Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Marco Moock]

Am 15.03.2024 um 18:16:50 Uhr schrieb Jeffrey Walton:

> Fascinating reading here:
> .
> It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems with
> adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are the culprits.

I am from Gen Z and I can't understand why a smartphone should be
guilty here. It might be a device that is part of the problem like
alcohol can be when used wrong.

> The problem was not limited to the U.S.: Similar patterns emerged
> around the same time in Canada, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand,
> the Nordic countries, and beyond. By a variety of measures and in a
> variety of countries, the members of Generation Z (born in and after
> 1996) are suffering from anxiety, depression, self-harm, and related
> disorders at levels higher than any other generation for which we
> have data.

I can understand anxiety (oncoming war, economy problems), but not the
rest.
From school I remember many people who followed the words "Why do we
learn? We will die because of climate change anyway".

> The decline in mental health is just one of many signs that
> something went awry. Loneliness and friendlessness among American
> teens began to surge around 2012. Academic achievement went down,
> too. According to “The Nation’s Report Card,” scores in reading and
> math began to decline for U.S. students after 2012, reversing decades
> of slow but generally steady increase. PISA, the major international
> measure of educational trends, shows that declines in math, reading,
> and science happened globally, also beginning in the early 2010s.

I know many people in school who really asked why they should learn
that because they never gonna need that.
I was the misfit because I did mostly computer-related stuff in my free
time (not gaming), but at the end it definitely was and is still worth
it.


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emacs 27.1 from Buster work on Bookworm?

[John Conover]

Can emacs 27.1 from Debian 11 Buster be installed on Debian 12 Bookworm?

Thanks,

John

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Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Emanuel Berg]

Jeffrey Walton wrote:

> So the problem with GenZ seems to be how they are growing up
> and what they are spending their time on; and not their job
> (they are teens!)

They need other things to do that appeal to them more than
smartphone idling. If such things existed, they would go
for them, I'm confident.

But it is also how things are presented, what mental picture
they have, which is often incorrect. Today almost all
activities, even pretty mundane things that were once thought
of as relaxing and potentially inclusive to a whole bunch of
people, are presented as elitist pursuits for the select few.

They think, for example, "Martial arts seems like a lot of
fun, but it is nothing for me, everyone who does it are great
athletes and clearly I'm not." while in reality it is "_A lot_
of people who does it are great athletes - and the reason why
is because they do it". These kids only need to show up, but
sadly, a lot of them don't, ever.

So it is a vicious circle, the more they think they have to be
brilliant to do anything the less confident they become from
doing nothing.

> and not society around them (which they withdraw from).

Society pushed them away just as much.

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Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 7:09 PM Emanuel Berg  wrote:
>
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> > Fascinating reading here:
> > .
> > It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems
> > with adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are
> > the culprits.
>
> Society is the problem where you are either an elite prospect
> football player, a professional carpenter/construction worker,
> _or_ you don't get to do anything, ever.

The article did not discuss employment or socio-economics, other than to say:

The most recent Gallup data show that American teens spend about five
hours a day just on social-media platforms (including watching videos
on TikTok and YouTube). Add in all the other phone- and screen-based
activities, and the number rises to somewhere between seven and nine
hours a day, on average. The numbers are even higher in single-parent
and low-income families, and among Black, Hispanic, and Native American
families.

These very high numbers do not include time spent in front of screens
for school or homework, nor do they include all the time adolescents
spend paying only partial attention to events in the real world while
thinking about what they’re missing on social media or waiting for
their phones to ping. Pew reports that in 2022, one-third of teens said
they were on one of the major social-media sites “almost constantly,”
and nearly half said the same of the internet in general. For these
heavy users, nearly every waking hour is an hour absorbed, in full or
in part, by their devices.

So the problem with GenZ seems to be how they are growing up and what
they are spending their time on; and not their job (they are teens!),
and not society around them (which they withdraw from).

Jeff

Re: OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Emanuel Berg]

Jeffrey Walton wrote:

> Fascinating reading here:
> .
> It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems
> with adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are
> the culprits.

Society is the problem where you are either an elite prospect
football player, a professional carpenter/construction worker,
_or_ you don't get to do anything, ever.

