date:20170527

On Sat 27 May 2017 at 14:19:29 (-0700), David Christensen wrote:
> On 05/27/2017 12:40 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:
> >David Christensen  writes:
> >># cat /etc/debian_version
> >8.8
> 
> >># uname -a
> >Linux audio2 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) i686 
> >GNU/Linux
> 
> >># fdisk -l /dev/sdc
> >fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found
> 
> >># dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=2048; sync
> >dd: failed to open â€˜/dev/sdcâ€™: No medium found
> 
> The path to your device node appears to contain unicode.  Is that an
> e-mail artifact, or did you feed a unicode path to dd?  This is why
> I said "paste your console session into a reply" -- so we can verify
> the command that was actually run.

I hadn't noticed it before, but dd uses “real” quotation marks
in its error message. Who would have thought it?

I'd be interested to see the contents of file /run/udev/data/b8:X
where X is typically a power of two. The file appears as the stick
is plugged in. If the stick is partitioned, files b8:X+1, etc also
appear, one for each partition.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Duda sobre consulta LDAP

2017-05-27 Thread AlexLikeRock





Saludos a todos:
Aunque lo que voy a preguntar es para aplicar en Zimbra 8.6 sobre
Ubuntu 14.03, mi duda consiste en


si tienes dudas de  MUGRU-Buntu,
entonces ve a la  lista de MUGRU-Buntu ;-)

Re: spammers go personal

2017-05-27 Thread Mark

what up

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> UTC Time: May 25, 2017 2:44 AM
>
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> response to what appeared to be my spam by Christian Hinch
>
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Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On Sat 27 May 2017 at 17:39:48 (+0200), Nicolas George wrote:

> L'octidi 8 prairial, an CCXXV, gwmf...@openmailbox.org a écrit :
> > […]
> […]
> In this matter, considerations such as "preserving local cultures" are
> irrelevant.

An astonishing juxtaposition!

> Convenience sets a few rules. The most important of these is: the
> decimal separator, which has a semantic role, must be much more visible
> than the thousand separator, which has only an aesthetic role. Thus, dot
> for decimal and comma for thousand is stupid.

In view of your text following, "stupid" might be a bit strong. The
drift is certainly towards whitespace separators, in which case it
would no longer matter.

> I suggest to apply the following rules, whenever you are free to chose
> your rules:
> 
> - Be liberal in what you accept: understand both dots and commas, do not
>   start a pedantic rant if you get a text with the "wrong" one.
> 
> - In "casual" computerized text, especially monospace, use dot for
>   decimal and no thousand separator.
> 
> - In typeset text, use dot for decimal and a thin space for thousands
>   (possibly: only if the range of the numbers exceeds , i.e. no
>   thousand separator for years for example).
> 
> - In hand-written text, the visibility of the dot is not reliable
>   enough, use a comma for decimal. And a small space for thousand.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Issue with notebook (maybe the battery?)

2017-05-27 Thread Daniel Bareiro

Hi, David.

On 24/05/17 22:23, David Wright wrote:

>> When you talk about "the numbers", do you mean to see by the console the
>> values that are obtained for both batteries (voltage, for example) to
>> make a comparison?

> Yes, the bash function I use is:
> 
> battery () 
> { 
> local BATTERYFILE="/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/uevent";
> [ ! -r $BATTERYFILE ] && printf '%s\n' "$BATTERYFILE not found!" && 
> return 1;
> date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M-%S;
> cat $BATTERYFILE;
> local FILEBATNOW="/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_now";
> local FILEBATPREV="/sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_full";
> local CHARGE=$(( 100 * $(< $FILEBATNOW) / $(< $FILEBATPREV) ));
> [ $CHARGE -lt 100 ] && printf '%s\n' "Charge: $CHARGE%"
> }

Interesting... thanks for sharing :-)

I had to modify it because in my case I don't have "BAT0/charge_full"
and "BAT0/charge_now". I have "BAT0/energy_now" and "BAT0/energy_full".
Maybe you're using Stretch or a Backports kernel?

> AIUI uevent gives you the lot, which varies by model etc.
> so just   cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/uevent
> should do it, with and without the power supply connected.

Sending the values to a file, I then graphed them using GNUPlot. A
picture tells more than thousands of words :-) It is interesting to see
how the charging curve describes almost a perfect straight line
and then begins to decelerate as it approaches 100%.

https://ibin.co/3Ny1TPsm9oNn.png

> (I run a slightly more sophisticated version that also
> reads the CPU temperature, has error trapping, and changes
> the root window colour according to battery state and,
> if frying, temperature.)

It would be interesting to see it :-)


Kind regards,
Daniel



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Re: Debian LiveCDs are missing UFW!

2017-05-27 Thread Michael Milliman



On 05/27/2017 06:43 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> It's quite pathetic to discover the recent Debian
> LiveCDs are missing UFW!
> 
Perhaps an oversight, perhaps not.  But, postings of this nature are
unlikely to result in anything constructive happening.
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Debian LiveCDs are missing UFW!

2017-05-27 Thread Nomen Nescio

It's quite pathetic to discover the recent Debian
LiveCDs are missing UFW!

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

Le 27/05/2017 à 20:41, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> Comment réparer Firefox sans tout perdre

Je ne sais pas. Je ne sais pas ce qui pose problème chez toi, ca va etre
a toi de le trouver.

Pour les différents fichiers ou sont rangées les choses dans firefox
(preferences, mots de passe, historique de navigation et de formulaires,
marque pages, etc…) :
https://support.mozilla.org/fr/kb/recuperer-donnees-importantes-ancien-profil

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

2017-05-27 Thread G2PC

Le 27/05/2017 à 20:41, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> On Saturday 27 May 2017 08:24:17 you wrote:
>> Pour ma part je n'ai jamais eu de tel souci. La prochaine fois 
>> que ça arrive essayez de supprimer le dossier de préférences 
>> sans réinstaller le navigateur. Je dirais à première vue que 
>> c'est quelque-chose dans les préférences qui pose problème.   
> Si j'installe un nouveau profile, je n'aurais plus ce bug de fermeture
> brutale, mais je perds toutes mes préférences enregistrées,
> historique, marques pages etc...
>
> Comment réparer Firefox sans tout perdre.
> Quel(s) répertoire(s)  ou fichier(s)  est à supprimer qui
> entraine ce bug inhérent chez moi ?
>
> André
>  
Si tu utilises un compte firefox pour sauvegarder tes favoris en les
synchronisant ?
Tu remet ton compte sur ton nouveau firefox.

Il te manquera alors surement les modules complémentaires encore.

Re: Licences FOSS

Stéphane Aulery a écrit :
> En totalité ou juste des morceaux, et lequels ?

Ces affaires n'ont pas donné lieu à un examen point par point de la
licence GNU GPL (v2) mais le fait que la première ait abouti à une
condamnation d'Edu4 et la seconde à un accord à l'amiable après
plusieurs années de procédure montre qu'on peut tout à fait faire valoir
en France devant un tribunal une violation de la licence GNU GPL.

Pour les détails de l'affaire ayant opposé l'AFPA à Edu4, cf.
http://fsffrance.org/news/article2009-09-22.fr.html

Quant à l'affaire ayant opposé les auteurs de Busybox à Free, elle s'est
terminée par un accord à l'amiable dont les termes sont confidentiels :
http://fsffrance.org/news/article2011-09-14.fr.html

Petite anecdote au passage, dans les mois qui ont suivi l'accord
à l'amiable entre Free et les auteurs de Busybox et la mise en ligne par
Free de tous les codes sources modifiés par ses soins, peu ou prou tous
les autres fournisseurs de box internet ont « spontanément » publié les
modifications qu'ils avaient effectuées de leur côté et se sont fait un
devoir d'informer leurs utilisateurs. :D

> ... et donc ils prennent des licences qui ne protègent pas les
> contractant et on des effets imprévisibles ? On ne peut pas aller
> davantage contre ses propres intérêts.

Sans entrer dans les détails, disons simplement que les personnes
morales dont je parle ont des services juridiques solides, surtout en
matière de propriété intellectuelle, et qu'elles savent où est leur
intérêt. Et leur intérêt passe entre autres par des licences bien
connues de leurs services - tant techniques que juridiques - dont elles
maitrisent les tenants et les aboutissants.

Ensuite, quand on intègre un grand nombre de logiciels dans un outil
complexe, on a tout intérêt à limiter les licences par trop spécifiques
et à assurer la plus grande homogénéité de licences possible. Sinon, on
se retrouve vite dans une situation inextricable, voire en présence
d'une chimère juridique.

> Pour avoir un statut juridique clair autant placer l’œuvre sous
> plusieurs licences à appliquer en fonction du régime des contractants.

Multiplier les contrats, ce n'est vraiment pas la bonne manière de se
simplifier la vie.

Sébastien

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答复: installing xz-utils

2017-05-27 Thread 慕冬亮

The mirror "ftp.utexas.edu" is outdated.

Please try other mirror, such as "ftp.us.debian.org". I have checked that
xz-utils_5.1.1alpha+20120614-2+b3_amd64.deb exists on this server.

发件人: Robert F. Crochelt
发送时间: 2017年5月26日 5:08
收件人: debian-user@lists.debian.org
主题: installing xz-utils

Hi:

sudo apt-get install xz-utils fails with error message:

bob@iMac:~$ sudo apt-get install xz-utils
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
xz-utils
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 7 not upgraded.
Need to get 221 kB of archives.
After this operation, 483 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Err http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/ jessie/main xz-utils amd64
5.1.1alpha+20120614-2+b3
Index of /debian - University of Texas at Austin
ftp.utexas.edu
Debian Archive. See http://www.debian.org/ for information about Debian
GNU/Linux. Current Releases. Four Debian releases are available on the main
site:

404 Not Found
E: Failed to fetch
http://ftp.utexas.edu/debian/pool/main/x/xz-utils/xz-utils_5.1.1alpha+20120614-2+b3_amd64.deb
404 Not Found

E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with
--fix-missing?

I've installed numerous other packages with apt-get on this Intel iMac, running
jessie, without problems. Internet connection is OK. I ran apt-get upgrade
and ran with --fix-missing with no change.

Thanks in advance for any ideas.

--
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Montana USA

Re: Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread Mònica Ramírez Arceda

On 27/05/17 22:28, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> Suposo que de Tagamanent es refereixen a aquest poble:
> https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagamanent

No...
Més aviat és això: https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tur%C3%B3_de_Tagamanent

Salut!

Re: Kingston Thumb Drive Comatose.

2017-05-27 Thread David Christensen


On 05/27/2017 12:40 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:

David Christensen  writes:

# cat /etc/debian_version

8.8



# uname -a

Linux audio2 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) i686 
GNU/Linux



# fdisk -l /dev/sdc

fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found



# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=2048; sync

dd: failed to open â€˜/dev/sdcâ€™: No medium found


The path to your device node appears to contain unicode.  Is that an 
e-mail artifact, or did you feed a unicode path to dd?  This is why I 
said "paste your console session into a reply" -- so we can verify the 
command that was actually run.




# fdisk -l /dev/sdc

fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found



root@audio2:/home/martin# ls /dev/sdc
/dev/sdc


Plain 'ls' isn't very useful.  The -l switch provides more information.


Please unplug all extraneous USB devices, leave the Kingston drive 
plugged in, run the following commands, and paste your console session 
into a reply:


# ls -l /dev/sdc

# lsusb


What happens if you connect the Kingston drive into a Windows machine?


David

File exchange with Samsung S3560

2017-05-27 Thread MENGUAL Jean-Philippe

Hi,


>From Jessie, I try to exchange files  with a Samsung S3560, Android 2.
I've not:ing in the phone about Storage. But when I run gmtp, it doesn't
see the phone. However, dmesg shows that a ssdg device exists. It
appears in my device list but is unable to be mounted.


How can I exchange files via USB cable? An idea?


Thanks for your help.


Regards,



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Re: unable to repartition SD card from Android phone

2017-05-27 Thread David Christensen


On 05/27/2017 11:30 AM, Mark Copper wrote:


Does you SD card and/or SD card adapter have a write-protect tab or other
such mechanism?  If so, put it in the unlocked position.


