Re: Substitute for archivemail
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022, 5:36 AM riveravaldez
wrote:
> On 8/30/22, Anssi Saari wrote:
> > Leandro Noferini writes:
> >
> >> In these days I upgraded the server to bullseye and so I have not yet
> >> archivemail: what could I use as subsitute?
> >
> > I wonder about that too,
>
> Hi, not an archivemail user, but just in case it's useful: you can
> check the right column bottom section ('Similar packages') on Debian's
> archivemail package page to see if there's something relevant there
> (and if it's available in newer Debian versions):
>
> https://packages.debian.org/buster/archivemail
Okay. So archivemail hasn't been updated for Python 3 yet.
Kind regards!
Best regards,
Kenneth Parker
Re: Debian desktop environment
On Sat, May 28, 2022, 11:08 AM Cindy Sue Causey wrote: > On 5/28/22, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Brian wrote: > >> > Careful! If you go on like this you will end up installing bullseye > :). > > > > Keith Bainbridge wrote: > >> Bookworm? > >> SID? > > > > In any case: Not Testing ! > > > > Currently a zillion of packages get marked for autoremovial from Testing > > because of > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1011268 > > > Yeehaw to that! About 3 mornings ago, I woke up to 71 emails > containing the "marked for autoremoval" advisement. All appear to be > tied to accessibility (A11Y). Have mercy, it's all the bigger chat > topics: edbrowse, espeakup, fenrir, *orca*. I've NEVER seen that > quantity before and especially not those packages, but that's likely > just because of which lists I follow. > So *that* is what all those emails were about. I had to use Bullseye as Testing for, over a month, due to the level of the qemu package (as Buster's was lower than Mint). I am *sure* glad I didn't try that with Bookworm! (Yes, I had a major issue with Mint 20 and won't use Mint anymore). > > Cindy :) > -- > Talking Rock, Pickens County, Georgia, USA > * runs with birdseed * >
Re: setting path for root after "sudo su" and "sudo" for Debian Bullseye (11)
On Thu, May 19, 2022, 4:14 AM 황병희 wrote: > Tom Browder writes: > > > I need a special path setting for root after both "sudo" and "sudo > > su." (...) > > Just you try like as "sudo su -". Sometimes i use it that way. > > Sincerely, Linux fan Byung-Hee > > -- > ^고맙습니다 _白衣從軍_ 감사합니다_^))// > When I need Root on a Desktop, I bring up a shell, enter "su -" and give it the Root Password. Note, Debian (at least in the Expert Installation Mode) lets me set a Root Password. Ubuntu doesn't, so one of my early actions after the Install is to enter "sudo su -" and, on the resulting Root Shell, type "passwd root". On a Virtual Terminal, I simply login as Root on one terminal, and on the next one, sign on as my "Normal User" (and then do most of my work there). I know there have been Discussions here about sudo vs "su -". They both work, but both can get you in trouble (but possibly in different ways). Kenneth Parker Kenneth Parker >
Re: Dual booting Debian on an Windows machine.
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 10:54 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/30/2022 09:01 AM, IL Ka wrote: > > this is possible: you just need to have two .efi files for your OSes: one > > for Windows and one for Linux. > > Use ``efibootmgr`` to manage it. > > If you have secure boot enabled, you need shim: > > https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot > > Following links from there suggests I know even less than I thought I > did. Confirms I need to read newbie oriented material about dual booting > Debian on a UEFI equipped Windows machine (with or without Secure Boot). > > Suggestions? > A "few" years ago, I acquired an HP Tower with Windows 8.1 on it. I invested in a 1 Terabyte External "spinning rust" drive, connected via USB. I installed xubuntu on it and fixed Bios and UEFI to allow USB to boot. This included disabling Secure Boot, by the way. I ran it that way for a couple of years, before shrinking Windows and making use of the, rather delicious internal Hard drive space. (Windows was, eventually upgraded to 10, using one of Microsoft's "free offers", but that's a different story. And, when I recently asked about upgrading to Windows 11, Microsoft simply laughed at me). I am still using that Infrastructure, but without the external USB, and with Debian Bullseye being the primary system. As mentioned earlier, I disabled Secure Boot to even be able to boot External USB but, on one of my laptops, made use of the shim file someone else mentioned. And yes, Debian suports Secure Boot, as noted on the previously mentioned Debian Wiki article. Good luck! Kenneth Parker > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 3:06 PM Richard Owlett > wrote: > > > >> I will be setting up a Windows laptop to dual boot Debian. > >> If the machine has legacy BIOS, no problem as I've done that before. > >> > >> If it is a UEFI machine (possibly with secure boot, what should I be > >> reading. > >> > >> TIA > >> > >> > > > > >
Re: Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 11:15 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 04/21/2022 08:39 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 8:21 AM Richard Owlett > wrote: > > > >> I am not upgrading in place. > >> > >> I currently have Debian 9.13 installed on one partition with /home on a > >> different partition. > >> > >> I will install Debian 11.3 on a fresh partition and have /home remain on > >> its current partition. > >> > >> I'm aware of cautions about upgrading in-place cf > >> [ > >> > https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html > >> ] > >> > >> Are there things to be aware of when using the same /home partition on > >> both? > >> > > > > My approach to this is to create (and use) a separate Partition, which I > > call /bighome. When I create users (I use several, based on Function), I > > separately create a Directory on /bighome, and change its ownership to > the > > User. > > > > Each Partition has its own /home, but mainly for the .dot files. > Anything > > that is likely to be long term is on /bighome. > > > > This /bighome has survived from Squeeze to Bookworm, as well as a number > of > > Ubuntu releases. > > > > Sounds interesting. Do you have multiple versions of Debian installed at > the same time or have you upgraded a single copy of Debian several times? > All of the above. For example, on my tower, I have 9 Debians, two Ubuntu occurences, and Mint 20. This includes two Bullseye occurrences, one on xfce and one on KDE. But there is only one /bighome, used by all of these. > Hope this helps. > > > > Kenneth Parker >
Re: Changing from Debian 9.13 to Debian 11.3
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022, 8:21 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > I am not upgrading in place. > > I currently have Debian 9.13 installed on one partition with /home on a > different partition. > > I will install Debian 11.3 on a fresh partition and have /home remain on > its current partition. > > I'm aware of cautions about upgrading in-place cf > [ > https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html > ] > > Are there things to be aware of when using the same /home partition on > both? > My approach to this is to create (and use) a separate Partition, which I call /bighome. When I create users (I use several, based on Function), I separately create a Directory on /bighome, and change its ownership to the User. Each Partition has its own /home, but mainly for the .dot files. Anything that is likely to be long term is on /bighome. This /bighome has survived from Squeeze to Bookworm, as well as a number of Ubuntu releases. Hope this helps. Kenneth Parker
Re: swap maxed out when plenty of RAM available
On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 2:17 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 01:00:42PM -0500, Nicholas Geovanis wrote: > > That's the usual issue. The /tmp filesystem is usually configured to live > > in RAM, > > That's not the default in Debian. Of course, it might have been set up > that way on the OP's system. > This is an education for me. You are quite right that /tmp is not in tmpfs, but other things are, including /dev/shm, which has the same, "liberal" permissions as /tmp. So where *does* /tmp reside? Thank you, Kenneth Parker
Re: firefox and limited bookmarks. WTH?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 10:01 PM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 9:08 PM John Hasler wrote: > >> gene heskett writes: >> > Obviously that, being my banking, has never been written down. >> >> Always write down important passwords[1]. You can then use long, >> secure, random ones and keep the little black book you write them in >> secure. >> >> > I have foolishly depended on my browser to remember all that. >> >> Your browser is much less secure than a written document. As you >> learned, it is also less reliable. It is exactly where you should *not* >> keep sensitive, important passwords. >> >> >> >> [1] Bruce Schneier's advice. >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier> >> -- >> John Hasler >> j...@sugarbit.com >> Elmwood, WI USA > > > I have a non-networked (except temporarily, for apt upgrades) Ubuntu > (sorry. :-)) with a file that has my Passwords in it. I update it, when > changing passwords, or adding something new. I routinely respond "never" > to offers to save my Passwords in Firefox and Chromium. I have exceptions > for a few routine sites, like my Doctor's, where I allow Auto Password > processing. > Oh, and I keep a backup on an external Hard Drive. > > Paranoid? You bet! > > Kenneth Parker >
Re: firefox and limited bookmarks. WTH?
