Certificat gratuir SSL

2014-11-24 Thread Joan Cervan i Andreu
Hola, Tinc un servidor i fins ara he usat certificats autosignats pel tema del correu-e dels diferents dominis hostatjats. Ara volia agafar un certificat gratuït de startssl, però el procés de validació humana, no s'acaba mai... I, ja posats, us volia preguntar com gestioneu valtros

Re: Certificat gratuir SSL

2014-11-24 Thread tictacbum
Hola Joan, jo ho faig a startssl, aquí ho tens molt ben explicat: https://gist.github.com/mgedmin/7124635 salut! El dia 24 novembre de 2014, 15:32, XaviP pezba...@riseup.net ha escrit: Respecte a aquest tema, l'altre dia vaig llegir aquest artícle; sembla que a l'estiu de 2015 pot canviar tot

Re: Certificat gratuir SSL

2014-11-24 Thread Alex Muntada
Joan Cervan i Andreu: Ara volia agafar un certificat gratuït de startssl, però el procés de validació humana, no s'acaba mai... Un dels inconvenients dels certificats gratuïts és aquest, però n'hi ha d'altres. Per exemple: quan es va detectar la vulnerabilitat d'openssl que exposava les claus

Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive

2014-11-24 Thread mad_er...@aol.fr
On 11/24/2014 01:11 AM, Haricophile wrote: Le dimanche 23 novembre 2014 à 13:54 +0100, mad_er...@aol.fr a écrit : Cependant G est le meilleur moteur de recherche. C'est bien ce que je lui reproche. Le beurre et l'argent du beurre... Il est le meilleur ? Mais à quel prix ? Voilà la bonne

Re: Gestion électronique de documents

2014-11-24 Thread Laurent Lesage
Salut la liste, je cherche aussi un outil de ce genre (scan and forget). Paperworks a l'air de correspondre à mon besoin à plus de 90%. Je vais essayer et ferai un retour. En même temps, j'ai trouvé ceci en googlant et en passant par nos amis de Framasoft :

Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive

2014-11-24 Thread Haricophile
Le lundi 24 novembre 2014 à 11:24 +0100, mad_er...@aol.fr a écrit : C'est pourquoi il faut utiliser Startpage et non G: les mêmes avantages que G mais sans la surveillance de nos données. J'utilise depuis longtemps ixquick (qui ne s'appuie pas que sur Google) mais c'est un palliatif car

Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive

2014-11-24 Thread Philippe Gras
Le 24 nov. 14 à 15:28, Haricophile a écrit : Le lundi 24 novembre 2014 à 11:24 +0100, mad_er...@aol.fr a écrit : C'est pourquoi il faut utiliser Startpage et non G: les mêmes avantages que G mais sans la surveillance de nos données. J'utilise depuis longtemps ixquick (qui ne s'appuie pas

executable suspect dans /usr/bin

2014-11-24 Thread bruno
Bonjour la liste sur une jessie à jour je trouve dans /usr/bin un executable avec comme nom [ (crochet gauche) -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 39464 oct. 30 03:43 [ dois-je m'inquieter ? Bruno attachment: sunburst.vcf

Re: executable suspect dans /usr/bin

2014-11-24 Thread Guy Roussin
Le 24/11/2014 17:18, bruno a écrit : sur une jessie à jour je trouve dans /usr/bin un executable avec comme nom [ (crochet gauche) -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 39464 oct. 30 03:43 [ dois-je m'inquieter ? Il semblerait que non : $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/[ coreutils: /usr/bin/[ -- Lisez la FAQ de la

Re: executable suspect dans /usr/bin

2014-11-24 Thread andre_debian
On Monday 24 November 2014 17:53:44 Guy Roussin wrote: Le 24/11/2014 17:18, bruno a écrit : sur une jessie à jour je trouve dans /usr/bin un executable = [ (crochet gauche) dois-je m'inquieter ? Également présent sous Wheezy. Il semblerait que non : $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/[ coreutils:

Re: executable suspect dans /usr/bin

2014-11-24 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le lundi 24 novembre 2014, 18:11:59 andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Monday 24 November 2014 17:53:44 Guy Roussin wrote: Le 24/11/2014 17:18, bruno a écrit : sur une jessie à jour je trouve dans /usr/bin un executable = [ (crochet gauche) dois-je m'inquieter ? Également

Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive

2014-11-24 Thread Franck Delage
Salut, https://www.insynchq.com/ C'est fait pour. Le 24 novembre 2014 16:33, Philippe Gras ph.g...@worldonline.fr a écrit : Le 24 nov. 14 à 15:28, Haricophile a écrit : Le lundi 24 novembre 2014 à 11:24 +0100, mad_er...@aol.fr a écrit : C'est pourquoi il faut utiliser Startpage et non G:

Re: executable suspect dans /usr/bin

2014-11-24 Thread Dominique Asselineau
Sylvain L. Sauvage wrote on Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:56:01PM +0100 Le lundi 24 novembre 2014, 18:11:59 andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit : On Monday 24 November 2014 17:53:44 Guy Roussin wrote: Le 24/11/2014 17:18, bruno a écrit : sur une jessie à jour je trouve dans /usr/bin un

Re: executable suspect dans /usr/bin

2014-11-24 Thread Sylvain L. Sauvage
Le lundi 24 novembre 2014, 19:08:18 Dominique Asselineau a écrit : […] Et on peut même écrire sur la ligne de commande moi@machine:~$ [ -e nom_dun_fichier ] Oui mais quand on rencontre ça dans un script (ou une recommandation quelconque), on a plus de chance de se poser des questions que

Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive

2014-11-24 Thread mad_er...@aol.fr
On 11/24/2014 03:28 PM, Haricophile wrote: Plus que de meta-moteur, on a besoins de moteurs qui ne soient pas en position dominante ou de moteurs qui fonctionnent autrement, comme la tentative de seeks (qui n'a plus l'air d'être très dynamique) https://beniz.github.io/seeks/ Combat perdu

Re: HS_Re: Debian et Google Drive

2014-11-24 Thread Haricophile
Le lundi 24 novembre 2014 à 16:33 +0100, Philippe Gras a écrit : http://fr.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idFRKCN0J81A020141124 Ça corrobore ce que je dis : « Le Parlement européen n'ayant aucun pouvoir lui permettant de démanteler une entreprise, ce vote servira surtout à manifester la

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread ZorroPlateado
El 23/11/2014, a las 16:40, Felix Perez felix.listadeb...@gmail.com escribió: El día 23 de noviembre de 2014, 11:56, Ismael L. Donis Garcia sli...@citricos.co.cu escribió: - Original Message - From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent:

duda repositorio

2014-11-24 Thread Juan Carlos Betancourt
Hola tengo una duda he tratadao de configrar para descargar un repo completo y no he podido me recomiendan alguna herramienta probe e con el fichero mirror y probe con la herrmaienta wget con la cual he bajado algunos ficheros pero nada. Pudiera ser que estuviera

Re: duda repositorio

2014-11-24 Thread Paradix ;)
El 24/11/14 09:26, Juan Carlos Betancourt escribió: Hola tengo una duda he tratadao de configrar para descargar un repo completo y no he podido me recomiendan alguna herramienta probe e con el fichero mirror y probe con la herrmaienta wget con la cual he bajado algunos

Re: duda repositorio

2014-11-24 Thread Camaleón
El Mon, 24 Nov 2014 09:26:42 -0500, Juan Carlos Betancourt escribió: (hay que desactivar el formato html cuando se envíen los mensajes) Hola tengo una duda he tratadao de configrar para descargar un repo completo y no he podido me recomiendan alguna herramienta probe e con el

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread Camaleón
El Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:56:28 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Aunque yo soy un usuario normal tampoco me gusta el camino que ha tomado debian, por tal motivo lo más seguro es que instale otro sistema sin systemd. Ahora quería preguntarle a ustedes que tienen mucha más experiencia que

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
- Original Message - From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda El Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:56:28 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Aunque yo soy un usuario normal

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread Edward Villarroel (EDD)
yo ya estoy probando FreeBSD pero ya de entrada tengo problemas con ACPI :S y la documentación no es tan buena como la de debian me recomiendan alguna comunidad o un manual decente que toque todo

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread Eduardo Rios
El 24/11/14 a las 17:26, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: He estado buscando información sobre el tema por lo que probaré por el siguiente orden: - DesktopBSD - Salix - Slackware He estado buscando una distribución basada en Slackware, pero que traiga instaladores visuales ya que no quiero

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread Roberto Quiñones
El 24-11-2014 a las 13:26, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: - Original Message - From: Camaleón noela...@gmail.com To: debian-user-spanish@lists.debian.org Sent: Monday, November 24, 2014 10:01 AM Subject: Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda El Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:56:28 -0500, Ismael L.