The micro SD cards used in phones don't appear to have such
mechanisms, but your point is well taken; viz. I've not adequately
checked the hardware path (MB, card reader, etc. red-faced here...)


I bought a SanDisk 32GB Micro SDHC card for my Android phone a while 
back.  It came with a Micro SDHC to SD adapter, and the adapter has an 
unmarked switch in the same style and location of the write-protect 
switches on my other SD cards.  I'm not sure if the switch actually does 
anything.




Have you tried using dd to wipe the first megabyte (including the partition
table)?

# dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=2048; sync



Yes, but no effect. Even count=1 gets to non-zero bytes:

dd if=/dev/sdc count=1 | od -b
000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
700 002 000 356 377 377 377 001 000 000 000 377 043 267 003 000 000
720 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
760 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 125 252
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
0001000
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.00365101 s, 140 kB/s

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=1; sync
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.0170507 s, 30.0 kB/s

 dd if=/dev/sdc count=1 | od -b
000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
700 002 000 356 377 377 377 001 000 000 000 377 043 267 003 000 000
720 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
760 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 125 252
, 0.00290682 s, 176 kB/s
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied
0001000

Maybe I'm not looking at this right...


I think you are looking at it correctly.  Your console session indicates 
that the drive appears to accept writes, but is actually discarding them.




The idea that a card could be locked up by the OS is titillating but
improbable. There would have to be an (apparently) unpublished trap
door or a back door to the disk controller in a generic disk.  So it's
gotta be hardware and this has all been noise.


Perhaps the drive firmware has decided the device is failing, and has 
forced read-only mode so that you have a chance to recovery any viable 
data (?).



Have you tried contacting technical support for the drive manufacturer?


David

Re: Unable to install custom package using defined dependency version

On Sat 27 May 2017 at 13:51:01 (-0500), Sijis Aviles wrote:
> On May 26, 2017 7:09 PM, I wrote:
> 
>> cpp-4.8 and gcc-4.8,
>> python2.7-minimal and python2.7,
>> python3-minimal and python3,
>> etc.
>> 
>  Ahh, I didn't realize you suggested to make the package name include the
> version (eg my-app-1.0.5).
> 
> That's an interesting approach I didn't think about.
> 
> Related, but how do other places do "nightly" build of their packages.

I don't know what they are.

> Do
> they also include the version as part of the package name itself.
> 
> Thanks for all the advice. This has made me rethink a few things.

The main reason for including versioning in the package name is
where they need to coexist on the system, as in the examples above.
Most people like me write python3 but the system has to have
python2.7 if only because system software still uses it.

Both tcl and tk have multiple versions, presumably because of
different vintages of software that use them as extension languages.
Guile is another example, though Debian appear determined to
eliminate guile-1.8 in stretch even though this prevents
LilyPond from being included in the release.

Another example is kernel images, where the ABI version is
in the package name.

Cheers,
David.

Re: Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread Narcis Garcia

Suposo que de Tagamanent es refereixen a aquest poble:
https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagamanent

Aquí hi ha el wiki amb el material de l'anterior comunicat:
http://wiki.gilug.org/index.php/Comunicats_publics


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masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
administrator should fix this.
El 27/05/17 a les 19:57, Josep Lladonosa ha escrit:
> 
> 
> On 27 May 2017 at 18:37, Narcis Garcia  > wrote:
> 
> Al GiLUG tenim una llista de difusió, per on vam enviar un comunicat de
> premsa anunciant la Debian 8 a moolts mitjans:
> 
> http://llista.gilug.org/pipermail/premsa/2015/00.html
> 
> 
> 
> Es podria fer el mateix per la Debian 9.
> 
> 
> 
> És molt bona idea fer un comunicat de premsa.
> Suposo que serà "Debian 9 release", i jo en diria "Llançament de Debian
> 9" o bé "Estrena de Debian 9", però no pas "Alliberament" com en
> l'anterior edició ja que la veig com una traducció usant una accepció no
> del tot correcta en aquest context, ja que "Debian is always free"... ;-
>  
>  
> 
> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> administrator should fix this.
> El 27/05/17 a les 13:04, a...@probeta.net 
> ha escrit:
> > Hola,
> >
> > sembla que tindrem nova Debian stable en tres setmanes
> >
> > 
>  https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg2.html 
> 
> >
> > Algú s'anima a muntar una "Stretch party" ?
> >
> >   https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch
> 
> >
> > Salutacions
> >
> >
> > Àlex
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> Salutacions...Josep
> --

Re: Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread Pedro

A mi també m'agrada la idea del tagamanent!

+1 simó i aniol

2017-05-27 21:44 GMT+02:00 Simó Albert i Beltran :
> Pensava fer-ho el mateix 17/6/2017.

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27, Curt  wrote:
> On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Define "appears to not be working." Anyhow, I believe someone here can
>>> help you with this if only they'll pipe up (and you stop top-posting).
>>> 
>>> ;-)
>>
>> "Top-posting" is putting my writing above the quote? this is frowned 
>> upon? (or you were joking?). I wasn't aware top-posting was bad. I'll 
>> stop doing it.
>>
>
> Normally, you should "interleave" your responses, trimming the material
> not pertinent to your reply. 
>
> I say this because bottom-posting (like bottom-fishing--well, not
> precisely) in which the poster quotes (following others of his ilk) an
> entire thread in order to make one superfluous comment at the bottom is
> just as bad, if not worse (I think its worse), although the behavior is
 it's
> seldom reprimanded.
>
>


-- 
"It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the
far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs.
Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To
the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

Re: Intresting dd fsck grub uuid fstab action

On Fri 26 May 2017 at 17:52:33 (-0400), Fungi4All wrote:
> From: deb...@lionunicorn.co.uk
>> On Thu 25 May 2017 at 16:41:37 (-0400), Fungi4All wrote:
>> > Le 25/05/2017 à 05:11, Fungi4All a écrit :
>> > > I experimented in switching a clone of my sid installation to an 
>> > > experimental, that was the plan.
>> > > Since I was doing other things I thought I'll let the cloning take place 
>> > > unattended.
>> > > Let's say sda5/6/7/8/9 were to be cloned to sdb5-9 (5 / 6 var 7 sw 8 tmp 
>> > > 9 home) all b partitions were slightly larger.
>> > > I used dd bs=1M for each one and though all I had to do is log in sda5 
>> > > edit the sdb5 fstab and then update-grub.
>> 
>> … and I get the impression that that's exactly what you did:
>> 1 dd
>> 2a "log in sda5" (is that mount, or boot?)
>> 
> Boot
>> 
>> 2b edit an fstab file (to what purpose, at this point?)
>> 
> Why would I edit the fstab in the original installation that I copied from?

How would I know which fstab you edited? You have this situation:

fsUUIDs Disk A  Disk B
 ↓
MBR points to any fsUUID ABCD   unknown MBR
some other partitions   some other partitions
ABCDsda5 identical with sdb5
EF23sda6 identical with sdb6
4567sda7 identical with sdb7
89ABsda8 identical with sdb8
CDEFsda9 identical with sdb9

or do you? Why not:

fsUUIDs Disk A  Disk B
 ↓
MBR points to any fsUUID ABCD   unknown MBR
some other partitions   some other partitions
ABCDsdb5 identical with sda5
EF23sdb6 identical with sda6
4567sdb7 identical with sda7
89ABsdb8 identical with sda8
CDEFsdb9 identical with sda9

IOW how did you decide which disk the kernel had decided to call sda?
How did you tell which was the original and which was the identical copy?

> From sda5 I edited the new copy on sdb5 but sda5 did not boot my first
> time around.

I don't know what "my first time around" means. I've struggled to
reconstruct what you did from a list of numbered questions/comments
in your OP (not a strict list of actions) and some responses to
comments in your follow-up.

I asked "to what purpose do you edit fstab" because at this
stage I see no sense in it. The original disk has an MBR that
allegedly boots partition 5. Presumably it then mounts the
partitions of interest, 6-9 using it's fstab.

The "other" disk has an unknown MBR but is otherwise the same.
Were you to disconnect the original disk's data cable, you
could boot a rescue/live stick and install the correct MBR/grub
on the "other" disk and be able to boot *its" partition 5.
Its fstab would remain the same. All the UUIDs would still tie
up. Everything would be hunky dory so long as the disks never
"met" each other.

> The fsck messages I could only think were pertaining to
> something wrong in the new partitions but even IT did not make sense.

I have no evidence to suggest that problems could be caused by
the trailing garbage in the copied partitions (which you said
were bigger), but it would spur me into finding out.

>> 
>> 3 run update-grub
>> 
> Yes, thinking that at least this would fix the original booting up.
> Either source or target wouldn't matter.

But I think this would screw up the (which?) grub.cfg royally.
And, unless you're actually a forensic scientist prepared to
carry out experiments and examine the code (because there's
some seriously valuable deductions to be made), picking over
the messed up file is probably a waste of time.

>> 
>> Assuming that your copies are good, and that the apparent
>> "alterations" to sda… arise from misunderstanding or misinterpreting
>> UUIDs (or that they actually post-date your running update-grub), then
>> your problems arise from one or both of:
>> 
> I had no intention to alter anything in sda, why would I. It was just a
> source to copy from an already functional system. The only change
> would have been an additional entry to grub.cfg in sda5 for booting to
> sdb5.

Computers don't take notice of intentions, only actions.

>> 
>> Booting into sda5 with both devices sda and sdb connected,
>> Running update-grub with both devices sda and sdb connected.
>> 
> That only happened after I had already copied the "new" uuids on sdb5
> to the fstab there.

That's no help. You've already booted a system with duplicate UUIDs
using a version of grub that finding things by UUID (choosing between
original and copied partitions at random?, who knows?) and a kernel
that guesses at random which disk to label /dev/sda and which to
label /dev/sdb.

> Simple copy-paste of 5 uuids from /dev/disk/by-uuid

I don't understand this. You seem to be

Re: Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread Simó Albert i Beltran

Pensava fer-ho el mateix 17/6/2017.

Re: Kingston Thumb Drive Comatose.

2017-05-27 Thread Martin McCormick

David Christensen  writes:
> Please verify the device node for the USB flash drive (e.g. /dev/sdc), run
> the following commands, and paste your console session into a reply:
> 
> 
> # cat /etc/debian_version
> 
> # uname -a
> 
> # fdisk -l /dev/sdc
> 
> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=2048; sync
> 
> # fdisk -l /dev/sdc
> 
> 
> David

I also added to that
#ls /dev/sdc

Here are the results.

8.8
Linux audio2 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) i686 
GNU/Linux
fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found
dd: failed to open â/dev/sdcâ: No medium found
fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdc: No medium found
root@audio2:/home/martin# ls /dev/sdc
/dev/sdc

It's there but it doesn't do anything else but show up as a
storage device with no medium.

Martin

Re: unable to repartition SD card from Android phone

2017-05-27 Thread David Christensen


On 05/27/2017 10:18 AM, Fungi4All wrote:

From: dpchr...@holgerdanske.com


Please do, but release it under a license that allows us to read it
on-line for free and then decide if we want to buy it.


Only Greeks provide you with free gifts if you are a heroic Thracian city. For
everything else there is always a cost.


You are incorrect:

https://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/

http://hop.perl.plover.com/


David

Re: Unable to install custom package using defined dependency version

2017-05-27 Thread Sijis Aviles

On May 26, 2017 7:09 PM, "David Wright"


No, you will type:

$ apt-get install my-app-1.0.5 and it will install app-configs-1.0.5,

$ apt-get install my-app-1.0.6 and it will install app-configs-1.0.6.

Yes, you reported that. That's because you've made it depend on
"package app-configs version 1.0-5~aaa" and not "package app-configs-1.0.5".

> I want to make sure a speciflc my-app version installs only a specific
> app-configs version.

I don't know how to write it any clearer, so perhaps I should just
tell you to examine how your system deals with, eg,

cpp-4.8 and gcc-4.8,
python2.7-minimal and python2.7,
python3-minimal and python3,
etc.