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022, 9:08 PM John Hasler wrote: > gene heskett writes: > > Obviously that, being my banking, has never been written down. > > Always write down important passwords[1]. You can then use long, > secure, random ones and keep the little black book you write them in > secure. > > > I have foolishly depended on my browser to remember all that. > > Your browser is much less secure than a written document. As you > learned, it is also less reliable. It is exactly where you should *not* > keep sensitive, important passwords. > > > > [1] Bruce Schneier's advice. > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Schneier> > -- > John Hasler > j...@sugarbit.com > Elmwood, WI USA I have a non-networked (except temporarily, for apt upgrades) Ubuntu (sorry. :-)) with a file that has my Passwords in it. I update it, when changing passwords, or adding something new. I routinely respond "never" to offers to save my Passwords in Firefox and Chromium. I have exceptions for a few routine sites, like my Doctor's, where I allow Auto Password processing. Paranoid? You bet! Kenneth Parker
Re: Identity Theft
On Tue, Dec 21, 2021, 3:15 AM local10 wrote: > Dec 21, 2021, 02:13 by jer...@ardley.org: > > > You can mitigate XSS by having a single browser that is used solely to > access high value sites. e.g. if you routinely run Firefox, have a copy of > Vivaldi that you use to access your banks - one at a time. > > > > > Installing NoScript also may help as it has an option to sanitize > cross-site suspicious requests. NoScript also speeds up the browser by > disabling all the tracking and spying scripts many sites load nowadays. > Just make sure to disable all the garbage it has enabled by default after > the installation. > +1 on NoScript. I particularly like the White List capabilities, where you can allow Scripts by Website, and even only one time. I only know it to work with Firefox, at this time. Kenneth Parker >
Re: Desktop "locking".
On Tue, Dec 14, 2021, 4:17 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 13 dec 21, 23:56:14, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > light-locker is the package. It is a small subset of xscreensaver, if I > > recall correctly. > > It's a component of XFCE (though LXDE is using it too) and completely > unrelated to xscreensaver. > > Gnome is very likely using it's own thing (as per the description, > light-locker relies on lightdm while Gnome is using gdm3). I stand corrected. I will, promptly install a Gnome qemu-kvm vm and try to Recreate this. Kind regards, > Andrei > -- > http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Thanks! Kenneth Parker > >
Re: Desktop "locking".
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 11:15 PM wrote: > Gnome Desktop Manager and Wayland/Weston in Debian 11 here. Two > screens work nicely on a NVIDIA NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] (rev > a2) PCI adapter. > > When the console is idle for 4 or 5 minutes the screens go black. > > Mouse activity gives a small window with a green disk and title > "Unlock your desktop". With a click on the green disk and some patience > the display reappears. > > Turning the screen black to prevent unnecessary wear makes sense. The > green button is superfluous. I'd rather that mouse or keyboard > activate the display as quickly as possible. > > In /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults I set > sleep-inactive-ac-timeout=0 > and the "locking" is unchanged. > > What produces the "lock" window with green disk? Can it be shut off? > If so, how? > light-locker is the package. It is a small subset of xscreensaver, if I recall correctly. Look it up. There have been multiple threads in the past on Debian-User about this critter. Look it up. As for shutting it off, it can be uninstalled, via apt. But it would be good to research first. > > Thx, ... P. > > > -- > mobile: +1 778 951 5147 > VoIP: +1 604 670 0140 >48.7693 N 123.3053 W > Good luck! Kenneth Parker
Re: BUG: Debian 11 version of bibletime - was [Re: Problems with "Bible Time" and "Xiphos"]
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 8:25 PM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 12/13/2021 01:43 PM, Erwan David wrote: > > Le 13/12/2021 à 19:18, Richard Owlett a écrit : > >> [SNIP] > > apt-file search bibletime show that package bibletime-data contains a > > handbook and howto subdirectory in > > > > /usr/share/doc/bibletime-data > > NOT TRUE when running Debian 11 in southwest Missouri USA. > Is True with Debian 11, KDE. I am browsing the Handbook now. Interesting. IS TRUE when running Debian 10 in southwest Missouri USA. > > How do I identify/select physical repository that is being queried by my > run of apt-file? > Interesting! Apt-File isn't installed by default. (But I got it easily) Okay, apt-file is bigger than a bread basket. So I will defer to the other apt-file experts. However, your symptom suggests that bibletime-data might not have been completely Installed. Good luck! Kenneth Parker
Re: Firefox ESR EOL
On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 11:37 AM Tixy wrote: > On Thu, 2021-12-09 at 14:18 +, piorunz wrote: > > On 09/12/2021 12:47, Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > > > > > Hey Piotr, > > > > > > a new release of Firefox ESR was uploaded to Sid two days ago and > > > probably will be uploaded to stable soon. > > > > > > https://buildd.debian.org/status/package.php?p=firefox-esr=sid > > > > ESR 91 was first uploaded to sid in November. It didn't migrated to > > Testing, or Stable, due to problems. Package tracker show some details: > > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/firefox-esr > > > > There is a bug here: > > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1001234 > > > > Rust compiler for Stable is not available? It means we have to continue > > to use outdated, vulnerable Firefox ESR until this is resolved? When it > > will be? > > Think it's more complicated than just a compiler [1] > > Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I've just installed ESR 91 > direct from Firefox, as it seems Debian are likely to leave us with an > insecure browser for a long time. Considering this was known about > before the last release, you would have thought we would have been > warned about it in the release notes, or through some other means. > Thanks, Tixy. I will, also, install Firefox 91 directly from Firefox [into my Bookworm test environments]. The only mention of Firefox in the release notes is... > > For general web browser use we recommend Firefox or Chromium. > They will be kept up-to-date by rebuilding the current ESR > releases for stable. > > :-( > > [1] > https://www.google.com/url?q=http://techrights.org/2021/11/10/firefox-esr-91-issues/=D=hangouts=1639153687425000=AOvVaw2wBZnDhgCrL9Id5BzyH5hE > > -- > Tixy > Kenneth Parker
Re: Firefox ESR EOL
I am testing Bookworm now, both on xfce and lxde. On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 8:01 AM Christian Britz wrote: > Security is the reason why I download and install browser and mail > client directly from the vendor, not Debian repositories. > > For Chromium the situation is (was) even worse IIRC. > Indeed. Apt "politely" told me that chromium was "replaced" by chromium-bsu, an Arcade Shoot-em-up Game! :-) > Am 09.12.21 um 11:12 schrieb piorunz: > Firefox 91 should migrate to Stable as soon as possible, otherwise we > > risk unpatched security vulnerabilities being present in Debian Stable, > > there are several of them already. > > https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/firefox-esr (Obviously, Bookworm comes before Bullseye in this Process). To test Firefox 91 in Bookworm, can I use *one* Repository in Unstable, as an "unofficial Backports"? (And then only install Firefox 91 from there)? Thanks in advance, Kenneth Parker
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:33 PM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > >> On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: >> > netinst is cli only >> >> ... what? NO! >> >> > try >> > >> > sudo tasksel >> > >> > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed >> >> The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image >> does. >> >> The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation >> is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1. It makes no difference. >> You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose. >> > > This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice > the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments. > This bugged me, so I blew away a separate Bullseye Minimal vm, so I could try that Testing version of netinst again. I *did* make a User error. I somehow failed to get packages from the Network the first try. Now, I am happily installing Bookworm on a second, Virtual Machine. I am refreshing my memory of what lxde will look like. Careful what options you choose. Kenneth Parker >
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 9:03 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Dec 04, 2021 at 12:30:52PM +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > netinst is cli only > > ... what? NO! > > > try > > > > sudo tasksel > > > > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed > > The netinst image contains the same installer as the full DVD-1 image > does. > > The task selection menu that you get at the end of an installation > is the same, whether you use netinst or DVD-1. It makes no difference. > You can still install a Desktop Environment, or not, as you choose. > This may be User Error (as I am capable of making), but I did not notice the usual offer to use Network Mirrors to provide Graphical Environments. It acted, as if it was the entire source for the System Packages. (Same as if installing Bullseye from netinst without a network). However, I had answered the earlier questions, about my Ethernet Network. So it could have found packages that way. The only difference is the number of packages contained on the > installation medium. With a DVD-1 installer, in theory, if conditions > are ideal, most of the packages you select for installation will come > from the DVD (or USB thingy if you're using one of those), instead of > needing to be downloaded. > > (In practice, any packages that have received updates since the > installation image was created will still need to be downloaded. This > can greatly reduce the usefulness of a DVD-1 image over time.) > > That said, if you want to add new tasks to your system after the > installation has completed, your command is valid. You can use > "sudo tasksel" to get back to the task selection program that you used > during the netinst, or during the DVD-1, installation. > > You could also use "apt install task-whatever" if you know the name of > the metapackage that you want. Anyway, as I stated above, I installed Bookworm from DVD-1 and am now staring at Bookworm's Xfce4 desktop. Thank you, Greg