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Re: Bookworm Fasttrack and Virtualbox

[Xiyue Deng]

"Miguel A. Vallejo"  writes:

> Xiyue Deng () wrote:
>
>> See the version of virtualbox-qt has `fto11' instead of `fto12', while
>> looking at the repo I can find the build for fto12[1].  What's also
>> weird is that for all fasttrack supported releases I can only see
>> version 7.0.12 but no 7.0.6.  Anyway, can you paste your sources.list
>> entries for fasttrack?
>>
>
> This is getting weird, my entries for fasttrack are:
>
> deb https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian-fasttrack/ bullseye-fasttrack main
> contrib non-free
> deb https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian-fasttrack/
> bullseye-backports-staging main contrib non-free

As I thought.  You should change "bullseye-fasttrack" to
"bookworm-fasttrack" and "bullseye-backports-staging" to
"bookworm-backports-staging", ensure you follow similar steps to enable
the backports repo[1], do an "apt update", and things should work.

That said, it would be better if fasttrack.debian.net provides
instructions per release.

[1] https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
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Re: Please terminate this faecal matter - the whole thread appears to be a troll.....Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:59 PM Bret Busby  wrote:
>
> On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> >> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> >> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!
> >
> > At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the
> > atmosphere to combine it with calcium to make bones and armor,
> > eventually eternal limestone, we have only about eighteen million years
> > until Gaia commits suicide. Why should we continue to be complicit?
> >
> > Read Patrick Moore. The Positive Impact of Human CO2 Emissions on the
> > Survival of Life on Earth. Frontier Science for Public Policy, June 2016.

++. That whole thread was fecal matter. Best to let it die...

Jeff

OT: End the Phone-Based Childhood Now

[Jeffrey Walton]

Fascinating reading here:
.
It completely explains why GenZ are having so many problems with
adulthood. Smartphones and Social Media are the culprits.

>From the article:

Something went suddenly and horribly wrong for adolescents in the early
2010s. By now you’ve likely seen the statistics: Rates of depression
and anxiety in the United States—fairly stable in the 2000s—rose by
more than 50 percent in many studies from 2010 to 2019. The suicide
rate rose 48 percent for adolescents ages 10 to 19. For girls ages 10
to 14, it rose 131 percent.

The problem was not limited to the U.S.: Similar patterns emerged
around the same time in Canada, the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, the
Nordic countries, and beyond. By a variety of measures and in a variety
of countries, the members of Generation Z (born in and after 1996) are
suffering from anxiety, depression, self-harm, and related disorders at
levels higher than any other generation for which we have data.

The decline in mental health is just one of many signs that something
went awry. Loneliness and friendlessness among American teens began to
surge around 2012. Academic achievement went down, too. According to
“The Nation’s Report Card,” scores in reading and math began to decline
for U.S. students after 2012, reversing decades of slow but generally
steady increase. PISA, the major international measure of educational
trends, shows that declines in math, reading, and science happened
globally, also beginning in the early 2010s.

And:

Surveys show that members of Gen Z are shyer and more risk averse than
previous generations, too, and risk aversion may make them less
ambitious. In an interview last May, OpenAI co-founder Sam Altman and
Stripe co-founder Patrick Collison noted that, for the first time since
the 1970s, none of Silicon Valley’s preeminent entrepreneurs are under
30. “Something has really gone wrong,” Altman said. In a famously young
industry, he was baffled by the sudden absence of great founders in
their 20s.

If you can't read the whole article, head on over to the Wayback Machine.

Jeff

Re: Ethernet not working on a Dell notebook

[Stefan Monnier]

> advantage. Plugged in cable is detected immediately. With dhclient running
> by ifupdown, it may take some minutes till next DHCP request is sent.

[ It can take *many* minutes.  ]
You can use `ifplugd` to make it react to plugging/unplugging the cable,
in case you don't want to use NetworkManager.


Stefan

Re: Bookworm, fail2ban and sshd

[Charles Curley]

On Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:59:49 - (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

> I guess it's this old bug:
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770171

Yup, thank you. I added the following stanza to
/etc/fail2ban/jail.d/curley.conf:

[sshd]
backend = systemd

(The "enabled" pair is already given in defaults-debian.conf.)

And running "fail2ban-client -d | grep -i ssh" confirms both that the
server is running, and that the ssh jail is enabled.

Which lead to another problem: I got a warning:

519846]: WARNING 'allowipv6' not defined in 'Definition'. Using default
one: 'auto'

Which would have been fine, except a) I don't like warnings, and 2) I
do not use or want ipv6. So I changed that to a no in fail2ban.local.
And I had to move that stanza to under the [Definition] heading to
quiet the warning.

