On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 21:33:37 -0500
David Wright wrote:
> On Mon 20 Apr 2020 at 13:13:50 (-0400), Celejar wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 10:19:13 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > about Debian on non-Debian platforms (like Stac
better than ours. Do they just have more community-minded users?
Celejar
bugs that aren't
necessarily security vulnerabilities have indeed been fixed. [3]
[1]
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/getting-debian.en.html#updatestable
[2] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases/PointReleases
[3] https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200208
Celejar
to-attacks-that-execute-malicious-code/
They were using SHA2565 checksums to verify packages, not GPG signing,
but the vulnerability was caused by buggy code that allowed the hash
check to be bypassed, which I suppose could hit a GPG based system
as well ...
Celejar
to 130.89.148.77. Assuming you then connect to that IP address
> through your ISP, there's nothing to stop them performing a reverse DNS
> lookup on it.
To prevent that that I suppose you'll also have to setup a VPN to your
VPS ...
Celejar
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:13:11 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > why would they be limited by whatever the OS supports? Surely their
> > malware can easily include an internal DoH implementation,
>
> They needn't use DNS at all. Hard coded IPs work fin
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 05:45:45 -0400
Lee wrote:
> On 4/13/20, Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 08:47:22 +0300
> > Reco wrote:
> >
> >>Hi.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 07:46:38PM -0400, Lee wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
>
vate-dns-with-1-1-1-1-on-android-9-pie/
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/how-to-enable-dns-over-tls-in-android-pie/
Celejar
On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 10:43:29 -0500
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > I seem to have memory leaks with recent Firefox (currently 74.0.1-1
> > from Sid) - memory use goes slowly but steadily up, and eventually
> > gets maxed out and the system grinds to a halt. It takes
.maxmind.com/en/locate-my-ip-address
>
> and it nails my location approximately within a 50 meter radius (I
> entered the latitudinal and longitudinal coordinate output into Google's
> search engine, which brings up the spot in their Maps app).
>
> I found this surprising (in my vast ignorance).
Both maxmind and geoip.com put me about three miles from my actual
location (both at the same point).
Celejar
format:
~$ apt-cache search maxmind | wc
26 2411820
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ystem grinds to a halt. It takes a while for this to
happen, but I find myself eventually needing to kill and restart
Firefox.
> irritation of being required to create a new profile every time I
> upgrade Firefox).
Interesting - apparently some people get this, but some don't (I update
regularly from the Sid repos, and I don't generally see this).
Celejar
erators can be.
+1
Moderation seems eminently reasonable on paper, but in practice, my
experiences with it have been generally bad (stack exchange sites, some
other mailing lists).
Celejar
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 17:41:54 +0200
wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:41:12AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:37:24 +0300
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> >
> > > On Du, 12 apr 20, 09:17:18, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Apr 12
ng? [The objection Andrei
notes here is specifically countered by the "curl | bash" defenders,
although even I can see that the counter is not as strong as the
objection.]
[1]
https://sandstorm.io/news/2015-09-24-is-curl-bash-insecure-pgp-verified-install
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12766049
Celejar
On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 07:18:04 -0400
Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Apr 05, 2020, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 21:11:33 -0400
> > Dan Purgert wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 03, 2020, Celejar wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:46:00 -0400
> > > >
ted in moving to python3, but
it's not clear when / if this will happen. Discussion:
https://marc.info/?l=getmail&m=157365887605305&w=2
Celejar
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 21:11:33 -0400
Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Apr 03, 2020, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:46:00 -0400
> > Dan Purgert wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 03, 2020, Celejar wrote:
> > > > [...]
> > > > Fair enough -
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 12:46:00 -0400
Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Apr 03, 2020, Celejar wrote:
> > [...]
> > Fair enough - but has anyone looked into, say, Jitsi Meet's default
> > settings? Do they block non-hosts from screen sharing?
>
> IIRC, jit.si (their w
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 16:14:26 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-02, Celejar wrote:
> >>
> >> I was just reading this little item about zoom from the G-men (actually,
> >> Kristen is a Boston G-woman, apparently):
> >>
> >> https://www.fb
locale-than-your-default
It looks like the alsa system does see the camera as an audio device,
so it should be just a matter of getting your applications to use it.
