Re : TV Linux.

2020-10-19 Thread nicolas . patrois
Le 19/10/2020 21:32:05, qbtdbm a écrit : > Bonjour, > Je me permet ce message même si cela ne concerne pas directement > Debian mais Linux. > En passant chez Boulanger, j'ai vu des TV fonctionnant sous Linux et > pas sous Android… > Je n'ai pas trouvé plus d'informations mais je continue de

Re : [HS] TV Linux.

2020-10-19 Thread k6dedijon
Bonjour, En passant chez Boulanger tu aurais dû demander comment fonctionnait leur service après-vente. Il faut payer un forfait pour le diagnostic pour espérer avoir un devis. Faire travailler des exploiteurs et des esclavagiste ne m'a jamais paru éthique. Cassis - Mail d'origine -

Re : Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread k6dedijon
Bonjour, Dans le menu Firefox Marque-pages -> Afficher tous les marque-pages -> importation et sauvegarde, il y a le choix pour sauvegarder ou importer les marque-pages. La commande exporter vous créera un fichier bookmark.json que vous pourrez sauvegarder où vous voulez. Je rajoute la date de

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread David
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 14:11, David Christensen wrote: > On 2020-10-19 04:55, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 03:01:13PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > >> I try to use all lower case letters for variable names and all upper case > >> letters for constants. > > ALL_UPPER_CASE

Re: define (or translate, or substitute for) "interpolate": Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread David Christensen
On Saturday, October 17, 2020 06:01:13 PM David Christensen wrote: I don't use Bourne arrays, and I barely understand how the shell interpolates lists and preserves items containing whitespace. When I can't figure it out, I switch to Perl. On 2020-10-19 05:29, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: I'm

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-10-19 04:55, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 03:01:13PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: I try to use all lower case letters for variable names and all upper case letters for constants. ALL_UPPER_CASE is reserved for internal shell variables, and environment variables.

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread David Christensen
On 2020-10-19 14:12, Tixy wrote: On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 15:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/105 NOOO ;-) Excuse me while I go grep 'set -e' -R ... 2020-10-19 20:01:44 dpchrist@tinkywinky ~ $ cat /etc/debian_version ; uname -a 9.13 Linux

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread John Crawley
On 20/10/2020 04:57, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: From: Bob McGowan Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 18:18:18 -0700 As for exiting, so long as Zoom considers it a normal exit, it will give an exit status of zero and you will simply see the next prompt. That is as expected. At least one earlier reply had

Re: kernel security upgrade - "rebase?"

2020-10-19 Thread Bob Bernstein
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, The Wanderer wrote: Actually, "rebase" isn't a Debian term at all; it's a git term. Ah, thus explaining why I found said term vaguely unpleasant. To install that package and let the upgrade go forward, you have a few options. The simplest, and the one I go with

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread peter
From: Stefan Monnier Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:16:01 -0400 > I use and recommend Jitsi as a Free Software alternative. 1-1 connection or multi-party conference? Thanks, ... P. -- Tel: +1 604 670 0140Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

Re: kernel security upgrade - "rebase?"

2020-10-19 Thread David
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 11:22, The Wanderer wrote: > On 2020-10-19 at 20:01, Bob Bernstein wrote: > > I have noticed for several weeks that when I run "apt-get > > upgrade" my kernel gets held back: > If you run 'apt-cache show linux-image-amd64', I suspect that you will > see that the previous

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread peter
From: Stefan Monnier Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:16:01 -0400 > I use and recommend Jitsi as a Free Software alternative. 1-1 connection or multi-party conference? Thanks, ... P. -- Tel: +1 604 670 0140Bcc: peter at easthope. ca

Re: kernel security upgrade - "rebase?"

2020-10-19 Thread The Wanderer
On 2020-10-19 at 20:01, Bob Bernstein wrote: > I am trying to meet the challenge of the security upgrade -- > [SECURITY] [DSA 4774-1] linux security update -- that > was issued today. > > This is an AMD Buster system: > > Linux debian.localdomain 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian >

kernel security upgrade - "rebase?"

