cracker une .rar
Bonjour, J'ai acheté un livre technique pour ma voiture. Le site m'envoit le code pour telecharger le fichier. Je récupére le fichier. Oh, surprise ! il s'agit d'un fichier .rar necessitant un mot de passe !! Voic les essais. Une idée ? fred@fred:~/Downloads$ unrar x PRIORA.rar UNRAR 5.00 beta 8 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2013 Alexander Roshal Enter password (will not be echoed) for PRIORA.rar: Tentative de crack en simple user : fred@fred:~/Downloads$ rarcrack PRIORA.rar –type .rar RarCrack! 0.2 by David Zoltan Kedves (ked...@gmail.com) ERROR: The specified file (.rar) is not exists or you don't have a right permissions! Tentative de crack en root : root@fred:/home/fred/Downloads# rarcrack PRIORA.rar –type rar RarCrack! 0.2 by David Zoltan Kedves (ked...@gmail.com) ERROR: The specified file (rar) is not exists or you don't have a right permissions! -- Frédéric ZULIAN -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/3051539.KIp8MzV2an@fred
Re: cracker une .rar
On Monday 17 November 2014 17:04:45 zulian wrote: J'ai acheté un livre technique pour ma voiture. Le site m'envoit le code pour telecharger le fichier. Je récupére le fichier. Oh, surprise ! il s'agit d'un fichier .rar necessitant un mot de passe Voic les essais. Une idée ? fred@fred:~/Downloads$ unrar x PRIORA.rar UNRAR 5.00 beta 8 freeware Copyright (c) 1993-2013 Alexander Roshal Enter password (will not be echoed) for PRIORA.rar: Tentative de crack en simple user : fred@fred:~/Downloads$ rarcrack PRIORA.rar –type .rar RarCrack! 0.2 by David Zoltan Kedves (ked...@gmail.com) ERROR: The specified file (.rar) is not exists or you don't have a right permissions! Tentative de crack en root : root@fred:/home/fred/Downloads# rarcrack PRIORA.rar –type rar RarCrack! 0.2 by David Zoltan Kedves (ked...@gmail.com) ERROR: The specified file (rar) is not exists or you don't have a right permissions! Frédéric ZULIAN Appeler le vendeur du site... veuillez me donner le mot de passe, car j'ai payé ce livre C'est un fichier qui a été compressé avec mot de passe. As tu envoyé un chèque, virement ou par carte de crédit ? si chèque ou virement, ils attendent de le recevoir, pour t'envoyer le MdP. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411171640.37933.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: cracker une .rar
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Re: cracker une .rar
Bonjour, Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 17:04, zulian a écrit : Tentative de crack en simple user : fred@fred:~/Downloads$ rarcrack PRIORA.rar –type .rar RarCrack! 0.2 by David Zoltan Kedves (ked...@gmail.com) ERROR: The specified file (.rar) is not exists or you don't have a right permissions! Es-tu bien sûr que le nom du fichier est correctement situé dans ta commande ? Apparemment il ne trouve pas le fichier… J'imagine qu'il est pourtant présent dans le dossier… Je n'ai pas rarcrack d'installé. Que dit le début du manuel (synopsis) ? Sinon tu peux aussi essayer de le permuter : rarcrack --type .rar PRIORA.rar Ou même sans spécifier de type : rarcrack PRIORA.rar Seb -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117154633.gf13...@sebian.nob900.homeip.net
Re: cracker une .rar
On Monday 17 November 2014 17:04:24 you wrote: Appeler le vendeur du site... veuillez me donner le mot de passe, car j'ai payé ce livre Ben oui, mais ils ne répondent pas aux mails et ils sont localisés aux USA : Ont-il un tél ? As tu envoyé un chèque, virement ou par carte de crédit ? si chèque ou virement, ils attendent de le recevoir, pour t'envoyer le MdP. Payé par CB. Ils m'ont envoyé le mot de passe pour télécharger le fichier. Ce que j ai fait. Mais je n'arrive pas à récupérer le mot de passe pour le fichier. Donc le MdP t'a bien été envoyé mais il est illisible et la société ne répond pas. Quelle est le problème pour ne pas pouvoir récupérer le MdP ? Humm... sinon, il doit exister des crackers de mot de passe pour fichiers .rar... André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411171727.10485.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
On Monday 17 November 2014 00:02:14 FGK wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 11:16:31PM +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: Je vais donc résumer : copyright, droit d'auteur, ce n'est sans doute pas tout à fait la même chose. On les oppose même très souvent. Les lois les régissant semblent être différentes selon les pays. C'est cela. Surtout que, et comment déjà dit, essayer d'expliquer la GPL et des contrats anglo-saxons en utilisant des termes de droit français se révèle assez difficile, voir carrément incorect, puisque les notions étant définies autrement. Ça peut aider à la compréhension, mais du point de vue du raisonnement juridique ça ne tient pas beaucoup. Je connais un ou deux juristes qui crieraient au scandale parce que j'ai utilisé droit extrapatrimonial/droits moraux dans la même phrase que Copyright. Il faut normalement utiliser les mots anglais qui ont leur propre définition. La GPL - GNU aux USA serait une extension du copyright. D'une certaine manière oui. En réalité on parle de régime d'exception (en tout cas en droit français). Un régime consiste, grosso modo, en toutes les règles qui régissent une situation donnée ainsi que ses effets (juridiques s'entend). La but de la GNU GPL vis-à-vis du Copyright est de dire : voilà ce que fait le Copyright mais nous, par exception à ses termes, on va dire que vous avez le droit de faire ça et ça. Ce mécanisme juridique est opéré dans le point 2. Basic Permissions de la GNU GPL.[1] 1. http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html La proposition de .NET Microsoft d'orienter certains logiciels vers l'opensource, pourrait être légale sans contredire la GPL. Si je peux me permettre il faut bien faire la différence entre licence et CLA. Techiquement, ce que propose .NET Fondation est de l'open source. Elle utilise la licence Expat pour cela (faussement nommée MIT par tout un chacun). C'est une licence open source mais bien plus permissive que la GPL. Ici nous parlons du code diffusé par .NET Fondation. Et c'est donc à ne pas confondre avec le code *soumis par un contributeur à .NET Fondation* qui lui est régit par la CLA. Pour réexpliquer plus clairement. Le développeur signe la CLA et soumet son code. Dès soumission du code, celui-ci appartient totalement à la fondation. Elle décide alors de faire un choix. Soit de diffuser ce qui est maintenant *son* code en l'intégrant au projet sous licence MIT. Pour le développeur c'est transparent puisqu'il escomptait justement que son code soit sous cette licence. Soit de ne pas diffuser son code sur ce projet et sur cette licence mais d'en faire autre chose (et là on peut imaginer tout ce qu'on veut). Le truc abérrant j'en conviens, c'est que si le code n'est pas effectivement intégré au projet, légalement, du fait de la signature de la CLA, le code appartenant dorénavant à .NET Fondation, le développeur n'a pas le droit de le réutiliser comme il veut. Il peut le faire bien sûr, mais dans ce cas, s'il vient à l'idée de la fondation de l'attaquer, il y a de très forte chance qu'elle gagne. En pratique, globalement, il y a peu de chances que ça arrive. Je vois mal Microsoft attaquer un développeur indépendant sous prétexte qu'il a réutiliser trois lignes de code préalablement soumis à .NET Fondation. Par contre, imaginons que ce développeur ait une idée lumineuse, une fonction nouvelle, que sais-je. S'il venait à réutiliser cette idée dans un autre projet et que celui-ci fasse vraiment concurrence à Microsoft, la Fondation aurait un moyen légal d'agir. Il faut donc bien séparer la licence sous laquelle .NET Fondation diffuse son code (licence open source) et le régime contractuel qui régit les relations entre le développeur contributeur et la fondation. Dans ce second cas, la bonne comparaison à faire est d'opposer la CLA de la FSF (et non la GPL) à la CLA de .NET Fondation. Pour en terminer là, le but de ma première intervention était simplement de mettre en lumière ce que _permet_ cette CLA. Son application pratique par la .NET Fondation étant tout autre chose. Il est hors de question pour moi, je le répète, de jeter la pierre. Il existe des tas de développeurs pour lesquels cette situation ne présente aucun problème, à commencer par ceux qui ont l'habitude que leur code appartiennent totalement à la boîte pour laquelle il travaille. Par contre, ça en gène d'autres, et s'ils signent sans savoir, une belle déconfiture est à prévoir. Par contre, point de vue éthique GPL pure, oui c'est inacceptable. Voir l'avant-dernier paragraphe ci-dessus. Je confirme que microsoft participe au salon sus-cité, sans vergogne en s'auto-proclamant Microsoft, c'est aussi l'opensource !, ce qui lui vaut (heureusement) quelques défilés vengeurs de la part d'associations dont l'April devant leur stand (quand même !). Haha j'imagine l'ambiance avec les regards en chiens de faïence. Ça doit être assez fun/épique. Le problème est d'une part que ça
Ma Debian va très mal !!
Bonjour, Depuis le mois de juin de cette année j'ai des problèmes avec ma debian Sid Amd64. Tous ces problèmes viennent de la migration vers systemd . Si certains problèmes ont été corrigés, services ne se lancant pas au boot, ou arrêt de Samba prenant 5 minutes, d'autre problème entrave le fonctionnement actuel de ma Debian en effet l'arrêt de l'ordinateur prend plus de 3 minutes ce qui est exagéré et insupportable et cerise sur le gâteau comme je me sers de Kde celui ci pour arrêter celui ci envoies un halt qui ne coupe plus électriquement ce même ordinateur, je suis obligé d'attendre le message reboot system halted pour manuellement couper électriquement l'ordinateur. (pour ce pb de non coupure électrique j'ai généré un rapport de bug #761647 qui n'a pas eu beaucoup de succès ce que je ne comprends pas, surtout ils le suffiraient de modifier leur halt en halt -p ou poweroff) Autre anomalie introduite par systemd, il est programmé tous les 28 montages un fsck du disque linux, cela fonctionne toujours sauf que maintenant aucune trace n'apparaît plus à l'écran ce qui est très génant surtout que cette opération dure plus de 5 minutes. J'ai lu dans les Dernières nouvelles du projet Debian que Jessie était gelé, j'espère que ces problèmes causés par systemd seront résolus car actuellement je ne conseillerai pas à quelqu'un de migrer sur les dernières version Debian. Philippe Merlin -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1548681.zLvmYCMmp2@portable
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
Le 14 novembre 2014 21:57, FGK a écrit : [...] Oui, mais vous avez vu que le tout est distribué sous licence MIT. Et avez-vous remarqué la licence notamment en terme de contribution au Projet ? Tout est ici : https://cla.dotnetfoundation.org/. Bonjour, Qu'est-ce que l'on comprend à la lecture ? Comme le rappelait gasche[2], que la fondation .NET demande lors de la soumission de Code d'accepter la fameuse Contributor License Agreement. Oui. Dedans, il est bien indiqué que parmi les pull resquest (les Soumissions de Code au Projet (voir les définitions dans la CLA pour chaque mot)) les productions originales sont grandement favorisées --- et non du Code d'une tierce partie, d'un autre projet, donc déjà sous une autre licence, celui-ci, s'il était malgré tout soumis allant vers une autre procédure pour acceptation, mal définie, et dont les détails restent (à dessein ?) flous. Oui. De plus le Code soumis devient la propriété de .NET Fondation et de ses partenaires commerciaux (voir les points 4.2. et 4.3.) Bah non, le 4.3 dit au contraire que les droits non explicitement mentionnés ne sont pas concernés, et le 4.1 qu'on donne le droit à la fondation d'en faire l'usage qu'elle veut, mais ce n'est pas un copyright assignment. Il y a eu des débats très chauds concernant les copyright assignment (cf Canonical par exemple), mais là il ne s'agit pas de ça, ce CLA ne me semble pas différer (mais JNSPJ) de ceux qu'on trouve chez Google, Apache ou Canonical (nouvelle version) https://cla.developers.google.com/about/google-individual http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt https://assets.ubuntu.com/sites/ubuntu/latest/u/files/section/legal/Canonical-HA-CLA-ANY-I_v1.2.pdf --- ils en font ce qu'ils veulent, soit ils décident de le passer sous la licence du Projet, soit non et ils l'utilisent en closed source (en disant ah désolé, mais non en fait on accepte pas ce Code au développeur ?), ou encore les deux, mais en en faisant une distribution de binaire modifié par leur soin closed-source. Oui. Denis -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/camqf4eeo+je6odvm3uegnra3pe3nhucyecfokx1fdalufiu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Ma Debian va très mal !!
On 11/17/2014 06:29 PM, MERLIN Philippe wrote: Bonjour, Depuis le mois de juin de cette année j'ai des problèmes avec ma debian Sid Amd64. Tous ces problèmes viennent de la migration vers systemd . Si certains problèmes ont été corrigés, services ne se lancant pas au boot Salut La migration n'a pas été automatique, il faut mettre les mains dans le cambouis. Chez moi, sid amd64, tout fonctionne presque bien COMMANDES DE BASE (en root évidemment), exemples à adapter selon les services à démarrer systemctl enable cups #Rendre effectif le service systemctl start cups #démarrer le service systemctl daemon-reload #parfois indispensable systemctl status unit systemctl reload unit systemctl systemctl list-units systemctl list-units --all systemctl list-unit-files #affiche tous les unit files installés systemctl list-unit-files systemctl reboot systemctl poweroff systemd-analyze #durée démarrage services journalctl -b -u systemd-udev-settle #voir ce qui bloque au boot #Pour ce qui est des unités bloquées : systemd-analyze critical-chain -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a37ff.10...@gmail.com
Re: Ma Debian va très mal !!
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014, 19:01:35 maderios a écrit : On 11/17/2014 06:29 PM, MERLIN Philippe wrote: Bonjour, Depuis le mois de juin de cette année j'ai des problèmes avec ma debian Sid Amd64. Tous ces problèmes viennent de la migration vers systemd . Si certains problèmes ont été corrigés, services ne se lancant pas au boot Salut La migration n'a pas été automatique, il faut mettre les mains dans le cambouis. Chez moi, sid amd64, tout fonctionne presque bien COMMANDES DE BASE (en root évidemment), exemples à adapter selon les services à démarrer systemctl enable cups #Rendre effectif le service systemctl start cups #démarrer le service systemctl daemon-reload #parfois indispensable systemctl status unit systemctl reload unit systemctl systemctl list-units systemctl list-units --all systemctl list-unit-files #affiche tous les unit files installés systemctl list-unit-files systemctl reboot systemctl poweroff systemd-analyze #durée démarrage services journalctl -b -u systemd-udev-settle #voir ce qui bloque au boot #Pour ce qui est des unités bloquées : systemd-analyze critical-chain Merci, en effet j'ai mis les mains dans le cambouis avec des systemctl ... pour essayer de faire avancer le schmilblik mais maintenant je ne sais pas ou chercher, les problèmes évoqués au début non démarrage de service et blocage Samba sont résolus, par contre le temps d'arrêt de plus de 3 minutes là je sèche. Pour la coupure électrique j'ai je pense la solution mais c'est à Kde de faire cette modif et je ne sais pas comment contacter un responsable Kde pour qu'ils essayent cette petite correction halt halt -p ou halt ---poweroff les systemctl poweroff marche très bien il arrête électriquement mon ordi. Philippe Merlin -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2286833.EHbDkP5oQA@portable
Re: Ma Debian va très mal !!
On 11/17/2014 06:29 PM, MERLIN Philippe wrote: Bonjour, Pas de messages personnels. Merci de poster sur la liste. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a477a.6070...@gmail.com
Re: DKIM Re: Ma Debian va très mal !!
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014, 20:07:38 maderios a écrit : On 11/17/2014 06:29 PM, MERLIN Philippe wrote: Bonjour, Pas de messages personnels. Merci de poster sur la liste. je ne comprends pas ton message, j'ai posté ma précédente réponse sur la liste. Philippe Merlin -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2971644.C8AobvgCiJ@portable
Re: Ma Debian va très mal !!