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Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Andy Smith]

Hi,

On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> I think the discussion might usefully stop at this point before it
> degenerates to more heat than light (as is the way of most discussions
> eventually - call it an application of mailing list entropy :) ) 

Three weeks on and some have made essentially the same statements
three times over by now.

Thanks,
Andy

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Re: Bookworm Fasttrack and Virtualbox

[Miguel A. Vallejo]

Xiyue Deng () wrote:

> See the version of virtualbox-qt has `fto11' instead of `fto12', while
> looking at the repo I can find the build for fto12[1].  What's also
> weird is that for all fasttrack supported releases I can only see
> version 7.0.12 but no 7.0.6.  Anyway, can you paste your sources.list
> entries for fasttrack?
>

This is getting weird, my entries for fasttrack are:

deb https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian-fasttrack/ bullseye-fasttrack main
contrib non-free
deb https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian-fasttrack/
bullseye-backports-staging main contrib non-free

Anyway, I added virtualbox's own repository and it worked just fine

Disparition de sensord

[BERTRAND Joël]

Bonsoir à tous,

je viens de m'apercevoir que sensord n'est plus disponible dans les
dépôts. C'était une chose très pratique qui balançait dans syslog les
sorties de sensors lorsqu'il y avait une alarme de température. Par quoi
est-ce que cela a été remplacé, je ne trouve rien...

Bien cordialement,

JKB



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Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Emanuel Berg]

Will Mengarini wrote:

>> With no intention of ever creating a 100% offensive-free
>> language, removing the worst offenders from the scene often
>> is enough.
>
> Words I find offensive include "authority" and "manager", so
> checking `apropos authori manager` I see we have a lot of
> important work to do.

You have a lot to do. If you consider those words the worst
offenders. And intend to do something about it.

> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth
> years until your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're
> spending time on *THIS*?!

Relax, people also build shelves and get dead drunk at their
brothers' weddings.

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Re: Ethernet not working on a Dell notebook

[Franco Martelli]

On 15/03/24 at 03:53, Max Nikulin wrote:

On 13/03/2024 23:53, Franco Martelli wrote:

On 13/03/24 at 16:06, Max Nikulin wrote:

On 13/03/2024 21:52, Franco Martelli wrote:

They can coexist. NetworkManager in default configuration ignores 
interfaces under control of ifupdown (/etc/network/interfaces).


Detailed messages from NetworkManager related to carrier change 
events are missed in the posted log file, so the interface is 
configured by ifupdown.



Sorry Max I always knew that they cannot, my mistake…


My fault was that I tried to find NetworkManager manager messages in 
dmesg log. I have never tried to enable control of ifupdown interfaces 
in NetworkManager. In my opinion, on laptops commenting out interface in 
/etc/network/interfaces and so delegating it to NetworkManager has a 
clear advantage. Plugged in cable is detected immediately. With dhclient 
running by ifupdown, it may take some minutes till next DHCP request is 
sent.


Thanks for clarification, I never installed NetworkManager so this it 
seemed to me new.


The system may have significant changes in respect to defaults. 
Concerning NetworkManager, the following commands might give some 
additional info


    networkctl
    nmcli device
    nmcli connection
    /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --print-config

I am unsure if the line in /etc/network/interfaces had some effect since 
device name is enp19s0 and the file contained eth0.


On 13/03/2024 16:52, fran...@libero.it wrote:
[    2.771916] r8168: module verification failed: signature and/or 
required key missing - tainting kernel


tells that not r8169 from default kernel is used. What is the reason to 
install r8168 and what is its origin? r8168-dkms? From realtek site 
directly?


These questions are greats, sadly it's so hard to help Francesco 
(fran...@libero.it) he misses also the concept of variable assignment:


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/03/msg00332.html

I asked concerning more detailed lspci output and firmware package, but 
I have got no response. If firmware is installed then I would try 
backports kernel.


If cabling issues have been ruled out then perhaps it is time to ask in 
a realtek-related mailing list/forum/bugtracker.