Can you get the other applications I mentioned (ffmpeg, mpv) to record
audio from the camera?
> Hoping for more help,
>
> Bernard
f concerns
Looks like it's not just techies and privacy nerds who are concerned - the
financial markets have taken notice:
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/guid/b7c418b4-7433-11ea-8a54-63f9ee54c9d9
Celejar
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 14:56:26 +0200
wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 02, 2020 at 12:13:24PM -, Curt wrote:
> > On 2020-04-01, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > This thread isn't too encouraging (though I'm uncertain about the exact
> > nature of the participants):
&
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 12:13:24 - (UTC)
Curt wrote:
> On 2020-04-01, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > How easy is it in practice to install on Debian? The following statement
> > in the FAQ scared me off:
> >
> > *
> >
> > BigBlueButton requires U
tem about zoom from the G-men (actually,
> Kristen is a Boston G-woman, apparently):
>
> https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/boston/news/press-releases/fbi-warns-of-teleconferencing-and-online-classroom-hijacking-during-covid-19-pandemic
To be fair, at least this particular piece is not really about Zoom
security or privacy failings, but about users failing to take advantage
of the provided privacy and access controls.
Celejar
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 14:50:40 +
"Russell L. Harris" wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 08:58:16AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >I am indeed strongly tempted to try that. I suppose I'm just spoiled by
> >Debian - I almost always install stuff from the repos, and I tend t
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 17:14:29 +0200
Bernard wrote:
> testing with cheese, it doesn't record any sound. Thanks in advance for
Try testing the camera with other software, e.g., ffmpeg, mpv, vlc:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Webcam_setup
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
Celejar
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 19:27:37 +0300
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Mi, 01 apr 20, 08:58:16, Celejar wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 03:57:17 +
> > "Russell L. Harris" wrote:
> >
> > > server. And Jitsi is open source. What more could you ask?
> >
&
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 09:11:55 +0200
juh wrote:
> Am 01.04.20 um 01:09 schrieb Celejar:
> > I spend some time today trying to find a libre alternative to Zoom,
> > preferably one in the Debian repos, but came up empty. The closest I
> > found were indeed Jitsi Meet (a part of
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 03:57:17 +
"Russell L. Harris" wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 07:09:35PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >Actually, *no* official Debian repository currently contains Jitsi. It
> >was removed in 2017, apparently due to QA issues, although I don&
the logic should carry over:
http://docs.bigbluebutton.org/support/faq.html#what-are-the-bandwidth-requirements-for-running-a-bigbluebutton-server
Celejar
BlueButton, libre but designed to be installed on a Ubuntu
system. I'm actually puzzled by why there doesn't seem to be any easy,
solid libre alternative to Zoom.
Celejar
ugh I do use Firefox heavily).
The included Nvidia GM108GLM [Quadro K620M / Quadro M500M]
(rev a2) GPU (in an Optimus configuration alongside the Intel GPU), on
the other hand, has given me a great deal of trouble to get working
effectively.
Celejar
that will
frustrate you until you get used to them - but it does work
beautifully once you get the hang of it. Feel free to ask questions!
Celejar
> <~ 221 ccx.websitewelcome.com closing connection
> === Connection closed with remote host.
Take a look at:
https://www.hostgator.com/help/article/535-incorrect-authentication-data
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14297264/password-not-accepted-from-server-535-incorrect-authentication-data-when-send/44564332#44564332
https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer/issues/1074
Celejar
which passwd.client
> file should not be readable by ordinary user at all.
Or postfix, which works similarly.
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are sometimes missing
essential features. I eventually bit the bullet and went back to a
full-blown, solid smtp system (postfix).
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917932
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917559
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=917260
Celejar
don't know where to start). And (b)
> always think that there are ~3000 readers of this list, so do fix
> your subjects when swerving off-topic. And, oh, (c) accept that there
> are other views, and that (gasp!) they might be right.