Le lundi 17 novembre 2014 à 19:01 +0100, maderios a écrit : On 11/17/2014 06:29 PM, MERLIN Philippe wrote: Bonjour, Depuis le mois de juin de cette année j'ai des problèmes avec ma debian Sid Amd64. Tous ces problèmes viennent de la migration vers systemd . Si certains problèmes ont été corrigés, services ne se lancant pas au boot Salut La migration n'a pas été automatique, il faut mettre les mains dans le cambouis. Chez moi, sid amd64, tout fonctionne presque bien COMMANDES DE BASE (en root évidemment), exemples à adapter selon les services à démarrer Je suis en Debian/Sid, je n'ai rien touché manuellement et n'ai aucun problème sur 2 machines différents Dell 4800 et un HP. Parfois il faut éviter de toucher à tout surtout si l'on ne maîtrise pas ce que l'on fait! -- Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) The best way to travel is by means of imagination http://v2p.fr.eu.org http://www.obry.net gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key F949BD3B -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416251990.5884.184.ca...@obry.net
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
Bonjour, On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:34:19PM +0100, D. Barbier wrote: De plus le Code soumis devient la propriété de .NET Fondation et de ses partenaires commerciaux (voir les points 4.2. et 4.3.) Bah non, le 4.3 dit au contraire que les droits non explicitement mentionnés ne sont pas concernés, et le 4.1 qu'on donne le droit à la fondation d'en faire l'usage qu'elle veut, mais ce n'est pas un copyright assignment. Merci de l'avoir relevé. C'est une erreur de frappe de ma part. Il fallait lire voir les points 4.1 et 4.2. Effectivement, le point 4.3 parle des droits non explicitement mentionnés. Quels ont été justement les droits explicitement mentionnés ? Ceux dont il est fait référence aux points 4.1 et 4.2 à savoir : 1) le contributeur accorde à .NET Fondation et ses partenaires tous les droits (perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, irrevocable) concernant son travail pour en faire ce qu'il veut (reproduce, prepare derivative works of, publicly display, publicly perform, and distribute the Submission and such derivative works, and to sublicense any or all of the foregoing rights to third parties). 2) le contributeur accorde de la même manière tous ses droits sur les brevets. Il n'est rien dit d'autre. Le point 4.3 quant à lui est intéressant car il parle justement d'autres droits réservés. En l'espèce, nous sommes dans de la soumission de code. Par les points 4.1 et 4.2 le code a été donné pleinement, avec tous les droits afférents, à .NET Fondation. Alors que reste-il ? Pourquoi dès lors en rajouter ? Le texte dit qu'aucune licence ou droits additionnels ne saurait être accordé par voie de conséquence, par l'épuisement, estoppel ou autre (traduction personnelle). Cette partie n'est pas tant pour le contributeur que pour .NET Fondation. C'est une préparation pour l'avenir quant à son utilisation du code, ses transformations, sa vente, etc. Ainsi aucune des deux parties, sous entendu le contributeur, ne peut se prévaloir d'accords ou d'effets particuliers suite à la diffusion du code. Par exemple, en ce qui concerne la voie de conséquence : ça n'est pas parce que .NET Fondation va inclure le code dans son projet sous la licence MIT (Expat) en laissant le nom du contributeur que celui-ci a un droit de regard sur le code publié. Il ne pourrait donc pas en demander le retrait pour une raison x ou y en se prévalant d'en être l'auteur initial. La licence MIT (Expat) permet normalement de rendre du code non libre, de le retirer, par exemple. En gros, le contributeur se refuserait à dire devant un juge : c'est mon code, il est publié sous mon nom par .NET Fondation (quoique cela reste à voir s'ils vont intégrer le nom des contributeurs), la licence Expat me permet de retirer mon code et de le rendre non-libre, alors faîtes-le. Dans ce cas, la fondation opposerait au contributeur la clause 4.3 du contrat qu'il a signé. Ça va de paire aussi avec l'estoppel en substance est un principe indiquant que nul ne peut se contredire au détriment d'autrui. On pourrait prendre un exemple comme cela pour chaque cas. Et surtout notons le ou autre, qui laisse une ouverture totale. Il y a eu des débats très chauds concernant les copyright assignment (cf Canonical par exemple), mais là il ne s'agit pas de ça, ce CLA ne me semble pas différer (mais JNSPJ) de ceux qu'on trouve chez Google, Apache ou Canonical (nouvelle version). https://cla.developers.google.com/about/google-individual http://www.apache.org/licenses/icla.txt https://assets.ubuntu.com/sites/ubuntu/latest/u/files/section/legal/Canonical-HA-CLA-ANY-I_v1.2.pdf Pour Apache et Canonical, très brièvement. Pour Apache, et je cite, « this license is for your protection as a Contributor as well as the protection of the Foundation and its users; it does not change your rights to use your own Contributions for any other purpose. » Je traduis la fin pour la forme : cela ne change pas vos droits quant à votre utilisation de vos contributions à d'autres fins. Pour Canonical, et je cite, « you retain ownership of the Copyright in Your Contribution and have the same rights tu use or license the Contribution which You would have had without entering into the Agreement ». Je ne traduis pas, la signification est semblable à celle d'Apache. Dans ces deux contrats, il est clairement explicité que le contributeur conserve ses droits sur sa contribution ; et même les deux contrats commencent par ça. Il accorde simplement des droits d'utilisation (qui sont larges je te l'accorde) aux projets mais sans rien enlever au contributeur quant à sa capacité à faire ce qu'il veut de son code (surtout concernant son code soumis, non publié). On ne trouve rien de ce genre dans la CLA de .NET Fondation. Le contributeur accorde tous ses droits à la fondation. Point. Conséquence, le code appartient à .NET Fondation et plus au contributeur. Aussi, et au vue de cela, je suis en parfait désaccord avec toi. Ces contrats diffèrent de manière très
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 01:34:21AM +0100, Haricophile wrote: Le Mon, 17 Nov 2014 00:02:14 +0100, FGK f...@opmbx.org a écrit : Pour en terminer là, le but de ma première intervention était simplement de mettre en lumière ce que _permet_ cette CLA. Son application pratique par la .NET Fondation étant tout autre chose. Il est hors de question pour moi, je le répète, de jeter la pierre. Il existe des tas de développeurs pour lesquels cette situation ne présente aucun problème, à commencer par ceux qui ont l'habitude que leur code appartiennent totalement à la boîte pour laquelle il travaille. Par contre, ça en gène d'autres, et s'ils signent sans savoir, une belle déconfiture est à prévoir. C'est là où RMS fait la distinction entre Opensource et Libre, ce qui n'est pas compris par tout le monde. Il y a des gens qui veulent simplement pouvoir bosser avec le code sans trop comprendre que le libre a des implications concrètes qui vont plus loin que la pure doctrine ou la philosophie. Il y a d'ailleurs aussi ceux qui veulent avoir de l'open-source pas libre, ceci semble en être une assez bonne illustration. Je pense même que c'est plus large que cela. Nous avons une vraie différence entre ce que propose la FSF, Canonical ou Apache comme en donne l'exemple D. Barbier. Chez eux le but est de se protéger, d'éviter les problèmes quand le code a été soumis, intégré au projet (donc a demandé de nombreuses heures de travail) et au cas où le contributeur souhaiterait retirer son code à la dernière minute, mettant donc un bronx pas possible dans le travail déjà effectué. Je reprend ici l'exemple de de l'affaire Jambunathan K quand ce dernier a voulu faire retirer ox-html.el et ox-odt.el d'org-mode alors que tout était en place pour publication. Pour de grands projets une demande comme celle de Jambunathan K compromettait la bonne avancée du projet Emacs --- blocant plusieurs jours le travail de tout le monde et demandant un effort conséquent pour tout corriger. Je ne pense pas que les CLAs proposées par ces trois-là soient forcément quelque chose de mal, même s'il faut prendre garde aux selling exceptions ainsi que l'expose Stallman en 2010[1]. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/rms/assigning-copyright Pour .NET Fondation et sa CLA, je crois que l'on sort carrément du champs du logiciel libre et open source. Il en irait de même pour Google. Dans un registre différent, j'ai vu avec intérêt la question qu'a posé un journaliste à Bill Gates, en pleine tournée humanitaire en Afrique en présence des enfants aidés par sa fondation, concernant le travail des enfants dans les filières de fabrication des ordinateurs et téléphones. [snip (15 lines)] Je me souviens d'avoir vu un documentaire très intéressant sur le principe des fondations étasuniennes il y a quelques temps. Les journalistes mettaient en avant justement leur utilisation peu scrupuleuse comme tu l'expliques. Je ne me souviens plus du nom du documentaire par contre, dommage... F- -- -:%*- FGK f...@opmbx.org -*%:- http://f6k.github.io -:%*- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117203930.GC2435@shyla
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 05:38:52PM +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: C'est important, afin de ne pas laisser les journaleux faire des déclarations tonitruantes à effets d'annonces achetez mon journal, du genre : Microsoft migre vers les Logiciels Libres et l'Opensource, sous entendu la paix est signée entre les deux communautés. Comme cela s'était passé il y a quelques années avec l'accord entre Linux-Suse et Microsoft, le Figaro titrait : La paix enfin signée entre Microsoft et Linux (Benh voyons... !) Boh, je suis pas sûr que les contributeurs du libre et de l'open source soient forcément dupes quant aux annonces de Microsoft. Ne serait-ce que pour d'autres entreprises, il y a eu un grand changement si on pense par exemple à Google. On peut faire toutes les critiques que l'on veut, les communautés sont réactives. Même à propos de logiciel fer-de-lance Mozilla, il y a pas mal d'accusations (je pense à l'annonce récente vous êtes libres où il y a eu pas mal de lulz en mettant en avant les relations avec Google). Idem, mais à l'inverse, pour des services comme github, service fermé mais utilisant des logiciels libres. Les communautés gardent un sens critique. Je ne sais plus où j'ai lu que github hébergeait bien plus de code libre que gitlab qui lui a pas mal de logiciel à source fermée (je n'ai jamais vérifié l'information, je ne sais pas si c'est vrai). Par contre, effectivement, en ce qui concerne les annonces grand public, là... F- -- -:%*- FGK f...@opmbx.org -*%:- http://f6k.github.io -:%*- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117204707.GD2435@shyla
Re: DKIM Re: Ma Debian va très mal !!
On 11/17/2014 08:29 PM, MERLIN Philippe wrote: Le lundi 17 novembre 2014, 20:07:38 maderios a écrit : On 11/17/2014 06:29 PM, MERLIN Philippe wrote: Bonjour, Pas de messages personnels. Merci de poster sur la liste. je ne comprends pas ton message, j'ai posté ma précédente réponse sur la liste. Désolé, erreur de ma part. C'est un autre interlocuteur qui m'a adressé un message perso. -- Maderios -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a60a2.7080...@gmail.com
Re: cracker une .rar
Bonsoir, Il est très difficile (pour ne pas dire impossible) de pouvoir cracker des mots de passe d'archives vu qu'il est quasiment tout le temps nécessaire d'avoir recours à la force brute. (c'est exceptionnel qu'une archive dispose d'un mot de passe issu d'un dictionnaire quelconque). Et à partir d'un mot de passe de 9 caractères, c'est mission impossible...que dire d'un mot de passe comme www.lenomdusite.com/loutilquonvise?id=1324754 (ce qui est monnaie courante) Donc, je confirme ce que disent les collègues, il faut que le mot de passe soit donné sinon, l'archive est bonne pour la poubelle. Pascal Le 17 novembre 2014 17:27, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Monday 17 November 2014 17:04:24 you wrote: Appeler le vendeur du site... veuillez me donner le mot de passe, car j'ai payé ce livre Ben oui, mais ils ne répondent pas aux mails et ils sont localisés aux USA : Ont-il un tél ? As tu envoyé un chèque, virement ou par carte de crédit ? si chèque ou virement, ils attendent de le recevoir, pour t'envoyer le MdP. Payé par CB. Ils m'ont envoyé le mot de passe pour télécharger le fichier. Ce que j ai fait. Mais je n'arrive pas à récupérer le mot de passe pour le fichier. Donc le MdP t'a bien été envoyé mais il est illisible et la société ne répond pas. Quelle est le problème pour ne pas pouvoir récupérer le MdP ? Humm... sinon, il doit exister des crackers de mot de passe pour fichiers .rar... André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411171727.10485.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: cracker une .rar
On Monday 17 November 2014 21:59:29 you wrote: Il est très difficile (pour ne pas dire impossible) de pouvoir cracker des mots de passe d'archives vu qu'il est quasiment tout le temps nécessaire d'avoir recours à la force brute. (c'est exceptionnel qu'une archive dispose d'un mot de passe issu d'un dictionnaire quelconque). Et à partir d'un mot de passe de 9 caractères, c'est mission impossible...que dire d'un mot de passe comme www.lenomdusite.com/loutilquonvise?id=1324754 (ce qui est monnaie courante) Donc, je confirme ce que disent les collègues, il faut que le mot de passe soit donné sinon, l'archive est bonne pour la poubelle. Pascal Merci de ne pas répondre en double mail. Pauvre Frédéric, si il ne peut recevoir le mot de passe du fichier .rar. À moins que le paiement se soit absenté on ne sait ou, expliquant pourquoi les américains ne répondent pas à ses mails. :-) André Le 17 novembre 2014 17:27, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Monday 17 November 2014 17:04:24 you wrote: Appeler le vendeur du site... veuillez me donner le mot de passe, car j'ai payé ce livre Ben oui, mais ils ne répondent pas aux mails et ils sont localisés aux USA : Ont-il un tél ? As tu envoyé un chèque, virement ou par carte de crédit ? si chèque ou virement, ils attendent de le recevoir, pour t'envoyer le MdP. Payé par CB. Ils m'ont envoyé le mot de passe pour télécharger le fichier. Ce que j ai fait. Mais je n'arrive pas à récupérer le mot de passe pour le fichier. Donc le MdP t'a bien été envoyé mais il est illisible et la société ne répond pas. Quelle est le problème pour ne pas pouvoir récupérer le MdP ? Humm... sinon, il doit exister des crackers de mot de passe pour fichiers .rar... André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411172234.56881.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 09:22:29PM +0100, FGK wrote: Par exemple, en ce qui concerne la voie de conséquence : ça n'est pas parce que .NET Fondation va inclure le code dans son projet sous la licence MIT (Expat) en laissant le nom du contributeur que celui-ci a un droit de regard sur le code publié. Il ne pourrait donc pas en demander le retrait pour une raison x ou y en se prévalant d'en être l'auteur initial. La licence MIT (Expat) permet normalement de rendre du code non libre, de le retirer, par exemple. En gros, le contributeur se refuserait à dire devant un juge : c'est mon code, il est publié sous mon nom par .NET Fondation (quoique cela reste à voir s'ils vont intégrer le nom des contributeurs), la licence Expat me permet de retirer mon code et de le rendre non-libre, alors faîtes-le. Dans ce cas, la fondation opposerait au contributeur la clause 4.3 du contrat qu'il a signé. Ça va de paire aussi avec l'estoppel en substance est un principe indiquant que nul ne peut se contredire au détriment d'autrui. On pourrait prendre un exemple comme cela pour chaque cas. Et surtout notons le ou autre, qui laisse une ouverture totale. Mon exemple est mauvais ; mais l'idée générale y est... F- -- -:%*- FGK f...@opmbx.org -*%:- http://f6k.github.io -:%*- -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117213558.GF2435@shyla
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
On Monday 17 November 2014 21:47:09 FGK wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 05:38:52PM +0100, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote: C'est important, afin de ne pas laisser les journaleux faire des déclarations tonitruantes à effets d'annonces achetez mon journal, du genre : Microsoft migre vers les Logiciels Libres et l'Opensource, sous entendu la paix est signée entre les deux communautés. Comme cela s'était passé il y a quelques années avec l'accord entre Linux-Suse et Microsoft, le Figaro titrait : La paix enfin signée entre Microsoft et Linux (Benh voyons... !) Boh, je suis pas sûr que les contributeurs du libre et de l'open source soient forcément dupes quant aux annonces de Microsoft. Ne serait-ce que pour d'autres entreprises, il y a eu un grand changement si on pense par exemple à Google. On peut faire toutes les critiques que l'on veut, les communautés sont réactives. Même à propos de logiciel fer-de-lance Mozilla, il y a pas mal d'accusations (je pense à l'annonce récente vous êtes libres où il y a eu pas mal de lulz en mettant en avant les relations avec Google). Idem, mais à l'inverse, pour des services comme github, service fermé mais utilisant des logiciels libres. Les communautés gardent un sens critique. Je ne sais plus où j'ai lu que github hébergeait bien plus de code libre que gitlab qui lui a pas mal de logiciel à source fermée (je n'ai jamais vérifié l'information, je ne sais pas si c'est vrai). Par contre, effectivement, en ce qui concerne les annonces grand public, là... Les passionnés du logiciel libre et opensource n'en seront pas dupes, oui, Le grand public utilisateur de Windows et ses pompes y verront (naïvement) un virage positif de la firme de Redmond, sans doute le plan escompté par Microsoft pour rebondir. La firme a perdu la bataille du mobile, Androïd est majoritaire, elle voit la part de marché de ses logiciels dont professionnels se rétrécir, la crise faisant préférer l'opensource, (c'est quand même moins cher et ça marche). Il faut donc faire quelque chose dans ce sens... tout en gardant la main mise sur les codes source. André -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201411172254.32943.andre_deb...@numericable.fr
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
Le 17 novembre 2014 20:22, FGK a écrit : [...] En ce qui concerne le CLA de Google par contre, a priori je te rejoindrai. Mais je ne l'ai lu qu'en diagonale. À première vue, il n'est pas dit que le contributeur conserve ses droits sur son code tandis qu'ils les accordent bien à Google. Si si, au 1er paragraphe. Mais ce texte vient en préambule, je suis étonné que ça ait une quelconque valeur. C'est aussi marqué (pour Google et Apache) que le CLA protège le contributeur ; or je ne vois pas en quoi abandonner une partie de ses droits permet de se protéger. Pour finir avec ce message déjà trop long, je me permet de faire une remarque concernant ton intervention ce sont des CLAs, ils ne différent en rien. Je préfère voir cela comme une question : ce sont tous des CLAs, en quoi diffèrent-ils ? [...] Oui, tu as bien sûr raison, ce que je voulais dire, c'est qu'on est passé d'une politique de copyright assignment il y a quelques années à une politique de license agreement, qui me semble beaucoup plus équilibrée (dans son ensemble, il faut évidemment regarder au cas par cas), et le CLA de .NET me semblait suivre la même voie. Tu dis qu'en pratique, le CLA est un copyright assignment : Conséquence, le code appartient à .NET Fondation et plus au contributeur Je ne suis pas d'accord, mais bon, en le relisant, la section 8 me semble hautement problématique, je n'ai donc pas envie de le défendre. En tant que non-juriste, je ne comprends pas les implications de cette section, et n'aurais aucune envie de signer ce CLA. Idem pour celui de Canonical, au passage (section 6.1). Ah zut, je l'ai signé ;-) D'accord pour dire que tous les CLA ne se valent pas ; ceux d'Apache et de Google me semblent les moins mauvais, ils sont courts et sont compréhensibles par des non-initiés. Mais les communautés sont toujours réticentes à s'engager dans cette voie, Arduino est en train de l'apprendre à ses dépens par exemple https://groups.google.com/a/arduino.cc/forum/#!topic/developers/9dirF2aXhAE Denis -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/camqf4ege-jxrguprqnwjv5trzvev57jmsezmia5ngujn5nx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
L'histoire se répète: Microsoft voyant qu'il ne peut pas vaincre Linux essaie de l'infiltrer grâce à des sociétés secrètes pour le pervertir et le contrôler, tout comme en son temps l'empire romain a voulu pervertir le christianisme en en faisant une religion d'état gouvernée secrètement par une élite romaine païenne ce qui a produit toutes les horreurs qu'ont fait subir les catholiques au monde entier et qui a discrédité le christianisme au yeux du plus grand nombre. De même, Microsoft veut prendre le contrôle de Linux, notamment avec des sociétés amies (même si elles paraissent être concurrentes) afin de contrôler le monde du logiciel. Cela fait maintenant longtemps que Microsoft possède sa propre distribution Linux (une société qu'elle contrôle en est le développeur). Microsoft cherche à s'imposer toujours plus. Ils ont compris que Windows n'avait aucune chance alors ils noyautent Linux. Nous sommes attaqués de toutes parts, par des gens qui se disent partisans des logiciels libres mais qui sont secrètement affiliés à Microsoft ou à d'autres sociétés du monde du logiciel ou du hardware, dont le seul objectif est de priver le monde entier de liberté pour imposer un nouvel ordre mondial. Ce nouvel ordre mondial est toujours le même, il n'a pas changé depuis l'empire romain. Et pour brouiller les pistes, cet empire du crime essaie de vous faire croire que ce nouvel ordre mondial est fomenté par les juifs. Ce racisme évident est la pour vous détourner du véritable ennemi, un ordre maçonique créé par l'empire romain, en premier lieu pour contrôler l'église catholique. Aujourd'hui, cet ordre maçonnique romain catholique est là pour prendre le contrôle de votre ordinateur et imposer au monde entier le règne de l'esclavage, comme les empereurs romains l'ont toujours décidé. L'objectif de cette société secrète est de faire de nous leurs esclaves. Microsoft fait croire à tous qu'il est sur le déclin; ce n'est qu'une ruse; Microsoft est en train de prendre le contrôle de Linux, via des sociétés qui ont connu un succès financier fulgurant durant les années récentes (vous savez bien de qui je parle). - Mail original - De: D. Barbier bou...@gmail.com À: mailing liste debian française debian-user-french@lists.debian.org Envoyé: Lundi 17 Novembre 2014 23:11:44 Objet: Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ? Le 17 novembre 2014 20:22, FGK a écrit : [...] En ce qui concerne le CLA de Google par contre, a priori je te rejoindrai. Mais je ne l'ai lu qu'en diagonale. À première vue, il n'est pas dit que le contributeur conserve ses droits sur son code tandis qu'ils les accordent bien à Google. Si si, au 1er paragraphe. Mais ce texte vient en préambule, je suis étonné que ça ait une quelconque valeur. C'est aussi marqué (pour Google et Apache) que le CLA protège le contributeur ; or je ne vois pas en quoi abandonner une partie de ses droits permet de se protéger. Pour finir avec ce message déjà trop long, je me permet de faire une remarque concernant ton intervention ce sont des CLAs, ils ne différent en rien. Je préfère voir cela comme une question : ce sont tous des CLAs, en quoi diffèrent-ils ? [...] Oui, tu as bien sûr raison, ce que je voulais dire, c'est qu'on est passé d'une politique de copyright assignment il y a quelques années à une politique de license agreement, qui me semble beaucoup plus équilibrée (dans son ensemble, il faut évidemment regarder au cas par cas), et le CLA de .NET me semblait suivre la même voie. Tu dis qu'en pratique, le CLA est un copyright assignment : Conséquence, le code appartient à .NET Fondation et plus au contributeur Je ne suis pas d'accord, mais bon, en le relisant, la section 8 me semble hautement problématique, je n'ai donc pas envie de le défendre. En tant que non-juriste, je ne comprends pas les implications de cette section, et n'aurais aucune envie de signer ce CLA. Idem pour celui de Canonical, au passage (section 6.1). Ah zut, je l'ai signé ;-) D'accord pour dire que tous les CLA ne se valent pas ; ceux d'Apache et de Google me semblent les moins mauvais, ils sont courts et sont compréhensibles par des non-initiés. Mais les communautés sont toujours réticentes à s'engager dans cette voie, Arduino est en train de l'apprendre à ses dépens par exemple https://groups.google.com/a/arduino.cc/forum/#!topic/developers/9dirF2aXhAE Denis -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/camqf4ege-jxrguprqnwjv5trzvev57jmsezmia5ngujn5nx...@mail.gmail.com -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers
Re: Ma Debian va très mal !!