Re: Status of Bookworm
On Fri, Dec 3, 2021, 8:48 PM Keith Bainbridge wrote: > Good morning Kenneth > > netinst is cli only > > try > > sudo tasksel > > and choose desktop options. xfce is listed > Actually, I went in a different direction: Reformatted the qemu vm, downloaded the Bookworm DVD-1, and am installing now. As you state, Xfce is definitely supported. In other words, I answered my own question. :-) Thank you, Keith. Kenneth Parker On 4/12/21 10:44, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I > > figured that it is worth a qemu Install. So I downloaded the current > > Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install. > > > > The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop > > options. (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line). > > > > Should I wait? (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way). > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kenneth Parker > >
Status of Bookworm
When reading about changes to Bookworm (i.e. Enforcement of usrmerge), I figured that it is worth a qemu Install. So I downloaded the current Testing netinst cd and selected Expert Install. The reason for this email is that it does not give any Graphical Desktop options. (I am partial to Xfce, but fluent in the Command Line). Should I wait? (I am not ready to delve into sid, by the way). Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: Non-working CPU cores showing up
On Tue, Nov 30, 2021, 2:30 AM Paul M. Foster wrote: > Folks: > > Here's a curious thing. I have a 10th gen Intel i3 CPU with four cores. > When I look at /proc/cpuinfo, it actually shows eight cores. There's a > line in the output of each core which is > > cpu cores : 4 > > But there are outputs for each of eight cores, numbered 0 through 7. > > Is it possible that there were eight cores on this CPU, and four of them > were non-working (I know it's typical to have non-working cores on a > die), and this file shows all the original cores? > > Or does someone have a better explanation? > Place Holders? > > Paul > Kenneth Parker >
Re: Impossible to give "write" permission on a sub folder
On Fri, Nov 26, 2021, 2:37 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 07:30:32PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Fri 26 Nov 2021 at 09:29:50 +0100, lists.deb...@netc.eu wrote: > > > > > Hello to all, I have a dual boot PC with Windows 10 and Debian 11 This > PC has 2 drives, one SSD that has both operating systems and a HDD where I > store all other files (documents, music, images, ...) The goal is to share > this HDD betwee > [...] > > > lists.deb...@netc.eu - how do you manage to produce something as > > completely undecipherable as what is is above? > > By removing all the newlines (or replacing them with spaces). > > Most likely the way they did *that* was by writing their email in a web > browser, running a web-based MUA of particularly low quality, which then > produces a plain-text part with all the newlines clobbered. > > Presumably there is also an HTML part which is actually comprehensible > to humans. I didn't check, but it's a fair assumption. Otherwise, who > the *hell* would use this particular MUA? > I am on Gmail, and got something that looks "normal". (Comprehensible to Gmail?) This tells me that Gmail gets, only the HTML part, and ignores the Plain Text part. Kenneth Parker >
Re: subject
On Fri, Nov 26, 2021, 2:39 PM zainalabd...@softkhana.com < zainalabd...@softkhana.com> wrote: > This is the body > And this is the Reply. (Sorry!) >
Re: what to do with USB stick that gives badblocks errors
On Tue, Nov 23, 2021, 7:56 AM deloptes wrote: > I'm sure there are many ideas around, but I want to hear your opinion > > so there is one USB stick that I noticed started mocking about errors when > booting off. > It's giving you more feedback than one of mine did. It just timed out on all I/O operations, during an attempted Mint 20 Install (making me think Mint was more Defective than it is. [Disclaimer: It does what it needs to do, and is good for a beginner]). Finally, I smelled a rat, aborted the Mint install and tried to read it on a different machine. I ran badblocks (without options) and then with -s -n and this produced a > slightly different output. > Is the output resulting from the options or is something really wrong with > the USB > They go bad often. I won't even purchase one from FedEx Office anymore, after so many of theirs failed. > > Should I throw it away? > I agree with the other response: Yes! > > If no should I try reformat it > Try that, only for the humor of it. (I would be surprised if it worked after that). > > thanks & regards > You too. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: Light-Locker (Was Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned ... Monitor off. ...)
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 8:58 AM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 8:50 AM Kenneth Parker wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:17 AM Kenneth Parker >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 2:55 AM Andrei POPESCU >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Sb, 09 oct 21, 01:13:32, Kenneth Parker wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Thank you all for your responses. Fortunately, somebody else, I >>>> think on >>>> > an Ubuntu forum (that I had googled), someone mentioned issues with >>>> > light-locker. And that purging it solved the issue. >>>> > >>>> > So I tried that, with success! >>>> > >>>> > What is the purpose of Light-Locker anyway? >>>> >>>> To lock your screen and keep it that way until the correct password is >>>> provided. >>>> >>> >>> This situation occurred again, yesterday and today on my OTHER Desktop >>> Computer. It also has the light-locker package installed. Fortunately, on >>> this other system, I found a work-around, which was to turn off the >>> Monitor, leave it off for a while and turn it back on. So I am still >>> testing this. (In other words, I have not purged light-locker yet). >>> >>> I wonder if light-locker hits the Monitor in a bad way, when putting it >>> in Sleep Mode? I'll get the Source Package and examine it, in addition to >>> conducting further testing. >>> >> >> Just in case any of you are interested in Recreating this, Install >> Bullseye, with xfce4 as Window Manager. >> Go to Power Settings. / Display. >> For my test, I used 2 minutes on "Blank after", 5 Minutes for "Put to >> sleep", and 9 minutes for "Switch off". >> >> Then, I come back in about 15 minutes. :-) >> >> I get a Flash, with something I might recognize as a Screen. and then >> Screen off. This is that OTHER Desktop, an HP Pavilion Desktop with an LG >> IPS 22MP56 Monitor. >> >> Now, at this point, I *am* going to Purge light-locker on that Machine >> and let it go to Power Save again. I am also pondering the Xorg.0.log to >> see if something obvious stands out. >> > (Sorry, I hit the wrong button last time). There is a difference in this HP Pavilion. I only had "Blank After" and "Switch off" set. So the two machines weren't the same. But now, I am running the Pavilion without Light-Locker installed. Okay. This worked. It also didn't ask for a Password (which is the *reason* for light-locker). Now, I am going back to the HP Elitedesk 705 G1. I changed its "Put to sleep" to "Never" (which the Pavilion had). So I want to see if using only "Blank after" and "Switch off" on the Elitedesk, if it recreates the situation. So more testing. Meanwhile, I also am examining the Source Code for light-locker. I will return in a few hours. Once again, thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: Light-Locker (Was Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned ... Monitor off. ...)
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 8:50 AM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:17 AM Kenneth Parker > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 2:55 AM Andrei POPESCU >> wrote: >> >>> On Sb, 09 oct 21, 01:13:32, Kenneth Parker wrote: >>> > >>> > Thank you all for your responses. Fortunately, somebody else, I think >>> on >>> > an Ubuntu forum (that I had googled), someone mentioned issues with >>> > light-locker. And that purging it solved the issue. >>> > >>> > So I tried that, with success! >>> > >>> > What is the purpose of Light-Locker anyway? >>> >>> To lock your screen and keep it that way until the correct password is >>> provided. >>> >> >> This situation occurred again, yesterday and today on my OTHER Desktop >> Computer. It also has the light-locker package installed. Fortunately, on >> this other system, I found a work-around, which was to turn off the >> Monitor, leave it off for a while and turn it back on. So I am still >> testing this. (In other words, I have not purged light-locker yet). >> >> I wonder if light-locker hits the Monitor in a bad way, when putting it >> in Sleep Mode? I'll get the Source Package and examine it, in addition to >> conducting further testing. >> > > Just in case any of you are interested in Recreating this, Install > Bullseye, with xfce4 as Window Manager. > Go to Power Settings. / Display. > For my test, I used 2 minutes on "Blank after", 5 Minutes for "Put to > sleep", and 9 minutes for "Switch off". > > Then, I come back in about 15 minutes. :-) > > I get a Flash, with something I might recognize as a Screen. and then > Screen off. This is that OTHER Desktop, an HP Pavilion Desktop with an LG > IPS 22MP56 Monitor. > > Now, at this point, I *am* going to Purge light-locker on that Machine and > let it go to Power Save again. I am also pondering the Xorg.0.log to see > if something obvious stands out. > > I'll be back. Thanks as always, > > Kenneth Parker > > > > > > > > > > > >
Light-Locker (Was Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned ... Monitor off. ...)