Examine your /var/lib/dpkg/status file's "Package:" and "Depends:" lines.

Cheers,
David.

 Ahh, I didn't realize you suggested to make the package name include the
version (eg my-app-1.0.5).

That's an interesting approach I didn't think about.

Related, but how do other places do "nightly" build of their packages. Do
they also include the version as part of the package name itself.

Thanks for all the advice. This has made me rethink a few things.

Sijis

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

2017-05-27 Thread James Cloos

> "g" == gwmfms6   writes:

g> You are correct. typing locale in the virtual (text) console produces
g> LC_TIME=en_DK. So GNOME is overriding PAM's environment.

g> Thank you so much for helping me discover this! I learned a lot in the
g> process.

Did you re-start gdm after editing the files in /etc?

You might even need to reboot given the use of a gui for login.

-JimC
-- 
James Cloos  OpenPGP: 0x997A9F17ED7DAEA6

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

2017-05-27 Thread andre_debian

On Saturday 27 May 2017 08:24:17 you wrote:
> Pour ma part je n'ai jamais eu de tel souci. La prochaine fois 
> que ça arrive essayez de supprimer le dossier de préférences 
> sans réinstaller le navigateur. Je dirais à première vue que 
> c'est quelque-chose dans les préférences qui pose problème.   

Si j'installe un nouveau profile, je n'aurais plus ce bug de fermeture
brutale, mais je perds toutes mes préférences enregistrées,
historique, marques pages etc...

Comment réparer Firefox sans tout perdre.
Quel(s) répertoire(s)  ou fichier(s)  est à supprimer qui
entraine ce bug inhérent chez moi ?

André

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents


On 05/27/2017 07:49 PM, andre_deb...@numericable.fr wrote:

On Saturday 27 May 2017 14:45:42 hamster wrote:

Le 27/05/2017 à 13:52, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :

Ou se trouve le dossier "préférences" ? je ne le vois pas dans mon
/home : ".mozilla".



Ca c'est très curieux. C'est la qu'il devrait etre. Je pense que tu a
bien fait en sorte d'afficher les fichiers cachés… ? :


Oui.


Tu peux aussi aller dans about:config et chercher avec le mot clef
"default", si t'a de la chance tu verra apparaitre le chemin qui permet
d'acceder au dossier de profil (en général c'est le cas si t'a une
extension installée) :


Fait, mais aucune info sur un sous-répertoire "préférences".


Dans /.mozilla  le fichier des préférences se nomme pref.js
Il en existe un par profil.
--
Maderios

Re: unable to repartition SD card from Android phone

2017-05-27 Thread Mark Copper

>
> Does you SD card and/or SD card adapter have a write-protect tab or other
> such mechanism?  If so, put it in the unlocked position.

The micro SD cards used in phones don't appear to have such
mechanisms, but your point is well taken; viz. I've not adequately
checked the hardware path (MB, card reader, etc. red-faced here...)

>
> Have you tried using dd to wipe the first megabyte (including the partition
> table)?
>
> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=2048; sync
>

Yes, but no effect. Even count=1 gets to non-zero bytes:

dd if=/dev/sdc count=1 | od -b
000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
700 002 000 356 377 377 377 001 000 000 000 377 043 267 003 000 000
720 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
760 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 125 252
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
0001000
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.00365101 s, 140 kB/s

dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc count=1; sync
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied, 0.0170507 s, 30.0 kB/s

 dd if=/dev/sdc count=1 | od -b
000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
700 002 000 356 377 377 377 001 000 000 000 377 043 267 003 000 000
720 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000
*
760 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 125 252
, 0.00290682 s, 176 kB/s
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
512 bytes (512 B) copied
0001000

Maybe I'm not looking at this right...

The idea that a card could be locked up by the OS is titillating but
improbable. There would have to be an (apparently) unpublished trap
door or a back door to the disk controller in a generic disk.  So it's
gotta be hardware and this has all been noise.

Re: unable to repartition SD card from Android phone

2017-05-27 Thread JPlews

On 27/05/17 18:18, Fungi4All wrote:

> But while it gives you a long error message in another system it 
notifies

> google of what that system is and which android user is attempting it.

How? Please provide citation(s).

That's my shot on science fiction, but you wouldn't think they are that 
evil, do you?

It would be naive to think they are not logging card and phone info, 
does the Google PDF reader actually need a phone ID for the purposes of 
displaying a file or storing IDs for everything you open with it on 
their systems?

Re: unable to repartition SD card from Android phone

2017-05-27 Thread JPlews


On 26/05/17 20:52, Mark Copper wrote:

Maybe I should just toss it, but I'm curious why none of my tools can
recover an SD card previously used for Android internal storage.



I have returned 2 cards from this state, dd has never failed me but 
needs extra steps to remove both places GTP is storing data, should 
fdisk or similar fail

Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust]

2017-05-27 Thread Brian

On Sat 27 May 2017 at 09:52:45 -0500, David Wright wrote:

> On Sat 27 May 2017 at 12:32:06 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> > On Fri 26 May 2017 at 17:57:40 -0500, Michael Milliman wrote:
> > 
> > > And actually, the --no-xinerama flag is not needed, at least on my
> > > system.  I use feh --bg-fill ... and it works just fine.  Of course,
> > > that is a very limited (and safe) usage of feh.  I don't think it wise
> > > to use it for anything much more (IMHO).
> > 
> > Surprising after all these years that feh is now revealed as an unsafe
> > image viewer.
> 
> Wow, I didn't realise I'd participated in a revelation.

It happens all the time on -user. :)

> I noticed the overwriting problem in September 2007, within days of
> buying a digital camera that set the orientation flag. (Previously,
> I'd been using a work cast-off which didn't set it.) I'd used xzgv
> for some years as my image viewer but never had much luck with its
> --exif-orient option, so I tried feh as an alternative because
> it appeared to honour it.
> 
> Very soon after using feh, I noticed that the timestamps displayed
> by mc on my camera picture directories were getting screwed up.
> Of course, these picture files get backed up straight from the SD
> card before I even look at them, so I was able to restore the
> original pictures without any difficulty once I'd worked out
> what to blame.

My first reaction on encountering the overwriting a short time ago was
to be annoyed; perhaps a similar reaction to yours. After reading that
the transformation was lossless (no pixels harmed in the process) I came
to terms with it for a while. I regarded the original photos as having
the wrong orientation and didn't mind ending up with ones which were
"correct". Also, any file change does not materially affect printing.

Then I decided it is usually not a good idea to lose an original file,
so I unbound the editing keys and rebound them to backup the original
before conducting any rotations etc. The "Q" key was also rebound to
restore the file on quitting feh. This effort made me feel better but
I still wondered whether losing the original was technically critical
in all circumstances. I am persuadable.

If libjpeg-progs (libjpeg-turbo-progs) is purged the issue becomes a
non-issue.

> (However there are still probably a few downloaded images that are
> not in their original state, because I have no practical way of
> discovering which ones they are.)
> 
> Apologies for not bringing it up then. I didn't resubscribe
> here for another 8 years and was only reminded about the problem
> on seeing this thread. FWIW I use xsetbg (xloadimage) for my
> desktops, but my laptops use the background colour as a
> battery-state and, in extremis, CPU temperature indicator. So,
> for example, if the power cord dislodges, the presently green
> background will switch to yellow.

The only backgrounds I contemplate having are ones with a solid color.
So its xsetroot for me on most occasions.

> > I use it to look at an image prior to printing it from feh
> > and see that as quick, reliable and convenient but not as unwise.
> 
> Understood. I didn't know whether you were a feh user, or had just
> read the man page, when I made my mouse comment. In any case, such
> single-use instances as proof-checking and wallpaper-setting may
> well justify its use, but my comment about its misdescription
> and dangers was intended for readers of this list who might use
> it as a general-purpose viewer after installing it in the wake of
> this thread.

It doesn't take much effort to damn a piece of software and labelling
it as unsafe without a justification is one way to steer users away
from it. feh would probably now be "a thing of history" if it were not
for its present maintainer, Daniel Friesel. Most people would not read
the issues on github and could form an unjustified impression of feh
and its development from such unsubstantiated claims. Articulated
criticism is one thing, assassination by innuendo is another.

> BTW I checked the error message I mentioned earlier. Feh itself
> emits the incorrect error message for PNG files, but the correct
> message is emitted by the spawned jpegtran program for JPGs.

Confirmed.

Incidentally, your mouse remarks (re Ctrl+2) are valid but (untested) I
expect the action could be rebound to a different button. Stretch has a
--auto-rotate option, which is very useful. It can easily be installed
on Jessie with a few extra packages to get it going.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Package on which Bug must be reported ? (Trackpad)

2017-05-27 Thread Kaartic Sivaraam

On Wed, 2017-05-17 at 15:33 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:06:26PM +0530, Kaartic Sivaraam wrote:
> > Issue 1 (with a related issue) :
> > 
> > I use Debian stretch on my laptop. The track pad of my laptop
> > isn't detected correctly. As a result, taps aren't considered as
> > clicks
> > and I have to click the left / right button in the track pad for
> > clicking.This is the case with the "default GNOME". On "GNOME on
> > Wayland", this doesn't seem to be the issue. I guess the track pad
> > is
> > detected correctly there as I could use taps for clicks.
> > 
> > Another related issues is with "Natural scrolling". I usually like
> > to
> > use it. On the "default GNOME" turning the option on/off has no
> > effect
> > and thus not allowing me to use Natural scrolling. This is again
> > not an
> > issue with "GNOME on Wayland"
> > 
> > Please let me know in which package the above issue(s) and the ones
> > that
> > follow are to be filed.
> 
> Can you use synclient to fix it?
> 

As I have fixed the issue with the laptop now, could you tell me what
value to modify using synclient ? There seems to be a lot of them. You
could find the output of synclient in [1]

[1] : https://pastebin.com/sA5U7TmU

--
Regards,
Kaartic

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

2017-05-27 Thread rhkramer

On Saturday, May 27, 2017 11:39:03 AM Curt wrote:

> Normally, you should "interleave" your responses, trimming the material
> not pertinent to your reply.

+1
 
> I say this because bottom-posting (like bottom-fishing--well, not
> precisely) in which the poster quotes (following others of his ilk) an
> entire thread in order to make one superfluous comment at the bottom is
> just as bad, if not worse (I think its worse), although the behavior is
> seldom reprimanded.

+1

Re: Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread Josep Lladonosa

On 27 May 2017 at 18:37, Narcis Garcia  wrote:

> Al GiLUG tenim una llista de difusió, per on vam enviar un comunicat de
> premsa anunciant la Debian 8 a moolts mitjans:
>
> http://llista.gilug.org/pipermail/premsa/2015/00.html


> Es podria fer el mateix per la Debian 9.
>


És molt bona idea fer un comunicat de premsa.
Suposo que serà "Debian 9 release", i jo en diria "Llançament de Debian 9"
o bé "Estrena de Debian 9", però no pas "Alliberament" com en l'anterior
edició ja que la veig com una traducció usant una accepció no del tot
correcta en aquest context, ja que "Debian is always free"... ;-



> __
> I'm using this express-made address because personal addresses aren't
> masked enough at this list's archives. Mailing lists service
> administrator should fix this.
> El 27/05/17 a les 13:04, a...@probeta.net ha escrit:
> > Hola,
> >
> > sembla que tindrem nova Debian stable en tres setmanes
> >
> >   https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg2.html
> >
> > Algú s'anima a muntar una "Stretch party" ?
> >
> >   https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch
> >
> > Salutacions
> >
> >
> > Àlex
> >
> >
>
>


-- 
--
Salutacions...Josep
--

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

2017-05-27 Thread andre_debian

On Saturday 27 May 2017 14:45:42 hamster wrote:
> Le 27/05/2017 à 13:52, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> > Ou se trouve le dossier "préférences" ? je ne le vois pas dans mon
> > /home : ".mozilla".

> Ca c'est très curieux. C'est la qu'il devrait etre. Je pense que tu a
> bien fait en sorte d'afficher les fichiers cachés… ? :

Oui.