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread Roberto Quiñones
El 24-11-2014 a las 14:50, Edward Villarroel (EDD) escribió: yo ya estoy probando FreeBSD pero ya de entrada tengo problemas con ACPI :S y la documentación no es tan buena como la de debian me recomiendan alguna comunidad o un manual decente que toque todo En el sitio oficial encuentras

Re: Pues sí, systemd se queda

2014-11-24 Thread Felix Perez
El día 24 de noviembre de 2014, 14:50, Edward Villarroel (EDD) edward.villarr...@gmail.com escribió: yo ya estoy probando FreeBSD pero ya de entrada tengo problemas con ACPI :S y la documentación no es tan buena como la de debian me recomiendan alguna comunidad o un manual decente que

Ejecutar aplicación 64 bits sobre virtualbox

2014-11-24 Thread Ismael L. Donis Garcia
Tengo debian a 32 bit y he tratado de correo una pcvirtual con virtualbox a 64 bit y no logro ejecutarla. Es esto posible? Me temo que no, pero quería confirmar antes de abandonar en el intento. Gracias | ISMAEL | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: Ejecutar aplicación 64 bits sobre virtualbox

2014-11-24 Thread Emmanuel Brenes
El 24/11/2014 a las 14:49, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Tengo debian a 32 bit y he tratado de correo una pcvirtual con virtualbox a 64 bit y no logro ejecutarla. Es esto posible? Me temo que no, pero quería confirmar antes de abandonar en el intento. Gracias | ISMAEL |

Re: Ejecutar aplicación 64 bits sobre virtualbox

2014-11-24 Thread Sebastian Oldani
Si tu sistema base es de 32 bits no se puede virtualizar una pc de 64 bits. Incluso si tuvieras un sistema base de 64 bits, para poder virtualizar 64 bits se requiere un hardware que permita la virtualizacion. Saludos! El 24/11/14 a las 17:49, Ismael L. Donis Garcia escribió: Tengo debian a

Re: Re: Μεταφράσεις Debian

2014-11-24 Thread konfere...@gmail.com
Καταρχας μου φαινεται λογικοτατο και αναμενομενο σε μια ηλεκτρονικη λιστα αυτου του τυπου να υπαρχουν προβληματα κατηγοριοποιησης, ποσο μαλλον σε μια λιστα σαν αυτη του debian στην ελλαδα, οπου οχι μονο δεν υπαρχει κινηση, αλλα δεν υπαρχει και καποια αλλη πηγη ενημερωσης (σε μορφη κοινοτητας,

Re: Μεταφράσεις Debian

2014-11-24 Thread Ioannis Proios
On 11/24/2014 02:56 PM, konfere...@gmail.com wrote: Γενικα ενα καλο αρθρο με πληροφοριες σχετικα με το πως να ξεκινησει κανεις τις μεταφρασεις για μια γλωσσα στο debian ηταν το παρακατω: http://raphaelhertzog.com/2012/01/31/contributing-to-the-translation-of-debian/ Πολύ καλό το link

Μεταφράσεις Debian

2014-11-24 Thread Κωνσταντίνος Φερέτος
2014-11-24 15:33 GMT+02:00 Ioannis Proios john.pro...@gmail.com: Στο link πολύ καλά αναφέρει τις κατηγορίες που είναι υπεύθυνο το debian για μεταφράσεις και είναι λογικό να είναι μόνο αυτές. Άρα δεν είνα αναγκαίο να είναι μεταφρασμένο το Gnome που υπάρχει μέσα στο debian. Φανταζομαι οτι

Re: Μεταφράσεις Debian

2014-11-24 Thread Simos Xenitellis
2014-11-24 19:09 GMT+02:00 Ioannis Proios john.pro...@gmail.com: On 11/24/2014 06:33 PM, Κωνσταντίνος Φερέτος wrote: 2014-11-24 15:33 GMT+02:00 Ioannis Proios john.pro...@gmail.com mailto:john.pro...@gmail.com: Στο link πολύ καλά αναφέρει τις κατηγορίες που είναι υπεύθυνο το debian για

Μη-ρυθμισμένο ελληνικό locale κατά την εγκατάσταση από Ελλάδα/Κύπρο, σε cloud

2014-11-24 Thread Simos Xenitellis
Όταν εγκαθιστά κανείς το Debian 7 (ή το Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS) με επιλογή «Αγγλικά» από Ελλάδα ή Κύπρο, τότε ο εγκαταστάτης ελέγχει μέσω GEOIP από ποια χώρα είμαστε, και καθορίζει το ελληνικό locale (el_GR ή el_CY) για τις μεταβλητές: LC_NUMERIC=el_GR.UTF-8 LC_TIME=el_GR.UTF-8