+10
Celejar
;ll need to add the "non-free" option to your "/etc/apt/sources.list",
Small but important correction: it's not generally the drivers that are
non-free, but the firmware. The difference is that drivers run on the
system running Debian, while the firmware is uploaded to the NIC and
runs on that. This distinction may or may not matter to you, depending
on your political / ethical / technical perspectives, but it should be
understood.
Celejar
On Mon, 23 Dec 2019 20:11:07 -0600
Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Thanks for the tips!
Sure! Let us know if you hack together anything interesting.
Celejar
the standard
tool to sync local data with cloud storage providers, assuming you
don't have access to the cloud storage via traditional protocals like
ssh and rsync.)
Celejar
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 12:35:06 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > ...the problem only occurs when tethering.
>
> I wrote:
> > Which is the only time the cellular encapsulation is being done.
>
> Celejar writes:
> > Understood. I had been respon
cron.
> In other words, instead of a configuration file, the system would just use
> bash
> scripts with the appropriate commands, and invoked at the appropriate time by
> cron (or with all backup commands in one script with backup times specified
> with at or similar).
I much prefer a configuration file with declarative syntax, like the
one rsnapshot uses, to hardcoding stuff into scripts, but I'm no expert,
and you are certainly entitled to your own preferences.
Celejar
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 21:46:29 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > ...the problem only occurs when tethering.
>
> Which is the only time the cellular encapsulation is being done.
Understood. I had been responding to your point about the wifi
encapsulation.
Celejar
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 13:58:38 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > I assume the phone first just routes them from wifi to cellular. I'm
> > not familiar with how it then transmits them over the cellular link.
>
> It has to encapsulate them in some way
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:29:08 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > I'm not that familiar with the internals, but basically, the phone
> > presents a wifi access point, the computer connects to it as it would
> > to any AP, and the phone apparently rout
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 07:47:18 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > It does work (and to automate it, I'll probably put it in e/n/i with a
> > post-up line) - I'm just looking for the "right" way to do it (and to
> > undo it on connection down,
NAT64
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_transition_mechanisms#464XLAT
Celejar
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:27:51 +0300
Reco wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 04:54:17PM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > But the IPv6 address e:f:g:h:i:j:k:l is not actually configured
> > anywhere on the router (as shown by 'ip a' and other tools)!
>
m just looking for the "right" way to do it (and to
undo it on connection down, as I discussed in another message in this
thread).
Celejar
On Wed, 18 Dec 2019 02:30:01 -0500
Anthony DeRobertis wrote:
> On 12/17/19 11:39 AM, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > Now I just have have to figure out the best place to configure this.
> > I'm using dhcp via /etc/network/interfaces, but the 'dhcp' method
> > doe
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 13:38:59 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> Celejar writes:
> > ...on my normal network connection, with
> > the MTU left at the normal 1500, I have no problems.
>
> What *kind* of connection?
Verizon Fios residential. But I have used my system with dozens
www.verizon.com/support/residential/internet/getting-started/learn-about-ipv6
https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32136440-Networking-IPv6-working
Celejar
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 12:53:21 -0600
John Hasler wrote:
> tomas writes:
> > I don't know the error message by heart, but here, it seems
> > the message size is too big for your local MTU...
>
> Celejar writes:
> > Yes, I think this is pretty clear. The local wif
On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 07:15:21 +0100
wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 10:37:12PM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a Debian Sid system with generally working networking. Recently,
> > I experienced some strange connectivity problems with a partic
n either set the MTU lower on the client, or
do MSS clamping. Any suggestions? Is this something Mint / T-Mobile, or
someone upstream, is just messing up?
[1] E.g.,
https://www.reddit.com/r/WireGuard/comments/cy13jt/tls_handshake_errors_behind_wireguard_vpn/
Celejar
asswords - but it's
still not the stateless utopia promised by the developer.
...
> Your device is stolen or destroyed? You can recover your passwords if
> you can remember your own name and the master password. How about that?
And your site counters - although I suppose trial and error would work
if you haven't changed a password too many times.
Celejar
alks away from
> the machine and leaves it running (and an attacker doesn't get there
> before gpg-agent evicts the password from the cache), and similar cases.