2020-10-19 Thread Bob Bernstein
I am trying to meet the challenge of the security upgrade -- [SECURITY] [DSA 4774-1] linux security update -- that was issued today. This is an AMD Buster system: Linux debian.localdomain 4.19.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.98-1+deb10u1 (2020-04-27) x86_64 GNU/Linux I have noticed for

Re: define (or translate, or substitute for) "interpolate": Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread rhkramer
Thanks! On Monday, October 19, 2020 08:55:01 AM to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > To be fair, you should quote wikipedia thoroughly. In the disambiguation > page [1] you do find the current use: > > String interpolation, in computing, the substitution of variables by > their values

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread David
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 at 06:09, Mike McClain wrote: > On a different subject, my guess is that your insistence on quoting > variables and using arrays for multi-part parameters is that doing so > as a habit covers the times when a string variable will not expand as > expected while an array will.

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Tixy
On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 15:16 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 01:51:04PM -0500, Mike McClain wrote: > > I spent a while searching your wiki trying to find your objections > > without luck, so would you plaese tell this poor heathen what your > > objection to 'set -e' is? > >

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread Michael Stone
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 12:57:52PM -0700, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: Obvious factor: replies mention 64 bit machines. 32 b here. Anyone have Zoom running on a 32 b machine with Debian 10? Probably not many, if any. I'd strongly recommend switching to the amd64 distribution for a variety of

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread peter
From: Bob McGowan Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 18:18:18 -0700 > I've seen the browser part only when I click on a link in an email > invite. I shouldn't have included the browser window. Not really pertinent. > As for exiting, so long as Zoom considers it a normal exit, it will > give an exit

Re: webcam externe compatible Debian

2020-10-19 Thread Haricophile
Le Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:49:17 +0200 (CEST), roger.tar...@free.fr a écrit : > Bonjour, > > J'ai passé en revue divers articles sur les webcam pour Linux. > Connaissez-vous des références de webcam (pas trop) anciennes qui > soient compatibles avec Debian Buster ? Celles que vous utilisez avec >

TV Linux.

2020-10-19 Thread qbtdbm
Bonjour, Je me permet ce message même si cela ne concerne pas directement Debian mais Linux. En passant chez Boulanger, j'ai vu des TV fonctionnant sous Linux et pas sous Android… Je n'ai pas trouvé plus d'informations mais je continue de chercher. Est-ce Open Source ? Est ce que l'on

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 01:51:04PM -0500, Mike McClain wrote: > I spent a while searching your wiki trying to find your objections > without luck, so would you plaese tell this poor heathen what your > objection to 'set -e' is? https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/105 > On a different subject, my

Re: WiFi adapter MAC address spoofing

2020-10-19 Thread 陈贤文
Thank you. On 2020-10-19 13:54, Charles Curley wrote: Not all Ethernet or WiFi adapters are capable of changing MAC addresses. Back in the early days, all MAC addresses were hard coded because that was simpler for manufacturers. It also meant that all MAC addresses were unique, so some

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Mike McClain
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 07:55:27AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > I use 'set -e' > > NOOO While interesting this response is not very informative. I can only tell that you have a problem with it. I spent a while searching your wiki trying to find your objections without luck, so

SOLVED??: Re: How to add an origin to unattended upgrades?

2020-10-19 Thread Charles Curley
On Fri, 16 Oct 2020 13:24:06 -0600 Charles Curley wrote: > I have unattended upgrades running on a testbed laptop. I would like > to add an origin to the list, but I don't think I am getting the entry > quite right. The origin is for vivaldi, which has its own repo outside > the Debian repos.

Re: How to add an origin to unattended upgrades?

2020-10-19 Thread Charles Curley
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020 13:29:26 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > This looks good to me. > > After looking through the bugs list for unattended-upgrades I would > suggest you check whether upgrading vivaldi-stable requires > installing new packages or package removals ('apt upgrade -s' should >

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 19 October 2020 15:20:05 Gaëtan PERRIER wrote: > Le lundi 19 octobre 2020 à 14:43 +0200, ajh-valmer a écrit : > > On Monday 19 October 2020 12:58:40 Gaëtan Perrier wrote: > > > Tes données sont dans ton home et ne seront pas effacées. > > > Firefox devrait les charger directement et te

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
>>> Isn't it funny that we consider ourselves "liberal democracies", but >>> when crossing our $COMPANY's doorstep, we leave our convictions at the >>> wardrobe? >> In an ideal world one could just refuse to do so and quit the job. > There are many other things one can do, Among them I forgot to

Re: [rech] script traitement par lot d’image ?