Le Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:29:50PM +0100, MERLIN Philippe a écrit : Depuis le mois de juin de cette année j'ai des problèmes avec ma debian Sid … J'ai lu dans les Dernières nouvelles du projet Debian que Jessie était gelé, j'espère que ces problèmes causés par systemd seront résolus car actuellement je ne conseillerai pas à quelqu'un de migrer sur les dernières version Debian. Bonjour Philippe, migrer de Wheezy à Jessie, ce n'est pas la même chose que de mettre à jour Sid de temps à autres. Dans le premier cas il y a énormément de travail fait pour s'assurer que la migration se passe bien, et dans le deuxième non seulement il n'y a aucune garantie, mais aussi il y a une grosse mise en garde que des choses peuvent casser. Amicalement, -- Charles Plessy Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japon -- Lisez la FAQ de la liste avant de poser une question : http://wiki.debian.org/fr/FrenchLists Pour vous DESABONNER, envoyez un message avec comme objet unsubscribe vers debian-user-french-requ...@lists.debian.org En cas de soucis, contactez EN ANGLAIS listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141118002630.gb...@falafel.plessy.net
Re: [HS] Microsoft s'ouvre t-elle à l'opensource ?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 10:11:44PM +, D. Barbier wrote: Le 17 novembre 2014 20:22, FGK a écrit : [...] En ce qui concerne le CLA de Google par contre, a priori je te rejoindrai. Mais je ne l'ai lu qu'en diagonale. À première vue, il n'est pas dit que le contributeur conserve ses droits sur son code tandis qu'ils les accordent bien à Google. Si si, au 1er paragraphe. Haha, ah merci. J'avais lu tout ça plus qu'en diagonale au final... Dans ce cas, je rangerais les CLAs d'Apache, Google, Canonical et FSF dans le même sac (avec peut-être des variations au sein de ce sac, à voir) ; et mettrais celle de .NET Fondation à part. Mais ce texte vient en préambule, je suis étonné que ça ait une quelconque valeur. Dans un contrat tout ce qui est écrit à une valeur. Tu peux mettre des touts petits caractères en bas de la page, dire que c'est un préambule, une adjonction, qu'importe, ça fait partie du contrat, donc c'est opposable. C'est aussi marqué (pour Google et Apache) que le CLA protège le contributeur ; or je ne vois pas en quoi abandonner une partie de ses droits permet de se protéger. Là tu soulèves un lièvre. Le but des CLAs dans le monde du logiciel libre et open source est clairement de protéger le projet, mais avec quelques variations. Si on reprend à nouveau l'exemple de Jambunathan K (décidemment j'aime vraiment cet exemple) qui souhaite retirer tout son travail juste avant la publication, mais après que tout le travail d'intégration a été fait, la CLA ne va pas dans son sens. L'idée de la FSF ici est de dire : ok, vous avez envoyer une contribution au projet dans le but qu'elle soit rendue publique et libre/open source. Maintenant, juridiquement, le code vous appartenant totalement jusqu'à publication vous pouvez en demander le retrait. Sauf que voyez-vous, cher contributeur adoré, ça nous fouterait dans une panade pas possible, non seulement nous mais aussi tous les autres contributeurs. Donc on vous demande de signer ça de sorte que votre code soit libre et utilisable par nous dès que vous le soumettez. On ne vous demande pas d'abandonner vos droits mais simplement de nous permettre de l'utiliser pour le projet. Il n'y a donc pas, techniquement, d'abandon de droits. Seulement de donner des droits à quelqu'un d'autre. La formulation à ce propos de Canonical est tout à fait intéressante je trouve. Si on reprend le point 2.1 (a) il est dit que vous gardez vos droits comme si vous n'aviez jamais signer cet accord. Donc oui, je pense qu'il est très clair effectivement que le but des CLAs n'est pas tant de protéger le contributeur individuel mais bien le projet. Mais il était peut-être nécessaire de rassurer le contributeur d'emblée en lui expliquant qu'il n'a rien à craindre. Après, on peut considérer aussi que le contributeur sachant exactement ce qu'il advient de sa contribution, ça le protège aussi. Ensuite, les CLAs, dans l'absolu, je trouve ça légitime d'une certaine façon. Je m'explique. Normalement le contributeur veut que son code soit intégré au projet sous sa licence. Aucun besoin de CLA (comme ça a été le cas durant de nombreuses années). Mais comme il est arrivé des cas particuliers, il a fallut trouver une manière de combler cette insécurité pour le projet et aussi pour les autres contributeurs. Si une personne soumet une fonction importante, que tout le monde se met à travailler sur cette base et que cette personne, six mois plus tard, juste avant la publication, décide (et peut) retirer son travail au dernier moment, ça va causer du tord à beaucoup de monde. Donc en pratique ça n'est pas forcément que pour protéger le travail et les intérêts du projet mais aussi de tous les autres contributeurs. Pour le dire autrement, rendre le code libre (dans les meilleures CLAs) et réutilisable dès la soumission, avant la publication officielle, c'est faire primer l'intérêt général sur l'intérêt particulier. Évidemment, il faut bien lire le contrat et le comprendre (surtout dans ses effets) et voir si, en tant que contributeur, le compromis demandé par le projet est acceptable ou non. Mais, ça, c'est l'affaire de chacun. Conséquence, le code appartient à .NET Fondation et plus au contributeur Je ne suis pas d'accord, mais bon Étant donné que la CLA de .NET Fondation ne prévoit à aucun moment que le contributeur garde l'un quelconque de ses droits tandis qu'il les transfère à la Fondation, c'est pourtant la conclusion qui me paraît logique. , en le relisant, la section 8 me semble hautement problématique, je n'ai donc pas envie de le défendre. En tant que non-juriste, je ne comprends pas les implications de cette section, et n'aurais aucune envie de signer ce CLA. Idem pour celui de Canonical, au passage (section 6.1). Oui effectivement ces sections peuvent être problématiques, surtout en pratique. Il est d'usage d'expliciter dans certains contrats le tribunal compétent, histoire d'éviter des problèmes de territorialité, et quand ça n'est pas spécifiquement
Laporan Akhir DebConf14
Salam, Laporan akhir DebConf14 sudah bisa dibaca di: * http://media.debconf.org/dc14/report/DebConf14_final_report.en.pdf Semoga bermanfaat, -- Zaki Akhmad -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-indonesian-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAE7Ck-TW995_rG_-=rQjRG03h=4sgey6hg66mfut3fsuyer...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Error en consola Debian Wheezy
El día 14 de noviembre de 2014, 17:17, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:08:57 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: Buenas, tengo un servidor en casa con memorias ECC, y me devuelve esto a veces en la propia consola a través de syslog: kernel:EDAC i5400 MC0: Non-Fatal misc error (Branch=0 Err=0x1200 ((null))) Al menos dice que no es un error fatal... He googleado un poco y aconsejan hacer test de memoria con memtest para ver qué modulo pudiera estar mal. Alguien ha recibido este error alguna vez? Tengo algunas estaciones de trabajo y servidores con memorias ECC pero nunca he visto ese error en el dmesg en los equipos. Es buena idea pasar el test de memoria aunque lleve su tiempo. Ante cualquier indicio de que pueda estar fallando un módulo de memoria y si ves que esos errores se van incrementando con el paso del tiempo, reemplaza el módulo en cuanto puedas. Te puede resultar interesante la documentación del kernel sobre ese módulo: https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/edac.txt Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.14.16.17...@gmail.com Gracias por la ayuda. Hice un test de memoria y efectivamente uno de los módulos fallo. Los he quitado, los he limpiado, los he vuelto a conectar y de momento 2 días funcionando y sin ningún error...Como aparte de escupirlo en la terminal en la que estás conectado, también lo manda a syslog, le echaré un ojo. Muchas gracias. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJ2aOA8aEfj_DkOPZRZZmmGfsr2oB6sVqKuVvm0wHuT=rey...@mail.gmail.com
(SOLUCIONADO) Re: Prerotate no funciona como debería
El día 14 de noviembre de 2014, 9:46, ZorroPlateado
i32lelor.deb...@gmail.com escribió:
El 13/11/2014, a las 11:52, Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
Buenas, quiero que en el rotado de logs, antes de rotar, ejecuto
awstats(por ejemplo) en búsqueda del primer fichero no rotado, ejemplo
access.log.1 , con la opción de delaycompress.
/var/log/remote/*.log
{
daily
rotate 365
missingok
create 0664 www-data adm
compress
delaycompress
notifempty
sharedscripts
prerotate
/usr/share/doc/awstats/examples/awstats_updateall.pl now
-awstatsprog=/usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
endscript
postrotate
/etc/init.d/rsyslog restart /dev/null 21 || true
endscript
}
El problema es que cuando awstats busca el fichero
/var/log/remote/access.log.1 dice que no lo encuentra...Creo que lo
rota logrotate a través del cron daily, antes de que awstats pueda
leer y escanear el logs para generar la estadísticas...
Si ejecuto a mano el comando para generar estadísticas de todos los dominios:
/usr/share/doc/awstats/examples/awstats_updateall.pl now
-awstatsprog=/usr/lib/cgi-bin/awstats.pl
Funciona sin problemas, por eso achaco el problema al rotado de log de
logrotate...
Alguna idea de que estoy haciendo mal?
Gracias de antemano.
Saludos.
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Casi seguro que lo que te pasa es que awstas guarda la referencia del ionode
y no del fichero, de modo que hay que hacer un truncate diferente del fichero.
A mi me pasa lo mismo con openvpn, aquí te pego y fíjate en copytruncate :
/var/log/openvpn.log
{
rotate 15
daily
missingok
copytruncate
}
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Bien pensado lo de que awstats se fije en el inodo, aunque si lo miras
desde el punto de vista de aplicación eso sería fatal... Se usa mucho
awstats en el típico prerotate, y él debería de mirar el nombre del
fichero, no en el inodo donde se encuentra ese fichero...
Es más, lanzando logrotate -f funcionaba bien, no se quejaba de
que no existía...
Al final lo he puesto en el postrotate(aquí también cambia el fichero
de inodo y no se queja, funciona bien), porque el log está
constantemente escribiéndose sin parar y no voy analizar el log que
está en producción ej: ssl_access.log ya que no para de escribirse,
tenemos muchos vhost...Con la opción de delaycompress, ataco al ej_
ssl_access.log.1 (ya rotado, puesto que es postrotate) y listo.
Gracias no obstante.
