0530
 
 Boot-up hangs with: No more processes left in this runlevel.
 
 Boots in single mode. On init 2 hangs with
 (init) tty1 taking long to come up; but we keep wating.
 kernel 3.2.0-3-amd64

A quick google for the error message suggests to me that this is init's
way of saying I started everything you asked for, now what?. The
problem is that, in a normal boot, you never quite get there because the
getty is launched and doesn't return.

Now, by the looks of it, you can't launch the getty because there's no
tty1 (it took  (sic) long to come up). Is this a virtual machine? If
so, check your VM manual for the correct console device to use
(/dev/hvc0 or something, perhaps). Are you using a framebuffer console?
If so, is the driver for that working fine? Also check udev - it might
be that the driver/hardware is fine, but the device node never appears.

 
 
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Re: security camera software

- Original Message -
 From: Bob McGowan bob_mcgo...@symantec.com
 
 On 9/24/14, 6:43 AM, Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:
 
 I need to set up a couple usb cameras to record video based on motion
 detection.  I prefer ease of setup to a large feature set, since this is
 expected to be only temporary.  I want to only record when there is
 motion, so I don't have hours of footage to search through.
 
 A quick search shows recommendations for a package called 'motion'.  Does
 anybody here have any experience with that, or can anybody recommend
 something better?
 
 -Rob
  
 
 I've looked into video surveillance also and only found 'motion', as the
 simple interface.
 
 The only other tool I've found is zoneminder, which is web based and much
 more complex.
 

I've been looking at the 'motion' docs and it seems straightforward, so I'll 
give it a try.  It supports multiple cameras, which was one of my concerns.

I've seen zoneminder in the past and I think it's much more than I need right 
now.

I will have a look at camorama, based on Hans' suggestions.

Thanks everyone for your help.

-Rob


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Re: cron in UTC?

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 11:54:57 +0100
Tony van der Hoff t...@vanderhoff.org wrote:

 Greetings,
 
 I carry my wheezy laptop over various timezones, and my VPS with which
 it communicates is on the Europe/London zone, which uses DST.
 
 The result of this is that cron tasks, which are triggered by
 localtime become unsynchronised, and only by arranging the task times
 very carefully can I ensure that they're run in the right order
 across hosts. This is not very satisfactory.
 
 It occurs to me that Cron should have a config option to select the
 timezone in which it operates, regardless of the the localtime
 setting. Searching around, this doesn't seem to exist.
 
 An alternative, found by googling, appears to be to wrap cron in a
 script, satting TZ=UTC. I guess this would not be update-proof.
 
 Has anyone here found any other solutions, or have any suggestions,
 please?

LOL, I don't recommend this. I *really* don't recommend this. But you
*could* hack my homegrown cron to measure the difference between local
time and UTC and do whatever you want done.

Somebody once called something or other string and bailing wire or
some such. Well, that's exactly what my homegrown cron is. But it's
written in Python, managed by daemontools, so it's pretty easy to
modify to one's own needs.

If you really get desparate and this is the only option you have left,
let me know and I'll slap an Expat licence on it and give it to you.

HTH, sure it doesn't :-)

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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:30:22 +0100
Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote:

 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:58:26PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
  True, it's a single point of failure, but it's made by GNU, whose
  agenda is less harmful to Linux than the agenda of Redhat.
 
 I nearly choked on my coffee reading that. Redhat built their
 business on Linux; GNU have been hostile towards it for years.

Hi Jonathan,

I think you're talking about the Redhat from the days of Robert Young.
Robert Young, and the business he ran, were totally devoted to Linux
and free software. Those days are gone.

You mention that Redhat built their business on Linux. That's
indisputable. And, starting in the days of Robert Young, they Embraced
Linux. Now, with systemd, they've Extended Linux in ways that, from my
perception, are bumping right up against most peoples' definition of
Linux. I'm very worried about the third shoe dropping.

As far as GNU hostility, that hostility goes only so far as:

1) They feel GNU should be given credit for most of its utilities being
   used together with the Linux kernel so to make a complete OS. All
   they ask is to call it GNU/Linux. 

2) They have some licensing issues with some software used on GNU/Linux.

3) Stallman's a hostile kinda guy. Linux is nothing special :-)

Look at it this way: If GNU wanted to stick stuff into their compiler
to reduce the utility of Linux, they would have done so years ago. They
never have. Redhat just did, bigtime.

