bad fstab entry prevents ssh from starting [where do i file a bugreport?]

2021-06-21 Thread Horatiu Nimigean
Hi.
https://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting told me this is the best place to ask if 
i am not sure which package causes the problem.

The problem:
if one entry in fstab fails, ssh fails to start and the vps/bare metal needs 
rescue.
What causes this ? I suspect it's some systemd dependency, that's why I am 
asking here.
my specific case:
one md array failed to mount. the mountpoint was not vital to ssh 
functionality. in fact, it had nothing to do with it at all.
/ mounts perfectly fine.
details: debian 10, standard cli install, not sure what else is needed.

Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-21 Thread mick crane

On 2021-06-22 05:47, mick crane wrote:

On 2021-06-22 00:22, Gary L. Roach wrote:

Hi all,

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM

Thunderbird 78.10.0(64bit)

For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no
problems. Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my
mail server. Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a
sudden I had an All-Mail folder that wasn't there before. Since then
all of my Emails are bypassing my InBox and my filters. I decided to
sort out the All-Mail by creating a new set of filters and running
them on the All-Mail box. I completely cleaned out all 4000 or so
Emails. As soon as I restarted Thunderbird all of the old Emails were
downloaded from the web and re-filled the All-Mail box. Nothing in the
InBox. In addition, I now have multiple copies of the same messages in
all of my local folders. In short I have a real mess on my hands. I
have seen various solutions on the web but none seem to work. I also
noted that pop servers, unlike imap servers, store all of the files on
the local computer. Could switching to pop solve this problem? Are
there any other solutions? Please help.

Gary R.


I collect from gmail with getmail simpleIMAP asking please don't keep.
Mails are removed from gmail INBOX but are kept in ALL MAIL. I've
given up trying to make sense of it and periodically go on the gmail
web interface, delete spam, delete from ALL MAIL and then delete again
from BIN. It's a free service and the payment is they get to trawl
your messages so it's understandable.

PS. I think the way Gmail works is gmail specific where messages are not 
moved to a directory but are files that are tagged in some way so they 
are never really moved anywhere.


--
Key ID4BFEBB31



Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-21 Thread mick crane

On 2021-06-22 00:22, Gary L. Roach wrote:

Hi all,

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM

Thunderbird 78.10.0(64bit)

For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no
problems. Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my
mail server. Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a
sudden I had an All-Mail folder that wasn't there before. Since then
all of my Emails are bypassing my InBox and my filters. I decided to
sort out the All-Mail by creating a new set of filters and running
them on the All-Mail box. I completely cleaned out all 4000 or so
Emails. As soon as I restarted Thunderbird all of the old Emails were
downloaded from the web and re-filled the All-Mail box. Nothing in the
InBox. In addition, I now have multiple copies of the same messages in
all of my local folders. In short I have a real mess on my hands. I
have seen various solutions on the web but none seem to work. I also
noted that pop servers, unlike imap servers, store all of the files on
the local computer. Could switching to pop solve this problem? Are
there any other solutions? Please help.

Gary R.


I collect from gmail with getmail simpleIMAP asking please don't keep. 
Mails are removed from gmail INBOX but are kept in ALL MAIL. I've given 
up trying to make sense of it and periodically go on the gmail web 
interface, delete spam, delete from ALL MAIL and then delete again from 
BIN. It's a free service and the payment is they get to trawl your 
messages so it's understandable.


mick
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Re: Messed up Email

2021-06-21 Thread Mark Allums




On 6/21/2021 6:22 PM, Gary L. Roach wrote:

Hi all,

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM

Thunderbird 78.10.0(64bit)

For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no 
problems. Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my 
mail server. Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a 
sudden I had an All-Mail folder that wasn't there before. Since then 
all of my Emails are bypassing my InBox and my filters. I decided to 
sort out the All-Mail by creating a new set of filters and running 
them on the All-Mail box. I completely cleaned out all 4000 or so 
Emails. As soon as I restarted Thunderbird all of the old Emails were 
downloaded from the web and re-filled the All-Mail box. Nothing in the 
InBox. In addition, I now have multiple copies of the same messages in 
all of my local folders. In short I have a real mess on my hands. I 
have seen various solutions on the web but none seem to work. I also 
noted that pop servers, unlike imap servers, store all of the files on 
the local computer. Could switching to pop solve this problem? Are 
there any other solutions? Please help.