2020-10-19 Thread ptilou
Le dimanche 18 octobre 2020 à 15:30:02 UTC+2, Marc Siegwald a écrit : > Le 18/10/2020 à 07:55, ptilou a écrit : > > Bonjour, > > > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/4Jb7w57haK9uQxGr6 > > Voilà 30 images prises à un intervalle de 1 mn, en astronomie le club du > > Havre propose un logiciel gratuit

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:21:21AM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Isn't it funny that we consider ourselves "liberal democracies", but > >> when crossing our $COMPANY's doorstep, we leave our convictions at the > >> wardrobe? > > In an ideal world one could just refuse to do so and quit the

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
> But this isn't an ideal world, is it? No, but the recent societal changes due to the pandemic have made an enormous difference: for many (most?) people now 100% of their communications outside of their immediate family (including the most intimate/private ones) goes through proprietary code

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Isn't it funny that we consider ourselves "liberal democracies", but >> when crossing our $COMPANY's doorstep, we leave our convictions at the >> wardrobe? > In an ideal world one could just refuse to do so and quit the job. There are many other things one can do, starting with consistently

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread David Wright
On Mon 19 Oct 2020 at 09:37:01 (+0200), Sven Hartge wrote: > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 05:40:04PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > >> Stefan Monnier wrote: > > Does anyone have Zoom working in Debian 10? > > >>> Don't know, but I use and recommend Jitsi as a Free

Re: WiFi adapter MAC address spoofing

2020-10-19 Thread Charles Curley
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 13:18:52 + Xianwen Chen (陈贤文) wrote: > I would like to set a permanent MAC address spoofing for both the > Ethernet and the Wife adapters. ... > After rebooting, I run "ip addr" to check MAC addresses. The > Ethernet's MAC address is changed, but not the WiFi adapter.

Re: wrong from field with alpine

2020-10-19 Thread Curt
On 2020-10-18, Pierre Frenkiel wrote: > hi, > > when I send a mail with alpine, the from field becomes > "frenk...@laposte.net" instead of "p.frenk...@laposte.net" > > An obvious consequence is that people can't reply to this mail > > that looks like an alpine bug. I'll then make a bug report,

WiFi adapter MAC address spoofing

2020-10-19 Thread 陈贤文
Hi, I would like to set a permanent MAC address spoofing for both the Ethernet and the Wife adapters. I set the following in /etc/network/interfaces: # # This file describes the network interfaces available on your system # and how to

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread Gaëtan PERRIER
Le lundi 19 octobre 2020 à 14:43 +0200, ajh-valmer a écrit : > On Monday 19 October 2020 12:58:40 Gaëtan Perrier wrote: > > Tes données sont dans ton home et ne seront pas effacées. > > Firefox devrait les charger directement et te prévenir des > > extensions qui ne seront le cas échéant plus

Re: To enable TrueType fonts on uxterm by default

2020-10-19 Thread 陈贤文
Thank you all! For me font size 13 is the better balance between visibility and space-efficiency. Otherwise everything works like a charm! Cheers, Xianwen On 2020-10-19 12:26, gru...@mailfence.com wrote: On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, Brian wrote: On Mon 19 Oct 2020 at 07:18:39 -0400, Dan

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Giraud
Bonjour, Le 19/10/2020 à 14:43, ajh-valmer a écrit : > On Monday 19 October 2020 12:58:40 Gaëtan Perrier wrote: >> Tes données sont dans ton home et ne seront pas effacées. >> Firefox devrait les charger directement et te prévenir des >> extensions qui ne seront le cas échéant plus compatible

Re: define (or translate, or substitute for) "interpolate": Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 08:29:32AM -0400, rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: [...] > Interpolation - Wikipedia > en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Interpolation > In the mathematical field of numerical analysis, interpolation is a type of > estimation, a method of ... variable, may be contrary to commonsense,

Re: define (or translate, or substitute for) "interpolate": Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread rhkramer
On Monday, October 19, 2020 08:30:36 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > Oops, forgot to say that of course I recognize that language (and word > meanings) evolve. > > On Monday, October 19, 2020 08:29:32 AM rhkra...@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, October 17, 2020 06:01:13 PM David Christensen