> Tu peux aussi aller dans about:config et chercher avec le mot clef
> "default", si t'a de la chance tu verra apparaitre le chemin qui permet
> d'acceder au dossier de profil (en général c'est le cas si t'a une
> extension installée) :

Fait, mais aucune info sur un sous-répertoire "préférences".

Ou se situe t-il chez toi dans le répertoire ".mozilla" ?

Merci,

André

Re: unable to repartition SD card from Android phone

2017-05-27 Thread Fungi4All

From: dpchr...@holgerdanske.com

On 05/26/2017 03:23 PM, Fungi4All wrote:
> I think google locks the mbr so no other system can ever use it again.

How? Please provide citation(s).

I am kidding, but you may want to try this straight off your debian repository 
or
the latest from its developers http://www.embedded-projects.net/usbprog/
USBprog, it may give hints of whether something may be fixible. I don't have
much experience on it, I tried to see once whether you can read and/or write
firmware on something. I was wondering whether the diference between a
manufacturers usb-sticks was firmware and the rest was identical between 8GB
and 128GB. So I had identical models of the same issue of 2 different sizes and
was trying to compare. It seemed a bit more complex than programming eprom
chips.

> But while it gives you a long error message in another system it notifies
> google of what that system is and which android user is attempting it.

How? Please provide citation(s).

That's my shot on science fiction, but you wouldn't think they are that evil, 
do you?

>Please do, but release it under a license that allows us to read it
>on-line for free and then decide if we want to buy it.

Only Greeks provide you with free gifts if you are a heroic Thracian city. For
everything else there is always a cost.

Have you by any chance read The Bourne Identity by Robert Ludlum, or anything 
else
by him. Some were made into movies but as always, read the book first.

(AK)

Re: [A bit OT] Diagnosing home network

On 2017-05-26, Mark Fletcher  wrote:
>> 
> It seems like you read my original problem as slowness accessing the 
> internet. That isn't the problem, I'm concerned about intra-LAN speeds. 
> Haven't even got the length of worrying about internet speeds yet, since 
> there are so many variables that can impact that, I have to be sure my 
> end is in tip-top shape before I start poking at that.

Intra-LAN speeds; I thought you were speaking of transferring a movie file(?)
between two computers on your LAN, which couldn't proceed any faster than the
receiving end could write that file to disk? I mean, would that not be a
limiting factor, even with a quantum link?


> Mark
>
>


-- 
"It might be a vision--of a shell, of a wheelbarrow, of a fairy kingdom on the
far side of the hedge; or it might be the glory of speed; no one knew." --Mrs.
Ramsay, speculating on why her little daughter might be dashing about, in "To
the Lighthouse," by Virginia Woolf.

Re: Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread Narcis Garcia

Al GiLUG tenim una llista de difusió, per on vam enviar un comunicat de
premsa anunciant la Debian 8 a moolts mitjans:

http://llista.gilug.org/pipermail/premsa/2015/00.html

Es podria fer el mateix per la Debian 9.



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El 27/05/17 a les 13:04, a...@probeta.net ha escrit:
> Hola,
> 
> sembla que tindrem nova Debian stable en tres setmanes
> 
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg2.html
> 
> Algú s'anima a muntar una "Stretch party" ?
> 
>   https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch
> 
> Salutacions
> 
> 
> Àlex
> 
>

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?


On 2017-05-27 11:39, Nicolas George wrote:

L'octidi 8 prairial, an CCXXV, gwmf...@openmailbox.org a écrit :
A lot of Europe does it, and it is wrong! It goes back quite a while 
to when

it was fashionable to use a dot (.) as a symbol for multiplication. So
Europe stopped using a dot to signal a decimal point to avoid 
confusion

(they should have stopped stopped using a dot as a symbol for
multiplication). In the U.S. and G.B. an X was used for multiplication
symbol so they continued on using a dot for decimal (as it should be).


What glyph is used as a separator does not really matter. What really
matter is that it is convenient and everybody uses the same. We could
have settled for a heart-shaped symbol, it would have worked.

In this matter, considerations such as "preserving local cultures" are
irrelevant. It is a matter of communication, an even of (slightly)
technical communication. Convenience and unambiguity are paramount.
Hence the "everybody uses the same" condition.

Convenience sets a few rules. The most important of these is: the
decimal separator, which has a semantic role, must be much more visible
than the thousand separator, which has only an aesthetic role. Thus, 
dot

for decimal and comma for thousand is stupid.

I suggest to apply the following rules, whenever you are free to chose
your rules:

- Be liberal in what you accept: understand both dots and commas, do 
not

  start a pedantic rant if you get a text with the "wrong" one.

- In "casual" computerized text, especially monospace, use dot for
  decimal and no thousand separator.

- In typeset text, use dot for decimal and a thin space for thousands
  (possibly: only if the range of the numbers exceeds , i.e. no
  thousand separator for years for example).

- In hand-written text, the visibility of the dot is not reliable
  enough, use a comma for decimal. And a small space for thousand.

Regards,


Okay, I didn't mean to start something. I was attempting some humor in 
my previous emails about LC_NUMERIC, please read them in that context. 
Obviously Denmark's numerics, currency, and paper size creates problems 
when residing in the USA so I can't just switch to that to solve the 
LC_TIME problem.

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

2017-05-27 Thread Jeremy Nicoll

On Sat, 27 May 2017, at 16:24, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote:

> A lot of Europe does it, and it is wrong! It goes back quite a while to 
> when it was fashionable to use a dot (.) as a symbol for multiplication. 

I don't think it's a straightforward as that.

Mathematics (at university level) uses dot that way, sometimes.  But is
also
uses adjacency of symbols so eg "xy" means x times y, as may "x.y".

> So Europe stopped using a dot to signal a decimal point to avoid 
> confusion (they should have stopped stopped using a dot as a symbol for 
> multiplication). In the U.S. and G.B. an X was used for multiplication 
> symbol so they continued on using a dot for decimal (as it should be).

But mathematics also used dot and x to refer to concepts named
dot-product
and cross-product.  

In other words, what's acceptable/normal depends entirely on the
audience.

-- 
Jeremy Nicoll - my opinions are my own.

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

2017-05-27 Thread Nicolas George

L'octidi 8 prairial, an CCXXV, gwmf...@openmailbox.org a écrit :
> A lot of Europe does it, and it is wrong! It goes back quite a while to when
> it was fashionable to use a dot (.) as a symbol for multiplication. So
> Europe stopped using a dot to signal a decimal point to avoid confusion
> (they should have stopped stopped using a dot as a symbol for
> multiplication). In the U.S. and G.B. an X was used for multiplication
> symbol so they continued on using a dot for decimal (as it should be).

What glyph is used as a separator does not really matter. What really
matter is that it is convenient and everybody uses the same. We could
have settled for a heart-shaped symbol, it would have worked.

In this matter, considerations such as "preserving local cultures" are
irrelevant. It is a matter of communication, an even of (slightly)
technical communication. Convenience and unambiguity are paramount.
Hence the "everybody uses the same" condition.

Convenience sets a few rules. The most important of these is: the
decimal separator, which has a semantic role, must be much more visible
than the thousand separator, which has only an aesthetic role. Thus, dot
for decimal and comma for thousand is stupid.

I suggest to apply the following rules, whenever you are free to chose
your rules:

- Be liberal in what you accept: understand both dots and commas, do not
  start a pedantic rant if you get a text with the "wrong" one.

- In "casual" computerized text, especially monospace, use dot for
  decimal and no thousand separator.

- In typeset text, use dot for decimal and a thin space for thousands
  (possibly: only if the range of the numbers exceeds , i.e. no
  thousand separator for years for example).

- In hand-written text, the visibility of the dot is not reliable
  enough, use a comma for decimal. And a small space for thousand.

Regards,

-- 
  Nicolas George


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Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org  wrote:
>> 
>> Define "appears to not be working." Anyhow, I believe someone here can
>> help you with this if only they'll pipe up (and you stop top-posting).
>> 
>> ;-)
>
> "Top-posting" is putting my writing above the quote? this is frowned 
> upon? (or you were joking?). I wasn't aware top-posting was bad. I'll 
> stop doing it.
>

Normally, you should "interleave" your responses, trimming the material
not pertinent to your reply. 

I say this because bottom-posting (like bottom-fishing--well, not
precisely) in which the poster quotes (following others of his ilk) an
entire thread in order to make one superfluous comment at the bottom is
just as bad, if not worse (I think its worse), although the behavior is
seldom reprimanded.

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?


On 2017-05-27 10:49, Frank wrote:

Op 27-05-17 om 14:33 schreef gwmf...@openmailbox.org:
Denmark does LC_NUMERIC wrong (using a comma where there should be a 
decimal point).
Really? When did Denmark start using a decimal point instead of a 
comma?


Regards,
Frank


A lot of Europe does it, and it is wrong! It goes back quite a while to 
when it was fashionable to use a dot (.) as a symbol for multiplication. 
So Europe stopped using a dot to signal a decimal point to avoid 
confusion (they should have stopped stopped using a dot as a symbol for 
multiplication). In the U.S. and G.B. an X was used for multiplication 
symbol so they continued on using a dot for decimal (as it should be).


God help the United States though with its continual reliance on the 
Imperial system for measurement and it's crazy date/time setup.

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents


On 05/27/2017 04:17 PM, hamster wrote:

Le 27/05/2017 à 15:33, maderios a écrit :

On 05/27/2017 02:41 PM, hamster wrote:

Le 27/05/2017 à 10:22, maderios a écrit :

1.2 Go ram et cpu à 70%,  ce n'est pas normal. Chez moi, avec F52,
onze onglets ouverts, firefox consomme +- 510M.
La cpu est entre 0% et 1% au repos.


Oui, je peux aussi faire ca selon les pages ouvertes. Si c'est des pages
wikipedia ou des trucs simples dans le meme genre je peux en ouvrir
plusieurs dizaines sans problème. Le souci arrive uniquement avec
certaines pages, souvent des webmails compliqués.


Quelles pages?


Ca le fait avec yahoo, gmail, zimbra (le webmail de free). Ca le fait
aussi de temps en temps avec des pages au hazard du surf mais j'ai pas
noté lesquelles au fur et a mesure.

J'utilise ces sites avec plusieurs onglets ouverts sans souci particulier
https://twitter.com/
https://www.romandie.com/news/
http://www.francetvinfo.fr/
http://www.lemonde.fr/
http://france.lachainemeteo.com/meteo-france/previsions-meteo-france-0.php
http://news.sky.com/watch-live


Ca n'est pas spécifique a mon ordinateur : c'est aussi le cas chez des
copains a qui j'ai installé linux. Bien sur, je leur ai installé la meme
chose que chez moi : meme version de debian, meme version de firefox et
memes extensions.

Il faudrait sans doute que je commence par désactiver les extensions une
a une pour voir si y'en a une qui fout la merde, mais si je désactive
ublock origin je ramasse plein de pubs qui chargent elles aussi le
processeur et la mémoire.

J'ai rencontré des problèmes dans le passé avec ublock, je l'ai remplacé 
par adblockplus.Cela pourrait venir également des scripts. Essaie de 
tester avec l'extension noscript.


--
Maderios

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?


On 2017-05-27 10:20, Curt wrote:

On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org  wrote:


This definitely explains the problem (Thanks for contributing!), but I
don't think it's a real solution because changing the Gnome region 
like
described (although it does change LC_TIME) changes other variables 
(in

addition to LC_TIME) that make no sense for the United States (eg.,
LC_NUMERIC, LC_MONETARY, LC_PAPER).

Denmark does LC_NUMERIC wrong (using a comma where there should be a
decimal point). The United States does LC_TIME and LC_MEASUREMENT 
wrong.


Holy Jesus.


I want to make everything proper and swapping to all en_DK variables
fixes some things but not others. The only proper solution is to:

1) be able to change individual variables within Gnome (which I don't
think is possible in current gnome)



2) create my own locale, which I do not know how to do. I've found two
guides (linked below) for doing it but neither of them worked for me 
(I

think the part about using localedef appears to not be working.)