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Re: Ver estadísticas de tráfico apache por url
El día 30 de octubre de 2014, 15:18, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:53:24 +0100, Maykel Franco Hernández Mo2o escribió: (Grrr...) El 29/10/2014 19:37, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:22:36 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: Buenas tardes, me preguntaba si existe alguna forma de monitorizar las visitas, el trafico y estadísticas ya no solo por vhost de apache, que se puede, sino por url ... Mejor si explicas eso de por url. Me refiero dependiendo si entras a http://www.example.com/test1.html o si entras a http://www.example.com/test2.html refleje las estadísticas, a parte del dominio. No lo pillo. Todos los programas de análisis de logs (hasta el más básico) registrarán dos entradas/accesos que serán contabilizados: una a test1.html y otra a test2.html Conozco awstats y webalizer pero creo que para este caso se quedan cortos... Precisamente acabo de desactivar uno de esos servicios de análisis exhaustivos de un servidor, a mí me vale con el Analog, me encanta ese programita :-) Um el analog tiene para estadísticas por dirección url diferentes dentro del mismo dominio? (...) Es que no sé a qué te refieres con eso, pero tienes ejemplos de informes de los programitas más comunes: http://www.webalizer.org/sample/index.html http://www.nltechno.com/awstats/awstats.pl?config=destailleur.fr http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sret1/stats/ Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.10.30.14.18...@gmail.com Gracias, de momento me quedo con awstats, funciona bien para lo que necesito aunque el procesado de logs a veces tarde, evidentemente. Me mire el analog, pero tiene la web caída y no me dio buena sensación... Y con el logformat me volví loco, yo necesito el logformat vhost_combined, que es como guardo los logs, y con awstats me quedo algo así: LogFormat = %virtualname %other %host %other %logname %time1 %methodurl %code %bytesd %refererquot %uaquot Pero con analog la verdad no supe como hacerlo. Analog también tiene que procesar logs? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJ2aOA-2s62gKeQvdC4noY-RoXeyd1dDehhT-+_=mrvn2pf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Redis vs Memcached vs couchbase
El día 27 de octubre de 2014, 0:28, Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: Buenas, estoy mirando la manera de tener un sistema replicado y distribuido con escalabilidad para guardar las sesiones que crean las app. Couchbase usa el mismo mecanimos que memcached, de echo en lo que he leído por lo visto algunos son los mismos desarrolladores. Memcached en este sentido no me vale, puesto que necesito que esté replicado en más instancias. Entonces me queda couchbase o redis. Una de las cuestiones que tengo es si hace falta cambiar las aplicaciones de backend echas para poder usar redis. No lo tengo claro. Couchbase tiene muy buena pinta. Alguien ha probado estos sistemas, me ayudaría en la decisión de usar uno u otro. Saludos. Al final probé couchbase , me interesaba que fuera distribuído, la verdad es que funciona muy bien. Me quedo con él, es prácticamente calcado a memcached. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJ2aOA8-vFr6a_=qitw=hbgkmm+ox_badr_vjvdwyzvtn2d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Backups con lvm snapshot en caliente - tamaño necesario
El día 17 de octubre de 2014, 17:42, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:04:31 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: 2014-10-16 20:14 GMT+02:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: El Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:32:01 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: Aprovecho este hilo para preguntar si alguien sabe como se traduce la variable Free PE , es decir, cuanto espacio realmente en MB te quedan disponibles en un Volumen Group de LVM. En este caso 12799 --- Physical volume --- PV Name /dev/sdc1 VG Name test PV Size 450.00 GiB / not usable 3.00 MiB Allocatable yes PE Size 4.00 MiB Total PE 115199 Free PE 12799 Allocated PE 102400 PV UUID kd9hiO-1zzD-nraa-ntzO-fdLk-eOEX-y8vRHf Saludos. ¿Has probado con pvs? Te lo comento por esto: How can I find out the free space on an LVM PV in human readable format? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/103535/how-can-i-find-out-the-free-space-on-an-lvm-pv-in-human-readable-format Perfecto Camaleón...Justo lo que necesitaba... Por cierto ese valor que aparece ahí, qué son bloques, sectores? No tengo ni idea :-? En el manual dice que es el número -cifra de cantidad, entiendo- de extents (no sé cómo se traduce ese término al español) físicas disponibles (o libres) pero supongo que esa cifra en bruto al administrador no le dice mucho salvo que quiera realizar operaciones con el volumen (mover datos, etc...) de manera precisa. Otro comando (vgdisplay) te muestra el número de extents y al lado su tamaño. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.10.17.15.42...@gmail.com Con pvs, lvs y vgs tengo más que suficiente. Muchas gracias, no conocía estos comandos que la verdad son super-útils. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJ2aOA_kTO_7WheV80DaOvQBPatx=_UNrTaeTHyj=s0+bgk...@mail.gmail.com
(SOLUCIONADO) Re: Backups con lvm snapshot en caliente - tamaño necesario
El día 17 de noviembre de 2014, 12:33, Maykel Franco maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 17 de octubre de 2014, 17:42, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Fri, 17 Oct 2014 13:04:31 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: 2014-10-16 20:14 GMT+02:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: El Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:32:01 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió: Aprovecho este hilo para preguntar si alguien sabe como se traduce la variable Free PE , es decir, cuanto espacio realmente en MB te quedan disponibles en un Volumen Group de LVM. En este caso 12799 --- Physical volume --- PV Name /dev/sdc1 VG Name test PV Size 450.00 GiB / not usable 3.00 MiB Allocatable yes PE Size 4.00 MiB Total PE 115199 Free PE 12799 Allocated PE 102400 PV UUID kd9hiO-1zzD-nraa-ntzO-fdLk-eOEX-y8vRHf Saludos. ¿Has probado con pvs? Te lo comento por esto: How can I find out the free space on an LVM PV in human readable format? http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/103535/how-can-i-find-out-the-free-space-on-an-lvm-pv-in-human-readable-format Perfecto Camaleón...Justo lo que necesitaba... Por cierto ese valor que aparece ahí, qué son bloques, sectores? No tengo ni idea :-? En el manual dice que es el número -cifra de cantidad, entiendo- de extents (no sé cómo se traduce ese término al español) físicas disponibles (o libres) pero supongo que esa cifra en bruto al administrador no le dice mucho salvo que quiera realizar operaciones con el volumen (mover datos, etc...) de manera precisa. Otro comando (vgdisplay) te muestra el número de extents y al lado su tamaño. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.10.17.15.42...@gmail.com Con pvs, lvs y vgs tengo más que suficiente. Muchas gracias, no conocía estos comandos que la verdad son super-útils. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJ2aOA_Tr-e9GKm6myj6YX+LWX8ufA9_9iSm_U=uf8ysmy2...@mail.gmail.com
Problema con filtros rsyslog en debian
Buenas, tengo un servidor de logs centralizado, y quiero poner un filtro para que, dependiendo del virtualname (subdominio vhost apache) del que llegue, lo escriba en un log o en otro. Tengo 5 nodos web, los cuales envían los logs por las facility en remoto: facility local1.info -- access.log facility local3.info -- ssl_access.log Y configurando rsyslog, lo mando en remoto al servidor de logs, por ejemplo 192.168.1.33 local1.info @@192.168.1.33 local2.info @@192.168.1.33 Actualmente tengo esta configuración en el servidor de logs: $template MsgFormat,%msg:2:$%\n local1.*/var/log/remote/access.log;MsgFormat local2.*/var/log/remote/error.log;MsgFormat local3.*/var/log/remote/ssl_access.log;MsgFormat En el cual me ayudasteis, sobre todo Camaleón, para quitar el timestamp de rsyslog que añade al log. Esto me funciona bien. El problema viene al generar estadísticas, porque por cada subdominio se tiene que recorrer todo el log, ya que están todos los subdominios en el mismo log, y quiero separarlos y filtrarlo en el servidor de logs, ej: m.prueba1.es -- /var/log/m.prueba1.es.log m.prueba2.es -- /var/log/m.prueba2.es.log m.prueba3.es -- /var/log/m.prueba3.es.log Editando rsyslog, lo dejo así: $template MsgFormat,%msg:2:$%\n $template m.prueba1.es,/var/log/m.prueba1.es.log if $syslogfacility-text == 'local1' and $msg startswith 'm.prueba1.es.log' and $programname == 'httpd' then -?m.prueba1.es;MsgFormat #local1.*/var/log/remote/access.log;MsgFormat local2.*/var/log/remote/error.log;MsgFormat local3.*/var/log/remote/ssl_access.log;MsgFormat Con esto, no me crea ni si quiera el log /var/log/m.prueba1.es.log . No sé que estoy haciendo mal...Puede ser que el template de MsgFormat se aplique tarde, al estar al final de la linea (el de timestamp) y el principio de la linea sea la que incluye rsyslog el timestamp y por eso no puede leer el m.prueba1.es de virtualname? O puede ser la versión de rsyslog, que la tengo un poquito anticuada? Gracias de antemano. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caj2aoa-cqjeyhtjmhnwwsedsrr3bdzxttjtjdn6p7gezx2c...@mail.gmail.com
ssh de solaris a debian
Buenas, me pasa algo raro, tengo esta instalación de OpenIndiana (que deriva de opensolaris) e intenté entrar a mi computadora (debian testing, y, como todos los lunes (me da flojera actualizar mas seguido), recién actualizada) # ssh 172.16.250.250 no common kex alg: client 'diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1', server ' curve25519-sha...@libssh.org ,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1' Hasta ahora solo encontré cosas como esta: http://tazlambert.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/cannot-connect-using-ssh-to-solaris/ pero se refiere a cuando el error lo da un server ssh con solaris;yo puedo entrar a los server que tengo con distintas versiones de FreeBSD, oracle 'algo' (creo que el 5.1) e incluso un ubuntu 14 lts, pero no puedo entrar esta debian, por eso sospecho que el problema lo tiene mi sshd. Para mas información: no es de vida o muerte, el cliente ssh se conecta bien con solaris (o sea hacer una conexión debian-solaris anda bien, lo que no anda es debian-solaris), en realidad quería sacar un archivo de mi computadora con el mc y ahí me enteré. Es mas, había entrado desde mi computadora a ese server por ssh y no quería cerrar sesión o abrir otra consola
Re: ssh de solaris a debian
Manda la salida de # ssh -vv 172.16.250.250 El 17 de noviembre de 2014, 9:53, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com escribió: Buenas, me pasa algo raro, tengo esta instalación de OpenIndiana (que deriva de opensolaris) e intenté entrar a mi computadora (debian testing, y, como todos los lunes (me da flojera actualizar mas seguido), recién actualizada) # ssh 172.16.250.250 no common kex alg: client 'diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1', server ' curve25519-sha...@libssh.org ,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1' Hasta ahora solo encontré cosas como esta: http://tazlambert.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/cannot-connect-using-ssh-to-solaris/ pero se refiere a cuando el error lo da un server ssh con solaris;yo puedo entrar a los server que tengo con distintas versiones de FreeBSD, oracle 'algo' (creo que el 5.1) e incluso un ubuntu 14 lts, pero no puedo entrar esta debian, por eso sospecho que el problema lo tiene mi sshd. Para mas información: no es de vida o muerte, el cliente ssh se conecta bien con solaris (o sea hacer una conexión debian-solaris anda bien, lo que no anda es debian-solaris), en realidad quería sacar un archivo de mi computadora con el mc y ahí me enteré. Es mas, había entrado desde mi computadora a ese server por ssh y no quería cerrar sesión o abrir otra consola
Re: Ver estadísticas de tráfico apache por url
El Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:28:33 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 30 de octubre de 2014, 15:18, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Conozco awstats y webalizer pero creo que para este caso se quedan cortos... Precisamente acabo de desactivar uno de esos servicios de análisis exhaustivos de un servidor, a mí me vale con el Analog, me encanta ese programita :-) Um el analog tiene para estadísticas por dirección url diferentes dentro del mismo dominio? (...) Es que no sé a qué te refieres con eso, pero tienes ejemplos de informes de los programitas más comunes: http://www.webalizer.org/sample/index.html http://www.nltechno.com/awstats/awstats.pl?config=destailleur.fr http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sret1/stats/ Gracias, de momento me quedo con awstats, funciona bien para lo que necesito aunque el procesado de logs a veces tarde, evidentemente. Me mire el analog, pero tiene la web caída y no me dio buena sensación... No sé por qué no han redireccionado la antigua página a la nueva: http://analog.sourceforge.net/ Y con el logformat me volví loco, yo necesito el logformat vhost_combined, que es como guardo los logs, y con awstats me quedo algo así: LogFormat = %virtualname %other %host %other %logname %time1 %methodurl %code %bytesd %refererquot %uaquot Pero con analog la verdad no supe como hacerlo. Analog también tiene que procesar logs? Sí, claro :-) La documentación de Analog es excepcional (sencilla y al punto), si quieres echarle un vistazo al apartado donde hablan de la configuración del archivo de registro lo tienes por aquí: http://analog.sourceforge.net/docs/logfmt.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.17.14.33...@gmail.com
Re: ssh de solaris a debian
El Mon, 17 Nov 2014 09:53:06 -0300, Gonzalo Rivero escribió: Buenas, Ese html... me pasa algo raro, tengo esta instalación de OpenIndiana (que deriva de opensolaris) e intenté entrar a mi computadora (debian testing, y, como todos los lunes (me da flojera actualizar mas seguido), recién actualizada) # ssh 172.16.250.250 no common kex alg: client 'diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1', server 'curve25519-sha...@libssh.org ,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1' Hasta ahora solo encontré cosas como esta: http://tazlambert.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/cannot-connect-using-ssh-to-solaris/ pero se refiere a cuando el error lo da un server ssh con solaris;yo puedo entrar a los server que tengo con distintas versiones de FreeBSD, oracle 'algo' (creo que el 5.1) e incluso un ubuntu 14 lts, pero no puedo entrar esta debian, por eso sospecho que el problema lo tiene mi sshd. (...) Pues a mí me parece acertado lo que sugieren ya que apuntan a un problema con la pareja de claves cliente/servidor y dado que no defines user/pass para conectar, entiendo que hay claves de por medio. Yo probaría lo que sugieren y además revisaría el archivo de configuración del servidor ssh para comrpobar que todo esté correcto. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.17.14.46...@gmail.com
Re: Ver estadísticas de tráfico apache por url
El día 17 de noviembre de 2014, 15:33, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: El Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:28:33 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 30 de octubre de 2014, 15:18, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) Conozco awstats y webalizer pero creo que para este caso se quedan cortos... Precisamente acabo de desactivar uno de esos servicios de análisis exhaustivos de un servidor, a mí me vale con el Analog, me encanta ese programita :-) Um el analog tiene para estadísticas por dirección url diferentes dentro del mismo dominio? (...) Es que no sé a qué te refieres con eso, pero tienes ejemplos de informes de los programitas más comunes: http://www.webalizer.org/sample/index.html http://www.nltechno.com/awstats/awstats.pl?config=destailleur.fr http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sret1/stats/ Gracias, de momento me quedo con awstats, funciona bien para lo que necesito aunque el procesado de logs a veces tarde, evidentemente. Me mire el analog, pero tiene la web caída y no me dio buena sensación... No sé por qué no han redireccionado la antigua página a la nueva: http://analog.sourceforge.net/ Y con el logformat me volví loco, yo necesito el logformat vhost_combined, que es como guardo los logs, y con awstats me quedo algo así: LogFormat = %virtualname %other %host %other %logname %time1 %methodurl %code %bytesd %refererquot %uaquot Pero con analog la verdad no supe como hacerlo. Analog también tiene que procesar logs? Sí, claro :-) La documentación de Analog es excepcional (sencilla y al punto), si quieres echarle un vistazo al apartado donde hablan de la configuración del archivo de registro lo tienes por aquí: http://analog.sourceforge.net/docs/logfmt.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.17.14.33...@gmail.com Gracias por contestar. Por lo que veo, el LogFormat de apache es compatible y el mismo para analog? LogFormat %h %l %u %t %v \%r\ %s %b myformat CustomLog /var/log/apache/access.log myformat then your analog.cfg should contain APACHELOGFORMAT (%h %l %u %t %v \%r\ %s %b) LOGFILE /var/log/apache/access.log Buena documentación. Voy a ver un poquito, porque vengo de awstatas que hay que procesar logs y alomejor este es diferente. Saludos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caj2aoa_hypmchzeqmowoastw3-g_um4ve35k0p503z-bryd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Problema con filtros rsyslog en debian
El Mon, 17 Nov 2014 12:58:35 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: Buenas, tengo un servidor de logs centralizado, y quiero poner un filtro para que, dependiendo del virtualname (subdominio vhost apache) del que llegue, lo escriba en un log o en otro. (...) El problema viene al generar estadísticas, porque por cada subdominio se tiene que recorrer todo el log, ya que están todos los subdominios en el mismo log, y quiero separarlos y filtrarlo en el servidor de logs, ej: (...) Maykel, ¿no sería más sencillo y eficiente separar los registros de los subdominios en origen? Es decir, configurar Apache para que genere un registro por dada subdominio (sub1.example.org/sub1.example.org) y cada tipo (sub1.example.org_access.log/sub1.example.org_secure.log/ sub1.example.org_error.log) por separado. Editando rsyslog, lo dejo así: $template MsgFormat,%msg:2:$%\n $template m.prueba1.es,/var/log/m.prueba1.es.log if $syslogfacility-text == 'local1' and $msg startswith 'm.prueba1.es.log' and $programname == 'httpd' then -?m.prueba1.es;MsgFormat #local1.*/var/log/remote/access.log;MsgFormat local2.*/var/log/remote/error.log;MsgFormat local3.*/var/log/remote/ssl_access.log;MsgFormat Con esto, no me crea ni si quiera el log /var/log/m.prueba1.es.log . No sé que estoy haciendo mal...Puede ser que el template de MsgFormat se aplique tarde, al estar al final de la linea (el de timestamp) y el principio de la linea sea la que incluye rsyslog el timestamp y por eso no puede leer el m.prueba1.es de virtualname? O puede ser la versión de rsyslog, que la tengo un poquito anticuada? En la documentación de rsyslog¹ (no sé qué versión estás usando) dice que para que funcione ese comparador la línea tiene que empezar con espacio, algo que me parece has eliminado expresamente: *** Note: when processing syslog messages, please note that $msg usually starts with a space. The reason for this is RFC3164. Please read the detail description of what that means to you. In short, you need to make sure that you include the first space if you use startswith, otherwise you will not get matches. *** ¹http://www.rsyslog.com/doc/rsyslog_conf_filter.html Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.17.15.13...@gmail.com
Re: Ver estadísticas de tráfico apache por url
El Mon, 17 Nov 2014 15:52:32 +0100, Maykel Franco escribió: El día 17 de noviembre de 2014, 15:33, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió: (...) http://analog.sourceforge.net/ Y con el logformat me volví loco, yo necesito el logformat vhost_combined, que es como guardo los logs, y con awstats me quedo algo así: LogFormat = %virtualname %other %host %other %logname %time1 %methodurl %code %bytesd %refererquot %uaquot Pero con analog la verdad no supe como hacerlo. Analog también tiene que procesar logs? Sí, claro :-) La documentación de Analog es excepcional (sencilla y al punto), si quieres echarle un vistazo al apartado donde hablan de la configuración del archivo de registro lo tienes por aquí: http://analog.sourceforge.net/docs/logfmt.html Por lo que veo, el LogFormat de apache es compatible y el mismo para analog? Yo uso directamente el mismo archivo access.log que genera Apache para que lo procese Analog, no he tenido que hacer ningún cambio. LogFormat %h %l %u %t %v \%r\ %s %b myformat CustomLog /var/log/apache/access.log myformat then your analog.cfg should contain APACHELOGFORMAT (%h %l %u %t %v \%r\ %s %b) LOGFILE /var/log/apache/access.log Buena documentación. Voy a ver un poquito, porque vengo de awstatas que hay que procesar logs y alomejor este es diferente. Sólo te diré una cosa, el Awstats tardé días en configurarlo. Farragoso a más no poder, no me gustaba nada aunque me servía también para analizar los registros del servidor de correo (Postfix). En cambio, al Analog lo puse en marcha en horas aunque también es verdad que no genera tantas barritas, banderitas ni geos-no-sé-qués pero para lo que lo necesito me basta y sobra :-) Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.17.15.20...@gmail.com
Re: ssh de solaris a debian
El lun, 17-11-2014 a las 09:55 -0300, Ricardo Eureka! escribió: Manda la salida de # ssh -vv 172.16.250.250 solaris a debian (el sentido en que no anda) # ssh -vv grivero@172.16.250.250 Sun_SSH_1.5, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090818f debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted. debug1: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to 172.16.250.250 [172.16.250.250] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/identity type -1 debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-BEGIN' debug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-END' debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_rsa type 1 debug1: identity file /root/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-Sun_SSH_1.5 debug1: use_engine is 'yes' debug1: pkcs11 engine initialized, now setting it as default for RSA, DSA, and symmetric ciphers debug1: pkcs11 engine initialization complete debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: es-AR debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: es-AR debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug1: Failed to acquire GSS-API credentials for any mechanisms (No credentials were supplied, or the credentials were unavailable or inaccessible ) debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,arcfour128,arcfour256,arcfour,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,blowfish-cbc,3des-cbc debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: hmac-md5,hmac-sha1,hmac-sha1-96,hmac-md5-96 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,zlib debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: es-AR debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: es-AR debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: ssh-rsa,ssh-dss,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com,chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-...@openssh.com,aes256-...@openssh.com,chacha20-poly1...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: umac-64-...@openssh.com,umac-128-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-...@openssh.com,umac...@openssh.com,umac-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: umac-64-...@openssh.com,umac-128-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha1-...@openssh.com,umac...@openssh.com,umac-...@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,z...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: none,z...@openssh.com debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0 debug2: mac_setup: found hmac-sha1 debug1: kex: server-client aes128-ctr hmac-sha1 none debug2: mac_setup: found hmac-sha1 debug1: kex: client-server aes128-ctr hmac-sha1 none no common kex alg: client 'diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group1-sha1', server 'curve25519-sha...@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1' debug1: Calling cleanup 0x807a08c(0x0) debian a solaris (el sentido que si anda): grivero@gonz:~$ ssh -vv 172.16.2.248 OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3, OpenSSL 1.0.1j 15 Oct 2014 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug1: /etc/ssh/ssh_config line 19: Applying options for * debug2: ssh_connect: needpriv 0 debug1: Connecting to 172.16.2.248 [172.16.2.248]
Error al actualizar Iceweasel
Saludos Lista! Estoy intentando aplicar la actualización del iceweasel y la misma no culmina exitosamente, a continuación (también intente con full-upgrade) root@server:# aptitude clean root@server:# aptitude autoclean Freed 0 B of disk space root@server:# aptitude update Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release.gpg Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy Release.gpg Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates Release.gpg Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy Release Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates Release Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Sources Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main amd64 Packages Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Translation-en Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main Sources Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main Translation-en/DiffIndex root@server:# aptitude safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: iceweasel 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 32.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 538 kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y Get: 1 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main iceweasel amd64 31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1 [32.3 MB] 14% [1 iceweasel 4,597 kB/32.3 MB 14%] 134 kB/s 3min 27s16% [1 iceweasel 5,315 kB/32.3 MB 16%] 206 kB/s 2min 11s17% [1 iceweasel 5,544 kB/32.3 MB 17%] 206 kB/s 2min 9s25% [1 iceweasel 7,995 kB/32.3 MB 25%] 81.4 kB/s 4min 59sFetched 32.3 MB in 3min 53s (139 kB/s) dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 Reading changelogs... Done (Reading database ... 101010 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace iceweasel 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1 (using .../iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb) ... Leaving 'diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by iceweasel' Unpacking replacement iceweasel ... dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2 Processing triggers for mime-support ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Processing triggers for menu ... Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Agradezco de antemanos sus comentarios y si requieren algún dato adicional favor notificar. Marco A. Da Silva A. Caracas, Venezuela -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/bay177-w3332f18fe50cad23f1f08af...@phx.gbl
Re: ssh de solaris a debian
Agrego: Revisa los logs de ssh tanto en el Debian como en el Solaris, a ver que pistas o errores te da. 2014-11-17 16:43 GMT-03:00 Ricardo Eureka! ricardoeur...@gmail.com: Gonzalo Limpio un poco e intercalo mis respuestas: El 17 de noviembre de 2014, 13:37, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com escribió: El lun, 17-11-2014 a las 09:55 -0300, Ricardo Eureka! escribió: Manda la salida de # ssh -vv 172.16.250.250 solaris a debian (el sentido en que no anda) # ssh -vv grivero@172.16.250.250 Asumo que el usuario grivero existe y tiene una contraseña o llave en el solaris. debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-Sun_SSH_1.5 debug1: use_engine is 'yes' debug1: pkcs11 engine initialized, now setting it as default for RSA, DSA, and symmetric ciphers debug1: pkcs11 engine initialization complete ... debug1: Failed to acquire GSS-API credentials for any mechanisms (No credentials were supplied, or the credentials were unavailable or inaccessible Si estas usando intercambio de llaves, revisa los permisos de archivos y directorios en el Solaris. Si no estas usando llaves, verifica que el Solaris tenga habilitada la opcion de acceder con password y revisa las compatibilidades de versiones de ambos ssh. Ahi tenes varias puntas para investigar.