Celejar
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 01:49:14 -0300
riveravaldez wrote:
> On 12/10/19, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 06:48:12 +0100
> > wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> >> One example for the other side of the pond is riseup.net -- but they
> >> don&#
On Wed, 11 Dec 2019 06:41:29 +0100
wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 09:57:14PM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 06:48:12 +0100
> > wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > One example for the other side of the pond is riseup.net -- but they
> &g
alism and other forms of oppression.""
Celejar
On Tue, 10 Dec 2019 21:43:55 +
Brian wrote:
> On Mon 09 Dec 2019 at 18:35:46 -0500, Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 19:34:29 +
> > Brian wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon 09 Dec 2019 at 14:10:56 -0500, Celejar wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
g them all can be difficult,
particularly those that are used infrequently. For most people it is
better to pick strong passphrases, write them down and keep them in a
very safe place. There may be legal advantages to memorizing your key,
however.
http://world.std.com/%7Ereinhold/dicewarefaq.html
Celejar
On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 19:34:29 +
Brian wrote:
> On Mon 09 Dec 2019 at 14:10:56 -0500, Celejar wrote:
...
> > Although I almost always use it with its --secure option, since I
> > don't try to memorize passwords, but instead record them (in a plain
> > text file) - wh
/Articles/714473/
I suppose that this is just a better, more scalable / manageable
version of what I'm doing by hand - generating secure passwords and
recording them to disk. I'm going to look into it.
Celejar
mp;package=owncloud
https://owncloud.org/news/upgrading-owncloud-on-debian-stable-to-official-packages/
Celejar
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 00:09:15 +0200
Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Jo, 05 dec 19, 12:30:49, Celejar wrote:
> > On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:17:46 +0200
> > Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > >
> > > The free account is quite restricted (500 MB, 150 messages per day).
> > &g
kind of standards (POP / IMAP / SMTP) support (and even the
paid accounts require something called the ProtonMail Bridge, still in
beta for linux and available by invitation only). I really don't want
to use webmail - am I missing something?
Celejar
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 23:33:10 -0300
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
Thanks for the help (and for your work on the thinkpad-acpi driver).
> On Sun, 01 Dec 2019, Celejar wrote:
> > 1) Most of the function keys don't seem to have scancodes / keycodes
> > (evtest doesn't
ilure of the kernel? Some of the ones that have no keycodes do work,
however (F5-7). Is this happening through the BIOS or something at a
lower level than the kernel?
2) How do the function keys that are supposed to do stuff in Windows
work? If they don't send scancodes, how do they communicate with the
operating system, and how can they be used under Linux?
3) Why doesn't F4 do anything (the microphone continues to work
regardless of my pressing F4)?
Celejar
[Please don't top post, and please try to use a mail client that quotes
properly.]
On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 22:08:13 + (UTC)
D&P Dimov wrote:
> On Saturday, November 30, 2019, 10:08:20 PM EST, Celejar
> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:52:13 + (UTC)
> D&a
using virt-manager. With virt-manager, it's a
simple matter of going to the VM's details, clicking the "Add Hardware"
button, clicking "USB Host Device" from the list, and then selecting
the desired USB Host Device from the next list.
The term generally used for this is "USB passthrough".
Celejar
manual calls the systemd method the "modern
network configuration" method, and the ifupdown method the "legacy
network connection and configuration" method.
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch05.en.html#_the_modern_network_configuration_without_gui
Celejar
;t have
thumbnail previews, but navigating through PDFs with mupdf can actually
be quite efficient. For example, just type a number followed by enter
to go to that page, or type "/somestring" followed by enter to search
and navigate to the appropriate page (followed by "n" and so on to jump
to subsequent matches).
Celejar
the command line, it issues a warning
> > > Icon theme "crystalsvg" not found.
> >
> > Hi, try this:
> >
> > https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=crystalsvg&mode=filename&suite=stable&arch=any
> >
> >
Celejar
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 00:04:17 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > I don't get it - IIUC, this sort of thing will work if a given system
> > is always available via a remote connection. In such a case, we can set
> > up the routes so that clients on th
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:44:44 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > Furthermore, changing the addressing scheme is insufficient to solve
> > the problem: say the home network uses 10.0.0.0/16, and the VPN is
> > configured to assign the same address to the
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:35:48 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure exactly what networking scheme you're describing, but I
> > explained why there's no easy, good solution in the original thread.