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/136920/set-custom-locales-in-gnome3-on-fedora-20
https://askubuntu.com/questions/653008/how-to-create-a-new-system-locale



Define "appears to not be working." Anyhow, I believe someone here can
help you with this if only they'll pipe up (and you stop top-posting).

;-)


"Top-posting" is putting my writing above the quote? this is frowned 
upon? (or you were joking?). I wasn't aware top-posting was bad. I'll 
stop doing it.

Re: Missing update notification on Stretch Gnome

On 27-05-17, Yvan Masson wrote:
> >Le 27/05/2017 à 15:27, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
> >>> On 27-05-17, Yvan Masson wrote:
>  Hi,
> 
>  As said "deloptes" in the previous "Update notifier" thread, there is by
>  default a notification about pending updates on Stretch with Gnome.
>  However, I never got any of those notifications.
> 
>  I have gnome-packagekit installed (which indeed has section "Povides:
>  update-notifier").
> 
>  My source.list seems normal:
>  deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib
>  deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main non-free 
>  contrib
>  deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
>  contrib non-free
> 
>  software-properties-gtk is installed and seems configured normally.
> 
>  Any clue of what could be tho problem?
> 
>  Regards,
>  Yvan
> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Open software and updates and check settings under updates tab?
> >>> 
> 
> >> Done, here is what I have:
> >>
> >> Install updates from:
> >>   security updates (stretch/updates)
> >>   recommended updates (stretch-updates)
> >> Automatically check for updates: daily
> >> When there are security updates: display immediately
> >> Whene there are other updates: 
> >>
> 
> > Please, do not reply to me directly, I'm subscribed to the mailing
> > list, you should send mail there.
> 
> Please apologize, I am used to other mail client where clicking on
> "Reply" just rely to the list by default.
> 
No problem, really, been in that situation myself :)

> > As for those settings, only difference is that I have Download and
> > install automatically in security updates, but that should not make
> > any difference. There are no security updates for stretch anyway.
> > Perhaps some settings under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ are different, or I
> > simply have some package installed that you are missing. Are you sure
> > that you do not get any notifications at all? Those are located under
> > clock and calendar with this version of Gnome. You can open them with
> > Super+m combination of keys. Also, if you do update in terminal
> > before those notifications get chance to show up, they will not be
> > displayed. And once you do update, they are gone too.
> 
> The only special configuration I have in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d is a file
> to avoid debconf prompts on update:
> Dpkg::Options {
>"--force-confdef";
>"--force-confold";
> }
> 
> Absolutely sure that I did not have any update notifications since
> install (2 months ago). As I did not installed gnome metapackage but
> instead installed each packages manually, I may have missed an important
> package.
> 

Perhaps you could check gnome metapackage vs your gnome packages and see
what is missing? apt-get --simulate install gnome should provide you
with some clues, I guess.

Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust]

On 2017-05-27, David Wright  wrote:
>
> BTW I checked the error message I mentioned earlier. Feh itself
> emits the incorrect error message for PNG files, but the correct
> message is emitted by the spawned jpegtran program for JPGs.
>

Please file a wish-list bug for a name change to fey (forewarned being
forearmed).

Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell)

2017-05-27 Thread Anil Duggirala

Hello, I am looking at 2 new threads in my Inbox, which one are we going
to follow ??I pasted my new Xorg.log here https://paste.debian.net/945756
The situation has definitely improved,
In my previous post  (in the other thread) I used the word completely,
because I was missing the cp command. I checked to see if there was an
xorg.conf file there, there wasnt, so I went ahead and copied.thanks a lot 
guys, I appreciate it,

Re: Poor X performance with Intel 8086:22b1 (Braswell) (was: Oh no something has gone wrong! after...)

2017-05-27 Thread Anil Duggirala

> However, in https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00767.html he
> provided a pastebin (now expired) of Xorg.0.log that reported the
> modeset(0)
> driver in use.
> 
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2017/05/msg00781.html explained how
> he
> could try configuring use of the Intel driver. 

Hi. thanks, I have followed those instructions completely now and the
situation improved notably, scrolling my Inbox and in LibreOffice is
better. I also noticed that right after logging in, previously the
screen would show the black terminal screen (again) while loading the
desktop, now I see a prettier gray Gnome background at that time. 
I have also uninstalled Mate (uninstalled all packages with "mate"
string in them), it seemed to make things (graphics) worst, and also
choosing an item from Places in the top bar in Gnome Classic would open
Caja instead of Files, it also made the Applications menu notably
slower. Should I take any other steps at completely removing Mate??
I dont know if my graphics are perfect now, but at least I can work
nicely in my PC now. Isnt using the Intel driver usually a better option
than using another?? I really need to learn about this (modeset) things
to be able to figure out what driver I am using.
thanks a lot,

Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust]

On Sat 27 May 2017 at 12:32:06 (+0100), Brian wrote:
> On Fri 26 May 2017 at 17:57:40 -0500, Michael Milliman wrote:
> 
> > On 05/25/2017 05:56 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > > 
> > > If I had read the man page more slowly that using the menu to set the
> > > image as wallpaper was unnecessary. Use:
> > > feh --no-xinerama  --bg-fill
> > > /usr/share/backgrounds/mate/desktop/GreenTraditional.jpg
> > > 
> > > 
> > And actually, the --no-xinerama flag is not needed, at least on my
> > system.  I use feh --bg-fill ... and it works just fine.  Of course,
> > that is a very limited (and safe) usage of feh.  I don't think it wise
> > to use it for anything much more (IMHO).
> 
> Surprising after all these years that feh is now revealed as an unsafe
> image viewer.

Wow, I didn't realise I'd participated in a revelation.

I noticed the overwriting problem in September 2007, within days of
buying a digital camera that set the orientation flag. (Previously,
I'd been using a work cast-off which didn't set it.) I'd used xzgv
for some years as my image viewer but never had much luck with its
--exif-orient option, so I tried feh as an alternative because
it appeared to honour it.

Very soon after using feh, I noticed that the timestamps displayed
by mc on my camera picture directories were getting screwed up.
Of course, these picture files get backed up straight from the SD
card before I even look at them, so I was able to restore the
original pictures without any difficulty once I'd worked out
what to blame.

(However there are still probably a few downloaded images that are
not in their original state, because I have no practical way of
discovering which ones they are.)

Apologies for not bringing it up then. I didn't resubscribe
here for another 8 years and was only reminded about the problem
on seeing this thread. FWIW I use xsetbg (xloadimage) for my
desktops, but my laptops use the background colour as a
battery-state and, in extremis, CPU temperature indicator. So,
for example, if the power cord dislodges, the presently green
background will switch to yellow.

> I use it to look at an image prior to printing it from feh
> and see that as quick, reliable and convenient but not as unwise.

Understood. I didn't know whether you were a feh user, or had just
read the man page, when I made my mouse comment. In any case, such
single-use instances as proof-checking and wallpaper-setting may
well justify its use, but my comment about its misdescription
and dangers was intended for readers of this list who might use
it as a general-purpose viewer after installing it in the wake of
this thread.

BTW I checked the error message I mentioned earlier. Feh itself
emits the incorrect error message for PNG files, but the correct
message is emitted by the spawned jpegtran program for JPGs.

Cheers,
David.

Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

2017-05-27 Thread Frank


Op 27-05-17 om 14:33 schreef gwmf...@openmailbox.org:
Denmark does LC_NUMERIC wrong (using a comma where there should be a 
decimal point).

Really? When did Denmark start using a decimal point instead of a comma?

Regards,
Frank

Re: Missing update notification on Stretch Gnome

2017-05-27 Thread Yvan Masson

>Le 27/05/2017 à 15:27, Dejan Jocic a écrit :
>>> On 27-05-17, Yvan Masson wrote:
 Hi,

 As said "deloptes" in the previous "Update notifier" thread, there is by
 default a notification about pending updates on Stretch with Gnome.
 However, I never got any of those notifications.

 I have gnome-packagekit installed (which indeed has section "Povides:
 update-notifier").

 My source.list seems normal:
 deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib
 deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main non-free contrib
 deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
 contrib non-free

 software-properties-gtk is installed and seems configured normally.

 Any clue of what could be tho problem?

 Regards,
 Yvan

>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Open software and updates and check settings under updates tab?
>>> 

>> Done, here is what I have:
>>
>> Install updates from:
>>   security updates (stretch/updates)
>>   recommended updates (stretch-updates)
>> Automatically check for updates: daily
>> When there are security updates: display immediately
>> Whene there are other updates: 
>>

> Please, do not reply to me directly, I'm subscribed to the mailing
> list, you should send mail there.

Please apologize, I am used to other mail client where clicking on
"Reply" just rely to the list by default.

> As for those settings, only difference is that I have Download and
> install automatically in security updates, but that should not make
> any difference. There are no security updates for stretch anyway.
> Perhaps some settings under /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ are different, or I
> simply have some package installed that you are missing. Are you sure
> that you do not get any notifications at all? Those are located under
> clock and calendar with this version of Gnome. You can open them with
> Super+m combination of keys. Also, if you do update in terminal
> before those notifications get chance to show up, they will not be
> displayed. And once you do update, they are gone too.

The only special configuration I have in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d is a file
to avoid debconf prompts on update:
Dpkg::Options {
   "--force-confdef";
   "--force-confold";
}

Absolutely sure that I did not have any update notifications since
install (2 months ago). As I did not installed gnome metapackage but
instead installed each packages manually, I may have missed an important
package.



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Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-27, gwmf...@openmailbox.org  wrote:

> This definitely explains the problem (Thanks for contributing!), but I 
> don't think it's a real solution because changing the Gnome region like 
> described (although it does change LC_TIME) changes other variables (in 
> addition to LC_TIME) that make no sense for the United States (eg., 
> LC_NUMERIC, LC_MONETARY, LC_PAPER).
>
> Denmark does LC_NUMERIC wrong (using a comma where there should be a 
> decimal point). The United States does LC_TIME and LC_MEASUREMENT wrong.

Holy Jesus.

> I want to make everything proper and swapping to all en_DK variables 
> fixes some things but not others. The only proper solution is to:
>
> 1) be able to change individual variables within Gnome (which I don't 
> think is possible in current gnome)

> 2) create my own locale, which I do not know how to do. I've found two 
> guides (linked below) for doing it but neither of them worked for me (I 
> think the part about using localedef appears to not be working.)
>
> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/136920/set-custom-locales-in-gnome3-on-fedora-20
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/653008/how-to-create-a-new-system-locale
>

Define "appears to not be working." Anyhow, I believe someone here can
help you with this if only they'll pipe up (and you stop top-posting).

;-)

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

Le 27/05/2017 à 15:33, maderios a écrit :
> On 05/27/2017 02:41 PM, hamster wrote:
>> Le 27/05/2017 à 10:22, maderios a écrit :
>>> 1.2 Go ram et cpu à 70%,  ce n'est pas normal. Chez moi, avec F52,
>>> onze onglets ouverts, firefox consomme +- 510M.
>>> La cpu est entre 0% et 1% au repos.
>>
>> Oui, je peux aussi faire ca selon les pages ouvertes. Si c'est des pages
>> wikipedia ou des trucs simples dans le meme genre je peux en ouvrir
>> plusieurs dizaines sans problème. Le souci arrive uniquement avec
>> certaines pages, souvent des webmails compliqués.
>>
> Quelles pages?

Ca le fait avec yahoo, gmail, zimbra (le webmail de free). Ca le fait
aussi de temps en temps avec des pages au hazard du surf mais j'ai pas
noté lesquelles au fur et a mesure.

Ca n'est pas spécifique a mon ordinateur : c'est aussi le cas chez des
copains a qui j'ai installé linux. Bien sur, je leur ai installé la meme
chose que chez moi : meme version de debian, meme version de firefox et
memes extensions.

Il faudrait sans doute que je commence par désactiver les extensions une
a une pour voir si y'en a une qui fout la merde, mais si je désactive
ublock origin je ramasse plein de pubs qui chargent elles aussi le
processeur et la mémoire.