Gary R.

Check your server account (you may need to log in to webmail). Chances 
are, the ISP/mail provider added a new folder that behaves that way.  
Using filters on the server rather than locally might help, and as you 
surmised, trying POP may help.  It's a feature of IMAP to keep your mail 
locally matching the server.  Perhaps some configuration details could 
be changed.


Mark A.



Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:50:22PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> > On 06/21/2021 02:36 PM, Curt wrote:
> > >   curl https://cht.sh/:cht.sh > ~/bin/cht.sh
> > >   chmod +x ~/bin/cht.sh
> > >   cht.sh --standalone-install
> > 
> > I don't understand what those 3 lines are attempting to do.
> > What should I be reading?
> 
> curl(1)
> bash(1) (Redirection)
> chmod(1)
> less ~/bin/cht.sh

Just for the record, there should be a mkdir -p ~/bin in there as
well.  And one might need to log out and back in to get ~/bin into
one's PATH, depending on how one's dot files are set up.  (Manual
modification of PATH is also acceptable.)



Messed up Email

2021-06-21 Thread Gary L. Roach

Hi all,

Operating System: Debian GNU/Linux 10
KDE Plasma Version: 5.14.5
Qt Version: 5.11.3
KDE Frameworks Version: 5.54.0
Kernel Version: 4.19.0-16-amd64
OS Type: 64-bit
Processors: 4 × AMD FX(tm)-4350 Quad-Core Processor
Memory: 15.6 GiB of RAM

Thunderbird 78.10.0(64bit)

For some years, I have been using Thunderbird on Debian with no 
problems. Over a year ago I switched to gmail.com (Imap server) for my 
mail server. Everything went fine until about 6 months ago . All of a 
sudden I had an All-Mail folder that wasn't there before. Since then all 
of my Emails are bypassing my InBox and my filters. I decided to sort 
out the All-Mail by creating a new set of filters and running them on 
the All-Mail box. I completely cleaned out all 4000 or so Emails. As 
soon as I restarted Thunderbird all of the old Emails were downloaded 
from the web and re-filled the All-Mail box. Nothing in the InBox. In 
addition, I now have multiple copies of the same messages in all of my 
local folders. In short I have a real mess on my hands. I have seen 
various solutions on the web but none seem to work. I also noted that 
pop servers, unlike imap servers, store all of the files on the local 
computer. Could switching to pop solve this problem? Are there any other 
solutions? Please help.


Gary R.



Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Brian
On Mon 21 Jun 2021 at 15:25:53 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

> On 06/21/2021 02:36 PM, Curt wrote:
> > On 2021-06-21, Stefan Monnier  wrote:
> > > > Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.
> > > [...]
> > > > Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form
> > > > https://cht.sh/XXX ?
> > > 
> > > I think it can make sense for manpages to include a link to some further
> > > doc in the form of a wiki or some other webpage, but I often enough find
> > > myself using `man` while trying to fix a system's network or X11/Wayland
> > > config, which makes it either impossible to access the Internet at that
> > > moment, or painful to browse a webpage.
> > 
> >   curl https://cht.sh/:cht.sh > ~/bin/cht.sh
> >   chmod +x ~/bin/cht.sh
> >   cht.sh --standalone-install
> > 
> 
> I don't understand what those 3 lines are attempting to do.
> What should I be reading?

curl(1)
bash(1) (Redirection)
chmod(1)
less ~/bin/cht.sh

-- 
Brian.



Re: Problem with Grub

2021-06-21 Thread Joe
On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 10:19:57 -0600
William Lee Valentine  wrote:


> 
> I later installed Debian 10.2 in a partition on a 64-bit computer that
> was otherwise running Windows 10.
> 
> When I had finished installing Linux, Grub wanted to know whether I
> wanted it installed on the master boot record. It reported seeing
> "Windows Vista" in another bootable partition. I agreed. This time,
> however, Grub modified the master boot record to allow only Linux to
> be booted. I had to pay to have Windows 10 reinstalled.
> 
Apart from other answers to this, anything with Win10 originally
installed (and you don't say this, it might be an upgrade, perhaps from
Vista) will have a recovery partition which can be triggered from a key
during boot. OK, it completely nukes the original installation,
returning the computer to factory-issued, but it costs nothing.