Re: ssh de solaris a debian
Gonzalo Limpio un poco e intercalo mis respuestas: El 17 de noviembre de 2014, 13:37, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com escribió: El lun, 17-11-2014 a las 09:55 -0300, Ricardo Eureka! escribió: Manda la salida de # ssh -vv 172.16.250.250 solaris a debian (el sentido en que no anda) # ssh -vv grivero@172.16.250.250 Asumo que el usuario grivero existe y tiene una contraseña o llave en el solaris. debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-Sun_SSH_1.5 debug1: use_engine is 'yes' debug1: pkcs11 engine initialized, now setting it as default for RSA, DSA, and symmetric ciphers debug1: pkcs11 engine initialization complete ... debug1: Failed to acquire GSS-API credentials for any mechanisms (No credentials were supplied, or the credentials were unavailable or inaccessible Si estas usando intercambio de llaves, revisa los permisos de archivos y directorios en el Solaris. Si no estas usando llaves, verifica que el Solaris tenga habilitada la opcion de acceder con password y revisa las compatibilidades de versiones de ambos ssh. Ahi tenes varias puntas para investigar.
Re: Error al actualizar Iceweasel
El lun, 17-11-2014 a las 14:11 -0400, Marco Da Silva escribió: Saludos Lista! Estoy intentando aplicar la actualización del iceweasel y la misma no culmina exitosamente, a continuación (también intente con full-upgrade) root@server:# aptitude clean root@server:# aptitude autoclean Freed 0 B of disk space root@server:# aptitude update Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release.gpg Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy Release.gpg Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates Release.gpg Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy Release Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates Release Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Sources Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main amd64 Packages Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Translation-en Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main Sources Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main Translation-en/DiffIndex root@server:# aptitude safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: iceweasel 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 32.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 538 kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y Get: 1 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main iceweasel amd64 31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1 [32.3 MB] 14% [1 iceweasel 4,597 kB/32.3 MB 14%] 134 kB/s 3min 27s16% [1 iceweasel 5,315 kB/32.3 MB 16%] 206 kB/s 2min 11s17% [1 iceweasel 5,544 kB/32.3 MB 17%] 206 kB/s 2min 9s25% [1 iceweasel 7,995 kB/32.3 MB 25%] 81.4 kB/s 4min 59sFetched 32.3 MB in 3min 53s (139 kB/s) dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 Reading changelogs... Done (Reading database ... 101010 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace iceweasel 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1 (using .../iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb) ... Leaving 'diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by iceweasel' Unpacking replacement iceweasel ... dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2 Processing triggers for mime-support ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Processing triggers for menu ... Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Agradezco de antemanos sus comentarios y si requieren algún dato adicional favor notificar. aparentemente falló la descarga. Probá borrando /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb e intentando de nuevo Marco A. Da Silva A. Caracas, Venezuela -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416253549.1691.13.ca...@gmail.com
Re: Bajar version anterior de un paquete
2014-11-16 15:18 GMT-03:00 Camaleón noela...@gmail.com: El Sun, 16 Nov 2014 19:04:40 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 16/11/14 a las 18:26, Camaleón escribió: (...) Eduardo, ¿qué te dice la pestaña Versión en cada uno de esos paquetes? Eso es lo importante. Solo me aparece la versión 0.142-6 como (testing). ¿No debería salir también la anterior? No, porque para esos paquetes no tienes configurado ningún repositorio adicional que te proporcione otra versión (ni inferior ni superior), sólo el de testing y el de seguridad. (...) Me parece que te estás liando. La opción de Forzar versión sólo aparece cuando tienes varias opciones/versiones posibles, así que seguramente lo que te haya pasado es que en estable tenías habilitado el repositorio de testing de ahí que pudieras elegir entre dos versiones de un mismo paquete. Ahora en testing sólo tendrás el repo de testing de ahí que no te permita bajar la versión ;-) Pues creo que tienes razón... Pensándolo más detenidamente, creo que me salían varias versiones porque tenía el repositorio backports... :-) Si hubiera tenido solo el repositorio stable, cada paquete que se hubiera actualizado, sería el nuevo estable, y tampoco hubiera podido elegir otra versión anterior, ¿verdad? Sólo podrías seleccionar una versión anterior en los paquetes que hayan recibido alguna actualización de seguridad, como por ejemplo la imagen del kernel (linux-image-*), ahí sí que tendrías dos o más versiones disponibles en la pestaña de Versiones. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.16.18.18...@gmail.com Gente, muchisimas gracias por el dato. Me voy a proner a probarlo. -- Pablo
Re: Error al actualizar Iceweasel
El 17/11/14 a las 19:11, Marco Da Silva escribió: Saludos Lista! Estoy intentando aplicar la actualización del iceweasel y la misma no culmina exitosamente, a continuación (también intente con full-upgrade) root@server:# aptitude clean root@server:# aptitude autoclean Freed 0 B of disk space root@server:# aptitude update Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release.gpg Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy Release.gpg Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates Release.gpg Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy Release Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates Release Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main amd64 Packages Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Sources Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main amd64 Packages Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy/main Translation-en Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main Sources Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main amd64 Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://http.debian.net wheezy-updates/main Translation-en/DiffIndex root@server:# aptitude safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: iceweasel 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 32.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 538 kB will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y Get: 1 http://security.debian.org/ wheezy/updates/main iceweasel amd64 31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1 [32.3 MB] 14% [1 iceweasel 4,597 kB/32.3 MB 14%] 134 kB/s 3min 27s16% [1 iceweasel 5,315 kB/32.3 MB 16%] 206 kB/s 2min 11s17% [1 iceweasel 5,544 kB/32.3 MB 17%] 206 kB/s 2min 9s25% [1 iceweasel 7,995 kB/32.3 MB 25%] 81.4 kB/s 4min 59sFetched 32.3 MB in 3min 53s (139 kB/s) dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 Reading changelogs... Done (Reading database ... 101010 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace iceweasel 31.2.0esr-2~deb7u1 (using .../iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb) ... Leaving 'diversion of /usr/bin/firefox to /usr/bin/firefox.real by iceweasel' Unpacking replacement iceweasel ... dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2 Processing triggers for mime-support ... Processing triggers for desktop-file-utils ... Processing triggers for gnome-menus ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Processing triggers for hicolor-icon-theme ... Processing triggers for menu ... Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: Agradezco de antemanos sus comentarios y si requieren algún dato adicional favor notificar. Si esto es tal cual te ha sucedido y no has omitido información, yo veo que el paquete iceweasel no se te ha descargado completamente, tan sólo el 14%, por eso te da error la instalación. Repite el proceso a ver si se descarga el 100%. -- www.LinuxCounter.net Registered user #558467 has 2 linux machines -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/m4djau$p5j$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: ssh de solaris a debian
El lun, 17-11-2014 a las 16:43 -0300, Ricardo Eureka! escribió: Gonzalo Limpio un poco e intercalo mis respuestas: El 17 de noviembre de 2014, 13:37, Gonzalo Rivero fishfromsa...@gmail.com escribió: El lun, 17-11-2014 a las 09:55 -0300, Ricardo Eureka! escribió: Manda la salida de # ssh -vv 172.16.250.250 solaris a debian (el sentido en que no anda) # ssh -vv grivero@172.16.250.250 Asumo que el usuario grivero existe y tiene una contraseña o llave en el solaris. debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 debug1: match: OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-3 pat OpenSSH* debug1: Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-Sun_SSH_1.5 debug1: use_engine is 'yes' debug1: pkcs11 engine initialized, now setting it as default for RSA, DSA, and symmetric ciphers debug1: pkcs11 engine initialization complete ... debug1: Failed to acquire GSS-API credentials for any mechanisms (No credentials were supplied, or the credentials were unavailable or inaccessible Si estas usando intercambio de llaves, revisa los permisos de archivos y directorios en el Solaris. Si no estas usando llaves, verifica que el Solaris tenga habilitada la opcion de acceder con password y revisa las compatibilidades de versiones de ambos ssh. Ahi tenes varias puntas para investigar. gracias. Mañana que vuelva al trabajo sigo investigando -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416254671.1691.14.ca...@gmail.com
Re: Error al actualizar Iceweasel
El Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:46:40 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 17/11/14 a las 19:11, Marco Da Silva escribió: Saludos Lista! Estoy intentando aplicar la actualización del iceweasel y la misma no culmina exitosamente, a continuación (también intente con full-upgrade) (...) root@server:# aptitude safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: iceweasel 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 32.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 538 kB will be used. ^^^ (...) 4min 59sFetched 32.3 MB in 3min 53s (139 kB/s) ^^^ dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 Reading changelogs... Done (Reading (...) Si esto es tal cual te ha sucedido y no has omitido información, yo veo que el paquete iceweasel no se te ha descargado completamente, tan sólo el 14%, por eso te da error la instalación. Repite el proceso a ver si se descarga el 100%. No ha omitido información y parece que el archivo se ha descargado al completo (el formato del correo impide verlo correctamente) por lo que entiendo que el archivo se debe de haber corrompido en tránsito. Saludos, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/pan.2014.11.17.20.51...@gmail.com
Re: Error al actualizar Iceweasel
El lunes, 17 nov 2014 a las 21:51 horas (UTC+1), Camaleón escribió: El Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:46:40 +0100, Eduardo Rios escribió: El 17/11/14 a las 19:11, Marco Da Silva escribió: Saludos Lista! Estoy intentando aplicar la actualización del iceweasel y la misma no culmina exitosamente, a continuación (también intente con full-upgrade) (...) root@server:# aptitude safe-upgrade The following packages will be upgraded: iceweasel 1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 32.3 MB of archives. After unpacking 538 kB will be used. ^^^ (...) 4min 59sFetched 32.3 MB in 3min 53s (139 kB/s) ^^^ dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 Reading changelogs... Done (Reading (...) Si esto es tal cual te ha sucedido y no has omitido información, yo veo que el paquete iceweasel no se te ha descargado completamente, tan sólo el 14%, por eso te da error la instalación. Repite el proceso a ver si se descarga el 100%. No ha omitido información y parece que el archivo se ha descargado al completo (el formato del correo impide verlo correctamente) por lo que entiendo que el archivo se debe de haber corrompido en tránsito. Por lo que he leído del correo original creo que ha hecho más de un intento de descarga tras limpiar (aptitude clean). Yo no descartaría problemas en otro lado, como en el ordenador o en el estado de algún paquete. Saludos, Saludos. -- Manolo Díaz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117223017.37264...@gmail.com
Re: Error al actualizar Iceweasel
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 02:11:53PM -0400, Marco Da Silva wrote: dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: compressed data is corrupt dpkg-deb: error: subprocess decompress returned error exit status 2 dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/iceweasel_31.2.0esr-3~deb7u1_amd64.deb (--unpack): subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2 Puede que tengas problemas de hardware: https://bugs.debian.org/762817 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-spanish-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117213716.GA32215@nuc
Re: [01/05] Embedded with systemd: systemd and SIL
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Robert debembed...@gmail.com wrote: By choosing packages carefully, it is possible to use linux in applications that need to meet SIL1 or SIL2 criteria [1]. No. At least this is my understanding of the situation today. SIL, or System Integrity Level, is something that needs to be certified by a third party and I don't believe that has ever been done for Debian. It is usually done for proprietary RTOSes like QNX. I personally don't have any applications that need to meet SIL2, but it is possible to meet SIL1 by taking a normal installation and removing a bunch of stuff (initramfs, udev and inetd amongst others) until the system is deterministic enough (see the methodology in [2]). /sbin/init functions OK with a few static devices in/dev It is not enough. You need to demonstrate that you meet the SIL level you claim through certification. Given the tight udev/systemd marriage and the undeterministic nature of socket activation, I suspect that systemd will never be suitable for SIL applications. Are there any other debian embedded developers that need to meet SIL criteria? How are you planning to manage the fact that there are very few non-systemd distros left, or do we have to resign ourselves to a life of OpenEmbedded and buildroot? The two issues are orthogonal. Init processes don't really need to meet the SIL level since they're mostly a part of userland. OpenEmbedded is almost certainly not used by the current SIL certified OSes out there. There is however a project at OSADL which is planning to take a kernel and a very small userland, essentially Debian's net install as defined by debbootstrap. This work is being done in OSADL with the support of numerous companies since industries like the automotive industry find the current crop of SIL certified operating systems too inflexible to do many of the things they'd like to do on modern silicon. Look at the SIL2LinuxMP project for more: http://www.osadl.org/SIL2LinuxMP.sil2-linux-project.0.html Regards, Jeremiah [1] http://www.reliableembeddedsystems.com/pdfs/2010_03_04_rt_linux.pdf [2] http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrpdf/rr011.pdf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-embedded-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5468f252.50...@gmail.com -- Jeremiah C. Foster GENIVI COMMUNITY MANAGER Pelagicore AB Ekelundsgatan 4, 6tr, SE-411 18 Gothenburg, Sweden M: +46 (0)73 093 0506 jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com
Re: [04/05] Embedded with systemd: systemd and kernel upgrades
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:52:37PM +0200, Robert wrote: This was recently posted on #systemd-devel: To make this clear, we expect that systemd and kernels are updated in lockstep. We explicitly do not support really old kernels with really new systemd. So far we had the focus to support up to 2y old kernels (which means 3.4 right now), but even that should be taken with a grain of salt, as we already made clear that soon after kdbus is merged into the kernel we'll probably make a hard requirement on it from the systemd side. This is a very onerous requirement in the embedded world. There are many embedded platforms sold today that only have 2.6.X BSPs. While I agree that the BSP from vendors should be better (and it is getting better thanks to devicetree), it seems that we are doomed to run ancient userspace to match our ancient kernels. This change will probably hit me the hardest and for me it really cuts into what linux means. It used to be that I could run the same userspace on my tiny embedded device, my desktop or on the server --- the only difference being the kernel. It seems like the only solution here is to abandon debian and fall back to OpenEmbedded or buildroot. Not necessarily. If debian supports your embedded architecture, then you'll get the right thing. Now there's a number of avenues that Debian could take: * Backport the necessary features in the newer kernel to the older kernel (the bigger the change, though, the harder this will be as it will only be Debian supporting it, rather than the upstream kernel team) * Disconnect the 'lockstep' connection. I don't know the details, but it might be that, in practice, there is some wiggle room and the kernel and userspace could be, say, the same minor version but different patch levels. * Special-case the architecture. At the moment, for example, systemd is the default init with a Linux kernel; for the kfreebsd port cgroups are unavailable so systemd doesn't work. So kfreebsd is special-cased not to include systemd. If necessary, similar could be done for your architecture. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5468f275.5020...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling
Hallo, * st [Tue, Nov 11 2014, 02:01:46AM]: Hans wrote: And at the beginning things never work perfect That's why they shouldn't make it into Stable as defaults, now should they? We shouldn't and we are not. Because it's not the beginning, systemd already has multiple years of history behind. I am wick of people whining about problems that systemd allegedly has but that turn out to be a bug in something else when you dig deeper, or are actually solved long ago. Sometimes this solutions are badly documented, even so much that it hits my nerve, but apart from that systemd is mature enough for inclusion as primary init system. Regards, Eduard. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Embedded with systemd
-- Embedded with systemd: systemd and kernel upgrades This was recently posted on #systemd-devel: To make this clear, we expect that systemd and kernels are updated in lockstep. We explicitly do not support really old kernels with really new systemd. So far we had the focus to support up to 2y old kernels (which means 3.4 right now), but even that should be taken with a grain of salt, as we already made clear that soon after kdbus is merged into the kernel we'll probably make a hard requirement on it from the systemd side. This is a very onerous requirement in the embedded world. There are many embedded platforms sold today that only have 2.6.X BSPs. But I highly doubt those devices have modern userlands. While I agree that the BSP from vendors should be better (and it is getting better thanks to devicetree), it seems that we are doomed to run ancient userspace to match our ancient kernels. This change will probably hit me the hardest and for me it really cuts into what linux means. It used to be that I could run the same userspace on my tiny embedded device, my desktop or on the server --- the only difference being the kernel. I find it unlikely that you'd be able to run Jessie on your desktop and Jessie on your device, at least, not without a little bit of work. I think that work shouldn't be that hard actually, depending on what you've got for embedded hardware (you haven't been very specific yet.) Things like the Beagle Board run Debian out-of-the box, so depending on your hardware, things might be pretty easy. It seems like the only solution here is to abandon debian and fall back to OpenEmbedded or buildroot. OE, yocto, buildroot, etc. are always options. But iwith OE once you've built your image, you're on your ow, the vendor won't help you without a support contract and many of the userlands are maintained by large companies that will ignore you. With debian, you have a large community of support, including those working in Linaro. The big shadow hanging over embedded is not OE, but Android, which many embedded developers see as winning against GNU/Linux. This will mean a much more proprietary, or restricted, userland. Cheers, Jeremiah -- Embedded with systemd: systemd and realtime Given the existence of ( http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/MyServiceCantGetRealtime/ ), it seems that realtime and systemd is problematic. Has anyone tried the workarounds mentioned with a PREEMPT_RT kernel? How did it go? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-embedded-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5468fd5f.1060...@gmail.com -- Jeremiah C. Foster GENIVI COMMUNITY MANAGER Pelagicore AB Ekelundsgatan 4, 6tr, SE-411 18 Gothenburg, Sweden M: +46 (0)73 093 0506 jeremiah.fos...@pelagicore.com
Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 01:13:05PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/15/2014 08:51 AM, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-15, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: Why can't you wrap your lines while you're at it? Can't you set your mail client to wrap them for you ? Sure, and I can killfile the troll, correct the spelling and grammatical errors of the slothful and the ignorant, convert html to text, ignore spam and advertising, translate foreign languages, decipher cryptic codes, tolerate test messages and subscription or unsubscription requests, ignore the obscene, abide the rabid, suffer the rant, bear the ad hominem, and blow whatever's left out my ass. You'd be left w3ith a period and a semi-colon. :) Ric Excuse me, but some people think anatomy jokes are distasteful. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117111012.GE20978@tal
Re: Valuing non-code contributions -- was Re: systemd - so much energy wasted in quarreling
On 11/17/2014 6:10 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: Excuse me, but some people think anatomy jokes are distasteful. Some people think sex should only be for procreation... PC police get sooo tiring... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5469dcdb.2090...@libertytrek.org
Re: Joey Hess is out?