I dunno, there are so many things unanswered…


https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Network_configuration/Ethernet

So after configured the interfaces, you could try to add "iommu=soft 
amd_iommu" to the kernel command-line


Even if it might help, do not forget to disable it if it has no effect. 
To verify


     cat /proc/cmdline


It had no effect, I already told to restore to Francesco but I haven't 
verified


https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/03/msg00336.html

he told that he has reverted the changes:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/03/msg00362.html

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Re: Bookworm Fasttrack and Virtualbox

[Xiyue Deng]

"Miguel A. Vallejo"  writes:

> Xiyue Deng  wrote:
>
>>
>> If you followed the fasttrack instruction on the website[1] literally,
>> you may be adding bullseye-fasttrack instead of bookworm-fasttrack where
>> the latter is what you wanted.
>>
>> [1] https://fasttrack.debian.net/
>>
>> --
>> Xiyue Deng
>>
>
> Of course I did it for Bookworm. The fact that the website is not yet
> updated for Bookworm is another thing that makes me think that fasttrack is
> abandoned.
>
>>

What I'm saying is that your added entries in the sources.list file are
referencing bullseye-fasttrack instead of bookworm-fasttrack.  The
evidence is in your error message:

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  virtualbox: Depends: python3 (< 3.10) but 3.11.2-1+b1 is to be installed
>   Depends: python3.9 but it is not installable
>   Depends: libgsoap-2.8.104 but it is not installable
>   Depends: libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.1) but it is not installable
>   Depends: libvpx6 (>= 1.6.0) but it is not installable
>   Recommends: virtualbox-qt (= 7.0 .6-dfsg-1~fto11+1) but it is
   ^
> not going to be installed
>   Recommends: libqt5opengl5 (>= 5.0.2) but it is not going to
> be installed
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.

See the version of virtualbox-qt has `fto11' instead of `fto12', while
looking at the repo I can find the build for fto12[1].  What's also
weird is that for all fasttrack supported releases I can only see
version 7.0.12 but no 7.0.6.  Anyway, can you paste your sources.list
entries for fasttrack?

[1] 
https://fasttrack.debian.net/debian-fasttrack/pool/contrib/v/virtualbox/virtualbox-qt_7.0.12-dfsg-1~fto12%2B1_amd64.deb

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Re: Debugging an USB array issue

[Marc SCHAEFER]

Hello,

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 06:54:38PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> I may be stating the obvious, but have you made sure the USB hub
> is providing enough power to keep your disks happy?

It's a 60W external power supply, for 4 disks.

Libreoffice y fuentes del paquete xfonts-scalable.

[Jose Ab bA]

Buenas debianer@s:

Pregunta de novato... en LibreOffice.

Quiero usar las fuentes tipograficas que contiene el paquete
xfonts-scalable.

Pero no soy capaz de hacer que LibreOffice las carge y me permita
utilizarlas.

En gimp sin problema (por ejemplo courier 10 pitch).

Alguna idea?

Como siempre gracias de antemano y un saludo para tod@s!

Jac.

Please terminate this faecal matter - the whole thread appears to be a troll.....Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Bret Busby]

On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote:

On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:

Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!


At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the 
atmosphere to combine it with calcium to make bones and armor, 
eventually eternal limestone, we have only about eighteen million years 
until Gaia commits suicide. Why should we continue to be complicit?


Read Patrick Moore. The Positive Impact of Human CO2 Emissions on the 
Survival of Life on Earth. Frontier Science for Public Policy, June 2016.




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Western Australia
(UTC+0800)
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Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Van Snyder]

On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!

At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the
atmosphere to combine it with calcium to make bones and armor,
eventually eternal limestone, we have only about eighteen million years
until Gaia commits suicide. Why should we continue to be complicit?

Read Patrick Moore. The Positive Impact of Human CO2 Emissions on the
Survival of Life on Earth. Frontier Science for Public Policy, June
2016.

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Will Mengarini]

* Mariusz Gronczewski  [24-02/23=Fr 10:33 +0100]:
>>> It's entirely US political feel-good activism that
>>> doesn't change anything but wastes people's time.  Do
>>> you actually think pressing on brake pedal oppresses
>>> anybody?  Because it also has master and slave cylinders.
>>>
>>> All it does is wastes tens of thousands of people's time
>>> once they have to fix every script, tool and doc piece
>>> related to it, for absolutely no benefit aside from making
>>> some Twitter activist happy "they did something".  It would
>>> *literally* break every single script that [...]

* Alain D D Williams  [24-02/23=Fr 10:07 +]:
>> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers.  Should
>> we scour our systems looking for similar issues in other
>> languages?  Then in, say, 20 years time when different words
>> will then be considered offensive, by some, do this all again?