SteveT

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Re: Let's have a vote!

- Original Message -
 From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm
 
 On 09/22/2014 at 06:54 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
 
 Those are votes for Debian, but not for systemd, or for Debian with
 systemd as central.
 
 In the case at hand, the latter two are what people are asking to be
 able to have a vote (or at least meaningful input other than making
 noise) on, by virtue of being users who will be affected by the decision
 rather than by virtue of doing work to implement the decision.

I think the best voting method at this time is popularity-contest.  Make sure 
you have PARTICIPATE set to yes.  

Of course the vote is stacked somewhat in favor of systemd-sysv, since it is 
the default and in some cases unavoidable due to dependencies of desktop 
software.  So all of the systemd-sysv votes in popularity-contest represent 
either:  

1) people who prefer systemd-sysv
2) people who got systemd-sysv as a result of dependencies of installing a 
package that they really do want
3) people who don't care enough to switch away from the default, or 
4) people who aren't aware of the options, don't know what an init system is, 
etc.

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Re: cron in UTC?

2014-09-24 Thread Curt

On 2014-09-24, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote:

 Somebody once called something or other string and bailing wire or
 some such. Well, that's exactly what my homegrown cron is. But it's
 written in Python, managed by daemontools, so it's pretty easy to
 modify to one's own needs.


I believe if you're bailing with string and wire because you're
neck-deep in hot water you won't get very far.




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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

2014-09-24 Thread Reco

 Hi.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:33:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
 Look at it this way: If GNU wanted to stick stuff into their compiler
 to reduce the utility of Linux, they would have done so years ago. They
 never have.

Or did they?

http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1407.3/00650.html

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sigabrt chrome

2014-09-24 Thread Ludovico Van

hi all

sorry for the little ot, being chrome not open source

on a debian stable, after some upgrades (unfortunately cannot track which
one, since i don't own that machine), google chrome stopped working.

When starting from the cli i only get a Aborted and then terminates.
This happens with chrome stable, beta and unstable.
Already tried to reinstall it, and ldd shows no missing libraries

Here you can see a strace:
http://pastebin.com/bTkjzhxj

Any help?

thanks

Re: Let's have a vote!

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Owens row...@ptd.net wrote:

 - Original Message -
  From: The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm
  
  On 09/22/2014 at 06:54 AM, Darac Marjal wrote:
  
  Those are votes for Debian, but not for systemd, or for Debian with
  systemd as central.
  
  In the case at hand, the latter two are what people are asking to be
  able to have a vote (or at least meaningful input other than making
  noise) on, by virtue of being users who will be affected by the
  decision rather than by virtue of doing work to implement the
  decision.
 
 I think the best voting method at this time is popularity-contest.
 Make sure you have PARTICIPATE set to yes.  
 
 Of course the vote is stacked somewhat in favor of systemd-sysv,
 since it is the default and in some cases unavoidable due to
 dependencies of desktop software.  So all of the systemd-sysv votes
 in popularity-contest represent either:  
 
 1) people who prefer systemd-sysv
 2) people who got systemd-sysv as a result of dependencies of
 installing a package that they really do want 3) people who don't
 care enough to switch away from the default, or 4) people who aren't
 aware of the options, don't know what an init system is, etc.
 
 -Rob

That's not really a true choice. There are a lot of other init programs
out there, any one of which could be voted for. There's the position
let's wait until we have a good init to move to, which is very
different from let's use sysvinit. There's no place to write in an
other.

And then there's this: If something wins 50something to 40something, or
perhaps even 60something to 30something, that doesn't solve anything,
because 1/3 of the people are disenfranchised.

I think we're in this position because in the committee vote A) there
was a rush to judgement and B) the choices encompassed only systemd and
two not so good choices.

SteveT

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Re: cron in UTC?

On Wed 24 Sep 2014 at 12:44:47 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 Somebody once called something or other string and bailing wire or
 some such. Well, that's exactly what my homegrown cron is. But it's
 written in Python, managed by daemontools, so it's pretty easy to
 modify to one's own needs.
 
 If you really get desparate and this is the only option you have left,
 let me know and I'll slap an Expat licence on it and give it to you.

How desperate does he have to be?