Another point: buster will install dual-boot to a UEFI Win10, but on my
netbook, will not dual-boot afterwards. It may still be possible to
dual-boot using the startup boot menu key, not GRUB, though it isn't on
my machine.

-- 
Joe



how to let user access cell phone

2021-06-21 Thread Long Wind
i use jmtpfs to mount cell phone, only root user can access phone's memoryhow 
to let other user to access it ?Thanks!


Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Richard Owlett

On 06/21/2021 02:36 PM, Curt wrote:

On 2021-06-21, Stefan Monnier  wrote:

Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.

[...]

Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form
https://cht.sh/XXX ?


I think it can make sense for manpages to include a link to some further
doc in the form of a wiki or some other webpage, but I often enough find
myself using `man` while trying to fix a system's network or X11/Wayland
config, which makes it either impossible to access the Internet at that
moment, or painful to browse a webpage.


  curl https://cht.sh/:cht.sh > ~/bin/cht.sh
  chmod +x ~/bin/cht.sh
  cht.sh --standalone-install



I don't understand what those 3 lines are attempting to do.
What should I be reading?
TIA





Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Stefan Monnier
> Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.
[...]
> Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form
> https://cht.sh/XXX ?

I think it can make sense for manpages to include a link to some further
doc in the form of a wiki or some other webpage, but I often enough find
myself using `man` while trying to fix a system's network or X11/Wayland
config, which makes it either impossible to access the Internet at that
moment, or painful to browse a webpage.


Stefan



Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Curt
On 2021-06-21, Stefan Monnier  wrote:
>> Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.
> [...]
>> Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form
>> https://cht.sh/XXX ?
>
> I think it can make sense for manpages to include a link to some further
> doc in the form of a wiki or some other webpage, but I often enough find
> myself using `man` while trying to fix a system's network or X11/Wayland
> config, which makes it either impossible to access the Internet at that
> moment, or painful to browse a webpage.

 curl https://cht.sh/:cht.sh > ~/bin/cht.sh
 chmod +x ~/bin/cht.sh
 cht.sh --standalone-install

>
> Stefan



Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

2021-06-21 Thread Polyna-Maude Racicot-Summerside
Hi,

On 2021-06-21 3:31 p.m., David Wright wrote:
> On Thu 17 Jun 2021 at 09:54:44 (-0700), James H. H. Lampert wrote:
>> On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote:
>>> test
>>
>> I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC,
>> and have reason to do some testing ourselves.
> 
> I need to do some testing too. For 10 months I haven't been able to
> submit via my email hosting server, and since Saturday I can't submit
> via my ISP. Just this email list.
> 
Only this list sends me a huge amount of error regarding DMARC but no
other email server does !
> Cheers,
> David.
> 

-- 
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Re: Hi there, test only, please ignore

2021-06-21 Thread David Wright
On Thu 17 Jun 2021 at 09:54:44 (-0700), James H. H. Lampert wrote:
> On 6/17/21 1:25 AM, Grzesiek wrote:
> > test
> 
> I got your test message. As it happens, we just went live with DMARC,
> and have reason to do some testing ourselves.

I need to do some testing too. For 10 months I haven't been able to
submit via my email hosting server, and since Saturday I can't submit
via my ISP. Just this email list.

Cheers,
David.



Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Marco Möller

On 21.06.21 17:29, Richard Owlett wrote:

Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.
Sometime back a post mentioned a web page that could return examples for 
most(all??) Linux commands. I failed to bookmark it and have not 
rediscovered it since.


In another forum I was pointed to https://cht.sh/ .
Going to  https://cht.sh/XXX  will return a list of examples for XXX.

Along the right side of each page of /manpages.debian.org/... there is a 
list of links to various topics.


Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form 
https://cht.sh/XXX ?


Comments?
TIA




For displaying examples I am using the tldr command provided by package 
"tldr".