* Emanuel Berg  [24-03/15=Fr 01:42 +0100]:
> Remember, there are A LOT of words and expressions
> we don't use anymore, and that's good, as
> they are offensive and disrespectful. [...]
>
> [...]
>
> Maybe one should just focus on a few words and expressions that
> are clearly offensive, and remove them from schools, universities,
> public service TV, all official state-related communication, etc.
>
> With no intention of ever creating a 100% offensive-free language,
> removing the worst offenders from the scene often is enough.

Words I find offensive include "authority" and "manager", so checking
`apropos authori manager` I see we have a lot of important work to do.

We also need to do something about book titles like "Mastering $Foo".

Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!

Re: Debugging an USB array issue

[tomas]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 05:32:30PM +0100, Marc SCHAEFER wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> on a Debian bullseye uptodate system [1], I experiment frequent (every
> 3-4 hours on heavy load) disk disconnections from a md RAID10 array with
> 4 drives connected to an USB 1M adapter [2].
> 
> Errors do not look like a timeout, but like a DMA error [3].

I may be stating the obvious, but have you made sure the USB hub
is providing enough power to keep your disks happy?

Cheers
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Re: Debugging an USB array issue

[Dan Ritter]

Marc SCHAEFER wrote: 
> on a Debian bullseye uptodate system [1], I experiment frequent (every
> 3-4 hours on heavy load) disk disconnections from a md RAID10 array with
> 4 drives connected to an USB 1M adapter [2].
> 
> Errors do not look like a timeout, but like a DMA error [3].
> 
> Immediately after, the disk reappears as a new drive name and can be
> re-added quickly to the md RAID array (I am doing those tests with a
> read-only mounted filesystem for obvious reasons).
> 
> Initially, I was wondering if it was maybe a disk doing a too long
> recovery procedure, but it is to be noted that it's not always the same
> disk which has an error, and smartctl -a shows no recorded errors for
> any of the 4 drives [4]. The drives are connected to a SATA-to-USB
> enclosure [6].
> 
> This is on a 3.1 USB PCI-Express card [5].
> 
> I already applied this work-around (which does not seem to apply to a
> non-idle system):
>echo -1 > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend
> 
> What would be your recommandations?  I have thought about downgrading to
> a slower port (it should not be much different with 5000M), changing the
> cable, or maybe it's the enclosure?

I have never had long-term happiness with multiple disks
connected via USB. I strongly recommend that you find a 4 or 8
disk SATA/SAS PCIe card -- an LSI 2008, for example -- and connect
through that, instead. US prices are $40-45 new. Add $15 for an 8087-to-4xSATA
cable, you will have happiness for less than $75.

-dsr-

Re: Debugging an USB array issue

[Marc SCHAEFER]

Hello,

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:30:08PM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote:
> I have never had long-term happiness with multiple disks
> connected via USB. I strongly recommend that you find a 4 or 8
> disk SATA/SAS PCIe card -- an LSI 2008, for example -- and connect
> through that, instead. US prices are $40-45 new. Add $15 for an 8087-to-4xSATA
> cable, you will have happiness for less than $75.

Interesting. I will keep the idea in mind.  I also had a prejudice against USB
in the beginning.

However: I have a similar disk array running 24h/24h for the last three years
on a Debian buster with no problem. I am going to upgrade this system soon, so
if there is something bad with bullseye's kernel I would love to learn about
it :)

Debugging an USB array issue

[Marc SCHAEFER]

Hello,

on a Debian bullseye uptodate system [1], I experiment frequent (every
3-4 hours on heavy load) disk disconnections from a md RAID10 array with
4 drives connected to an USB 1M adapter [2].

Errors do not look like a timeout, but like a DMA error [3].

Immediately after, the disk reappears as a new drive name and can be
re-added quickly to the md RAID array (I am doing those tests with a
read-only mounted filesystem for obvious reasons).

Initially, I was wondering if it was maybe a disk doing a too long
recovery procedure, but it is to be noted that it's not always the same
disk which has an error, and smartctl -a shows no recorded errors for
any of the 4 drives [4]. The drives are connected to a SATA-to-USB
enclosure [6].

This is on a 3.1 USB PCI-Express card [5].