Seminário de Tecnologia em Software Livre TcheLinux

2014-11-24 Thread Dausacker
Buenas, meus amigos livrenses! O grupo de usuários de Software Livre TcheLinux, em parceria com a Faculdade SENAC Porto Alegre, tem o prazer de convidar a comunidade, independente do nível de conhecimento e experiência com tecnologia, software livre e áreas afins, para participar do Seminário de

Monitoramento com execução de comandos

2014-11-24 Thread Rodrigo Cunha
Olá srs, gostaria de saber se existe a possibilidade do nagios/zabbix executar comandos remotos em meu servidor, caso um serviço pare por mais de 15 minutos durante a madrugada. No meu caso, quero utilizar o nagios/zabbix para a retirada automatica em horários da madrugada hosts da minha farm.

bluetooth

2014-11-24 Thread Manoel Pedro de Araújo
Olá, faço todo procedimento de pareamente entre pc (debian wheezy) e meu celular (androide), acontece que não consigo transferir arquivos do pc para o cellular. Porém não consigo transferir arquivos do celular para o pc. Alguém pode me ajudar a resolver esse problema -- Manoel

i915 disable framebuffer, not X

2014-11-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Hello, I have laptop with intel graphics chipset, and I would like to prevent it from using framebuffer, while allow X intel driver. I'm using wheezy+backports, kernel 3.16.5 (linux-image-3.16-0.bpo.3-686-pae) When I disabled mode switching by kernel option i915.modeset=0 or nomodeset,

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 06:20:42PM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: This isn't only about patches to Debian packages. This is also about custom code many people have installed and set up to work with sysv init. These will fail with systemd, These *might* fail with systemd. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 09:20:52PM -0500, Jerry Stuckle wrote: What about all of those people with custom software running which relies on sysv init for starting? There are a lot of those systems out there - and every one of them will need work to conform to systemd. Some may well work

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 13:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Apropos of what? That surprise from

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:58:46PM -0800, Matt Ventura wrote: I think the bug here IMO is that a system simply shouldn't *do* things in general without me telling it to. If I close the lid of my laptop, unless I have told it to suspend when I do so, then it shouldn't suspend. I should be

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 02:29:28PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: I don't mind having yet another reason for telling the developers they should have made the systemd based debian a parallel internal fork with an independent release schedule. But since they chose not to, this kind of bug is just

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Stephan Seitz
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 08:16:29AM +0100, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: systemd supports sysvinit init scripts (that have the LSB headers which are already mandatory in wheezy) just fine. Not doing so would be a bug, of course. I have initscripts without LSB headers working just fine. There are

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Joel Rees
2014/11/24 17:18 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 02:29:28PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: I don't mind having yet another reason for telling the developers they should have made the systemd based debian a parallel internal fork with an independent release schedule.

Re: ntpd confusion

2014-11-24 Thread mad
Am 24.11.2014 um 06:13 schrieb Chen Wei: On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 09:57:50PM +0100, mad wrote: # ntpq -p remote refidst t when poll reach delay offset jitter fritz.box X.Y.Z.A 3 u- 641

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 11:36, Marc Shapiro wrote: ERROR: Pairing with device ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9 failed with unhandled error code -3 That's a plist error. What is the output of idevicepair -d pair (you may need to paste the output to paste.debian.net and provide a link to it in your

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
Thanks for the replies. On 24/11/14 05:12, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Briefly as it's been 40 degrees Celsius here and I've been outside working all day (almost beer o'clock) On 23/11/14 18:27, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/22/2014 04:09 PM, Scott Ferguson

Re: Jessie B2 Installer Not booting in Macbook Air

2014-11-24 Thread Darac Marjal
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 09:17:09PM -0700, john.tiger wrote: Have followed both guided partitioning as well as trying manual partitions with efi boot as first partition. Install works fine but after completion does not boot (get ? folder image) - tried to boot into rescue mode but target

EXT4-fr error, ext4_find_entry: reading directory...

2014-11-24 Thread linuxmasterjedi
Hi, Since a couple of days, I have a bunch of EXT4-fr error device ... ext4_find_entry: reading directory errors. For me, that's only a disk issue, I booted on a sysresccd and did a e2fsck. Everything was OK. Then, I rebooted and I still had those errors. I bought another hard drive and

Re: EXT4-fr error, ext4_find_entry: reading directory...