This client's web page is here:
https://github.com/psibi/tldr-hs#readme

The general tldr site is here:
https://tldr.sh/
There are also several web pages which search and display the 
information from the tldr examples collection, like this one:

https://tldr.ostera.io/

The project invites to participate by adding examples to its collection.
Following for years the upcoming discussions about the wish to enhance 
man pages by adding examples to it but confronting the situation that 
man pages are usually maintained by the package maintainers and not all 
of them are in favor of adding examples to the man pages, I think that 
the normal users are best served by supporting as a community an 
examples collection like the above mentioned tldr project.


Just my view as a user.
Marco.



Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Richard Owlett

On 06/21/2021 11:49 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote:

* On 2021 21 Jun 10:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:

Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.


My name is among the authors of a few man pages found in the Debian
archive with regard to some software used primarily by radio amateurs.
Part of the issue is how many examples are enough and how many are too
much.  I landed at the point of providing enough for the curious to get
a sense of the options and how to provide them for programs.  Mostly
this was aimed at those more familiar with GUI programs not programs
that take command line options.

Manual pages that focus on library API calls have yet another challenge
for providing examples.  The Linux Man Pages Project seems to do a good
job in sections 2 (system calls) and 3 (C library calls) with concise
and useful examples and should probably serve as an example for other
authors to follow, IMO.


Sometime back a post mentioned a web page that could return examples for
most(all??) Linux commands. I failed to bookmark it and have not
rediscovered it since.


That may have been me.  Here is an example:

$ curl cheat.sh/curl

The cheat.sh site is not mine and I have no relation to it.
  

In another forum I was pointed to https://cht.sh/ .
Going to  https://cht.sh/XXX  will return a list of examples for XXX.


It is the same site only through the Web interface.


IIRC the page I saw was neither chat.sh nor cht.sh .
Right now both seem to have long response times.
I may have local hardware issues as some purely local operations have 
strange delays.





Along the right side of each page of /manpages.debian.org/... there is a
list of links to various topics.

Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form
https://cht.sh/XXX ?


That question would be better posed to the Debian Web site team than
here.


I asked here as the subject had been raised here and I wanted feed back 
from people had raised the issue.


As to discussing its implementation I was leaning to raising it on
debian-doc rather than debian-www.




Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2021 21 Jun 10:30 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote:
> Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.

My name is among the authors of a few man pages found in the Debian
archive with regard to some software used primarily by radio amateurs.
Part of the issue is how many examples are enough and how many are too
much.  I landed at the point of providing enough for the curious to get
a sense of the options and how to provide them for programs.  Mostly
this was aimed at those more familiar with GUI programs not programs
that take command line options.

Manual pages that focus on library API calls have yet another challenge
for providing examples.  The Linux Man Pages Project seems to do a good
job in sections 2 (system calls) and 3 (C library calls) with concise
and useful examples and should probably serve as an example for other
authors to follow, IMO.

> Sometime back a post mentioned a web page that could return examples for
> most(all??) Linux commands. I failed to bookmark it and have not
> rediscovered it since.

That may have been me.  Here is an example:

$ curl cheat.sh/curl

The cheat.sh site is not mine and I have no relation to it.
 
> In another forum I was pointed to https://cht.sh/ .
> Going to  https://cht.sh/XXX  will return a list of examples for XXX.

It is the same site only through the Web interface.

> Along the right side of each page of /manpages.debian.org/... there is a
> list of links to various topics.
> 
> Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form
> https://cht.sh/XXX ?

That question would be better posed to the Debian Web site team than
here.

- Nate

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Re: Debain 11 Release Candidate - Screen Freeze (NVidia)

2021-06-21 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 07:48:00PM +0200, Spongebob Schwammkopf wrote:
> Dear Support Team,
> 
> as soon as I manually switch off my 4K LG OLED 48C1 Monitor (HDMI)
> connected to my NVidia GTX 1650 grafics card and on again the screen is
> frozen. This means no mouse or keyboard is working. Also a console terminal
> is frozen but a running compilation seems to still process in background.
> 
> The actual NVidia driver is the 460.73.01 and was installed per
> 
> apt-get install firmware-linux nvidia-driver nvidia-detect nvidia-settings
> nvidia-xconfig
> nvidia-xconfig
> 
> What looks a bit strange but maybe could be normal is the fact that none of
> the following services is installed nor could be enabled:
> 
> sudo systemctl enable nvidia-suspend.service
> sudo systemctl enable nvidia-hibernate.service
> sudo systemctl enable nvidia-resume.service
> 
> Any solutions for this problem?
> 
> Best regards

A really stupid question: have you tried resetting the LG screen to defaults?