I already applied this work-around (which does not seem to apply to a
non-idle system):
   echo -1 > /sys/module/usbcore/parameters/autosuspend

What would be your recommandations?  I have thought about downgrading to
a slower port (it should not be much different with 5000M), changing the
cable, or maybe it's the enclosure?

Or is this a known issue (maybe with the xhci_hd driver) and I should
try another driver?

Thank you for any idea or pointer.



[1] Linux video 5.10.0-28-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.209-2 (2024-01-31) x86_64 
GNU/Linux
[2] 
/:  Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/2p, 1M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/4p, 1M
|__ Port 2: Dev 5, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 5000M
|__ Port 1: Dev 4, If 0, Class=Hub, Driver=hub/4p, 1M
|__ Port 3: Dev 8, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=uas, 1M
|__ Port 1: Dev 6, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=uas, 1M
|__ Port 4: Dev 10, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=uas, 1M
|__ Port 2: Dev 7, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=uas, 1M
|__ Port 2: Dev 3, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 5000M
[3]
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.383180] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Set TR 
Deq Ptr cmd invalid because of stream ID configuration
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.386754] DMAR: DRHD: handling fault status 
reg 3
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.386762] DMAR: [DMA Write] Request device 
[01:00.0] PASID  fault addr f98be000 [fault reason 05] PTE Write access 
is not set
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.386774] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#5 data 
cmplt err -75 uas-tag 1 inflight: CMD
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.386780] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#5 CDB: 
Read(16) 88 00 00 00 00 01 5e 1d 88 00 00 00 01 00 00 00
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.479406] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Event 
TRB for slot 12 ep 10 with no TDs queued?
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.479708] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Set TR 
deq ptr command for freed stream ID 38885
Mar 15 17:08:06 video kernel: [ 6607.510551] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Event 
TRB for slot 12 ep 10 with no TDs queued?
[ ... many ... ]
Mar 15 17:08:13 video kernel: [ 6614.443826] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#2 
uas_eh_abort_handler 0 uas-tag 3 inflight: CMD IN
Mar 15 17:08:13 video kernel: [ 6614.443829] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#2 CDB: ATA 
command pass through(12)/Blank a1 08 2e d0 01 00 4f c2 00 b0 00 00
Mar 15 17:08:13 video kernel: [ 6614.457969] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Event 
TRB for slot 12 ep 10 with no TDs queued?
Mar 15 17:08:13 video kernel: [ 6614.458274] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Set TR 
deq ptr command for freed stream ID 38885
[ ... many ... ]
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497696] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#5 FAILED 
Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE cmd_age=19s
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497725] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#5 Sense Key 
: Illegal Request [current]
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497731] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#5 Add. 
Sense: Invalid command operation code
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497739] sd 18:0:0:0: [sde] tag#5 CDB: 
Read(16) 88 00 00 00 00 01 5e 1d 88 00 00 00 01 00 00 00
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497746] blk_update_request: critical 
target error, dev sde, sector 5873960960 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x0 phys_seg 32 
prio class 0
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497755] md/raid10:md0: sde: rescheduling 
sector 11747394560
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497801] usb 3-1.1.4: stat urb: no pending 
cmd for uas-tag 3
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.497807] md/raid10:md0: sdd: redirecting 
sector 11747394560 to another mirror
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.519426] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Event 
TRB for slot 12 ep 10 with no TDs queued?
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.519719] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Set TR 
deq ptr command for freed stream ID 38885
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.550583] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Event 
TRB for slot 12 ep 10 with no TDs queued?
Mar 15 17:08:25 video kernel: [ 6626.550875] xhci_hcd :01:00.0: WARN Set TR 
deq ptr command for freed 

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Emanuel Berg]

Mike Castle wrote:

> Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any
> type of explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements
> leading to that conclusion?

Relax, everyone does something somewhere. But it would be
a boring world if they were only allowed to talk about that.

-- 
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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Emanuel Berg]

Alain D D Williams wrote:

> That is the big difference. Not use words *currently* deemed
> offensive in *new* publications (books, newspaper articles,
> ...) - this is not hard to do.

Indeed, and that is what you should focus on. The past is the
past anyway.

> What we are faced with is something very different: a call
> to locate and modify use in programs that might have been
> written a long time ago. The effort needed to do this is
> large and will doubtless cause failures in systems that have
> been working well for years.