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 12:17 AM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 2:55 AM Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > >> On Sb, 09 oct 21, 01:13:32, Kenneth Parker wrote: >> > >> > Thank you all for your responses. Fortunately, somebody else, I think >> on >> > an Ubuntu forum (that I had googled), someone mentioned issues with >> > light-locker. And that purging it solved the issue. >> > >> > So I tried that, with success! >> > >> > What is the purpose of Light-Locker anyway? >> >> To lock your screen and keep it that way until the correct password is >> provided. >> > > This situation occurred again, yesterday and today on my OTHER Desktop > Computer. It also has the light-locker package installed. Fortunately, on > this other system, I found a work-around, which was to turn off the > Monitor, leave it off for a while and turn it back on. So I am still > testing this. (In other words, I have not purged light-locker yet). > > I wonder if light-locker hits the Monitor in a bad way, when putting it in > Sleep Mode? I'll get the Source Package and examine it, in addition to > conducting further testing. > Just in case any of you are interested in Recreating this, Install Bullseye, with xfce4 as Window Manager. Go to Power Settings. / Display. For my test, I used 2 minutes on "Blank after", 5 Minutes for "Put to sleep", and 9 minutes for "Switch off". Then, I come back in about 15 minutes. :-) I get a Flash, with something I might recognize as a Screen. and then Screen off. This is that OTHER Desktop, an HP Pavilion Desktop with an LG IPS 22MP56 Monitor. Now, at this point, I *am* going to Purge light-locker on that Machine and let it go to Power Save again. I am also pondering the Xorg.0.log to see if something obvious stands out. I'll be back. Thanks as always, Kenneth Parker
Re: Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned Samsung T55 Monitor off. Couldn't wake it up
On Sat, Oct 9, 2021 at 2:55 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Sb, 09 oct 21, 01:13:32, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > Thank you all for your responses. Fortunately, somebody else, I think on > > an Ubuntu forum (that I had googled), someone mentioned issues with > > light-locker. And that purging it solved the issue. > > > > So I tried that, with success! > > > > What is the purpose of Light-Locker anyway? > > To lock your screen and keep it that way until the correct password is > provided. > This situation occurred again, yesterday and today on my OTHER Desktop Computer. It also has the light-locker package installed. Fortunately, on this other system, I found a work-around, which was to turn off the Monitor, leave it off for a while and turn it back on. So I am still testing this. (In other words, I have not purged light-locker yet). I wonder if light-locker hits the Monitor in a bad way, when putting it in Sleep Mode? I'll get the Source Package and examine it, in addition to conducting further testing. Best regards, Kenneth Parker > Kind regards, > Andrei > -- > http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser >
Re: Leibniz' "best of all possible worlds"
On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 12:35 PM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > James H. H. Lampert wrote: > > When I think of Leibniz, I think of calculus > > We german kids think of cookies with toes: > > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Butterkeks.jpg When I was a teen, I attended a Family reunion. One of the other attendees shared that he had returned from a Business Trip to Germany and brought us a tin of these Cookies. Quite delicious! Have a nice day :) > > Thomas > Thanks for the Memory. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: Sata Hard drive testing
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 9:02 AM David wrote: > On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 at 23:53, Gene Heskett wrote: > > > And what does this SMR acronym mean, Dan? > > Questions like this can be answered with an > internet search engine. Search for "Seagate SMR". > For fun you can add search terms like > "controversy guilty dreaded bad press" etc > What? Seagate Magnetic Recording caught Shingles? (Sorry!) Kenneth Parker >
Re: Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned Samsung T55 Monitor off. Couldn't wake it up
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:44 AM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:06 AM Marko Randjelovic > wrote: > >> On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:48:39 -0400 >> Kenneth Parker wrote: >> >> > HP Elitedesk 705 G1. Bullseye XFCE. >> > > >> > I had a timeout set like usual. Before, I could jiggle the Mouse and >> press >> > the Shift Key and it would wake up, but not today. >> > >> > Fortunately, I was able to power up a Laptop, and SSH into the >> Elitedesk, >> > and tell it to Shutdown cleanly. (But, obviously not everyone has this >> > option). >> > Thank you all for your responses. Fortunately, somebody else, I think on an Ubuntu forum (that I had googled), someone mentioned issues with light-locker. And that purging it solved the issue. So I tried that, with success! What is the purpose of Light-Locker anyway? Again, thanks, Kenneth Parker >
Re: unhappy upgrade
On Tue, Oct 5, 2021, 9:04 AM David Wright wrote: > On Mon 04 Oct 2021 at 21:16:06 (-0400), Roy J. Tellason, Sr. wrote: > > On Monday 04 October 2021 07:55:25 pm David Wright wrote: > > > > It would help people trying to follow what you are doing just to > confirm at each stage which version you're now running. > > > I /think/ you've got as far as stretch. > > > > Yes, I wanted to get the issues that I was seeing resolved before I > went ahead and proceeded with the rest of the upgrades. At this point I've > copied things from the laptop (which got very flaky on me) back to the > workstation and I am doing my mail there, like I used to. The font is too > damn small, though. > > > > > So the main things to confirm as working are the specific points > mentioned in the respective Release Notes. In stretch that would > > > be, for example, the 4.9 kernel is finding everything, > > > > About the only issue that I've noticed after this stuff all getting > fixed is that there's something up with the sound. Given the details of > what advice I saw someone else getting, I have a few things to look at. > The virtualbox OS complained about it too. :-) > > I can't see the point unless you depend on, say, a screen reader to be > able to move forward at all. After all, how long are you intending to > run stretch for? > > > > that X may be running as a user (rather than root) on the console it's > started from, > > > > I'm not sure I see the concern here. > > An issue that caught some people out was finding the X server log, > as it had to move out of /var/log/ (users don't have permission), > and into a "hidden" directory, ~/.local/share/xorg/. Running > root-owned applications is different, and you can get permissions > problems with opening devices. Unusual though. > > > > and that your ethernet or wireless connectivity is still good. > (Changes were made to the kernel device naming.) > > > > Ethernet is working fine here, as evidenced by the fact that I'm moving > lots of data back and forth (32GB for this virtualbox stuff ferinstance) > and that I'm doing my mail on this system now. If there had been any > issues with that I sure would've been jumping all over it, as I tend to > use networking rather heavily. And there is no wireless on this machine. > > > > > Those are just a few I recall, but note they all relate to the OS > rather than details in configuring third-party applications. > > > Once that's done, time to read the next set of Release Notes. Note > that even things like the best tool (apt-get or aptitude) to > > > upgrade with may vary from release to release which, remember, are > normally separated by a couple of years of tool development. > > > > I saw a couple of references that stated that aptitude had been > recommeded earlier but that apt was now a better choice. > > Yes, I think apt is recommended for an interactive upgrade. > > > So we'll see how it goes from here. My upgrade path for this step went > like this: > > > > apt-get autoremove > > edit the sources.list file replacing jessie with stretch > > apt-get update > > apt-get upgrade > > apt-get dist-upgrade > > > > And then reboot, and see how well things work. Or maybe reboot a > couple of times... > > Yes, apt-get was recommended for upgrading to stretch. Note however > that if you perform your next upgrades with apt, as recommended, > some of the command names (like dist-upgrade) will differ in apt. > I thought "dist-upgrade" is used to upgrade packages that need a "version change" (like, sometimes the Kernel). Is this recent (i.e. Stretch?) Kenneth Parker >
Re: Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned Samsung T55 Monitor off. Couldn't wake it up
On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 7:06 AM Marko Randjelovic wrote: > On Sat, 2 Oct 2021 15:48:39 -0400 > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > HP Elitedesk 705 G1. Bullseye XFCE. > > > > I had a timeout set like usual. Before, I could jiggle the Mouse and > press > > the Shift Key and it would wake up, but not today. > > > > Fortunately, I was able to power up a Laptop, and SSH into the Elitedesk, > > and tell it to Shutdown cleanly. (But, obviously not everyone has this > > option). > > > > (Until I can figure this out, I changed the Power settings to "Never" > turn > > off the Monitor). > > > > Has anybody else experienced this? > > I had such a problem and solved it by installing firmware for the > graphics card. > >From lspci: VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Kaveri [Radeon R5 Graphics] I *had* to install some sort of working Firmware before I could even get X to work. (I was limited to oversized Text Screens of 80x24, like the old IBM Monitors from my IBM Mainframe days!) Installed Firmware: "firmware-linux-free", "firmware-linux-nonfree", "firmware-misc-nonfree", "firmware-amd-graphics", and "firmware-realtek". Thank you. Kenneth Parker
Re: Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned Samsung T55 Monitor off. Couldn't wake it up
On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 4:46 PM Dan Ritter wrote: > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > HP Elitedesk 705 G1. Bullseye XFCE. > > > > I had a timeout set like usual. Before, I could jiggle the Mouse and > press > > the Shift Key and it would wake up, but not today. > > > > Fortunately, I was able to power up a Laptop, and SSH into the Elitedesk, > > and tell it to Shutdown cleanly. (But, obviously not everyone has this > > option). > > > > (Until I can figure this out, I changed the Power settings to "Never" > turn > > off the Monitor). > > > > This is the sort of thing which is often caused by a machine > being told to go to sleep -- i.e. suspend to ram, suspend to > disk -- in some way which doesn't let it wake up the video card > again. > > A simple DPMS power off / power on ought to work -- from X, try > > xset +dpms > xset dpms suspend > The xset command (version 1.2.4) gave "xset: unknown option suspend". > > and wait a moment. It should come back when you tap a key, > possibly if you wiggle a mouse. > One note: Even though I was unable to wake up the Display, I *was* able to ssh in from my Laptop, so the computer itself wasn't "Suspended". (Also, I never enable "system sleep mode" on a Desktop computer, since I enjoy listening to Classical Music while the Display may be off. If I would be inclined to [i.e. leave my Apartment], I cleanly shutdown the system). > > If it doesn't, that's valuable info too. > > Look in logs to see if anything interesting happened before you > got to ssh in. > I am still working to understand these Logs. I copied /var/log/messages to my Home Directory and, since it is huge, used the split command. Nothing jumped out. Many thanks! Kenneth Parker
Up-to-date Bullseye, Power Save turned Samsung T55 Monitor off. Couldn't wake it up
HP Elitedesk 705 G1. Bullseye XFCE. I had a timeout set like usual. Before, I could jiggle the Mouse and press the Shift Key and it would wake up, but not today. Fortunately, I was able to power up a Laptop, and SSH into the Elitedesk, and tell it to Shutdown cleanly. (But, obviously not everyone has this option). (Until I can figure this out, I changed the Power settings to "Never" turn off the Monitor). Has anybody else experienced this? Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: silence audio on locked screen?