If the screen is intelligent, it may have its own power saver configuration.

What connection are you using to the 4k monitor? Display port / USB-C?

Do you have another monitor to check whether the situation is the same and
to clarify whether it is the card sending a signal?

Anything in event logs?

The more information you can give, the better here: we almost certainly 
won't have your hardware but might spot something given more information.

With every good wish

Andrew Cater



Re: A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Richard Owlett

On 06/21/2021 10:29 AM, Richard Owlett wrote:

Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.
Sometime back a post mentioned a web page that could return examples for 
most(all??) Linux commands. I failed to bookmark it and have not 
rediscovered it since.


In another forum I was pointed to https://cht.sh/ .
Going to  https://cht.sh/XXX  will return a list of examples for XXX.

Along the right side of each page of /manpages.debian.org/... there is a 
list of links to various topics.


Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form 
https://cht.sh/XXX ?


Comments?
TIA



I just checked. That page does not explicitly address Greg Wooledge's 
comment[1] in another thread about handling one command with conflicting 
implementations. [e.g. "parallel"]



[1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/06/msg00496.html




A feasible method to add examples to man pages?

2021-06-21 Thread Richard Owlett

Many see the need for examples to be associated with man pages.
Sometime back a post mentioned a web page that could return examples for 
most(all??) Linux commands. I failed to bookmark it and have not 
rediscovered it since.


In another forum I was pointed to https://cht.sh/ .
Going to  https://cht.sh/XXX  will return a list of examples for XXX.

Along the right side of each page of /manpages.debian.org/... there is a 
list of links to various topics.


Would it be proper/reasonable/practical/??? to add an entry of the form 
https://cht.sh/XXX ?


Comments?
TIA




Re: debian installation issue

2021-06-21 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 12:54:31PM +, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> [ Apologies, missed this last week... ]

No need to apologise: I appreciate the detailed answer.

> > - do you know any other alternative CA besides Microsoft [...]

> I've been in a number of discussions about this over the last few
> years, particularly when talking about adding arm64 Secure Boot and
> *maybe* finding somebody else to act as CA for that. There's a few
> important (but probably not well-understood) aspect ofs the CA role
> here:
> 
>  * the entity providing the CA needs to be stable (changing things is
>expensive and hard)
>  * they need to be trustworthy - having an existing long-term business
>relationship with the OEMs is a major feature here
>  * they need to be *large* - if there is a major mistake that might
>cause a problem on a lot of machines in production, the potential
>cost liability (and lawsuits) from OEMs is *huge*

This makes sense. It still feels... weird to have one company do
it who has a bone to pick in the market.

Watching Oracle/Java doesn't give me good feelings about that.
It is even much more fundamental, because it's more or less all
of the "general purpose computing devices" we are talking about
here.

> There are not many companies who would fit here. Intel and AMD are
> both very interested in enhancing trust and security at this kind of
> level, but have competing products and ideas, for example.

That's why I think this shouldn't be done by "a company", but by
a non-profit industry consortium, of which there are enough examples
around.

> > - is there any internationally legal binding of Microsoft for
> >   them to provide that service in the future, in a fair and non
> >   discriminatory way?
> 
> That is a question I *can't* answer as I've not seen anything
> personally. But I would be shocked if agreements like that have not
> been made with various vendors.

This can cut both ways. Vendors have interests (and be it that other
competing vendors be kept out of the market). If things don't happen
transparently...

> Having worked with Microsoft and a number of representatives from the
> Linux distros, I *can* confirm that Microsoft care about Linux and SB
> working well. Hell, they're even using SB (shim, etc.) themselves for
> their own small Linux distro. That's not a *guarantee* of future
> goodwill, but they're not about to break things here on a whim.