Re: Questions after doing update and upgrade on Stretch

On 27-05-17, Dejan Jocic wrote:
> On 26-05-17, Fungi4All wrote:
> > From: jode...@gmail.com
> > As for reason why old one is not removed, it is because Debian keeps not
> > just newly installed kernel, but also one previously installed. One
> > before that was removed by apt-get autoremove.
> > 
> > Unless different desktops have different autoremove behavior in my recent
> > experience kernels can only be removed manually. If you get a current
> > today's image of 8.8 and update/upgrade, then switch to testing and upd/upg,
> > then unstable and upd/upg and autoremove as many times as you like,
> > you will end up with 3 kernels as a choice to boot unstable from.
> > I think in the past it did not work this way.
> 
> Please, do not replay to me and cc it to the list, you mess things up.
> No need to cc me either, I'm subscribed to the list. Thank you in
> advance for that.
> 
> As for subject itself, no, it is not desktop related. For your specific
> case of upgrading from stable to unstable via testing, have no idea,
> never did it that way. 

Just to clarify it a bit, what happens with your old kernel packages
should be set with:

/etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal

which generates file:

/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents


On 05/27/2017 02:41 PM, hamster wrote:

Le 27/05/2017 à 10:22, maderios a écrit :

1.2 Go ram et cpu à 70%,  ce n'est pas normal. Chez moi, avec F52,
onze onglets ouverts, firefox consomme +- 510M.
La cpu est entre 0% et 1% au repos.


Oui, je peux aussi faire ca selon les pages ouvertes. Si c'est des pages
wikipedia ou des trucs simples dans le meme genre je peux en ouvrir
plusieurs dizaines sans problème. Le souci arrive uniquement avec
certaines pages, souvent des webmails compliqués.


Quelles pages?


--
Maderios

Re: Missing update notification on Stretch Gnome

On 27-05-17, Yvan Masson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As said "deloptes" in the previous "Update notifier" thread, there is by
> default a notification about pending updates on Stretch with Gnome.
> However, I never got any of those notifications.
> 
> I have gnome-packagekit installed (which indeed has section "Povides:
> update-notifier").
> 
> My source.list seems normal:
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib
> deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main non-free contrib
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
> contrib non-free
> 
> software-properties-gtk is installed and seems configured normally.
> 
> Any clue of what could be tho problem?
> 
> Regards,
> Yvan
> 



Open software and updates and check settings under updates tab?

Re: Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread Simó Albert i Beltran

Jo proposava pujar al Tagamanent...

Missing update notification on Stretch Gnome

2017-05-27 Thread Yvan Masson

Hi,

As said "deloptes" in the previous "Update notifier" thread, there is by
default a notification about pending updates on Stretch with Gnome.
However, I never got any of those notifications.

I have gnome-packagekit installed (which indeed has section "Povides:
update-notifier").

My source.list seems normal:
deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch main non-free contrib
deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ stretch/updates main
contrib non-free

software-properties-gtk is installed and seems configured normally.

Any clue of what could be tho problem?

Regards,
Yvan



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Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

Le 27/05/2017 à 13:52, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> Ou se trouve le dossier "préférences" ? je ne le vois pas dans mon
> /home : ".mozilla".

Ca c'est très curieux. C'est la qu'il devrait etre. Je pense que tu a
bien fait en sorte d'afficher les fichiers cachés… ?

Tu peux aussi aller dans about:config et chercher avec le mot clef
"default", si t'a de la chance tu verra apparaitre le chemin qui permet
d'acceder au dossier de profil (en général c'est le cas si t'a une
extension installée).

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

Le 27/05/2017 à 10:22, maderios a écrit :
> 1.2 Go ram et cpu à 70%,  ce n'est pas normal. Chez moi, avec F52,
> onze onglets ouverts, firefox consomme +- 510M.
> La cpu est entre 0% et 1% au repos.

Oui, je peux aussi faire ca selon les pages ouvertes. Si c'est des pages
wikipedia ou des trucs simples dans le meme genre je peux en ouvrir
plusieurs dizaines sans problème. Le souci arrive uniquement avec
certaines pages, souvent des webmails compliqués.

Re: Licences FOSS


Le 27/05/2017 à 13:20, Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :


Le 27 mai 2017 13:06:27 GMT+02:00, "Sébastien Dinot" 
 a écrit :


Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :

En quoi les licences GNU GPL ne respectent pas le droit français ?
Pouvez vous donner des détails, car cela m'intéresse.


Je n'ai pas révisé mes classiques mais de tête et stricto sensus, elles
ne sont pas conformes sur au moins trois points :

* Elles ne précisent aucune durée de validité.

* Elles ne sont pas exhaustives sur la liste des droits concédés.

* Du fait de la loi Toubon, dans certains contextes, l'absence de
   version officielle en français est un point bloquant.

Ceci étant, en droit français, l'invalidité d'une clause invalide cette
clause et non l'intégralité du contrat. En outre, plusieurs affaires
(AFPA / Edu4, auteurs de Busybox / Free) ont montré que la licence GNU
GPL était de nos jours opposable devant un tribunal français.


En totalité ou juste des morceaux, et lequels ?



Pour ma part, l'existence de licences libres « locales » (CeCILL, EUPL)
me semble dommageable car elles augmentent l'entropie juridique et
rendent l'interprétation du statut d'un logiciel bien plus complexe au
niveau international. Dans mon domaine professionnel, les licences
CeCILL et EUPL n'apparaissent d'ailleurs que rarement dans les listes de
licences considérées comme libres. Cela ne signifie pas que les licences
CeCILL et EUPL ne le sont pas mais que les industriels et des agences
gouvernementales ne veulent pas s'embêter avec des licences exotiques
qu'ils ne connaissent pas.


... et donc ils prennent des licences qui ne protègent pas les 
contractant et on des effets imprévisibles ? On ne peut pas aller 
davantage contre ses propres intérêts. Pour avoir un statut juridique 
clair autant placer l’œuvre sous plusieurs licences à appliquer en 
fonction du régime des contractants.


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Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

This definitely explains the problem (Thanks for contributing!), but I 
don't think it's a real solution because changing the Gnome region like 
described (although it does change LC_TIME) changes other variables (in 
addition to LC_TIME) that make no sense for the United States (eg., 
LC_NUMERIC, LC_MONETARY, LC_PAPER).


Denmark does LC_NUMERIC wrong (using a comma where there should be a 
decimal point). The United States does LC_TIME and LC_MEASUREMENT wrong.


I want to make everything proper and swapping to all en_DK variables 
fixes some things but not others. The only proper solution is to:


1) be able to change individual variables within Gnome (which I don't 
think is possible in current gnome)
2) create my own locale, which I do not know how to do. I've found two 
guides (linked below) for doing it but neither of them worked for me (I 
think the part about using localedef appears to not be working.)


https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/136920/set-custom-locales-in-gnome3-on-fedora-20
https://askubuntu.com/questions/653008/how-to-create-a-new-system-locale


On 2017-05-27 06:10, Curt wrote:

On 2017-05-26, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:57:22PM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org 
wrote:
A virtual console (eg, Ctrl+Alt+F2) produces the correct result when 
I

type ncal.

But if I type ncal in gnome-terminal, it starts the weeks with Sunday
(which is wrong). GNOME problem, right? That's why 
/etc/default/locale

isn't working how I expected?


Yes, sounds like it.



This might be helpful to the OP.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-December/455809.html

Re: Licences FOSS

Stéphane Aulery a écrit :
> Si en tant que français on emploie une licence anglo-saxon elle sera
> reconnue à l’étranger dans les pays qui ont ce type de droit mais
> entre français elle sera nulle et le droit général s’appliquera ce qui
> peut déclencher une série d’ennuis judiciaires.

Ce n'est pas si simple que cela. Autant que je me souvienne, la loi
Toubon n'impose l'usage du français que dans les contrats à destination
des particuliers et des personnes morales de droit public. Deux
personnes morales de droit privé (des industriels) peuvent bien
contractualiser en anglais si cela leur chante.

Je viens de faire une rapide recherche sur le net, on trouve pas mal
d'articles à ce sujet. En voici un pas trop vieux (car les premiers
commentaires qui ont suivi la publication de la loi en 1994 avaient une
interprétation du texte bien plus stricte que l'usage qu'on constate
aujourd'hui) :

http://www.efl.fr/actualites/affaires/themes-divers/details.html?ref=ui-6d573e69-3cbc-4960-af3f-02c29c95babb

Sébastien

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Re: Licences FOSS


Bonjour,

Le 27/05/2017 à 12:24, Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :


En quoi les licences GNU GPL ne respectent pas le droit français ? 
Pouvez vous donner des détails, car cela m'intéresse.


Lisez la doc qui est sur http://www.cecill.info/ c’est en bonne partie 
expliqué. Aucune licence ne peut être rédigée en faisant abstraction du 
cadre légal car les contrats sont partout réglementés par le droit 
national ou international. La GPL est écrire pour le droit anglo-saxon 
du copyright qui n’a rien à voir le droit français. Si je résume de tête :


- la licence doit être écrite en français pour avoir une valeur légale ;
- on ne peut renoncer à sa propriété intellectuelle et placer une œuvre 
dans le domaine public ;
- on ne peut pas se dégager de certaines responsabilités liées à la 
publications de l’œuvre et à ses effets mais quand cela est possible il 
faut le formuler en suivant le droit français et pas comme si on était 
dépendant d’une autre législation, ce qui est le cas pour les GPL/BSD...


Il doit y en avoir d’autres mais je ne m’en rappelle plus.

Si en tant que français on emploie une licence anglo-saxon elle sera 
reconnue à l’étranger dans les pays qui ont ce type de droit mais entre 
français elle sera nulle et le droit général s’appliquera ce qui peut 
déclencher une série d’ennuis judiciaires.


Les licences CeCill ont la particularité d’avoir étaient écrites pour 
être compatibles avec les deux paradigmes du droit d’auteurs en vigueur 
(anglo-saxon / européen) et pas d’être fixées sur un seul comme la GPL.


(Je suppose que Jean-Marc veux d’abord travailler avec des clients 
français, donc attention à ne pas faire n’importe quoi avec le droit.)


Cordialement,

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Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents

2017-05-27 Thread andre_debian

> Le 26/05/2017 à 20:01, andre_deb...@numericable.fr a écrit :
> Au début, tout va bien et systématiquement 
> au bout de quelques semaines, le navigateur
> se ferme d'un coup à son premier lancement,
> m'invitant avant à envoyer un rapport de bug,
> ce que je fais mais aucune réponse, ni amélioration ensuite.
> Seule solution, télécharger Firefox, le réinstaller

On Friday 26 May 2017 23:24:28 hamster wrote:
> La je comprend pas. Comment tu fais pour installer firefox ? Tu fais pas
> ca avec apt ou un équivalent graphique genre synaptic ? Commence donc
> par essayer d'installer sur debian la version de debian et non pas la
> version du site de mozilla.

On Saturday 27 May 2017 00:26:09 maderios wrote:
> Comme trop souvent sur cette liste, aucune précision sur la version des 
> programmes incriminés, la distribution et le matériel... :(
> J'utilise les Firefox officiels de Stretch (esr) et Sid (52.0.2), je ne 
> rencontre aucun problème sur un portable équipé d'un cpu i5. Je préfère 
> nettement la version 52.0.2: plus de sécurité.

On Saturday 27 May 2017 08:24:17 Thierry wrote:
> Pour ma part je n'ai jamais eu de tel souci. La prochaine fois 
> que ça arrive essayez de supprimer le dossier de préférences 
> sans réinstaller le navigateur. Je dirais à première vue que 
> c'est quelque-chose dans les préférences qui pose problème.   

Je suis sous Jessie 32 bits.
Ce défaut chez moi perdure quelquesoit la version de Debian.

Que ce soit Iceweasel (venant de Debian, apt-get),
version 45.9.0 ESR,
ou le dernier Firefox officiel 53.0.3 (32 bits) téléchargé depuis son site,
je subis le clash décrit en haut.

Ou se trouve le dossier "préférences" ?
je ne le vois pas dans mon /home : ".mozilla".

Merci, bon week-end,

André

Re: l'équipe Debian a fixé la date de publication de Stretch !