Hallo, * Slavko [Sat, Nov 08 2014, 04:13:12PM]: Why don't the anti-systemd people do what they've been threatening the whole time and fuck off to another distro or to FreeBSD? This is exact example why i stopped all my contribution to Debian, and i will not start it again, despite if i stay with Debian in future or not! I orphan my packages in near future. If the community consider people which have another opinion as bad, it is time do not contribute to it more. And whole debate is about one idea: If you don't like systemd, you are stupid. That's not my impression. It's more like: if you don't like systemd, don't use it. If you don't like it that much that you want to rant against it, make sure your arguments have some proof/backup. Since systemd hatters usually fail on the second task, the rhetorical arsenal is chosen accordingly (ad-hominem, trolling, misquoting, ...). Regards, Eduard. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 10:14:17PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 14 nov 14, 22:53:36, Joel Rees wrote: If you can't deal with it, snip it? I don't think it brings anything useful to a discussion on -user. That's much more suitable for some init-systemd-devel list. Re-read the wall of text you deleted, then think again about this suggestion. Or even the off-topic list, if anyone is interested. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117114428.GF20978@tal
Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 12:00:52PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/15/2014 08:35 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: At the same time, most debian users likely do not really care about transition plan and systemd. It was widely published everywhere in March and yet, no one would have cared if this mattered ? I installed systemd to Jessie as soon as it was announced. No problems so far. I'm happy. :) Ric Me too. A slight glitch at the start, but easily fixed. Everything running smooth as! -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117114909.GG20978@tal
Re: Why focus on systemd?
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 12:29:45PM -0600, John Hasler wrote: OdyX writes: ...please stop. Seriously. Please stop ranting about the ranting. Seriously. It's just as distracting and irritating as the rants themselves. Just filter the rant threads and those who post them. I'd filter all subjects containing the string [Ss]ystemd but there may be things about it that I need to see. Exactly! and there's the trouble. Separating the 'wheat from the chaff' is the issue we'll probably be facing when Jessie is actually released. :( A repeat performance is going to get boring very quickly. -- If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117120657.GH20978@tal
Re: Joey Hess is out?
Eduard Bloch writes: That's not my impression. It's more like: if you don't like systemd, don't use it. If I am left free of doing it, there is no problem, Debian does not force me to use any desktop environment at all, and that pleases me much, so if I am left free to use an older, tested and reliable init system there is no problem at all. If you don't like it that much that you want to rant against it, make sure your arguments have some proof/backup. Systemd is responsible of too many things, does too many things, and this is not a good design choice. There were other poor design choices, it seems that Debian maintainers have fixed some of them (i.e. renaming network devices), other seems to be still there (binary logs...). But I have no time or will to investigate the subject anymore. When Debian stable will use systemd in a default installation/dist-upgrade i will brace for impact and then consider what to do. Quickly, since my work depends on it :). Since systemd hatters usually fail on the second task, the rhetorical arsenal is chosen accordingly (ad-hominem, trolling, misquoting, ...). Beware. Using the second word of the arsenal may make its user elegible of being the one on the other end of the telephone in this strip: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990211 -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21609.59695.729334.363...@mail.eng.it
Re: init scripts [was: If Not Systemd, then What?]
On 11/17/2014 01:13 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 16 nov 14, 13:22:54, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 11:50 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: In the later case, one just has to read: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Incompatibilities/ to get very, very scared Each one a bug as per Debian policy (sysvinit support). Looks like we have our work cut out for us. Would you please be so kind to point out which bullet point contradicts which Policy section? Kind regards, Andrei Don't they all by definition? Did I miss something? I suspect the workaround in all cases is sysvinit-core, but the warning still applies to anyone who runs the default configuration. For the record, since you omitted my smiley, I don't assume these are not already well known, or that I am planning to file bug reports. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5469ea0c.3050...@ix.netcom.com
Re: [01/05] Embedded with systemd: systemd and SIL
Le 16. 11. 14 19:52, Robert a écrit : By choosing packages carefully, it is possible to use linux in applications that need to meet SIL1 or SIL2 criteria [1]. I personally don't have any applications that need to meet SIL2, but it is possible to meet SIL1 by taking a normal installation and removing a bunch of stuff (initramfs, udev and inetd amongst others) until the system is deterministic enough (see the methodology in [2]). /sbin/init functions OK with a few static devices in/dev Given the tight udev/systemd marriage and the undeterministic nature of socket activation, I suspect that systemd will never be suitable for SIL applications. Why did you think that localhost sockets activation is not deterministic ? When local process use localhost sockets, there is no transmission media with risk of packet loss, alteration, random latency, or reordering. AFAIK, dbus is designed to never loss a message under normal workload. Future kdbus will probably be even better on that matter. JCdR -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5469e648.1070...@eclis.ch
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On 17/11/14 12:25, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: There were other poor design choices, it seems that Debian maintainers have fixed some of them (i.e. renaming network devices), other seems to be still there (binary logs...). A default Debian jessie configuration has persistent text logs in /var/log written by rsyslog, and *volatile* binary logs in /run/log/journal written by systemd-journald. Removing the binary logs completely disables functionality of the systemd suite which an administrator familiar with systemd would expect to be present by default. Administrators of systemd-based systems who wish to turn off the binary log can, of course, simply add the line Storage=none to the [Journal] section of /etc/systemd/journald.conf, at which point systemd-journald will simply forward all log entries directly to rsyslog without writing them to a binary file. If installing, or upgrading to, jessie resulted in a configuration with *only* binary logs, and this was not the obvious foreseeable result and intent of a deliberate administrator action taken during the installation/upgrade procedure, then that is probably what we call a *bug*, and is the sort of thing that is why Debian has a testing branch. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5469f671.8000...@zen.co.uk
Re: dm-crypt/LUKS performance
On Sun, 16 Nov 2014, David Fuchs wrote: I am setting up a system with an Intel octo-core Avoton, which has AES-NI support. After doing some crude benchmarking tests with dd, I am surprised about the huge performance penalty that full-disk encryption apparently has on read/write throughput. You need to use a recent kernel that can run dm-crypt in parallel (and it needs to be compiled with that option enabled as well. I don't know if Debian's 3.16 is compiled like that). That information is missing from your report. The system will be used as a home file server, and the results with drive encryption are still acceptable - but I'm still curious if they are to be expected, or if there is an obvious culprit for the performance hit. Is it possible that I'm not using the hardware AES? Check in /proc/crypto whether aes-asm is listed, and whether it has a higher priority than aes-generic. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117132415.gc14...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: Embedded with systemd
On 17/11/14 21:14, Jeremiah Foster wrote: This is a very onerous requirement in the embedded world. There are many embedded platforms sold today that only have 2.6.X BSPs. But I highly doubt those devices have modern userlands. Which is why we (emdebian users) have ditched the job of maintaining the hardware vendor's half-hearted OpenEmbedded build and switched to simply using Debian multistrap friends in the first place, right? :-) This change will probably hit me the hardest and for me it really cuts into what linux means. It used to be that I could run the same userspace on my tiny embedded device, my desktop or on the server --- the only difference being the kernel. I too posted on this topic recently. A lot of boards, from not-so-obscure vendors, not to mention silicon for that matter is still being sold and included into new systems today which can barely run kernel 3.4 let alone 3.7. I (also) don't think systemd is a wrong choice for Debian, so please don't misread any perceived frustrations of mine as being anti-systemd. I think the reality is that those of us stuck supporting systems trapped on old kernels are going to suffer for a number of years until these devices are (very slowly!) retired and replaced with solutions containing SoCs from vendors who have finally figured out a sustainable business model that somehow includes proper ongoing kernel support. My plan is that if I find myself depending on packages which no longer work under sysvinit-core, I'll rebuild those packages for myself as needed (and share the results, if that's helpful): I have to do this already now anyway, for example to use build options which make more sense for a given target, or to make my own -nox (headless) versions of stuff that would otherwise drag in 200MiB+ of GTK/Qt dependencies. I find it unlikely that you'd be able to run Jessie on your desktop and Jessie on your device, at least, not without a little bit of work. I think That's exactly what I do (and I assume other emdebian users too). Even if it took me a week or two to get my build scripts going, and a bit more to tie it all into my CI and release management infrastructure it's still far more enjoyable, less error-prone and a lot less effort than pushing a pile of rotting bitbake recipes uphill. xapt and dpkg-cross tools are truly fantastic (not to mention the rest of debian, like debhelper). Especially for those of us maintaining packages which need to run in a bunch of different environments (not just embedded). -- Embedded with systemd: systemd and realtime Given the existence of ( http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/MyServiceCantGetRealtime/ ), it seems that realtime and systemd is problematic. Has anyone tried the workarounds mentioned with a PREEMPT_RT kernel? How did it go? It is my intention to make the |ControlGroup=cpu:/| approach work; I have been maintaining a systemd rootfs for one of my targets but haven't quite found the time to investigate this fully. Cheers -- Paul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416230073.34519.yahoomailba...@web162606.mail.bf1.yahoo.com
Re: Joey Hess is out?
* On 2014 17 Nov 06:01 -0600, Eduard Bloch wrote: Since systemd hatters usually fail on the second task, the rhetorical arsenal is chosen accordingly (ad-hominem, trolling, misquoting, ...). Here is the crux of the problem in these discussions and that is the use of haters as an ad hominem as part of the shaming language directed at those with concerns. It matters not who started it, but when one of the primary developers of systemd also engages in using this language to describe those who do have legitimate concerns, the discussion descends quickly into a non-productive direction especially when others follow his lead as being somehow acceptable. Personally, I do not hate systemd. While I have some concerns, I have been monitoring these threads for any technical tidbits and I've been using it to gain familiarity with what it offers and how to work with it. Unlike others, I do not have systems that are in an enterprise situation as mine are simply home desktops so my paycheck will not be impacted by the adoption of it. Despite that, I will not minimize or dismiss the concerns of others. - Nate -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true. Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117134648.ga22...@n0nb.us
Web site conformance and various browsers
sometimes i have issues with a website and i cannot tell if it is a problem with the browser or a problem with the website. obviously i am not a website developer so this sort of issue isn't clear where i need to poke at things more... are there any tools available which help sort that out (like one that says This page conforms to standards X and Y, but violates a for this part) etc.? most the time i use Iceweasel (most current versions available in testing, sid or experimental) or Midori. Midori seems to do better and I'm not sure why as i thought that it used the same basic infrastructure as Iceweasel. any web developers who struggle with this and if I'm missing something obvious (like use a different browser like Opera or ...)? thanks! songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/apapjb-o62@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: Joey Hess is out?
Martin Read writes: Administrators of systemd-based systems who wish to turn off the binary log can, of course, simply add the line Storage=none Happy to hear that Debian configuration is now sane. -- /\ ___Ubuntu: ancient /___/\_|_|\_|__|___Gian Uberto Lauri_ African word //--\| | \| | Integralista GNUslamicomeaning I can \/ coltivatore diretto di software not install già sistemista a tempo (altrui) perso...Debian Warning: gnome-config-daemon considered more dangerous than GOTO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/21609.64996.528596.864...@mail.eng.it
Strange problem with samba share, maybe dns related
Hello, today I realized a strange bug (maybe there is a reason for it but I dont know): All our employees have a directory/folder at our (wheezy-lts) server, which is for interchange. Everybody gets a folder with his name where anybody can put things in. It is connected to Windows Clients by the letter Z:\. I generated a huge sum of pdfs which I want to share at the server. As I looked for them from a windows-client, I could hardly see anything in this folder despite I know that there are many folders with pdfs in its subdirectories. They are all recursive chmodded 777 and owner is me as samba user (me:me). Now there are people able to see, browse and use this documents, but not me as a windows user. The strangest thing: If I take the IP instead of the NAME of the server - it works! How is it possible, that a folder called via name is empty and via ip it is not? Z:\pdf- empty folder \\SERVER\fileserver\Mitarbeiter\me\pdf\- empty folder \\192.168.178.123\\fileserver\Mitarbeiter\me\pdf\ - 2308 Elements ls -l gives drwxrwxrwx per subfolder and owner is me:me Is this a DNS-based problem or whats going on here? I cant explain it, please help! Greetings Cyril -- AfU Agentur für Unternehmensnachrichten GmbH Albacher Weg 11 35463 Fernwald Deutschland Telefon: 06404 66 18 56 Telefax: 06404 37 50 E-Mail: redakt...@afu.de Internet: www.afu.de Geschäftsführung: Norbert Paulsen Handelsregisternummer: HRB Gießen 3160 Umsatzsteuer-Identifikationsnummer: DE 194786071 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a02fd.5060...@afu.de
systemd for administrators, printable version.
Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires mouse movement. Even one only HTML page would be better. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117142921.gb19...@rail.eu.org
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On 11/17/2014 at 08:21 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 17/11/14 12:25, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: There were other poor design choices, it seems that Debian maintainers have fixed some of them (i.e. renaming network devices), other seems to be still there (binary logs...). A default Debian jessie configuration has persistent text logs in /var/log written by rsyslog, and *volatile* binary logs in /run/log/journal written by systemd-journald. Removing the binary logs completely disables functionality of the systemd suite which an administrator familiar with systemd would expect to be present by default. This is news to me, and mildly disturbing. I recall having previously seen it stated, repeatedly, that Debian by default does not store binary logs at all even when running under systemd - that they exist only in memory, and that the actual log data is stored only in text-log-file format via forwarding to rsyslog. (Even this is still mildly concerning to some people, on the grounds that it still places journald and its binary formats in a place between source of data being logged and text-format log file where previously there was nothing, but it's still probably a reasonable compromise for most purposes.) Administrators of systemd-based systems who wish to turn off the binary log can, of course, simply add the line Storage=none to the [Journal] section of /etc/systemd/journald.conf, at which point systemd-journald will simply forward all log entries directly to rsyslog without writing them to a binary file. This appears to be exactly what I recall seeing stated - repeatedly, including by trustworthy Debian developers - as how Debian already behaves in its default systemd configuration. If that is not the case, then there is even less reason for people who object to binary logs to be comfortable with the new situation, even mitigated by being able to turn this behavior on with the option you describe. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On 11/17/2014 03:54 PM, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/17/2014 at 08:21 AM, Martin Read wrote: A default Debian jessie configuration has persistent text logs in /var/log written by rsyslog, and *volatile* binary logs in /run/log/journal written by systemd-journald. Removing the binary logs completely disables functionality of the systemd suite which an administrator familiar with systemd would expect to be present by default. This is news to me, and mildly disturbing. I recall having previously seen it stated, repeatedly, that Debian by default does not store binary logs at all even when running under systemd - that they exist only in memory, and that the actual log data is stored only in text-log-file format via forwarding to rsyslog. That's exactly what the word volatile means: /run is a in-memory filesystem, thus all files there only exist in memory. For the default configuration in Debian this means that all log messages are stored persistently in /var/log by rsyslog, and some recent log messages are *also* kept in a volatile in-memory file by journald. Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a0e65.5070...@debian.org
Re: Joey Hess is out?
Am 2014-11-17 15:54, schrieb The Wanderer: On 11/17/2014 at 08:21 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 17/11/14 12:25, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: There were other poor design choices, it seems that Debian maintainers have fixed some of them (i.e. renaming network devices), other seems to be still there (binary logs...). A default Debian jessie configuration has persistent text logs in /var/log written by rsyslog, and *volatile* binary logs in /run/log/journal written by systemd-journald. Removing the binary logs completely disables functionality of the systemd suite which an administrator familiar with systemd would expect to be present by default. This is news to me, and mildly disturbing. I recall having previously seen it stated, repeatedly, that Debian by default does not store binary logs at all even when running under systemd - that they exist only in memory, and that the actual log data is stored only in text-log-file format via forwarding to rsyslog. Note: /run is a tmpfs, i.e. it's stored in memory. Administrators of systemd-based systems who wish to turn off the binary log can, of course, simply add the line Storage=none to the [Journal] section of /etc/systemd/journald.conf, at which point systemd-journald will simply forward all log entries directly to rsyslog without writing them to a binary file. This appears to be exactly what I recall seeing stated - repeatedly, including by trustworthy Debian developers - as how Debian already behaves in its default systemd configuration. If that is not the case, then there is even less reason for people who object to binary logs to be comfortable with the new situation, even mitigated by being able to turn this behavior on with the option you describe. Note that 'systemctl status' won't include the last log lines of a given service if journal has Storage=none set. That is an very, very useful feature to have, which is why I guess the maintainers of systemd have it activated by default. What does not happen is that any binary logfile is stored on your hard drive (well, maybe in swap space, but not in your filesystem), and on next boot they will be completely reset again. The only real difference between the default (use /run as storage) and Storage=none is that you save a bit of RAM. Btw. you can configure how much the journal will take, see journald.conf(5). Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/24ba807a36bc11e67e6aa15147707...@iwakd.de
Re: Joey Hess is out?
On 11/17/2014 at 10:06 AM, Christian Seiler wrote: Am 2014-11-17 15:54, schrieb The Wanderer: On 11/17/2014 at 08:21 AM, Martin Read wrote: A default Debian jessie configuration has persistent text logs in /var/log written by rsyslog, and *volatile* binary logs in /run/log/journal written by systemd-journald. Removing the binary logs completely disables functionality of the systemd suite which an administrator familiar with systemd would expect to be present by default. This is news to me, and mildly disturbing. I recall having previously seen it stated, repeatedly, that Debian by default does not store binary logs at all even when running under systemd - that they exist only in memory, and that the actual log data is stored only in text-log-file format via forwarding to rsyslog. Note: /run is a tmpfs, i.e. it's stored in memory. That probably explains the seeming conflict between the statements, but there's still a difference between data being kept in memory and written to a file which is stored in memory. Part of what I found reassuring about the statements that Debian's default systemd configuration stores the journal's binary logs only in memory was the idea that it would not be (needing to) write the log data separately to the binary format, or possibly even do some of the related processing; it could just use the binary format in-memory (i.e. in its own process space), and output only in the traditional text form. If it actually does write the binary format to file, even in a tmpfs or the like, then that eliminates a lot of what I found reassuring about those reassurances. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
Hi. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 03:48:34PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:41:23PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: As much as I dislike systemd, I'm not sure that it's a vendor conspiracy to control the Linux ecosystem. Yes, redhat pays Lennart Poettering's salary (among others). But... I'm hard pressed to see how turning a collection of free distros into functional equivalent's of redhat, or increasing the resources applied to free distros, is really to their benefit. If anything, it would seem to dilute the competitive advantage of paid RHEL. Personally, I think it's more a matter of one, prima donna developer, who has the advantage of a salary, who has a vision and design philosophy that he's promoting in a very aggressive and single minded way. And he's very overt about it. (Somebody posted an email from Poettering last week saying, roughly, 'first we're going to get kdbus into the kernel, then we're going to make udev depend on it, and then everyone will have to eat systemd to get udev.' As I recall, the message closed with 'gentoo, be warned.') I figure this is more a case of redhat management not wanting to tick off valued prima donna, and maybe seeing what he's doing as a contribution to the open source community (to date, redhat has been pretty good about contributing to the community in lots of different ways). Still, if I were in their shoes, I'd be trying to reign the guys in. Why would the management of a external company care about what happen in Debian ? Because Debian is upstream for several critical RHEL parts, such as shadow (passwd, useradd and friends). And, curiously enough, systemd's goal is to replace those parts (see Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems at http://0pointer.net/blog ). Apparently, management doesn't like to be left out of control :) And of course, another distribution = testing a product for free. People keep wanting the project to be free of corporate influence, but it seems that some wouldn't be against having a bit of corporate influence if the influence was in the way they want.. Given that RHEL's main selling points are enterprise capabilities, quality control, and (for the government market) security accreditation and lots of support, I'd much rather see diversity and weak code spread across competing distributions. Canonical was criticized for keeping their code for their ( mir, unity ), and Redhat would be criticized for not keeping the code only for them. No. RedHat is criticized for pushing their code to everyone and their dog. And it started way before systemd (dbus, hal and pulseaudio to name a few). At least Canonical keeps their 'innovations' to themselves last time. I guess there is no good way for a company to make free software that change something in the core of existing ecosystem. Take a look at IBM, Oracle and Novell, you may reconsider your statement. Reco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117152923.GA15905@x101h
Re: Joey Hess is out?
Am 2014-11-17 16:15, schrieb The Wanderer: Part of what I found reassuring about the statements that Debian's default systemd configuration stores the journal's binary logs only in memory was the idea that it would not be (needing to) write the log data separately to the binary format, or possibly even do some of the related processing; it could just use the binary format in-memory (i.e. in its own process space), and output only in the traditional text form. There is one reason to actually keep them in memory: so that consumers (like 'systemctl status') can access the most recent log messages and do some processing with that. Otherwise, there is no need to store this data and you can just set Storage=none anyway. Accessing the current journal works by reading in journal files in /run (and /var if it exists) and processing them (there is a shared library for doing so). If journald only keeps stuff in its own process space, for other processes to access them there would need to be some kind of IPC mechanism for other processes to ask journald to get some logs, that would involve quite a bit of complexity, a large additional codepath in both journald and all the clients and thus a large surface for potential bugs. With storing them in the same type of files in /run, the codepath is the same, there is more testing for that codepath and the interface is a lot easier: access control is just file permissions, scheduling is done by the kernel, etc. The alternative you propose is the thing that would be worrisome to me, i.e. having a completely different, probably less-tested, way of accessing this stuff, where journald itself (which forwards ALL messages to syslog when using systemd) takes on an additional burden. That seems to be a far worse idea to me, complexity-wise. And if you say you don't want the features that access the stored logs, then you can set Storage=none, because then you simply don't need it at all. Christian -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/7bfbd9899b4ea6da5254988dac3cb...@iwakd.de
udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table
Hello. I think most of my problem's description is in title, but here are some more informations. I have a hard disk on which I tried a... quite unusual... procedure to install another OS. My try in this procedure [1] did not went well at all, but it's not the subject of this mail. Now, fact is that the hard-disk partition table is no longer correct, and when I plug it (it is an USB HD) into a Debian system, it makes udev eating all my memory, and more. The only way for me to have a chance to work with that drive plugged is to disable swap, because when the system swaps, all CPU is used to access hard-drive, and also to do: _ echo 80 /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_ratio #honestly, I'm a newbie in kernel stuff, but I think I should use 95% here, that would be more effective, considering that I think I'll use such configuration on all my systems, since most of my tools does not need more than few hundred MiB. _ echo 2 /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory #so, softwares which tries to take too much ram will know it or crash. Udev is crashing, I guess. I think that udev crashes, instead of simply acknowledging that it can't handle the partitions of the device, because if I then try other operations involving it, they does not work. Also, I have noticed on more recent systems (testing and backported kernel) that I can't even access the device with fdisk after all udev processes died. On current stable kernel, I can (which gave me the hope to be able to use that disk anew, someday). The symptoms I were able to see, through various means, like reading what is printed on TTY1 when I plug it, or using fdisk on the computer which did not made the hardware disappear when udev crashed, is that a very huge list of partitions is detected, I suspect an infinite loop. So, does anyone know how to make udev stopping gracefully to detect the full list of partitions, and restrict itself to real hardware? Also, I should probably report that bug, but how could I find more informations to provide, since I strongly doubt that it can be reproduced, and so fixed, without the correct partition table? Fun facts: _ my BIOS... erm, no, not a BIOS, just a crappy UEFI, is not able to boot when that disk is plugged. I never felt good with that UEFI things, now I think I have some interesting reason. I'll try that on a old computer, just to see if real BIOSes are able to handle damaged logic, but *correct hardware*. _ windows XP is simply not able to see the disk, but it does not dies or eat all RAM. Well, that's a pretty damaged installation of XP anyway, so not really relevant. And this OS is obsolete anyway. 1: for the curious ones, here is what I tried: create a virtualbox machine add it a vmdk which were linked to /dev/sdb (yes, sdb, not sdb1, or sdb2: the whole extern disk) booting the VM on a netBSD's iso having a very bad feeling when seeing that the extended partition was recognized as unknown filesystem feeling lucky and continuing seeing that, finally, I was not lucky :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2221850cae78d8b6eab1bbcf02ae3...@neutralite.org
Re: Web site conformance and various browsers
Hi, On 11/17/2014 02:45 PM, songbird wrote: sometimes i have issues with a website and i cannot tell if it is a problem with the browser or a problem with the website. obviously i am not a website developer so this sort of issue isn't clear where i need to poke at things more... are there any tools available which help sort that out (like one that says This page conforms to standards X and Y, but violates a for this part) etc.? most the time i use Iceweasel (most current versions available in testing, sid or experimental) or Midori. Midori seems to do better and I'm not sure why as i thought that it used the same basic infrastructure as Iceweasel. any web developers who struggle with this and if I'm missing something obvious (like use a different browser like Opera or ...)? I think you're looking for this : http://validator.w3.org/ or this for more inquiries: http://www.softwareqatest.com/qatweb1.html Best regards, -- “One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings.” “Le vrai n'est pas plus sûr que le probable.” Diogene Laerce signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Web site conformance and various browsers
On Mon, 11/17/14, songbird songb...@anthive.com wrote: Subject: Web site conformance and various browsers To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Monday, November 17, 2014, 7:45 AM sometimes i have issues with a website and i cannot tell if it is a problem with the browser or a problem with the website. obviously i am not a website developer so this sort of issue isn't clear where i need to poke at things more... are there any tools available which help sort that out (like one that says This page conforms to standards X and Y, but violates a for this part) etc.? most the time i use Iceweasel (most current versions available in testing, sid or experimental) or Midori. Midori seems to do better and I'm not sure why as i thought that it used the same basic infrastructure as Iceweasel. any web developers who struggle with this and if I'm missing something obvious (like use a different browser like Opera or ...)? thanks! songbird If the page is compliant with http://validator.w3.org/ standards there shouldn't be a problem with proper display. Could also be an addon or about:config setting set by you causing problems. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/a538394b85173ad46036dbb3e2ace...@riseup.net
apt-get update GPG error: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?!
Hello all I am seeing a rather strange error. I have a wheezy VM which I am trying to update, but I get the above error on the main source and also on security source: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! W: GPG error: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! Attempting to re-install gnupg and also debian-archive-keyring make no difference. Trying a new mirror also makes no difference. Same error. Anyone seen this before, or perhaps knows more about GPG than me to help me in the right direction? Other VM's update no questions asked Cheers Iain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/ccd1df5b979f2c87ec6d1c7b3ba4e...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: Web site conformance and various browsers
Le 17.11.2014 14:45, songbird a écrit : sometimes i have issues with a website and i cannot tell if it is a problem with the browser or a problem with the website. obviously i am not a website developer so this sort of issue isn't clear where i need to poke at things more... are there any tools available which help sort that out (like one that says This page conforms to standards X and Y, but violates a for this part) etc.? most the time i use Iceweasel (most current versions available in testing, sid or experimental) or Midori. Midori seems to do better and I'm not sure why as i thought that it used the same basic infrastructure as Iceweasel. any web developers who struggle with this and if I'm missing something obvious (like use a different browser like Opera or ...)? thanks! songbird The problem with website compatibility can come from lot of problems: _ I'm not sure that HTML5 is fully supported by all upstream engines (see below) _ it will depends on a browser's configuration, especially about JavaScript (JS) because a huge quantity of websites are... hum... just bloated with that kind of crap. So, plug-ins like adware, or configuration which disables JS can avoid having the same behavior. You can have the same kind of problems with cookies (accepting only a site's cookies avoid things like hotmail to work, and I've seen other ones). _ sites will often voluntarily try to behave differently depending on the browser, in a good start intent, but hell is made of such good intents... _ sites will sometimes employ specific things of a browser. About the last point, if it is made correctly, it might not be detected by stuff like w3c's validator. Otherwise, just for your information: The problem is not the browser, but the rendering engine behind it. Firefox/iceweasel is based on gecko (and AFAIK it's the only gecko user), while midori, chrome, and a ton of other ones are based on webkit (to be really more accurate, chrome is based on blink, a fork of webkit. Hopefully this fork might help to not see a new kind of IE era, but I'm pessimistic on that, without real reasons). Even recent opera (starting to version = 13) versions are based on webkit, so we can currently see more or less 3 major competitors: _ IE _ webkit/blink (I have no idea about how much blink differs from webkit, but seriously, if there is only safari using webkit, webkit will just die) _ gecko PS: when I think about how crappy all of this is, and that I remember that many people said me that websites runs in the same way everywhere, I just laugh. I try to remember it everyday, since there is a rumor which says that laughing 5min per day is good for health, hehe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/704af6d0494f50cbf285eb235d565...@neutralite.org
Re: qemu-kvm problem - libvirtd won't start
On 16/11/14 09:31 PM, Joel Roth wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:52:30PM -0500, Gary Dale wrote: On 16/11/14 06:39 PM, Joel Roth wrote: Did you try starting the VMs directly using the qemu command? Don't have qemu installed. virsh reports: Maybe there is some connection (c.f. Subject:) qemu isn't listed as a dependency of qemu-kvm and isn't installed when qemu-kvm is installed. I understand that qemu 1.3 supersedes qemu-kvm but Wheezy only has 1.1.2, so qemu-kvm is still preferred. I've got it running now, but still have a problem. Virt-manager is not seeing my virtualmachine.xml files when it connects to the server. I can create new virtual machines importing the existing images but then windows thinks it's on different hardware and wants to revalidate. I tried copying the existing .xml file over the new one but that didn't fix the problem. Any ideas? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a2829.9090...@torfree.net
Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.
On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires mouse movement. Even one only HTML page would be better. DIY. Save the pages to file, 1.pdf, 2.pdf etc, from the browser. Then gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=SFA.pdf 1.pdf 2.pdf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/17112014163542.3805c1365...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: apt-get update GPG error: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?!
Hi, On 11/17/2014 05:26 PM, i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote: I am seeing a rather strange error. I have a wheezy VM which I am trying to update, but I get the above error on the main source and also on security source: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! W: GPG error: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! What does apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=1 update say? Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a2a1b.8050...@debian.org
Re: apt-get update GPG error: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?!