Winds change. The above example of Oracle/Java (as that horrible SCO
saga, remember?) should teach people some care...

Colour me... sceptical.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: debian installation issue

2021-06-21 Thread Steve McIntyre
[ Apologies, missed this last week... ]

to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
>On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 09:20:52AM +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Vi, 11 iun 21, 15:07:11, Greg Wooledge wrote:
>> > 
>> > Secure Boot (Microsoft's attempt to stop you from using Linux) relies on
>> > UEFI booting, and therefore this was one of the driving forces behind it,
>> > but not the *only* driving force.  If your machine doesn't use Secure Boot,
>> > don't worry about it.  It won't affect you.
>> 
>> While I'm not a fan of Microsoft:
>> 
>> https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#What_is_UEFI_Secure_Boot_NOT.3F
>
>Quoting from there:
>
>  "Microsoft act as a Certification Authority (CA) for SB, and they will
>   sign programs on behalf of other trusted organisations so that their
>   programs will also run."
>
>Now two questions:
>
> - do you know any other alternative CA besides Microsoft who is
>   capable of effectively doing this? In a way that it'd "work"
>   with most PC vendors?

I've been in a number of discussions about this over the last few
years, particularly when talking about adding arm64 Secure Boot and
*maybe* finding somebody else to act as CA for that. There's a few
important (but probably not well-understood) aspect ofs the CA role
here:

 * the entity providing the CA needs to be stable (changing things is
   expensive and hard)
 * they need to be trustworthy - having an existing long-term business
   relationship with the OEMs is a major feature here
 * they need to be *large* - if there is a major mistake that might
   cause a problem on a lot of machines in production, the potential
   cost liability (and lawsuits) from OEMs is *huge*

There are not many companies who would fit here. Intel and AMD are
both very interested in enhancing trust and security at this kind of
level, but have competing products and ideas, for example.

> - is there any internationally legal binding of Microsoft for
>   them to provide that service in the future, in a fair and non
>   discriminatory way?

That is a question I *can't* answer as I've not seen anything
personally. But I would be shocked if agreements like that have not
been made with various vendors.

Having worked with Microsoft and a number of representatives from the
Linux distros, I *can* confirm that Microsoft care about Linux and SB
working well. Hell, they're even using SB (shim, etc.) themselves for
their own small Linux distro. That's not a *guarantee* of future
goodwill, but they're not about to break things here on a whim.

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Re: A Proposal: Each of Online Debian Man pages could have a wiki (Main page / Talk Page, etc.) at its bottom, with only Example Code Lines ...

2021-06-21 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 11:57:13AM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote:
> This post is to check if I am Blocked from the List.

Nobody ever suggested "blocking" you.  Who could even do that?  You'd
have to violate the list's policy in some egregious way, such as
sending commercial spam, to get the attention of the list administrators.

YOU, on the other hand, have accosted at least two people and asked them
to stop posting in threads that you had started.

At this point, if you expect anyone to engage with you, you need to stop
repeating yourself and spewing invective.  Instead, focus on the tasks
that people have asked you to do.

Show us an example of the work that you propose to do.  Create a page
on the Debian wiki containing additional EXAMPLES for some man page
that you consider to be in need of this enhancement.

This means you will need to work out how you plan to manage the page
namespace.  For example, are you going to differentiate between different
releases (buster/ls.1 bullseye/ls.1 and so on)?  How about alternative
implementations of the same command across different packages within
the same release?

For example, consider:

https://manpages.debian.org/buster/moreutils/parallel.1.en.html
https://manpages.debian.org/buster/parallel/parallel.1.en.html

Two implementations of the parallel(1) command, from two separate
sources.  Very different.  How do you plan to handle this situation?

Once you've written up new EXAMPLES for a few man pages to get the ball
rolling, it's possible that you'll find other people interested enough
to help you out.  But until then, I doubt anyone's going to step up and
do your work for you.



Re: apt-key says deprecated, but not saying what else to use

2021-06-21 Thread Jonathan Dowland

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 10:21:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:

This is ssh key management, not apt key management. apt key
things are for trusting package repositories.

...

Here's what you should do:


Kindly change the Subject: when you change the subject.

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