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread ajh-valmer
On Monday 19 October 2020 12:58:40 Gaëtan Perrier wrote: > Tes données sont dans ton home et ne seront pas effacées. > Firefox devrait les charger directement et te prévenir des > extensions qui ne seront le cas échéant plus compatible > avec la version 78 : Dans le répertoire :

define (or translate, or substitute for) "interpolate": Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread rhkramer
On Saturday, October 17, 2020 06:01:13 PM David Christensen wrote: > I don't use Bourne arrays, and I barely understand how the shell > interpolates lists and preserves items containing whitespace. When I > can't figure it out, I switch to Perl. I'm looking for an alternate thing to think of

Re: To enable TrueType fonts on uxterm by default

2020-10-19 Thread grumpy
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, Brian wrote: On Mon 19 Oct 2020 at 07:18:39 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: Xianwen Chen (?) wrote: Hi, When I hold Ctrl and right click on uxterm, a menu shows up, where I can click to enable TrueType fonts. I would like to enable TrueType fonts by default. I guess

Re: Please be respectful

2020-10-19 Thread tomas
On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:50:36AM +, Long Wind wrote: > > On Sunday, October 18, 2020, 8:12:54 AM EDT, wrote: > In general, this is a good strategy. Still, there are people > around who feel hurt by things and are too shy to speak up; > it's thinking of those that I do sometimes. >

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 05:09:42PM -0500, Mike McClain wrote: > Params=(-a --inplace --delete); > Flash=/sda/rpi4b > cd /home/mike You forgot to check the result of this cd. This is critically important; if the cd fails, you do NOT want the script to continue. cd /home/mike || exit > [ ! -d

Re: To enable TrueType fonts on uxterm by default

2020-10-19 Thread Brian
On Mon 19 Oct 2020 at 07:18:39 -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Xianwen Chen (?) wrote: > > Hi, > > > > When I hold Ctrl and right click on uxterm, a menu shows up, where I can > > click to enable TrueType fonts. > > > > I would like to enable TrueType fonts by default. > > > > I guess I could

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 03:01:13PM -0700, David Christensen wrote: > I try to use all lower case letters for variable names and all upper case > letters for constants. ALL_UPPER_CASE is reserved for internal shell variables, and environment variables. If you abuse it for "constants" as well, on

Re: webcam externe compatible Debian

2020-10-19 Thread roger . tarani
Testé avec succès. Merci. De: "Jean Bernon" À: "roger tarani" Envoyé: Vendredi 16 Octobre 2020 22:48:22 Objet: Re: webcam externe compatible Debian J'utilise avec bonheur sur Buster une webcam Logitech Pro 9000. Connaissez-vous des références de webcam (pas trop) anciennes qui

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 12:58:04PM -0500, Mike McClain wrote: > As for your last question, the script is called from cron and I'm > never sure whether cron is going to be able to find things so have > just gotten into the habit of putting the path in. The line that actually appears *in* the

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:29:34PM -0700, Will Mengarini wrote: > debian/pts/14 bash ~ 23:25 0$a="x y z" > debian/pts/14 bash ~ 23:25 0$echo $a > x y z > debian/pts/14 bash ~ 23:26 0$echo "$a" # preferred > x y z > debian/pts/14 bash ~ 23:26 0$# When $a is embedded, quote *outer* string: >

Re: rsync --delete

2020-10-19 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 12:30:50AM +0200, Klaus Singvogel wrote: > Mike McClain wrote: > > > A section of the backup script is so: > > Params=(-a --inplace --delete); > [...] > > Use instead: > Params=-a --inplace --delete Incorrect. This command will generate an error, as it should. Mike's

Re: To enable TrueType fonts on uxterm by default

2020-10-19 Thread Dan Ritter
Xianwen Chen (?) wrote: > Hi, > > When I hold Ctrl and right click on uxterm, a menu shows up, where I can > click to enable TrueType fonts. > > I would like to enable TrueType fonts by default. > > I guess I could do it by setting it up in ~/.Xresources and use xrdb to > merge it.