On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, 8:03 AM wrote: > On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 11:34:42 PM David Wright wrote: > > On Wed 29 Sep 2021 at 16:48:11 (+1300), Richard Hector wrote: > > > As I say, I consider this to be a security flaw - people can hear > > > something of what my computer's doing when I'm not there and it's > > > supposedly locked. > > > > > > Do others agree with that? > > > > No (ie I concur with Dan). > > It would have been helpful (to me, at least) if you had quoted Dan, which > I am > now doing: > > > It can be a security issue, but it can also be desired > behavior. I have an old laptop in my living room which has the > sole purpose of being connected to my stereo to play music. I > would be rather upset if it were to pause whenever the > screensaver kicks in. > > So I would class this as a desirable configurable element. > > +1 > > Insofar as it is apparently not a configurable element, I would consider > it a > security issue at least, and would (if I were the OP) file a bug or an RFP > (if > that is the right acronym (Request For ) > I also often play Classical Music (i.e. Symphonies and Operas), and also prefer to "start it" interactively (I use the Command Line "play" Command, found in the sox Package), but then let it fill my alarm, while the Power Save actions (Display to Sleep, and system Locked, in case I have visitors). And then, when the Piece ends, I unlock the Display and, perhaps play something else. So this *has* to be Configurable. Kenneth Parker
Re: (pure text) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright)
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 7:58 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Sep 06, 2021 at 04:46:21PM -0300, Dedeco Balaco wrote: > > If it is trivial to me setting my mail manager to use the dark > > background i need, and to make it ignore the (usually default) > > background of color of all HTML messages, why the people in Debian User > > list cannot do it? I will not change my setting! I need it. Learn to > > deal with it. > > Many people will "deal with it" by deleting your messages and moving > on. Just so you know. > > For me, your messages seem OK. Mutt is presenting me with readable > text. I don't know what other people are seeing. However, if you're > intentionally flaunting the guidelines and standards that make mailing > lists work, you can expect a smaller audience for your requests. > Greg, what I saw is Rich Text Format [1], different from html. I suspect Mutt (as well as gmail) presents it as it, without issue. But, unfortunately, not all email reader software would see it properly. Kenneth Parker [1] Rich Text Format. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Text_Format
Re: (HTML) Re: Trouble upgrading Debian (reply to David Wright)
On Mon, Sep 6, 2021 at 3:47 PM Dedeco Balaco wrote: > > > Em 06/09/2021 14:25, John Hasler escreveu: > > Curt writes: > > I suggest you follow the earlier advice, and set Thunderbird > to compose your email as plain text > > Or even as "normal" HTML. > > If it is trivial to me setting my mail manager to use the dark background > i need, and to make it ignore the (usually default) background of color of > all HTML messages, why the people in Debian User list cannot do it? I will > not change my setting! I need it. Learn to deal with it. Things evolve. > Being able to use *bold*, *italic*, *underscore* is a minimum of "new" > things that help a lot to compose good messages. If Thunderbird has a > problem when writing the automatic text messages, together with the > composed HTML ones, this is a reason to **fix** it, not to never use > anymore. I have installed another mail manager in my computer: but it is > bad, pretty horrible. It does not show HTML messages. It does not compose > HTML messages. And it is pretty counter intuitive to configure, in several > parts. It seems handy, have nice things. But if you do not know them, or > are not familiar enough with "something", to be able to understand it, you > cannot use them. Its name is Claws Mail. I bet the most important people in > this list love it. So, Thunderbird has some problems (and the HTML thing is > not a problem to me), but it still the best mail manager for me. > This comes across as Rich Text Format, a precursor to Microsoft Word. These files can be sent with a prefix of .rtf, and it is certainly supported in LibreOffice Writer. I am not sure how it works with email lists, though. Kenneth Parker
Re: Debian 11 and Win10 dual boot
On Sat, Aug 28, 2021, 6:06 AM Joe wrote: > On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 11:14:28 +0300 > ellanios82 wrote: > > > On 28/8/21 Intense Red: > > > How can Windows be lobotomized > > > > > >- maybe Install VirtualBox, & ONLY run windows inside Linux > > > > > > The Home version won't be licensed for use in a VM, and may be > engineered not to work at all in one. The Pro version should, but costs > a fair bit > I have Windows 10 PRO running in qemu-kvm under Stable Bullseye (though installed when it was Testing Bullseye). When I discussed my Windows 10 PRO purchase with them, the earlier part of the conversation was, before I had selected PRO over Home and the person on the phone did not bring up anything about Home on Virtual environments. So my suspicion is that it will, at least technically run in a Virtual environment. Good luck! Kenneth Parker >
Re: Please help to test latest Debian 11 release candidate on real hardware
On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 4:23 PM Andrey Ponomarenko < andrewponomare...@yandex.ru> wrote: > Let's help developers to test upcoming Debian version 11 by filling out > the community-driven list of tested hardware configurations: > https://github.com/linuxhw/TestCoverage/tree/master/Dist/Debian_11 > <https://github.com/linuxhw/TestCoverage/tree/master/Dist/Debian_11)> > By a "Stroke of luck", I have been running "Almost Production" Bullseye systems since halfway through the Testing Process. Any System that runs a Qemu-KVM Guest is now running on Bullseye. I first created a Qemu-KVM Guest under Mint 20, promptly ran out of Disk Space, and so wanted to Import it to Debian (after developing a HUGE dislike of Mint 20, mainly due to their Install Process). *However*, I was unable to Import that Qemu Guest to Buster (which I was running then), because Buster refused the Import due to a lower Release Level for Qemu. So, I bit the Bullet and am Quite Happy with Bullseye (though there were a few Bumps, some of which were handled on this List, and one that became a Debian Bug Report). So I will make my Entries, via that Github Link for three HP Systems and three Lenovo Laptops. As a bonus, I will dust off an Ancient Gaming Laptop and see how far I get, adding it too. One note: Some are upset over Github. I remain neutral, even to running a Windows 10 Guest on my HP Elitedesk 705 G1 under Bullseye. You can download Debian 11 release candidate on the page > https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/. > > Andrey > Kenneth Parker
Re: Debian on mobile phone
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 4:03 AM Gunnar Gervin wrote: > Is it possible to use debian on an android phone (Samsung A-40)? > There's an Android app called Userland, which lets you run Debian. I haven't yet figured out how to connect it to my Downloads Directory. Termux has also been mentioned. Good luck! Kenneth Parker >
Re: Upgrade problems?
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 12:57 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Wed, Jul 21, 2021 at 12:39:49PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x) Uid: (0/root) Gid: ( 1000/ frank) > > > Actually, access 555 means everyone can Read and Execute, but nobody can > > Update. > > > > Root usually overrides that, which could explain why it still works. > > Yes. > > > Will chown work ? > > > > > > > Actually, chmod might work better. My system has 755, owned by Root. > > Meaning only Root can Update, but everybody can Read and Execute. > > None of that explains why systemd says the thing is considered "unsafe". > It's "unsafe" because it's owned by group "frank". > How did I miss that? The only reason I can think of, for a different Group would be for something like /var/log, so someone other than Root can read the Logs. Thus, changing the GID back to 0 is the main issue (for suppressing the > warning messages). Fixing the perms from 555 to 755 is just for a bit > of extra consistency. > That, and other layers of Security, such as selinux, where Root isn't always "god". Thanks for the clarification. Kenneth Parker >
Re: Upgrade problems?
On Wed, Jul 21, 2021, 12:12 PM Frank McCormick wrote: > On 2021-07-21 10:52 a.m., Kushal Kumaran wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 21 2021 at 09:26:41 AM, Frank McCormick < > debianl...@videotron.ca> wrote: > >> Got a bunch of strange errors during this morning upgrade of Bullseye. > >> > >> > >> Setting up systemd (247.3-6) ... Detected unsafe path transition / → > >> /run during canonicalization of /run. Detected unsafe path transition > >> / → /run during canonicalization of /run/lock. Detected unsafe path > >> transition / → /var during canonicalization of /var. Detected unsafe > >> > /snip/ > > frank@fedora ~$ stat / >File: / >Size: 4096Blocks: 8 IO Block: 4096 directory > Device: 806h/2054d Inode: 2 Links: 18 > Access: (0555/dr-xr-xr-x) Uid: (0/root) Gid: ( 1000/ frank) > Context: system_u:object_r:root_t:s0 > Access: 2021-07-21 10:22:56.572440309 -0400 > Modify: 2021-06-26 15:48:58.771330459 -0400 > Change: 2021-06-27 10:10:28.333447227 -0400 > Birth: 2021-06-11 13:38:48.0 -0400 > Looks like owned by root but access by frank ? > Actually, access 555 means everyone can Read and Execute, but nobody can Update. Root usually overrides that, which could explain why it still works. Will chown work ? > Actually, chmod might work better. My system has 755, owned by Root. Meaning only Root can Update, but everybody can Read and Execute. Thanks > Good luck. Kenneth Parker
Re: how to change terminal (tty) font?