> > Basically, the home network
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:25:27 -0400
Celejar wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:13:31 -0400
> Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 08:56:19AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > Basically, the home network uses 192.168.0.0/24, as do other LANS I
> > > connect
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 12:55:32 -0400
Dan Ritter wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:14:59 -0400
> > Gene Heskett wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday 25 October 2019 09:13:31 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 0
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 10:14:59 -0400
Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Friday 25 October 2019 09:13:31 Greg Wooledge wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 08:56:19AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > Basically, the home network uses 192.168.0.0/24, as do other LANS I
> > > connect t
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:13:31 -0400
Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 08:56:19AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > Basically, the home network uses 192.168.0.0/24, as do other LANS I
> > connect to.
>
> So change your home network.
I suppose I could, I just didn't
On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 09:25:41 +0200
deloptes wrote:
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > We had a long thread about this back in April [0], but no good solution
> > was presented, so I decided to design a framework to address this
> > problem. It's probably overkill, but
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:03:14 -0400
Celejar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've been bedeviled by this question for a while, but have been unable
> to figure out a clean, non-hackish solution. It may be an XY problem ...
>
> I have a system (laptop, running Debian) that is sometimes
les/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
[ 9.205] (II) Module modesetting: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[ 9.206] (II) modesetting: Driver for Modesetting Kernel Drivers: kms
How can I track down and fix what's going on here?
Celejar
en "mailto:"; links) will create an appropriate email in
an email client.
Celejar
the error (at least in my case). Any further
suggestions?
Celejar
r
> it is that computers can't do yet.
http://nomodes.com/Larry_Tesler_Consulting/Adages_and_Coinages.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect
Celejar
;t disappeared or been reduced, but the spam fighters have impacted
The potential fallacy here is that spam may not have been reduced from
its levels of previous years, but the real question is whether it is
less than it would be *today* without the efforts of the spam fighters.
Celejar
bed, and we certainly honor unsubscribe requests.
Celejar
ot spam. And just the fact that you think you got an
But IIUC, it's not just that *you* don't spam: other servers will take
into account things like your IP "neighborhood":
https://luxsci.com/blog/how-do-i-fix-the-reputation-of-my-ip-address.html
And, of course, who had that IP address before you, which practically
means that you need a static IP address.
Celejar
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 20:50:05 +0100
Joe wrote:
> On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:19:37 -0400
> Celejar wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:23:44 +0200
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 06:26:20PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > O
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:33:55 +0200
Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> On Mon 19/Aug/2019 18:05:57 +0200 Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:21:40 +0200
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:06:33AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> >>
> >> [...]
>
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:21:40 +0200
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:06:33AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I'd love to run my own mail stack, and I think I could handle the
> > software deployment reasonably well, but from everything I've read,
>
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 17:19:58 +0200
wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 09:47:55AM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:32:31 +0200
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:15:45PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > On Sun,
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 11:33:52 +0200
Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> On Mon 19/Aug/2019 03:15:45 +0200 Celejar wrote:
> > I think terming Google's decision to call software that doesn't
> > implement OAuth "less secure" "evil" is hyperbole that doesn
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:32:31 +0200
wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 09:15:45PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 23:43:35 +0200
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 05:19:28PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:10:
On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 10:23:44 +0200
wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 06:26:20PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 22:52:07 +0200
> > wrote:
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> >I certainly need to use numerous sites (bill
> > paying, banking, etc.)
On Sun, 18 Aug 2019 23:43:35 +0200
wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 18, 2019 at 05:19:28PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 10:10:35 +0200
> > wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > > > less secure apps" option, and then configure POP3 / SMTP normally.
> >
's it.
Question: is this due to a belief that such sites are (at least for
your use cases) at best marginally more useful than their non-JS
utilizing alternatives, or due to a desire to punish such sites or an
ethical objection to them? I certainly need to use numerous sites (bill
paying, banking, etc.) that require JS to function.
Celejar
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