2017-05-27 Thread Vincent Besse

On Fri, 26 May 2017 23:52:24 +0200
Jean-Marc  wrote:

> C'est officiel !
> Et ce sera le 17 juin prochain !

Tiens...je croyais que stable était publiée "quand elle était prête" et
pas "à date fixée". C' est dommage si elle est prête avant et c' est
dommage aussi s' il manque juste 2 ou 3 jours pour qu' elle le soit...

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Re: Licences FOSS

Merci,

Ça me donne quelques pistes pour me documenter. 



Le 27 mai 2017 13:06:27 GMT+02:00, "Sébastien Dinot"  
a écrit :
>Bonjour,
>
>Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :
>> En quoi les licences GNU GPL ne respectent pas le droit français ?
>> Pouvez vous donner des détails, car cela m'intéresse.
>
>Je n'ai pas révisé mes classiques mais de tête et stricto sensus, elles
>ne sont pas conformes sur au moins trois points :
>
>* Elles ne précisent aucune durée de validité.
>
>* Elles ne sont pas exhaustives sur la liste des droits concédés.
>
>* Du fait de la loi Toubon, dans certains contextes, l'absence de
>  version officielle en français est un point bloquant.
>
>Ceci étant, en droit français, l'invalidité d'une clause invalide cette
>clause et non l'intégralité du contrat. En outre, plusieurs affaires
>(AFPA / Edu4, auteurs de Busybox / Free) ont montré que la licence GNU
>GPL était de nos jours opposable devant un tribunal français.
>
>Pour ma part, l'existence de licences libres « locales » (CeCILL, EUPL)
>me semble dommageable car elles augmentent l'entropie juridique et
>rendent l'interprétation du statut d'un logiciel bien plus complexe au
>niveau international. Dans mon domaine professionnel, les licences
>CeCILL et EUPL n'apparaissent d'ailleurs que rarement dans les listes
>de
>licences considérées comme libres. Cela ne signifie pas que les
>licences
>CeCILL et EUPL ne le sont pas mais que les industriels et des agences
>gouvernementales ne veulent pas s'embêter avec des licences exotiques
>qu'ils ne connaissent pas. Pour tenter de remédier à ce rejet, il
>y a quelques temps, l'INRIA a repris les échanges avec l'OSI pour qu'il
>reconnaisse la licence CeCILL comme conforme à l'OSD. Ces échanges ont
>conduit à des aménagements mineurs de la licence CeCILL qui a été
>publiée en version 2.1 :
>
>http://www.cecill.info/licences.fr.html
>
>C'est cette version 2.1 de la licence CeCILL qui est désormais reconnue
>comme conforme à l'OSD :
>
>https://opensource.org/licenses/CECILL-2.1
>
>Sébastien
>
>-- 
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Re: Error on install: Repository "couldn't be accessed"

2017-05-27 Thread RavenLX


On 05/26/2017 04:02 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 07:36:08AM -0400, RavenLX wrote:

On 05/23/2017 10:07 AM, Robert Hardy (r.hardy) wrote:

Err http://deb.debian.org jessie-updates/main Translation-en


In my setup it's:

http://deb.debian.org jessie/updates main contrib non-free

Note that it's jessie/updates not jessie-updates. Replace the hyphen with a
dash in your sources.list and update again. See if that works?


Why would it be jessie/updates? Looking at deb.debian.org/debian/dists
with a web browser, there is no updates/ folder under jessie/ but there
is a jessie-updates/ folder...


You're right. My bad. I was reading security.debian.org line and not 
paying attention. Sorry about that. Mr. Hardy has the correct URL.


Another thing he can try is to move the affected lists from:

/var/lib/apt/lists
/var/lib/apt/lists/partial

Do another apt-get update and see if that helps. If not, you can always 
put the lists back, if you need to. Generally doing apt-get update after 
moving the lists out of those directories will refresh those lists.


That works for bad checksums when checking for updates, but not sure if 
that will help in Mr. Hardy's situation. Worth a try, maybe?

Re: Clairification - was [Re: Desktop Background Bites the Dust]

2017-05-27 Thread Brian

On Fri 26 May 2017 at 17:57:40 -0500, Michael Milliman wrote:

> On 05/25/2017 05:56 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:
> > 
> > If I had read the man page more slowly that using the menu to set the
> > image as wallpaper was unnecessary. Use:
> > feh --no-xinerama  --bg-fill
> > /usr/share/backgrounds/mate/desktop/GreenTraditional.jpg
> > 
> > 
> And actually, the --no-xinerama flag is not needed, at least on my
> system.  I use feh --bg-fill ... and it works just fine.  Of course,
> that is a very limited (and safe) usage of feh.  I don't think it wise
> to use it for anything much more (IMHO).

Surprising after all these years that feh is now revealed as an unsafe
image viewer. I use it to look at an image prior to printing it from feh
and see that as quick, reliable and convenient but not as unwise.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Seeing this, is it something I have done or?

2017-05-27 Thread Charlie S

On Sat, 27 May 2017 12:06:09 +0100 Brad Rogers sent:

> >I can't recall going there, but must have done so without watching
> >and as you have correctly stated, turned on "collapse quotes".  
> 
> Default keyboard shortcut for Collapse Quotes is Q.  If
> you ever quit CM with Q, it's not too difficult to imagine
> accidentally hitting  at the same time, causing the result you
> saw.

After contemplation, my reply is:

Brad that's how I quit the programs that obey that shortcut:
Ctrl + Q.

More knowledge. Thank you.

Charlie

Re: Seeing this, is it something I have done or?

2017-05-27 Thread Brad Rogers

On Sat, 27 May 2017 16:58:55 +1000
Charlie S  wrote:

Hello Charlie,

>I can't recall going there, but must have done so without watching and
>as you have correctly stated, turned on "collapse quotes".

Default keyboard shortcut for Collapse Quotes is Q.  If you
ever quit CM with Q, it's not too difficult to imagine accidentally
hitting  at the same time, causing the result you saw.

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Re: Licences FOSS

Bonjour,

Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :
> En quoi les licences GNU GPL ne respectent pas le droit français ?
> Pouvez vous donner des détails, car cela m'intéresse.

Je n'ai pas révisé mes classiques mais de tête et stricto sensus, elles
ne sont pas conformes sur au moins trois points :

* Elles ne précisent aucune durée de validité.

* Elles ne sont pas exhaustives sur la liste des droits concédés.

* Du fait de la loi Toubon, dans certains contextes, l'absence de
  version officielle en français est un point bloquant.

Ceci étant, en droit français, l'invalidité d'une clause invalide cette
clause et non l'intégralité du contrat. En outre, plusieurs affaires
(AFPA / Edu4, auteurs de Busybox / Free) ont montré que la licence GNU
GPL était de nos jours opposable devant un tribunal français.

Pour ma part, l'existence de licences libres « locales » (CeCILL, EUPL)
me semble dommageable car elles augmentent l'entropie juridique et
rendent l'interprétation du statut d'un logiciel bien plus complexe au
niveau international. Dans mon domaine professionnel, les licences
CeCILL et EUPL n'apparaissent d'ailleurs que rarement dans les listes de
licences considérées comme libres. Cela ne signifie pas que les licences
CeCILL et EUPL ne le sont pas mais que les industriels et des agences
gouvernementales ne veulent pas s'embêter avec des licences exotiques
qu'ils ne connaissent pas. Pour tenter de remédier à ce rejet, il
y a quelques temps, l'INRIA a repris les échanges avec l'OSI pour qu'il
reconnaisse la licence CeCILL comme conforme à l'OSD. Ces échanges ont
conduit à des aménagements mineurs de la licence CeCILL qui a été
publiée en version 2.1 :

http://www.cecill.info/licences.fr.html

C'est cette version 2.1 de la licence CeCILL qui est désormais reconnue
comme conforme à l'OSD :

https://opensource.org/licenses/CECILL-2.1

Sébastien

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Stretch en tres setmanes

2017-05-27 Thread alex


Hola,

sembla que tindrem nova Debian stable en tres setmanes

  https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg2.html

Algú s'anima a muntar una "Stretch party" ?

  https://wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyStretch

Salutacions


Àlex

Re: Licences FOSS

Bonjour

En quoi les licences GNU GPL ne respectent pas le droit français ? Pouvez vous 
donner des détails, car cela m'intéresse.



Le 27 mai 2017 12:19:50 GMT+02:00, "Stéphane Aulery"  a écrit :
>Bonjour,
>
>Le 27/05/2017 à 11:43, Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :
>> 
>> Je pense que la licence GNU GPLv2 ou v3 pourrait faire l'affaire.
>Donc 
>> vous me paraissez sur la bonne piste.
>Elles ne respectent pas le droit français. Dans ce cas préférez les 
>licences CeCill : http://www.cecill.info/
>
>> 
>> Le 27 mai 2017 10:15:47 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc  a
>écrit :
>> 
>> Sat, 27 May 2017 10:04:38 +0200
>> Jean-Marc  écrivait :
>> 
>> salut la liste,
>> 
>> Je travaille depuis peu dans le conseil informatique.
>> Je vais livrer un preseed.cfg à un client.
>> J'aimerai y inclure les termes d'une licence libre.
>> Des conseils sur la licence FOSS la plus appropriée ?
>> Je ne veux pas qu'on puisse revendre ou réutiliser cette
>config'
>> à des fins commerciales.
>
>Si c’est vraiment pour empêcher la revente ou l’utilisation commerciale
>
>tournez-vous vers les licences Creative Commons :
>
>https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence_Creative_Commons#Vue_g.C3.A9n.C3.A9rale
>
>en particulier : la CC-BY-NC-ND.
>
>Cordialement,
>
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Re: Licences FOSS


Sébastien Dinot a écrit :
> Dans ce cas, il faut oublier les termes « libre » et « FOSS ». Restreindre les
> conditions d'utilisation (par exemple, interdire l'utilisation de l'œuvre dans
> un contexte commercial ou à des fins militaires) est contraire aux licences
> libres et aux licences commerciales.

Oups, je voulais écrire « aux licences libres et/ou open source »

Sébastien, fatigué !


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Re: Licences FOSS

2017-05-27 Thread Basile Starynkevitch




On 05/27/2017 11:43 AM, Thierry Bugier Pineau wrote:


Je pense que la licence GNU GPLv2 ou v3 pourrait faire l'affaire. Donc 
vous me paraissez sur la bonne piste.




Ou peut-être les licences CECILL, 
http://www.cecill.info/licences.fr.html qui seraient des adaptations au 
droit français de la GPL



Le 27 mai 2017 10:15:47 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc  a écrit :

Sat, 27 May 2017 10:04:38 +0200
Jean-Marc  écrivait :

salut la liste, Je travaille depuis peu dans le conseil
informatique. Je vais livrer un preseed.cfg à un client.
J'aimerai y inclure les termes d'une licence libre. Des
conseils sur la licence FOSS la plus appropriée ? Je ne veux
pas qu'on puisse revendre ou réutiliser cette config' à des
fins commerciales. 



Pour infos, je suis en train de parcourir les recos du sitegnu.org 
  :
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html#software

Bonne journée. Jean-Marc 



Cordialement

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Re: Licences FOSS

Bonjour,

Jean-Marc a écrit :
> Je travaille depuis peu dans le conseil informatique.
> Je vais livrer un preseed.cfg à un client.
> J'aimerai y inclure les termes d'une licence libre.
> Des conseils sur la licence FOSS la plus appropriée ?
> Je ne veux pas qu'on puisse revendre ou réutiliser cette config' à des fins
> commerciales.

Dans ce cas, il faut oublier les termes « libre » et « FOSS ». Restreindre les
conditions d'utilisation (par exemple, interdire l'utilisation de l'œuvre dans
un contexte commercial ou à des fins militaires) est contraire aux licences
libres et aux licences commerciales.