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 5:33 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 09:01:48PM +, Long Wind wrote: > > i think terminal font used by jessie is nice but it's ugly in stretch > how > > to set font? Thanks! > > As sudo / root equivalent: > > dpkg-reconfigure console-setup > > should work. > Many thanks! That helps me also. > > All the very best, > > Andy Cater > Kenneth Parker >
Re: how to change terminal (tty) font?
On Sun, Jun 27, 2021, 5:02 PM Long Wind wrote: > i think terminal font used by jessie is nice > but it's ugly in stretch > how to set font? Thanks! > I believe that this is done through Frame Buffer settings. The reason why this is fresh on my mind, is that I recently got a Gaming PC. Until I got the right Firmware, the text (tty) screens were 24x80. Just something to investigate... Good luck! Kenneth Parker >
Secure Boot in QEMU (was Re: debian installation issue)
On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 4:45 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > Secure Boot (Microsoft's attempt to stop you from using Linux) > > Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > While I'm not a fan of Microsoft: > > > https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#What_is_UEFI_Secure_Boot_NOT.3 > > > "Microsoft act as a Certification Authority (CA) for SB, and they will > > > sign programs on behalf of other trusted organisations so that their > > > programs will also run." > > to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > > - do you know any other alternative CA besides Microsoft > > - is there any internationally legal binding of Microsoft > > Actually it is the mainboard producers and possibly the CPU producers who > decide who is in charge as CA. > Further they decide whether the firmware offers the possibility to disable > Secure Boot or to become your own CA. > > > https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/take-control-your-pc-uefi-secure-boot > shows how it should be in an ideal world. Of course this is still expert's > work. > > I myself would see few reason not to disable Secure Boot on my own machines > if necessary. But currently it does not even hamper kernel experiments. > (Dunno whether this is intended by Debian and kernel source code or > whether my test machine is just not as secure as its EFI pretends to be. > My experiments happen in kernel modules like sr, cdrom, isofs. Maybe a > change in the kernel's core would meet more distrust.) > > I agree with Andrei POPESCU that Secure Boot is not really for the purpose > of hampering free operating systems, although it causes extra workload on > those who intend to support this boot procedure. > Secure Boot is rather the modern attempt to make systems safe against > simple hardware manipulations. The old way was to seal the USB ports by a > hot glue gun and to use security screws at the side plates of the box. > > It is unfortunate that Intel and Microsoft could not bring themselves to > create an independent institution which authorizes the legitimate > boot programs which are acceptable by default. > > > As we are already off topic: > > I agree to Greg Wooledge's overview of x86 boot firmware, as far as > Debian installation is concerned. > > I have some nitpicking on technical details, though, which i did not post > because it would not be relevant to the initial topic. > > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > UEFI booting requires a GPT disk label (partition table type), > > No. UEFI specifies the formats of both, MBR partition table and GPT. > In both partition table types it specifies an identifier for the EFI > partition. (Type 0xEF for MBR partition table, > Type GUID C12A7328-F81F-11D2-BA4B-00A0C93EC93B for GPT.) > > There exist some few UEFI firmware implementations which do not obey > the specs and ignore MBR partition tables. > > > > and one of the partitions on the disk must be an EFI partition. > > Actually there is no UEFI implementation known which would not peek into > any recognized partition with a FAT filesystem, whether there is \EFI\BOOT > with the matching BOOT*.EFI file. > This seems to be a quirk which is protected by Microsoft Inc. > > Whether a partition is used automatically for booting or whether it is > offered at all as bootable, is a matter of UEFI implementation and > settings. > Okay. I am running Debian Bullseye (selected earlier, during its testing phase, because I needed its level of QEMU to import a VM from Mint 20's QEMU: Buster's QEMU refused). My computer is an HP EliteDesk 705 G1-SFF. I have a special requirement to run a Licenced version of Windows 10 Pro as a QEMU/KVM Guest. I have already set up QEMU GCOW2 files as gpt and partitioned them with UEFI environments, but only with Linux guests so far, as well as (in one instance) Refind. Does QEMU/KVM support setting up Secure Boot, in a way that passes Microsoft Muster? Okay, I may be finding my own answers, via a Super User web page on this, using Manjaro and ovmf: https://superuser.com/questions/1389103/windows-10-uefi-physical-to-kvm-libvirt-virtual And now I see that Bullseye has ovmf available as a package. So this will be my next Project. I guess I am asking if anyone on this list has been successful with a virtualized Secure Boot that Microsoft likes? Have a nice day :) > > Thomas > Many thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: Upgrading to Bullseye?
On Thu, May 27, 2021, 9:12 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 05:45:33AM -0700, latin...@vcn.bc.ca wrote: > > Hello list > > > > can somebody help with the correct sources.lst Bullseye please? > > There are several correct answers, depending on what you want. > > If you intend to *stay* on bullseye when it becomes stable, then I > would go with: > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye main contrib non-free > deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye-security main > contrib non-free > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye-updates main contrib non-free > Thank you for reminding me to add "bullseye-security". I went to Bullseye a while ago, because Buster didn't have my needed release level of qemu-kvm. But this is, pretty close to being a "production system". Right now, those last two lines don't do anything, but they'll become > active once bullseye is stable. Note that the format of the security > line has changed slightly since buster, so simply replacing buster with > bullseye in a file from a current Debian release isn't correct. > > You may also need to add bullseye-backports later, but you can worry > about those later, if you need them. > I only use Backports, if needed for a particular product. > > If you intend to continue tracking "testing" even after bullseye > becomes stable, then simply use this: > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free > > There are no security updates for testing, so that's it. > Thanks! Kenneth Parker >
Re: How do I permanently disable unattended downloads of software/security updates?
On Tue, May 25, 2021, 1:25 PM Stella Ashburne wrote: > My OS is Debian 10.9 and has the kernel version: > > Linux localhost 5.10.0-0.bpo.5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.10.24-1~bpo10+1 > (2021-03-29) x86_64 GNU/Linux > > 1. I have already configured the OS not to download software updates > automatically by using the widget "Software & Updates". Click the URL below > to see a screenshot of the Software Updates: > > https://ibb.co/bs7pF9q > > 2. I deleted the file 50unattended-upgrades located in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ > > In spite of the above two actions, Debian 10.9 still downloads software > and security updates for me automatically in the background. Could someone > help me with a fix that really works? > One step I have taken is "apt-get purge unattended-upgrades". That said, I regularly update and upgrade my systems. > > Thanks. > > Marcello > Good luck! Kenneth Parker >
Re: [OT] Re: Social-media antipathy (was Re: How i can optimize my operating system?)
On Sat, May 8, 2021, 7:22 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 21 mar 21, 09:55:32, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > Of course the *primary* private key should be protected properly. A > > Debian recommendation (that I can't find) was suggesting to generate and > > keep it on a Tails USB stick and use it only for certifying other keys. > I would modify that slightly: Save it on two, *different* Tails USB Sticks, and save them in different locations. Kenneth Parker > > > > Day to day work (messages, signing packages, etc.) should be done with > > sub-keys instead. > > Found it: > > https://wiki.debian.org/GnuPG/AirgappedMasterKey > > > Kind regards, > Andrei > -- > http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser >
Re: When to reboot after dist-upgrade?