 HTH, sure it doesn't :-)

You're correct; it doesn't.


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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On Wed 24 Sep 2014 at 12:33:35 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 Look at it this way: If GNU wanted to stick stuff into their compiler
 to reduce the utility of Linux, they would have done so years ago. They
 never have. Redhat just did, bigtime.

This is the Red Hat Conspiracy Theory. Does the promotion of blatent FUD
ever stop? Why is it necessary to have to have a bogeyman?


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Daemontools Introduction

Hi all,

I just finished writing a daemontools intro here:

http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/daemontools_intro.htm


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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:16:26 +0400
Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi.
 
 On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:33:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
  Look at it this way: If GNU wanted to stick stuff into their
  compiler to reduce the utility of Linux, they would have done so
  years ago. They never have.
 
 Or did they?
 
 http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1407.3/00650.html
 
 Reco

The referenced URL looks like incompetance, not agenda. If the GNU
folks made their compiler require Python, that would be more akin to
what the systemd lobby, led by Red Hat, is doing.

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Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:19:55 +0300
Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Ma, 23 sep 14, 19:48:38, Steve Litt wrote:
  On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:10:22 +0100
  Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com
  wrote:
  
   http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html
  
  Very, very nice, Jonathan! I'd be a lot happier person had the
  Debian crew had selected nosh as PID 1 and the daemon manager, and
  had various daemons manage interprogram linkages.
 
 It doesn't seem ready for prime time to me 

How do you come to that conclusion. Does it fail? Does it not
initialize everything, control all daemons, and shut down in an orderly
fashion?

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Re: Daemontools Introduction

On Wed 24 Sep 2014 at 14:06:52 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 I just finished writing a daemontools intro here:
 
 http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/daemontools_intro.htm

Is this the culmination of your posting to this list to promote your own
ends? Or have we more to look forward to?


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Re: Alternatives to grub and lilo? was grub2 menu problems

2014-09-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland


 On 23 Apr 2014, at 17:33, Ralf Mardorf ralf.mard...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 
 However, a lot of
 experienced Linux users prefer Syslinux.

I'd like to revisit syslinux at some point. It works well on boot USBs etc. Add 
my voice to the chorus of folks not happy with grub2. 

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Re: systemd bug closed - next steps?

On Wed 24 Sep 2014 at 14:01:04 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 21:16:26 +0400
 Reco recovery...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hi.
  
  On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:33:35PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
   Look at it this way: If GNU wanted to stick stuff into their
   compiler to reduce the utility of Linux, they would have done so
   years ago. They never have.
  
  Or did they?
  
  http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1407.3/00650.html
  
  Reco
 
 The referenced URL looks like incompetance, not agenda. If the GNU
 folks made their compiler require Python, that would be more akin to
 what the systemd lobby, led by Red Hat, is doing.

Chanting Red Hat Conspirancy to yourself before falling into a deep
slumber is one thing. Convincing most other people it exists is a task
which requires a little bit more.


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Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

On Wed 24 Sep 2014 at 14:05:11 -0400, Steve Litt wrote:

 On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:19:55 +0300
 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Ma, 23 sep 14, 19:48:38, Steve Litt wrote:
   On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:10:22 +0100
   Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com
   wrote:
   
http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html
   
   Very, very nice, Jonathan! I'd be a lot happier person had the
   Debian crew had selected nosh as PID 1 and the daemon manager, and
   had various daemons manage interprogram linkages.
  
  It doesn't seem ready for prime time to me 
 
 How do you come to that conclusion. Does it fail? Does it not
 initialize everything, control all daemons, and shut down in an orderly
 fashion?

You tell us. You appear be to an expert on it as an arbitor of PID 1.


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Re: Jessie and Systemd integration

2014-09-24 Thread Andrei POPESCU

On Mi, 24 sep 14, 14:05:11, Steve Litt wrote:
 On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 10:19:55 +0300
 Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Ma, 23 sep 14, 19:48:38, Steve Litt wrote:
   On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:10:22 +0100
   Jonathan de Boyne Pollard j.deboynepollard-newsgro...@ntlworld.com
   wrote:
   
http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/Softwares/nosh.html
   
   Very, very nice, Jonathan! I'd be a lot happier person had the
   Debian crew had selected nosh as PID 1 and the daemon manager, and
   had various daemons manage interprogram linkages.
  