Sébastien


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Re: Licences FOSS


Bonjour,

Le 27/05/2017 à 11:43, Thierry Bugier Pineau a écrit :


Je pense que la licence GNU GPLv2 ou v3 pourrait faire l'affaire. Donc 
vous me paraissez sur la bonne piste.
Elles ne respectent pas le droit français. Dans ce cas préférez les 
licences CeCill : http://www.cecill.info/




Le 27 mai 2017 10:15:47 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc  a écrit :

Sat, 27 May 2017 10:04:38 +0200
Jean-Marc  écrivait :

salut la liste,

Je travaille depuis peu dans le conseil informatique.
Je vais livrer un preseed.cfg à un client.
J'aimerai y inclure les termes d'une licence libre.
Des conseils sur la licence FOSS la plus appropriée ?
Je ne veux pas qu'on puisse revendre ou réutiliser cette config'
à des fins commerciales.


Si c’est vraiment pour empêcher la revente ou l’utilisation commerciale 
tournez-vous vers les licences Creative Commons :


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licence_Creative_Commons#Vue_g.C3.A9n.C3.A9rale

en particulier : la CC-BY-NC-ND.

Cordialement,

--
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Re: How to set ISO date/time with en_US.utf8 as system default?

On 2017-05-26, Greg Wooledge  wrote:
> On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 12:57:22PM -0400, gwmf...@openmailbox.org wrote:
>> A virtual console (eg, Ctrl+Alt+F2) produces the correct result when I 
>> type ncal.
>> 
>> But if I type ncal in gnome-terminal, it starts the weeks with Sunday 
>> (which is wrong). GNOME problem, right? That's why /etc/default/locale 
>> isn't working how I expected?
>
> Yes, sounds like it.
>

This might be helpful to the OP.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-December/455809.html


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Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents


Le 27/05/2017 à 10:22, maderios a écrit :

On 05/27/2017 12:41 AM, hamster wrote:

Le 27/05/2017 à 00:26, maderios a écrit :

On 05/26/2017 11:50 PM, hamster wrote:

Le 26/05/2017 à 23:39, list a écrit :

Hello.

Solution :

Ne plus utiliser Firefox, qui n'est plus ce qu'il avait promis d'être.


OK, moi aussi j'ai des soucis avec firefox en ce moment : trop lourd,
trop lent en particulier pour se lancer, consomme facilement enormément
de ressources (processeur et RAM) des qu'on ouvre des pages un peu
compliquées genre un webmail.

Mais par quoi le remplacer ?


Salut
Comme trop souvent sur cette liste, aucune précision sur la version
des programmes incriminés, la distribution et le matériel... :(
J'utilise les Firefox officiels de Stretch (esr) et Sid (52.0.2), je
ne rencontre aucun problème sur un portable équipé d'un cpu i5. Je
préfère nettement la version 52.0.2: plus de sécurité.


Pour ma part c'est jessie avec la version de firefox qui est venue avec
: 45.9.0


Par ailleurs, beaucoup d'environnements de bureau, dont kde, gnome et
xfce, consomment plus de ressources que les programmes eux-mêmes...


J'utilise mate.

Quand je dis que firefox consomme beaucoup, ca ressemble a ca :
RAM 1,2 G, ca descend a 300 ou 400 M quand on ferme firefox
CPU 70 a 90 % en permanence, ca descend a 10 % quand on ferme firefox
tout ca avec juste un webmail moderne genre gmail dans un onglet, et on
ne touche a rien.
1.2 Go ram et cpu à 70%,  ce n'est pas normal. Chez moi, avec F52, onze 
onglets ouverts, firefox consomme +- 510M.

La cpu est entre 0% et 1% au repos.
Tes greffons sont peut-être en cause. Tu devrais tester avec F52 dispo 
dans sid.


Je confirme, c’est 350 Mo à l’ouverture. Il y a eu une phase de 
consommation croissante de mémoire avec Firefox. Je trouve que ça 
s’améliore avec les nouvelles versions plus ou moins >= 50. Faut dire 
qu’il a eu beaucoup de changement à avaler avec HTML5 et l’évolution 
rapide du JS. Donc il faut être bienveillant et ne pas croire qu’ils ne 
voient pas ou ne se préoccupent pas du problème.


J’utilise LXDE / Xfce en bureau et ça permet de compenser la petite 
mémoire de ma machine.


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Re: l'équipe Debian a fixé la date de publication de Stretch !


On 05/26/2017 11:52 PM, Jean-Marc wrote:

C'est officiel !
Et ce sera le 17 juin prochain !
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg2.html


Formidable, Buster et Sid vont enfin pouvoir sortir du congélateur... :)
https://wiki.debian.org/fr/DebianReleases
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases

Maderios

Re: Licences FOSS

Bonjour

Je pense que la licence GNU GPLv2 ou v3 pourrait faire l'affaire. Donc vous me 
paraissez sur la bonne piste.

Le 27 mai 2017 10:15:47 GMT+02:00, Jean-Marc  a écrit :
>Sat, 27 May 2017 10:04:38 +0200
>Jean-Marc  écrivait :
>
>> salut la liste,
>> 
>> Je travaille depuis peu dans le conseil informatique.
>> Je vais livrer un preseed.cfg à un client.
>> J'aimerai y inclure les termes d'une licence libre.
>> Des conseils sur la licence FOSS la plus appropriée ?
>> Je ne veux pas qu'on puisse revendre ou réutiliser cette config' à
>des fins commerciales.
>
>Pour infos, je suis en train de parcourir les recos du site gnu.org :
>https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html#software
>
>> 
>> Bonne journée.
>> 
>> Jean-Marc 
>
>
>Jean-Marc 

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Re: Questions after doing update and upgrade on Stretch

On 26-05-17, Fungi4All wrote:
> From: jode...@gmail.com
> As for reason why old one is not removed, it is because Debian keeps not
> just newly installed kernel, but also one previously installed. One
> before that was removed by apt-get autoremove.
> 
> Unless different desktops have different autoremove behavior in my recent
> experience kernels can only be removed manually. If you get a current
> today's image of 8.8 and update/upgrade, then switch to testing and upd/upg,
> then unstable and upd/upg and autoremove as many times as you like,
> you will end up with 3 kernels as a choice to boot unstable from.
> I think in the past it did not work this way.

Please, do not replay to me and cc it to the list, you mess things up.
No need to cc me either, I'm subscribed to the list. Thank you in
advance for that.

As for subject itself, no, it is not desktop related. For your specific
case of upgrading from stable to unstable via testing, have no idea,
never did it that way.

Re: Seeing this, is it something I have done or?

2017-05-27 Thread Jeremy Nicoll

On Sat, 27 May 2017, at 03:54, Joe Ennis wrote:

> I went into my clawsrc and set:
> 
>   hide-quoted=0
> &
>   hide-quotes=0
> 
> fixed it for me.

There's a bug in claws, though, where this collapsing feature can also
collapse
some of the content of attachments.  See what's written in this bug
report, but
beware that the discussion at the start is about something else (or at
least about
behaviour that seemed to be something else):

http://www.thewildbeast.co.uk/claws-mail/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3824

-- 
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Licences FOSS

2017-05-27 Thread Jean-Marc

salut la liste,

Je travaille depuis peu dans le conseil informatique.
Je vais livrer un preseed.cfg à un client.
J'aimerai y inclure les termes d'une licence libre.
Des conseils sur la licence FOSS la plus appropriée ?
Je ne veux pas qu'on puisse revendre ou réutiliser cette config' à des fins 
commerciales.

Bonne journée.

Jean-Marc 


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Re: Licences FOSS

2017-05-27 Thread Jean-Marc

Sat, 27 May 2017 10:04:38 +0200
Jean-Marc  écrivait :

> salut la liste,
> 
> Je travaille depuis peu dans le conseil informatique.
> Je vais livrer un preseed.cfg à un client.
> J'aimerai y inclure les termes d'une licence libre.
> Des conseils sur la licence FOSS la plus appropriée ?
> Je ne veux pas qu'on puisse revendre ou réutiliser cette config' à des fins 
> commerciales.

Pour infos, je suis en train de parcourir les recos du site gnu.org :
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.html#software

> 
> Bonne journée.
> 
> Jean-Marc 


Jean-Marc 


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Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents


On 05/27/2017 12:41 AM, hamster wrote:

Le 27/05/2017 à 00:26, maderios a écrit :

On 05/26/2017 11:50 PM, hamster wrote:

Le 26/05/2017 à 23:39, list a écrit :

Hello.

Solution :

Ne plus utiliser Firefox, qui n'est plus ce qu'il avait promis d'être.


OK, moi aussi j'ai des soucis avec firefox en ce moment : trop lourd,
trop lent en particulier pour se lancer, consomme facilement enormément
de ressources (processeur et RAM) des qu'on ouvre des pages un peu
compliquées genre un webmail.

Mais par quoi le remplacer ?


Salut
Comme trop souvent sur cette liste, aucune précision sur la version
des programmes incriminés, la distribution et le matériel... :(
J'utilise les Firefox officiels de Stretch (esr) et Sid (52.0.2), je
ne rencontre aucun problème sur un portable équipé d'un cpu i5. Je
préfère nettement la version 52.0.2: plus de sécurité.


Pour ma part c'est jessie avec la version de firefox qui est venue avec
: 45.9.0


Par ailleurs, beaucoup d'environnements de bureau, dont kde, gnome et
xfce, consomment plus de ressources que les programmes eux-mêmes...


J'utilise mate.

Quand je dis que firefox consomme beaucoup, ca ressemble a ca :
RAM 1,2 G, ca descend a 300 ou 400 M quand on ferme firefox
CPU 70 a 90 % en permanence, ca descend a 10 % quand on ferme firefox
tout ca avec juste un webmail moderne genre gmail dans un onglet, et on
ne touche a rien.
1.2 Go ram et cpu à 70%,  ce n'est pas normal. Chez moi, avec F52, onze 
onglets ouverts, firefox consomme +- 510M.

La cpu est entre 0% et 1% au repos.
Tes greffons sont peut-être en cause. Tu devrais tester avec F52 dispo 
dans sid.


--
Maderios

Re: Error on install: Repository "couldn't be accessed"

2017-05-27 Thread Pascal Hambourg


Le 26/05/2017 à 10:14, Darac Marjal a écrit :


the ftp://*.debian.org service on those servers is being shut down.


I wonder how Debian is going to order the operators of these mirrors to 
shut down the FTP service on their servers. Some of these servers mirror 
other archives than Debian.

Re: Seeing this, is it something I have done or?

2017-05-27 Thread Charlie S

On Fri, 26 May 2017 19:54:31 -0700 Joe Ennis sent:

> On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:27:46 -0500
> Michael Milliman  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On 05/26/2017 08:22 PM, Charlie S wrote:  
> > > On Fri, 26 May 2017 20:09:41 -0500 Michael Milliman sent:
> > >   
> > >> On 05/26/2017 08:00 PM, Charlie S wrote:
> > >>  [...]  
> > >> This is interesting.  The post that you are quoting is one of
> > >> mine. On my system, the [...] do not appear.  I do show some
> > >> excerpting earlier in the email, but I'm not sure where the
> > >> excerpting is occuring, whether your claws-mail is doing or it
> > >> is being introduced somewhere else, I couldn't say.
> > >>  [...]
> > > 
> > > 
> > >   After contemplation, my reply is:
> > > 
> > > Thank you for your reply.
> > > 
> > > Yes I just used that bit of a quote as an example. I can see this
> > > in all my folders, so it's a claw-mail thing obviously, not
> > > Debian-User list.
> > > 
> > > I'll have to see what is doing it in claws mail.
> > >   
> > Cool...I certainly don't mind you quoting my email, especially if it
> > illustrates a potential problem somewhere.  It is also perhaps
> > possible that the excerpting that I do see is being caused by
> > Thunderbird (my email client of choice).  I had never even thought
> > about it.  Perhaps some contemplation on my part is in order :)  
> > > Charlie
> > >   
> >   
> 
> I went into my clawsrc and set:
> 
>   hide-quoted=0
> &
>   hide-quotes=0
> 
> fixed it for me.

Thanks Joe,

See Brad's reply. That's what I must have accidentally clicked on when
I was wanting to see all headers in a couple of emails?

Thanks again.
Charlie


After contemplation, my reply is:

Re: Firefox : défaut inhérents