On 2014-11-17 17:02, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Hi, On 11/17/2014 05:26 PM, i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote: I am seeing a rather strange error. I have a wheezy VM which I am trying to update, but I get the above error on the main source and also on security source: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! W: GPG error: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! What does apt-get -o Debug::Acquire::gpgv=1 update say? Hey: Get:1 http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release.gpg [1,655 B] Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release 100% [Release gpgv 168 kB] [Waiting for headers]inside VerifyGetSigners gpgv path: /usr/bin/gpgv Keyring file: /etc/apt/trusted.gpg Keyring path: /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ Preparing to exec: /usr/bin/gpgv /usr/bin/gpgv --ignore-time-conflict --status-fd 3 --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-squeeze-stable.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-wheezy-stable.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-wheezy-automatic.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-stable.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-squeeze-automatic.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirror.ox.ac.uk_debian_dists_wheezy_Release.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/mirror.ox.ac.uk_debian_dists_wheezy_Release gpgv exited Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/main Sources/DiffIndex Get:2 http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release.gpg [836 B] Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/non-free Sources/DiffIndex Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release 99% [Waiting for headers]inside VerifyGetSigners Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/contrib Sources/DiffIndex 99% [Release gpgv 102 kB] [Waiting for headers]gpgv path: /usr/bin/gpgv Keyring file: /etc/apt/trusted.gpg Keyring path: /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ Preparing to exec: /usr/bin/gpgv /usr/bin/gpgv --ignore-time-conflict --status-fd 3 --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-squeeze-stable.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-wheezy-stable.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-wheezy-automatic.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-jessie-stable.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/debian-archive-squeeze-automatic.gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/security.debian.org_dists_wheezy_updates_Release.gpg /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_wheezy_updates_Release gpgv exited Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/non-free i386 Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources/DiffIndex Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/contrib i386 Packages/DiffIndex Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Sources/DiffIndex Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/contrib Translation-en Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Sources/DiffIndex Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/main Translation-en Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/non-free Translation-en Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/main Sources Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib i386 Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/non-free Sources Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free i386 Packages/DiffIndex Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/contrib Sources Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/main i386 Packages Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/non-free i386 Packages Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en Hit http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/contrib i386 Packages Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Sources Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/contrib Translation-en_GB Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Sources Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/main Translation-en_GB Ign http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy/non-free Translation-en_GB Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Sources Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main i386 Packages Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib i386 Packages Hit http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free i386 Packages Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/contrib Translation-en_GB Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/main Translation-en_GB Ign http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates/non-free Translation-en_GB Fetched 2,491 B in 4s (539 B/s) Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key
Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Now, fact is that the hard-disk partition table is no longer correct, and when I plug it (it is an USB HD) into a Debian system, it makes udev eating all my memory, and more. Please image the partition table so that someone can reproduce the issue and fix it... looks like an useful test case :-) I think that udev crashes, instead of simply acknowledging that it It is likely triggering a bug somewhere in the load of stuff we run when a disk is hotplugged to create the links in /dev/by-uuid, etc. I.e. maybe the bug is not in udev itself. So, does anyone know how to make udev stopping gracefully to detect the full list of partitions, and restrict itself to real hardware? The kernel itself parses the partition table. Did it output any error messages? Also, I should probably report that bug, but how could I find more informations to provide, since I strongly doubt that it can be reproduced, and so fixed, without the correct partition table? Indeed. Either preserve enough of that partition table to be able to reproduce the bug, or give up on it ever being found at the moment you decide to clean up the disk to be able to use it :-( -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117165515.gb24...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: dm-crypt/LUKS performance
On Sun, 2014-11-16 at 18:56 -0800, David Christensen wrote: That SSD appears to have hardware encryption. So, why dm-crypt? So you can copy/backup/move disks and partitions without worrying about whether you can get access to the result in the future? Because you don't want to trust or rely on whatever black box lives inside the disk? I'm not the OP, but that's the reason I use Linux software encryption rather than that built into the SSD. -- Tixy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1416244765.1352.1.ca...@yxit.co.uk
Re: apt-get update GPG error: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?!
On 2014-11-17 17:05, i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote: On 2014-11-17 17:02, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: Hi, On 11/17/2014 05:26 PM, i...@thargoid.co.uk wrote: I am seeing a rather strange error. I have a wheezy VM which I am trying to update, but I get the above error on the main source and also on security source: W: GPG error: http://security.debian.org wheezy/updates Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! W: GPG error: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk wheezy Release: Internal error: Good signature, but could not determine key fingerprint?! snip Digging further into the logs, it seems that gnupg was segfaulting: Thanks for your help. Reboot (of the VM) has solved this issue. Cheers Iain -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25ddcc4583ca17fcebf9796ecccb5...@thargoid.co.uk
Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table
Le 17.11.2014 17:55, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: Now, fact is that the hard-disk partition table is no longer correct, and when I plug it (it is an USB HD) into a Debian system, it makes udev eating all my memory, and more. Please image the partition table so that someone can reproduce the issue and fix it... looks like an useful test case :-) I think that udev crashes, instead of simply acknowledging that it It is likely triggering a bug somewhere in the load of stuff we run when a disk is hotplugged to create the links in /dev/by-uuid, etc. I.e. maybe the bug is not in udev itself. So, does anyone know how to make udev stopping gracefully to detect the full list of partitions, and restrict itself to real hardware? The kernel itself parses the partition table. Did it output any error messages? Also, I should probably report that bug, but how could I find more informations to provide, since I strongly doubt that it can be reproduced, and so fixed, without the correct partition table? Indeed. Either preserve enough of that partition table to be able to reproduce the bug, or give up on it ever being found at the moment you decide to clean up the disk to be able to use it :-( I've already built an image of the disk, but it's a 500GB disk. I doubt you'll want to download it hehe. So, what part of that disk should I extract, which could be usable and sharable? Partition table, of course, which is probably at disk's beginning, but how long might it be? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/d997408f450877b3ee228348b0ed9...@neutralite.org
Re: Web site conformance and various browsers
berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: ... PS: when I think about how crappy all of this is, and that I remember that many people said me that websites runs in the same way everywhere, I just laugh. I try to remember it everyday, since there is a rumor which says that laughing 5min per day is good for health, hehe :) thanks! and thanks to everyone else too. uhg! i've avoided this question for a while so far, for good reasons and i can see they still apply. i'll send a note to the problem website support desk and see if any thing will happen. since i do have free time here or there i'll also volunteer to help them test newer versions. songbird -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/6vopjb-fmd@id-306963.user.uni-berlin.de
Re: Installing an Alternative Init?
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 06:29:24PM +0300, Reco wrote: Hi. On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 03:48:34PM +0100, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 09:41:23PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: As much as I dislike systemd, I'm not sure that it's a vendor conspiracy to control the Linux ecosystem. Yes, redhat pays Lennart Poettering's salary (among others). But... I'm hard pressed to see how turning a collection of free distros into functional equivalent's of redhat, or increasing the resources applied to free distros, is really to their benefit. If anything, it would seem to dilute the competitive advantage of paid RHEL. Personally, I think it's more a matter of one, prima donna developer, who has the advantage of a salary, who has a vision and design philosophy that he's promoting in a very aggressive and single minded way. And he's very overt about it. (Somebody posted an email from Poettering last week saying, roughly, 'first we're going to get kdbus into the kernel, then we're going to make udev depend on it, and then everyone will have to eat systemd to get udev.' As I recall, the message closed with 'gentoo, be warned.') I figure this is more a case of redhat management not wanting to tick off valued prima donna, and maybe seeing what he's doing as a contribution to the open source community (to date, redhat has been pretty good about contributing to the community in lots of different ways). Still, if I were in their shoes, I'd be trying to reign the guys in. Why would the management of a external company care about what happen in Debian ? Because Debian is upstream for several critical RHEL parts, such as shadow (passwd, useradd and friends). 1 ( ie shadow-utils ) is not several. And by having a critical look at your affirmation, RH is paying a lot of upstreams contributors for several critical Debian part : - glibc - gcc - util-linux-ng - kernel - udevd to name a few. I could name a few non critical stuff, from gnome, openjdk. So I am not sure that your point is valid. Given the size of Redhat, I also suspect that having someone working on shadow-utils wouldn't be a problem. Judging by SEC fillings, public information, there is around 6900 people. 1 more coder is not a stretch at all. And, curiously enough, systemd's goal is to replace those parts (see Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems at http://0pointer.net/blog ). Apparently, management doesn't like to be left out of control :) This is free software, there is no way to be left out of control. That's the whole point of the movement, provided you can code of course. A lot of people seems to totally forget that point. And of course, another distribution = testing a product for free. I wonder how, since Debian is lagging so much behind that even RHEL 7 is released with systemd. I wonder even why they still have jobs posting for QA people if all is needed is to have users of others distributions. People keep wanting the project to be free of corporate influence, but it seems that some wouldn't be against having a bit of corporate influence if the influence was in the way they want.. Given that RHEL's main selling points are enterprise capabilities, quality control, and (for the government market) security accreditation and lots of support, I'd much rather see diversity and weak code spread across competing distributions. Canonical was criticized for keeping their code for their ( mir, unity ), and Redhat would be criticized for not keeping the code only for them. No. RedHat is criticized for pushing their code to everyone and their dog. People keep saying that, but none show no conclusive proof. Just stating it doesn't make it true. And it doesn't resist simple inquiry such as: if they wanted to push it everywhere, why would it be non portable to BSD ? We go back to criticize everything that happen, that's getting old. And kinda poisonous, looking at the people leaving TC or Debian or maintainership. And it started way before systemd (dbus, hal and pulseaudio to name a few). At least Canonical keeps their 'innovations' to themselves last time. So you agree with me. If you share, you are criticized, if you don't, you are criticized. I guess there is no good way for a company to make free software that change something in the core of existing ecosystem. Take a look at IBM, Oracle and Novell, you may reconsider your statement. I fail to see what did they tried to change in the core ecosystem exactly. Oracle is attacked by everyone for the stewardship leading to forks on mysql and openoffice, among others. They even alienated their own community on solaris. Novell was criticized for providing Mono, and providing software written in mono for gnome ( thus changing part of the core of Gnome ), and was criticized for trying to get Microsoft working on interoperability. So
no C-h i m emacs ??
[NOTE: Originally miss-posted on ... emacs.help] , | From: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com | Subject: no C-h i m emacs ?? | Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help | To: help-gnu-em...@gnu.org | Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 13:29:46 -0500 (2 minutes, 9 seconds ago) | Message-ID: 87egt14r51@reader.local.lan ` With emacs24-lucid installed, I can find no info files for emacs-24 /usr/share/info IXNEY for emacs /usr/local/share/ IXNEY for info So with all this installed: aps emacs|grep ^i i emacs-goodies-el- Miscellaneous add-ons for Emacs i A emacs24-bin-common - GNU Emacs editor's shared, architecture de i A emacs24-common - GNU Emacs editor's shared, architecture in i emacs24-el - GNU Emacs LISP (.el) files i emacs24-lucid - GNU Emacs editor (with Lucid GUI support) i A emacsen-common - Common facilities for all emacsen I still have no emacs-info files. Checking them all with dpkg -L shows no main info/emacs installed. /usr/share/info/dir has no entry for emacs other than: * Emacs FAQ: (emacs-24/efaq). Frequently Asked Questions about Emacs. * Emacs-Goodies-el: (emacs-goodies-el). * Emacs FAQ: (emacs-24/efaq). Frequently Asked Questions about Emacs. * Emacs-w3m: (emacs-w3m). An Emacs interface to w3m * Emacs-w3m-ja: (emacs-w3m-ja). An Emacs interface to w3m (Japanese) So apparently I'm missing something here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/871tp14qsw@reader.local.lan
Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what part of that disk should I extract, which could be usable and sharable? Partition table, of course, which is probably at disk's beginning, but how long might it be? That depends. What kind of partition table? -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117183207.ge24...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Re: Joey Hess is out?
Hallo, * Nate Bargmann [Mon, Nov 17 2014, 07:46:48AM]: Since systemd hatters usually fail on the second task, the rhetorical arsenal is chosen accordingly (ad-hominem, trolling, misquoting, ...). Here is the crux of the problem in these discussions and that is the use of haters as an ad hominem as part of the shaming language directed at those with concerns. It matters not who started it, but when one of the There is no offensive of discriminatory meaning implied; you have read my definition and that's how I apply it. Not more, not less. primary developers of systemd also engages in using this language to describe those who do have legitimate concerns, the discussion descends quickly into a non-productive direction especially when others follow his lead as being somehow acceptable. If the final outcome is simply pidgeonholing into those with us vs. those against us then I agree. But for somebody not participating in this stupid holly wars about systemd this argument sounds somehow far-fetched. Regards, Eduard. -- taner alpha welche distro hast du eigentlich??? -- gefragt im Channel #debian.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117185804.ga9...@rotes76.wohnheim.uni-kl.de
Re: engineering management practices and systemd (Re: Installing an Alternative Init?)
On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 08:29:28PM -0500, Marty wrote: On 11/16/2014 03:32 PM, Ludovic Meyer wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2014 at 01:05:08PM -0500, Marty wrote: snip My point is that in a modular design nothing should be so entrenched as to be irreplaceable. Absence of an alternate should not normally indicate impossibility of an alternate, but some discussions I've read about logind, udev and dbus are enough to raise serious concerns. The problem is that, without any action, the difference between nothing can be replaced and it can be replaced is purely theorical. The problem is very real, but there seems to be no agreement about solutions, which by itself is evidence of a problem. There is not even anyone keeping a list of the solution or even the problem. Even the basis are not done. If you truly want to iterate on a solution, you should start doing it and document it. Now you can discuss for years in theory, In fact, people have been discussing this problem for years. And how did it change anything ? It didn't. So what make you think that yet another year is gonna result in something ? I do not want to be too critical, but that's the exact problem that the troll in the Hobbit face, by discussing endless on how to cook the dwarfs, they get petrified. And maybe the time to test and get something wrong, as itcan hardly be slower than discussing. The whole agile methodology. if this doesn't result in any practical outcome, you have just stresstested the mailling lists software. Until there's a rough consensus and a clear way forward, I don't think many people will commit to specific solutions. There are also unknowns like kdbus, to further complicate the matter. Talk is cheap, as Linus said. You seems to be in favor of design by comitee, but this doesn't seems to work for now. People who just say, write your own, it's all FOSS are missing the point, I think. Debian is not one guy working in his mom's basement. It's one of the world's largest software projects. When Debian is stumped, because its best developers and upstreams are caught in the entanglement hairball, and see no clear way out, the it's clear case of *Houston we have a problem.* That's a interesting point, because with all those brillant minds, a vast majority do not even seems to care about this entanglement hairball. Maybe it is time to admit you do not know the whole details and accept that if developpers do not care, then they are maybe right in doing so ? Especially since you have been unable to give any technical reasons to why you do not want it, and how you would proceed. For you, I would start by explaining the Unix Philosophy and how it is a critical aspect of Debian's design: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy That's not a technical reason. Then I would proceed to explain how various aspects of systemd conflict with this, causing said hairball. Finally, I would explain (to the best of my ability) how the entanglement issue precludes a quick resolution, and the delay does not indicate lack of interest. And how would that be a technical reason ? If you disagree with the philosophy, that's not a technical problem. That's just a opinion. Show a real technical issue, not here is the design decided 20 years ago and that was ignored by several others components. heck, even in 1989, people wrote the unix hater handbook to explain how the philosophy is wrong. For example, the example of cat not being following this design anymore. No one throw a fuse over it, despites being here, documented and visible by all since more than 20 years. And I know Debian has popularized the idea of release when it is ready, but that's also the exact definition of vaporware. And people do not even have a estimation of the work. Not knowing what solution to choose do not preclude from saying the time one of them would take. In fact, it would even help to choose. In fact, a quick google check would even give you the required knowledge of why it is better to link : http://spootnik.org/entries/2014/11/09_pid-tracking-in-modern-init-systems.html You can compare the code with link to systemd library vs cut and paste in every source code. As a exercise, you can surely add use dlopen() and see which one is simpler and easier to maintain in the long term. Then it will be your turn to explain why it is better to cut and paste or link statically the library, or why it is better to have to patch every upstream to use dlopen(). Not sure how we went from entanglement issues to PID tracking, but granting your point, it still doesn't explain how we arrive at kdb, console and qcodes in PID 1. :) Because the blog post say how and why stuff requires to be linked with systemd. As you didn't explain what you mean by hairballs ( ie, what requires exactly you are speaking about ) it is hard to explain it. I am sure that if you were precise, it can be explained or it
Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.
Le 17/11/2014 17:39, Brian a écrit : On Mon 17 Nov 2014 at 15:29:21 +0100, Erwan David wrote: Is there a printable/epub/pdf version of systemd for administrators ? 20+ HTML pages is very difficult to read, just becaus it requires mouse movement. Even one only HTML page would be better. DIY. Save the pages to file, 1.pdf, 2.pdf etc, from the browser. Then gs -dBATCH -dNOPAUSE -q -sDEVICE=pdfwrite -sOutputFile=SFA.pdf 1.pdf 2.pdf Which would (in addition to being tedious) do an ugly job because of web pages decorations and the fact that a webpage does not map well on a pdf page. And no need to be so contemptuous, I know such a solution exists, with a very poor result. It is strage how any question about systemd documentation inevitably leads to such despise. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/546a4478.3050...@rail.eu.org
Re: no C-h i m emacs ??
On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, Harry Putnam wrote: With emacs24-lucid installed, I can find no info files for emacs-24 They're in the emacs24-common-non-dfsg package, which is in non-free. -- Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com Maybe I did steal your heart and I am such a perfect criminal that you never noticed -- a softer world #481 http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=481 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20141117191732.gm4...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.
On 2014-11-17, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Which would (in addition to being tedious) do an ugly job because of web pages decorations and the fact that a webpage does not map well on a pdf page. In iceweasal printing to file turns out a nice-looking pdf in my opinion. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnm6kiih.2kj.cu...@einstein.electron.org