  It doesn't seem ready for prime time to me 
 
 How do you come to that conclusion. Does it fail? Does it not
 initialize everything, control all daemons, and shut down in an orderly
 fashion?

$ apt-cache search -n nosh
noshell - transitional dummy package
titantools - Tools to secure bastion hosts
$

(i.e. it's not in Debian)

There there are things like:

It is known to build, run, and work on PC-BSD 9.1 and Debian Linux 
version 7. It should similarly build, run, and work on any modern 
BSD and on any modern Linux flavour.

from the project's webpage that are not inspiring too much confidence 
and there's also also:

For compatibility:

A mechanism for converting systemd unit files (within certain limits 
that should cover the majority of units, albeit by no means every 
possible unit) to service bundles is provided.
...
Obtaining and building
...
Several suites of service bundles for standard system targets, 
common system initialization services, common regular non-socket 
services, and common regular socket services are also available 
pre-built, installing under /etc/system-manager/targets/, /etc/sv/, 
and /var/sv/. These service bundles are usable on PC-BSD, FreeBSD, 
and Debian Linux . (Not all services apply to all systems, of 
course.)

This seems to suggest it needs these so called service bundles to 
work. Since it's foreseeable that not all daemons will have systemd 
units by the release of Jessie how does it handle init scripts?

Anyway, I'm not trying to discourage anyone from experimenting with it, 
but I predict that any real contender to systemd will have to be able to 
work with its unit files, in all cases that really matter.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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2014-09-24 Thread Iain M Conochie


Evening,

 In case people may have missed this:

http://web.nvd.nist.gov/view/vuln/detail?vulnId=CVE-2014-6271

Upgrade available for wheezy.

Cheers

Iain


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Re: Ideal Debian distro for Asus Notebook?

2014-09-24 Thread Ric Moore


On 09/24/2014 09:57 AM, Cindy-Sue Causey wrote:

On 9/23/14, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote:

On Sb, 20 sep 14, 11:53:04, Gary Dale wrote:


I recommend Debian/Testing (Jessie) which has been quite stable in
use and is more up to date than Debian/Stable (Wheezy). You can also
try the latest Linux Mint distribution, which is Debian-based and
quite popular.


Are you sure it's a good idea to recommend testing to someone new to
Debian? Stable is probably a much better entry point.



Ditto.. Stable. I resemble Andrei's observation.. I've made comments
before that I've been playing with computers 20 years now, BUT my
cognition is notably degenerating to where I have many a day that I'm
approaching computers with the mental grasp of a newbie..

I'm working a security issue right now that is the second time the
exact same issue has come up in less than a month. Only thing I did
this time was the same thing any newbie would potentially do at some
point: use their fave package manager to download APT

Seconds before I read your comment, Andrei, I was sitting here
thinking I cannot imagine someone's grandparents trying to work
through this issue I'm having FOR A SECOND TIME in the same
month..

A person truly new to computers in general, if not just Debian, using
testing, a release where it is widely advocated it IS going to #FAIL
at some point and should NOT be used on do-or-die machines, even by
the more tech savvy? *hm* :)

That warning found across the Net poses a question: Does the user have
a dependable Internet connected fallback machine sitting right there
within reach? A secondary question comes to mind: Being honest with
oneself, what's the intended user's patience, tolerance, stress level
like? :)

*I guess*.. a new user could try downloading testing first... If
it works, cool beans. If it doesn't work, format and install
stable. *I guess* :)

BUT AGAIN... Just like what's happened to me here, first time a new
user answers the call to upgrade anything on a functioning testing
install, that necessary, often security-minded task could potentially
cause the user's machine to immediately become frozen in time, if not
completely inoperable, THAT second.

As always, YMMV. :)


I run Jessie, freshly installed, and I have zero complaints, so far. I 
also have Ubuntu 14.10 on another partition as a fall-back, JUST IN CASE.


Sid is where the Wild Things Are. I avoid that as Fedora would often get 
ahead of itself to the point of crashing and burning. And, with Fedora, 
if your issue wasn't in the gun-sights of Enterprise, you could forget 
it being resolved in a timely fashion. That is when I had to bail from 
it. But, both Sid and Fedora are fun for those who love being on the 
cutting (and dangerous) edges! YMMV! Ric




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