2014-11-24 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
Hi On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 01:17:29PM +0100, linuxmasterj...@free.fr wrote: Hi, Since a couple of days, I have a bunch of EXT4-fr error device ... ext4_find_entry: reading directory errors. Sounds like stuff in the kernel log? For me, that's only a disk issue, I booted on a

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-24 Thread Marty
On 11/24/2014 02:14 AM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: Le dimanche, 23 novembre 2014, 18.09:58 Marty a écrit : Did I miss something? Yes. Option 1: init policy stands *won by default* [1] Option 2: change init policy *LOST* Option 3: ask nicely to follow init policy *lost* Option 4: policy

[OT] alternative to dsndynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive:

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/23/2014 11:25 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/23/2014 09:20 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as

Re: EXT4-fr error, ext4_find_entry: reading directory...

2014-11-24 Thread linuxmasterjedi
- Mail original - De: Karl E. Jorgensen k...@jorgensen.org.uk À: debian-user@lists.debian.org Envoyé: Lundi 24 Novembre 2014 13:23:13 Objet: Re: EXT4-fr error, ext4_find_entry: reading directory... Hi On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 01:17:29PM +0100, linuxmasterj...@free.fr wrote:

Re: [OT] alternative to dnsdynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? I meant dnsdynamic of course... Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or possibly another distro. But Debian will lose users. 1. At best that's pure speculation. With all due

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread John Hasler
Matt Ventura writes: I think the bug here IMO is that a system simply shouldn't *do* things in general without me telling it to. If I close the lid of my laptop, unless I have told it to suspend when I do so, then it shouldn't suspend. I should be telling my machine to do the things I want it

Re: [OT] alternative to dnsdynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Paul Scott
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 07:40:42AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? I meant dnsdynamic of course... You give no description but from the name

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread John Hasler
Jonathan Dowland writes: The other issue here is that if you've told your system how you want it to behave once, it would be ideal if you didn't have to tell it the same thing again. It isn't just ideal. It's Debian policy to respect configuration changes on upgrade. -- John Hasler

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/24/2014 at 02:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 24/11/14 13:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have yet to have a single problem with it. What about all of those people with custom

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or possibly another distro. But Debian will lose users. 1. At best that's pure

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Martin Read
On 24/11/14 13:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And exactly what is the Debian way to add custom (NOT customized pre-packaged) software to the system? As far as I can tell, the obvious things that go into the Debian way for installing custom software are: 1) If your software isn't installed via

Re: EXT4-fr error, ext4_find_entry: reading directory...

2014-11-24 Thread linuxmasterjedi
- Mail original - It could even be a power issue - lack of sufficient voltage can have all sorts of weird and counter-intuitive results. And inconsistently so. Gonna change the power supply SATA cables. At the boot, the BIOS take ages to detect HDs now, that's another

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/24/2014 at 02:59 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:58:46PM -0800, Matt Ventura wrote: I think the bug here IMO is that a system simply shouldn't *do* things in general without me telling it to. If I close the lid of my laptop, unless I have told it to suspend

Re: [OT] alternative to dnsdynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Ron Leach
On 24/11/2014 13:40, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? Two ideas: First, If you are looking for (1) a free domain name with (2) the capability to

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:01:45PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/11/24 17:18 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org: I guess your argument makes sense if you are talking about all source packages from the systemd stable, including logind; it's unlikely Patrick's init system was switched to

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 07:38:34AM -0600, John Hasler wrote: It isn't just ideal. It's Debian policy to respect configuration changes on upgrade. That isn't the case, I'm afraid. At least if you are referring to [1], this section refers specifically to *configuration files*, in the context

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:03:31AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote: Personally, I suspect that the only reason suspend on lid close is thought of as a sensible default is because so many other (non-*nix) systems already do it, not because of anything inherent to the behavior or to lid-close

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Patrick Wiseman
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:01:45PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/11/24 17:18 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org: I guess your argument makes sense if you are talking about all source packages from the systemd stable,

Re: [OT] alternative to dnsdynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Ron Leach
On 24/11/2014 14:23, Ron Leach wrote: First, If you are looking for (1) a free domain name with (2) the capability to automatically update the dns record whenever the IP address of a host changes, such as the dyndns free service previously did, then I wonder if it may be possible to 1. use a

Re: [OT] alternative to dnsdynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Paul Scott wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 07:40:42AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? I meant dnsdynamic of course... You give no description but