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread Gaëtan Perrier
Salut, Tes données sont dans ton home et ne seront pas effacées. Firefox devrait les charger directement et te prévenir des extensions qui ne seront le cas échéant plus compatible avec la version 78. Gaëtan Le 19 octobre 2020 11:21:33 GMT+02:00, ajh-valmer a écrit : >Bonjour à tous, > >Je

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread Bernard Isambert
Vérifiez qu'il n'y a pas un problème de droits d'accès aux fichiers. Le process lancé par un utilisateur normal n'a pas forcément les drois qu'il faut, ça dépend de la façon dont l'installation a été faite. Je souhaite passer de Firefox-esr version 68 à 78. Impossible de l'updater A. Valmer

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread Frederic Robert
On 10/19/20 9:37 AM, Michel wrote: Debian Buster sur plusieurs machines, l'upgrade s'est fait automatiquement lors de la mise à jour. Utilises-tu Buster toi aussi ? Bonjour, Idem sur Debian Stretch, Bonne journée, -- Frédéric ROBERT

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread Michel
Le 19/10/2020 à 11:30, ajh-valmer a écrit : > Bonjour à tous, > > Je souhaite passer de Firefox-esr version 68 à 78. > > Impossible de l'updater, je suis invité à réinstaller > la version 78 en le téléchargeant sur le site. > > Du coup, comment garder mes historiques, marques pages...? >

To enable TrueType fonts on uxterm by default

2020-10-19 Thread 陈贤文
Hi, When I hold Ctrl and right click on uxterm, a menu shows up, where I can click to enable TrueType fonts. I would like to enable TrueType fonts by default. I guess I could do it by setting it up in ~/.Xresources and use xrdb to merge it. However, I do not know which TrueType font(s)

Re: Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread Belaïd
Bonjour, Il me semble qu'il faudrais au préalable sauvegarder ton profile firefox qui est par défaut dans : ~/.mozilla/firefox Le lun. 19 oct. 2020 11:21, ajh-valmer a écrit : > Bonjour à tous, > > Je souhaite passer de Firefox-esr version 68 à 78. > > Impossible de l'updater, je suis invité

Importer données Firefox

2020-10-19 Thread ajh-valmer
Bonjour à tous, Je souhaite passer de Firefox-esr version 68 à 78. Impossible de l'updater, je suis invité à réinstaller la version 78 en le téléchargeant sur le site. Du coup, comment garder mes historiques, marques pages...? Comment les importer depuis l'ancienne version ? (on ne peut le

Re: how to download old edition

2020-10-19 Thread Kamil Jońca
"Thomas Schmitt" writes: [...] > jigdo-lite's messages are not overly helpful in this case. > > Try jigdo-lite with "Debian mirror" > > http://archive.debian.org/debian-amd64 > > Although this is amd64 and not i386, the package matches, because it is > of "Architecture: all". > Thanks a lot.

Stratégie de développement 2021

2020-10-19 Thread Paweł Skorzyński
Bonjour, avez-vous inclus un investissement d'intégration dans votre stratégie de développement processus dans l'entreprise? Nous sommes une équipe de consultants et d'ingénieurs logiciels avec une vaste expérience dans mise en œuvre de projets pour les entreprises employant min. plusieurs

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, tomas wrote: > Isn't it funny that we consider ourselves "liberal democracies", but > when crossing our $COMPANY's doorstep, we leave our convictions at the > wardrobe? Rental slavery is not in contradiction to the declaration of human rights. There are some regulations, though:

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread Sven Hartge
to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 05:40:04PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: >> Stefan Monnier wrote: Does anyone have Zoom working in Debian 10? >>> Don't know, but I use and recommend Jitsi as a Free Software >>> alternative. >> If The Powers That Be[tm] have decided to use

Re: how to download old edition

2020-10-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Kamil Jońca wrote: > Recently I tried to download old sarge jigdo images. > [...] > ‘./debian-31r8-i386-binary-14.iso.tmpdir/us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snaps > hot/Debian/pool/main/z/zope-quotafolder/zope-quotafolder_0.1.1-1_all.deb’ > saved [16726/16726] > > Found 0 of the 1 files

Re: Zoom.

2020-10-19 Thread tomas
On Sun, Oct 18, 2020 at 05:40:04PM +0200, Sven Hartge wrote: > Stefan Monnier wrote: > > >> Does anyone have Zoom working in Debian 10? > > > Don't know, but I use and recommend Jitsi as a Free Software > > alternative. > > If The Powers That Be[tm] have decided to use Zoom, then it is >