I must admit the whole concept of source code being offensive
is a bit bizarre to me. For anyone to really change that it in
a way that makes sense it must be a really offensive word and
a general understanding that people reading and writing the
code really reacts negatively to it. Because in my experience,
people who do this kind of politics aren't typically
programmers, even.

But I may be wrong and from a technical perspective, it is
possible to change source, obviously.

> It is not just a matter of modifying Debian (+ RedHat + ...)
> sources but the sources on private systems.

I think it is a bad idea to go for a clean sweep. That either
don't work or end up like the Khmer Rouge. It is enough to
remove the most offensive words and expressions, whatever they
are, from the most public platforms.

> We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will
> not be doing the work.

Ah, it is okay for people to have opinions and voice them
without doing stuff. But sometimes such people somehow get
into positions of authority and, worst case scenario, force
people who have been doing stuff for ages out of
their projects. That's horrible but such instances should not
be blamed on the general "opinions but no work" personality,
who is actually quite harmless.

-- 
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https://dataswamp.org/~incal

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[tomas]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 09:01:30AM -0700, Mike Castle wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams  wrote:
> > We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
> > work.
> 
> Was that explicitly stated anywhere?  Or is the lack of any type of
> explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements leading to that
> conclusion?

My humble take: just a troll in search of food.

Cheers
-- 
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Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Mike Castle]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams  wrote:
> We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
> work.

Was that explicitly stated anywhere?  Or is the lack of any type of
explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements leading to that
conclusion?

mrc

Re: Bookworm, fail2ban and sshd

[Michael Meckler]

I have fail2ban working for sshd on Bookworm. My jail.local file looks like 
this:

[sshd]

bantime = 2d
enabled  = true
mode = extra
port = 
filter   = sshd[mode=aggressive]
backend  = systemd
journalmatch = _SYSTEMD_UNIT=ssh.service + _COMM=sshd
maxretry = 1
findtime = 300

Re: Bookworm, fail2ban and sshd

[Curt]

On 2024-03-14, Charles Curley  wrote:
> I'm trying to set fail2ban up on bookworm. It refuses to run with the
> default configuration (sshd only), reporting:

I guess it's this old bug:
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=770171

> Failed during configuration: Have not found any log file for sshd jail
>
> Near as I can figure, fail2ban expects sshd's log file to be
> /var/log/auth.log. Which does not exist on my target machine.
>
> On a brief inspection, machines that have new installations of bookworm
> do not have /var/log/auth.log. Machines running bullseye or upgraded
> from bullseye to bookworm have it.
>
> Commenting out sshd's "enabled" line (in
> /etc/fail2ban/jail.d/defaults-debian.conf) allows the daemon to start,
> but it isn't doing anything useful.
>


-- 

Re: Bookworm Fasttrack and Virtualbox

[Miguel A. Vallejo]

Xiyue Deng  wrote:

>
> If you followed the fasttrack instruction on the website[1] literally,
> you may be adding bullseye-fasttrack instead of bookworm-fasttrack where
> the latter is what you wanted.
>
> [1] https://fasttrack.debian.net/
>
> --
> Xiyue Deng
>

Of course I did it for Bookworm. The fact that the website is not yet
updated for Bookworm is another thing that makes me think that fasttrack is
abandoned.

>

Re: finger causing kernel seg fault

[Ralph Aichinger]

On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 09:12 +, Michael Grant wrote:
> I use tmux on my server.  tmux creates multiple pttys.  When I run
> finger, I see an error like this:
> 
> $ finger
> finger: /dev//pts/6: No such file or directory
> 
> and in the log, I see:
> 
> /var/log/syslog:Mar 15 05:06:18 strange kernel: [2740248.159942]
> finger[1987858]: segfault at 1c ip 55b1c20baad5 sp


I had similar problems in my Raspberry Pi running native Debian arm64,
I have filed this bug about it:

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1018879

/ralph

finger causing kernel seg fault

[Michael Grant]

I use tmux on my server.  tmux creates multiple pttys.  When I run 
finger, I see an error like this:


$ finger
finger: /dev//pts/6: No such file or directory

and in the log, I see:

/var/log/syslog:Mar 15 05:06:18 strange kernel: [2740248.159942] 
finger[1987858]: segfault at 1c ip 55b1c20baad5 sp 7ffc8878b8b0 
error 4 in finger[55b1c20b9000+3000] likely on CPU 1 (core 1, socket 0)
/var/log/syslog:Mar 15 05:06:18 strange kernel: [2740248.161979] Code: 
7b 20 00 0f 85 cc fe ff ff 31 c0 48 8d 3d 80 18 00 00 e8 7e 0f 00 00 83 
7b 08 01 0f 85 d0 fe ff ff 48 8d 7b 18 e8 8b e8 ff ff <8b> 70 1c 85 f6 
0f 85 d0 00 00 00 8b 70 08 8b 50 04 85 f6 0f 85 f2


I do not see pts/6 being used:

$ w
 04:56:14 up 31 days, 17:01,  6 users,  load average: 0.68, 0.20, 0.06
USER TTY  FROM   LOGIN@   IDLE   JCPU   PCPU WHAT
mgrant   pts/01.2.3.4Tue127:53m  0.32s  0.32s -tcsh
mgrant   pts/11.2.3.403:573.00s  0.03s  0.03s tmux 
attach

mgrant   pts/2tmux(1243630).%0   02Mar24  3.00s  0.18s  0.01s w
mgrant   pts/3tmux(1243630).%1   02Mar24 12days 29.02s 29.02s emacs
mgrant   pts/4tmux(1243630).%2   04Mar24 32:52m  0.05s  0.05s -bash

w reports one more user than there seems to be in the utmp.  I didn't 
close a tmux window but i have disconnected and reconnected several 
times.  If I start enough tmux windows and one happens to end up on the 
missing pts, the error goes away.  I'm not sure if this is a bug in 
finger, tmux, or something that manages the utmp getting out of sync.  
Any ideas what to do about this?


Michael Grant

Ethernet not working on a Dell notebook

[frantal]

Here part of the command "dmesg" I tried to scroll back, then select all and 
copy, but I didn't see all the answer of the command. I don't know how to do it!

Meanwhile I cancelled what I wrote on /etc/default/grub and now it is as it was 
originally.

Reboot also didn't help.

Thanks again for the help

Francesco

Re: Inclusive terminology (instead of master/slave) for network bonding/LACP

[Alain D D Williams]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:42:25AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Mike Castle wrote:
> 
> >> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers.
> >> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in
> >> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different
> >> words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this
> >> all again?
> >
> > Yes.
> 
> Remember, there are A LOT of words and expressions we don't
> use anymore, and that's good, as they are offensive and
> disrespectful. But once they were perfectly normal. Still, one
> by one, they have disappeared from active use.

That is the big difference. Not use words *currently* deemed offensive in *new*
publications (books, newspaper articles, ...) - this is not hard to do. What we
are faced with is something very different: a call to locate and modify use in
programs that might have been written a long time ago. The effort needed to do
this is large and will doubtless cause failures in systems that have been
working well for years.

It is not just a matter of modifying Debian (+ RedHat + ...) sources but the
sources on private systems.

We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
work.

-- 
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Linux/GNU Consultant - Mail systems, Web sites, Networking, Programmer, IT 
Lecturer.
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Re: Bookworm Fasttrack and Virtualbox

[Xiyue Deng]

"Miguel A. Vallejo"  writes:

> Hello!
>
> This evening I tried to install virtualbox into a fresh Bookworm install. I
> followed the steps in Virtualbox's Debian Wiki entry. After set up
> fasttrack repository successfully and issue a apt install virtualbox
> command I get:
>
>
>
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree... Done
> Reading state information... Done
> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
> or been moved out of Incoming.
> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
>
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  virtualbox: Depends: python3 (< 3.10) but 3.11.2-1+b1 is to be installed
>   Depends: python3.9 but it is not installable
>   Depends: libgsoap-2.8.104 but it is not installable
>   Depends: libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.1) but it is not installable
>   Depends: libvpx6 (>= 1.6.0) but it is not installable
>   Recommends: virtualbox-qt (= 7.0 .6-dfsg-1~fto11+1) but it is
> not going to be installed
>   Recommends: libqt5opengl5 (>= 5.0.2) but it is not going to
> be installed
> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
>
>
>
> I was surprised by the python 3.9 dependency, it leads me to think
> fasttrack repos are abandoned? What is the right way to install virtualbox
> in Debian Bookworm?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Miguel A. Vallejo

If you followed the fasttrack instruction on the website[1] literally,
you may be adding bullseye-fasttrack instead of bookworm-fasttrack where
the latter is what you wanted.

[1] https://fasttrack.debian.net/

-- 
Xiyue Deng