Re: ntpd confusion

2014-11-24 Thread Chen Wei
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 10:58:29AM +0100, mad wrote: mentioned, other Debian installations not on my home network, with the same configuration show as expected four clock sources. Even starting ntpd on the command line doesn't show any more data and ntpd is compiled without debugging. Probably

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or possibly another distro. But Debian

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/24/2014 8:58 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 24/11/14 13:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And exactly what is the Debian way to add custom (NOT customized pre-packaged) software to the system? As far as I can tell, the obvious things that go into the Debian way for installing custom software are:

Re: [OT] alternative to dsndynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 00:33, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? Hugo noip.com is one of many - it's possible to use it with the debian package ddclient Do I use it? Yes. Is it

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 00:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or possibly another distro. But Debian will lose users. 1. At

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Christian Seiler
Am 2014-11-24 15:47, schrieb Patrick Wiseman: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 9:23 AM, Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 06:01:45PM +0900, Joel Rees wrote: 2014/11/24 17:18 Jonathan Dowland j...@debian.org: I guess your argument makes sense if you are talking about all

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 00:53, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/24/2014 at 02:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 24/11/14 13:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have yet to have a single problem with it. What

NFS homedirs and icon position

2014-11-24 Thread Paul van der Vlis
Hello, I have a strange problem with homedirs on NFS (Wheezy), using Gnome3 Classic. With advanced settings I configured the desktop so that users can place icons on it. The problem is that after ordening the icons and rebooting the machine, the position of the icons is the old position again...

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 01:03, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/24/2014 at 02:59 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:58:46PM -0800, Matt Ventura wrote: I think the bug here IMO is that a system simply shouldn't *do* things in general without me telling it to. If I close the lid of my

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 01:57, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 02:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:58 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 24/11/14 13:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And exactly what is the Debian way to add custom (NOT customized pre-packaged) software to the system? As far as I can tell, the obvious things that go into the Debian

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/24/2014 10:05 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 00:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or possibly another

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/24/2014 10:52 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 01:57, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/24/2014 at 10:37 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 00:53, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/24/2014 at 02:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: It's illogical to upgrade and not expect change - even when electing (as Debian allows) to retain the same init system. It's illogical to upgrade and

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Jerry Stuckle
On 11/24/2014 11:01 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 02:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:58 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 24/11/14 13:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And exactly what is the Debian way to add custom (NOT customized pre-packaged) software to the system? As far as I can

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Curt
On 2014-11-24, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Some of them came to Debian because it was one of the last holdouts. Is that a reference to a term used in a television show about the fictitious Wild West? I can only apologise of my ignorance of popular culture (long

Re: moving from 3.16-3-486 to 686

2014-11-24 Thread Harry Putnam
Pascal Hambourg pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org writes: Harry Putnam a écrit : My question is whether continuing to use the 486 versions of kernels has any down sides? The -486 kernel lacks support for multiprocessing/hyperthreading and PAE (which is required for NX/XD bit). I see in my latest

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 03:13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 10:05 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 00:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision.

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Martin Read
On 24/11/14 16:30, The Wanderer wrote: I do not have links to specific messages, since I don't habitually work with or enjoy browsing through Web archives of mailing lists, and since I've never understood (or even understood how to make practical use of) the message links - looking outwardly

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 03:26, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 10:52 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 01:57, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip snipped Do you expect customers to build .deb

Debootstrap and Multistrap - instructional material?

2014-11-24 Thread Richard Owlett
I attempting to do some heavily customized installs. It was suggested I investigate debootstrap. My initial attempts were only a partial success. While searching for more information I came across multistrap which appears more suitable for me. The man pages and tutorials I've found so far

Re: moving from 3.16-3-486 to 686

2014-11-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:35:46PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote: Pascal Hambourg pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org writes: Harry Putnam a écrit : My question is whether continuing to use the 486 versions of kernels has any down sides? The -486 kernel lacks support for

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 03:36, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-24, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Some of them came to Debian because it was one of the last holdouts. Is that a reference to a term used in a television show about the fictitious Wild West? I can only apologise of my

Re: [OT] alternative to dsndynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Reco
Hi. On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 07:33:04AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? freedns.afraid.org works for me last several years. Requires a registration, as always. Reco --

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or possibly another

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Miles Fidelman
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 10:52 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 01:57, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Ric Moore
On 11/24/2014 08:18 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And while Wheezy will still be supported for a couple of years, it's not necessarily the answer. While many people don't want the latest and greatest, they also don't want the oldest and baddest. Sounds like your customers need to either pay for

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