On Sun, May 2, 2021, 9:42 PM riveravaldez wrote: > Hi, sorry if this is not the place to ask (and in that case please > point me in the proper direction). > > I'm trying to distinguish when a system reboot is an absolute need > and when it is absolutely safe to keep the system running/working > after a `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`, once > I have already performed a complete restart of all needed services > through `sudo needrestart' options in Debian testing. > In general, if the Kernel is updated, plan to Restart. Usually, dist-upgrade is required, when Version Numbers change, requiring addition of new packages. The Linux Kernel is a common (but not the only) reason for this. Also beware, because Debian occasionally will update the Kernel without updating the Version Number. So it is possible that a Restart is required, without a dist-upgrade. Good luck! Kenneth Parker > So, in a situation like this: > > $ sudo apt-get dist-upgrade > Reading package list ... Done > Creating dependency tree ... Done > Reading status information ... Done > Calculating the update ... Done > The following packages have been withheld: >imagemagick inkscape libc-bin libc6 libc6-dbg libcrypt1 > libpoppler-glib8 local openssh-client openssh-server > openssh-sftp-server ssh > 0 updated, 0 new will be installed, 0 to remove, and 12 not updated. > > $ sudo needrestart > Scanning processes... > Scanning processor microcode... > Scanning linux images... > > Running kernel seems to be up-to-date. > > Failed to check for processor microcode upgrades. > > No services need to be restarted. > > No containers need to be restarted. > > No user sessions are running outdated binaries. > > $ sudo checkrestart > lsof: WARNING: can't stat() fuse.gvfsd-fuse file system /run/user/1000/gvfs > Output information may be incomplete. > Found 6 processes using old versions of upgraded files > (1 distinct program) > (0 distinct packages) > No packages seem to need to be restarted. > (please read checkrestart(8)) > > , would be perfectly safe and right to keep the system running or on > the contrary should I perform a (warm/cold?) reboot to be safe? > > Thanks a lot in advance for any hint or info. > > Kind regards. > > PS: `apt-get dist-upgrade` output is translated to English..., system is > in Spanish and I keep not-remembering how to force console output > to English, sorry... > >
Re: Installing Debian 10.9 Buster on iMac G5 (powerpc)
On Sun, May 2, 2021, 11:51 AM Charlie Gibbs wrote: > On Sun May 2 08:17:13 2021 Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On Sun, May 02, 2021 at 04:38:21PM +0200, didier gaumet wrote: > > > >> From what I understand (If I understand correctly), your processor > >> is a powerpc64 Big Indian, not a powerpc64 Little Indian [...] > > > > That's "Endian", not "Indian". > > 8080 One little, > 8085 Two little, > 8086 Three little-endians > 8088 Four little, > 80186Five little, > 80286Six little-endians > 80386Seven little, > 80386SX Eight little, > 80486Nine little-endians > Pentium DIVIDE ERROR > +1 Kenneth Parker >
Re: about Wayland (was: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE)
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 5:46 PM Felix Miata wrote: > Kenneth Parker composed on 2021-04-22 17:33 (UTC-0400): > > > One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which > > doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops. > > Wayland isn't simple drop-in or replacement for Xorg. Some things that > many Xorg > users depend on, Wayland is simply not designed to do: > https://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/wayland-2021.html > https://www.secjuice.com/wayland-vs-xorg/ > -- > Thanks for the links. I have done, some of my own research finding, among other things, a "Live DVD Wayland Demo" on Sourceforge, called "Rebecca Black OS". https://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/ It was, by using the Live DVD that I found the issues, attempting to use Wayland on one of my Laptops (an old HP). (By the way, it even includes Wayland's own Demonstration, called Weston). Thanks again! Kenneth Parker 0. Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, > based on faith, not based on science. > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! > > Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ > >
Re: TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:57 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 04:23:02PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as > I > > am not familiar with it. > > > > How does it compare with the current KDE? Other than a qemu VM with KDE > > (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for > > most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop). > > > > Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess? > > > > Thanks! > > > > Kenneth Parker > > It's designed to replace any of the other desktop environments so KDE and > TDE > might be a bit of a mess. Trinity is KDE 3 inspired so KDE from quite a > while > ago - it is lighterweight but it is tied very much to Q4OS which is Debian > based but not pure Debian. > > Does this help? > Yes it does (and thanks, Gene for your input). Like I said, I have a VM to examine the current KDE, and have been puzzled about the Plasma part. Since I examine, closely on Qemu before allowing anything on "bare Metal", I will do the same thing with TDE, and then make up my mind between the two. One thing, of course, about KDE Plasma is Wayland, instead of Xorg, which doesn't appear to support one of my, most used Laptops. Again, thanks to both you, Andrew, and Gene. > > All the very best, as ever, > > Andy C. > Kenneth Parker >
TDE (Trinity Desktop Environment) vs KDE
I saw TDE discussed in another, recent Thread, and had to look it up, as I am not familiar with it. How does it compare with the current KDE? Other than a qemu VM with KDE (so that I can examine it), I haven't used KDE in years (using XFCE for most of my systems, but with one current Gnome Desktop). Is it worth using *instead* of KDE, or would that throw me into a mess? Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: Some services cannot start at boot time because /run is not initialized
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 11:37 AM Dan Ritter wrote: > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > Is Debian using Zram now? (I will need to check my Bullseye system when > I > > get home). > > > > So is Debian "sneaking" Zram on us, or do you have to select it yourself? > > It's an option, not a default. > > -dsr- > Awesome. Kenneth Parker >
Re: Some services cannot start at boot time because /run is not initialized
es OS boots > without > > a single failed service. > > > > How can I debug the problem? > > > > Thank you! > > > > On 2020-05-18 02:39, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > >> On 2020-05-11 20:11, Darac Marjal wrote: > >>> On 11/05/2020 08:40, Reco wrote: > >>>>Hi. > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 09:33:59AM +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> root@debian:~ # systemctl status binfmt-support > >>>>> * binfmt-support.service - Enable support for additional executable > binary formats > >>>>>Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/binfmt-support.service; > enabled; vendor preset: enabled) > >>>>>Active: failed (Result: exit-code) since Sun 2020-05-10 21:54:27 > CEST; 10h ago > >>>>> Docs: man:update-binfmts(8) > >>>>> Process: 353 ExecStart=/usr/sbin/update-binfmts --enable > (code=exited, status=2) > >>>>> Main PID: 353 (code=exited, status=2) > >>>>> > >>>>> May 10 21:54:27 debian update-binfmts[353]: update-binfmts: unable > to open /var/lib/binfmts: No such file or directory > >>>>> > >>>>> Any help is appreciated. > >>>> This should help your problem: > >>>> > >>>> mkdir /etc/systemd/system/binfmt-support.service.d > >>>> > >>>> cat > /etc/systemd/system/binfmt-support.service.d/override.conf << > EOF > >>>> [Unit] > >>>> RequiresMountsFor=/var > >>>> EOF > >>> > >>> As another alternative, one can run "systemctl edit > >>> binfmt-support.service", which will create the intervening folders and > >>> files for you, and reload the daemon if the editor exits with success. > >> > >> Thanks for suggestion! I have tried the advise and it actually worked > >> (I will keep an eye on that because one reboot may not be > representative). > >> I wonder nevertheless what is the problem with this specific unit? It > has > >> dependency on local-fs.target which in turn should mount /var. So what > >> exactly went wrong? > > > -- > With best regards, > Dmitry > Kenneth Parker >
Re: Firefox HTTPS-only mode breaks sites that return 404 for HTTPS connections
On Thu, Apr 15, 2021, 9:32 AM Dan Ritter wrote:
> Kenneth Parker wrote:
> >
> > I use lighttpd for eyeblinkuniverse.com, with nano as my editor. I don't
> > quite understand the Certificates required for https. I guess it is time
> > for some lessons.
>
> The easiest thing to do here is to install certbot.
>
> Assuming that your web root is /var/www and your domain name is
> eyeblinkuniverse.com:
>
> certbot certonly --webroot -w /var/www -d eyeblinkuniverse.com -d
> www.eyeblinkuniverse.com
>
> It will ask you some questions, then it should drop some files
> in /etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse.com/
>
> Now you need to combine those files for lighttpd:
>
> cat /etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse.com/privkey.pem \
> /etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse.com/cert.pem > \
> /etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse/merged.pem
>
> And then tell lighttpd to use it:
>
> $SERVER["socket"] == ":443" {
> ssl.engine = "enable"
> ssl.ca-file = "/etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse.com/chain.pem"
> ssl.pemfile = "/etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse.com/merged.pem"
> }
>
>
> And restart lighttpd. Test your new https://www.eyeblinkuniverse.com
>
> Last step: create a cron job to run once a week that does
> this:
>
> certbot renew && \
> cat /etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse.com/privkey.pem \
> /etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse.com/cert.pem > \
> /etc/letsencrypt/live/eyeblinkuniverse/merged.pem && \
> service lighttpd restart
>
> That should take care of you. If you run into trouble, you're
> using the largest issuer of SSL certs and the most popular
> client, and the cron job should let you know a month before the
> cert actually expires.
>
Wow. Thanks! I had, also discussed this with the Support Staff at
Linode. You said it "MUCH" clearer than they did.
I am in the process of a System Upgrade (from Ubuntu 14.04 to Debian
Buster) and this will become, one of my, more enjoyable tasks.
Kenneth Parker
>
Re: Firefox HTTPS-only mode breaks sites that return 404 for HTTPS connections
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 11:57 PM Joe Pfeiffer wrote: > Kenneth Parker writes: > > > On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:16 PM Celejar wrote: > > > > On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:57:01 +0100 > > piorunz wrote: > > > > > On 14/04/2021 17:19, Celejar wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I recently switched to Firefox's native HTTPS-Only mode from the > > > > HTTPS Everywhere extension, and I've just made the nasty discovery > that > > > > a bunch of links that had been returning 404, which I had been > assuming > > > > were dead links, were actually perfectly valid pages, which Firefox > had > > > > been "upgrading" to HTTPS, and then getting 404s from web servers > that > > > > weren't offering them via HTTPS (but still apparently accepting > > > > connections via HTTPS). Clicking on the little lock icon and turning > > > > HTTPS-Only mode off for the website doesn't seem to have any effect > - > > > > the only thing that lets me actually access these pages is turning > off > > > > HTTPS-Only mode via the general Settings page (or about:config). > > > > > > > > When the website doesn't offer HTTPS at all, then Firefox offers to > > > > connect via HTTP, after a warning, and that's fine. But having pages > > > > become completely inaccessible is intolerable - I now have to check > > > > every 404 I get by turning off HTTPS-Only mode and seeing if the > > > > page is actually there. Am I missing something here, or is > HTTPS-Only > > > > mode just badly broken? > > > > > > It certainly works fine for me. I use https only mode for many months > > > now. Can you bring an example of a page which returns good page on > http, > > > but 404 error on https? > > > > http://www.daat.ac.il/ > > https://www.daat.ac.il/ > > > > Celejar > > > > Indeed: A "Universe Site" that I host on Linode doesn't use https. So, > > https://eyeblinkuniverse.com -- doesn't work: "Problem loading > page - Unable to connect" > > http://eyeblinkuniverse.com-- Works properly on my version of > Firefox: Firefox 78.9.0esr (64-bit) on Debian Bullseye. > > > > Does this mean that I can look forward to this failure, when the new > Firefox comes out? Why can't people still make simple, text-based web > > pages that can be read to a Blind Person? See, I don't do forms, data > entry, or anything on my opening screens. For that, it links to a > > Blogspot, which uses some of Google's Bells and Whistles. > > > > In other words, is this the end of the "Simple Web"? > > https has nothing to do with "simple web" -- I term I don't remember > having seen before, but I like. All the TLS negotiation is handled by > the web server and browser, and it's easy enough to set up with > letsencryupt that there's really no excuse for not doing it (says the > guy who hasn't gotten it set up yet for a shotgun club web site he > manages... really need to do that...). > I use lighttpd for eyeblinkuniverse.com, with nano as my editor. I don't quite understand the Certificates required for https. I guess it is time for some lessons. Thanks! Kenneth Parker >
Re: Firefox HTTPS-only mode breaks sites that return 404 for HTTPS connections
On Wed, Apr 14, 2021 at 10:16 PM Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:57:01 +0100 > piorunz wrote: > > > On 14/04/2021 17:19, Celejar wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I recently switched to Firefox's native HTTPS-Only mode from the > > > HTTPS Everywhere extension, and I've just made the nasty discovery that > > > a bunch of links that had been returning 404, which I had been assuming > > > were dead links, were actually perfectly valid pages, which Firefox had > > > been "upgrading" to HTTPS, and then getting 404s from web servers that > > > weren't offering them via HTTPS (but still apparently accepting > > > connections via HTTPS). Clicking on the little lock icon and turning > > > HTTPS-Only mode off for the website doesn't seem to have any effect - > > > the only thing that lets me actually access these pages is turning off > > > HTTPS-Only mode via the general Settings page (or about:config). > > > > > > When the website doesn't offer HTTPS at all, then Firefox offers to > > > connect via HTTP, after a warning, and that's fine. But having pages > > > become completely inaccessible is intolerable - I now have to check > > > every 404 I get by turning off HTTPS-Only mode and seeing if the > > > page is actually there. Am I missing something here, or is HTTPS-Only > > > mode just badly broken? > > > > It certainly works fine for me. I use https only mode for many months > > now. Can you bring an example of a page which returns good page on http, > > but 404 error on https? > > http://www.daat.ac.il/ > https://www.daat.ac.il/ > > Celejar > Indeed: A "Universe Site" that I host on Linode doesn't use https. So, https://eyeblinkuniverse.com -- doesn't work: "Problem loading page - Unable to connect" http://eyeblinkuniverse.com-- Works properly on my version of Firefox: Firefox 78.9.0esr (64-bit) on Debian Bullseye. Does this mean that I can look forward to this failure, when the new Firefox comes out? Why can't people still make simple, text-based web pages that can be read to a Blind Person? See, I don't do forms, data entry, or anything on my opening screens. For that, it links to a Blogspot, which uses some of Google's Bells and Whistles. In other words, is this the end of the "Simple Web"? Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 7:02 PM Cmdte Alpha Tigre Z wrote: > El jue, 25 mar 2021 a las 17:31, Kenneth Parker () > escribió: > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 12:09 PM David Wright > wrote: > >> But it appears that I might need to point out that it's very easy and > >> quick to re-collect a failing installation log at any time if the > >> "original" ones were lost/overwritten or whatever: > >> > >> 1. Boot with the appropriate installation medium. > >> > >> 2. Proceed with expert installation in the original manner, > >> as far as the "Detect Network Hardware", which of course fails. > >> > >> 3. After the failure, and back at the Main Menu, select > >> "Save debug logs". > >> > >> 4. Insert a USB stick, switch to VC2, mount the stick and create > >> a directory on it. > >> > >> 5. Back at VC1, complete the directory name at the prompt and > >> save the logs. (ls on VC2 if you want to check them.) > >> > >> 6. Select "Abort the installation". All that should have taken > >> about five or ten minutes so far. > >> > >> 7. Read/edit/post excerpts from the logs at leisure. (That's when > >> it helps to know what strings you're looking for.) > > > > > > Since the actual logs from the Install are small, I proceeded, up to # > 6. And then, tarred the resulting directory, and sent it to the Bug Report. > > > >> That's what's lacking from the bug report. > > > > > > Hopefully, this will help. > > Thank you, Mr. Kenneth Parker. > > I noticed in the "syslog" that modprobe couldn't find the module > "rtw_8723de" > that was not listed on the "hardware-summary"; instead, lsmod shows > "rtw88_8723de". > Then, the module "r8169" tried to load the firmware but that module > belongs to the > GbE card. > > I think I'll be sending this to the bug report. > Thank you! Have a nice day. > You too. > > -- > Time zone: GMT-4 > Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021, 12:09 PM David Wright wrote: > On Wed 24 Mar 2021 at 22:25:42 (-0600), Charles Curley wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:52:31 -0500 David Wright wrote: > > > > > ... [W]e haven't yet been shown any direct evidence of > > > which module drives the 8723, nor of what firmware it uses. > > > (These can easily be determined from dmesg when the installed > > > system is running.) > > > > Also, more detail from /var/log/syslog while d-i is running, and > > from /var/log/installer/ after installation is complete. > > Yes, that was my very next sentence, which you snipped: "This should > allow a more focussed report from the installation logs (of which > we've seen nothing IIRC)." > > But it appears that I might need to point out that it's very easy and > quick to re-collect a failing installation log at any time if the > "original" ones were lost/overwritten or whatever: > > 1. Boot with the appropriate installation medium. > > 2. Proceed with expert installation in the original manner, > as far as the "Detect Network Hardware", which of course fails. > > 3. After the failure, and back at the Main Menu, select > "Save debug logs". > > 4. Insert a USB stick, switch to VC2, mount the stick and create > a directory on it. > > 5. Back at VC1, complete the directory name at the prompt and > save the logs. (ls on VC2 if you want to check them.) > > 6. Select "Abort the installation". All that should have taken > about five or ten minutes so far. > > 7. Read/edit/post excerpts from the logs at leisure. (That's when > it helps to know what strings you're looking for.) > Since the actual logs from the Install are small, I proceeded, up to # 6. And then, tarred the resulting directory, and sent it to the Bug Report. That's what's lacking from the bug report. > Hopefully, this will help. > > The OP wrote "The Problem is Recreated. It's hard to figure out how > to describe something so early in the Install Process." > > That's how you do it. > I overlooked the presence of the Debug Logs. > > Cheers, > David. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 6:03 AM Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 20:26:47 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem" > > Indeed. I should not have offered the advice in that manner > and tone. Aplologies. > Absolutely accepted. No problem. > > -- > Brian. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
Thanks. I submitted "how to Recreate". Text file of submission is in another reply. Kenneth Parker On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 9:11 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 08:26:47PM -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem". > > > > The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list". Is that true? Can I > > "submit updates"? > > Yes, you can reply to the bug to add information to the bug report. > Anyone can. > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
I submitted the following Text to Bug 985755. Text File has How to Recreate the Problem. Kenneth Parker 1. Have Laptop, with the following WiFi Hardware (as per lspci Command): > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter 2. Use Netinst CD to begin an Install. I tried this with many different ones, from Buster, Bullseye, Bullseye with Non-Free, Sid. 3. Follow Instructions up to Network Configuration. Note: I have used both Text Installer and Expert Text Installer. 4. Offending Step is, "Detect Network Hardware". It takes about a minute wait, before something, perhaps times out, and it returns, sure that there is ONLY an Ethernet Port on the Laptop. The Problem is Recreated. It's hard to figure out how to describe something so early in the Install Process. Hopefully, this helps. Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 6:58 PM Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 18:12:08 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < > > charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > > > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > > > > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > > > able to provide more data. > > > > > > > Submitted. Bug#985755. > > > > As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode. > > Pretty useless as it stands. It basically says - something doesn't > work. No mention of this thread; no mention of whether a kernel module > was loaded; no mention of firmware. > I think my best, followup is to state "how to recreate the problem". The Bug Report looks like a "temporary email list". Is that true? Can I "submit updates"? > > But maybe someone will put the time in to investigate. > -- > Brian. > Thanks! Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 6:52 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 16:44:12 -0400 > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the > > pieces, needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. > > *You* can't find wpasupplicant, or the debian installer (d-i) can't > find wpasupplicant? My logs indicate that it is present, that d-i > installs it, but that netcfg can't find it when it needs it. > Actually, there were User Errors included here. I couldn't find the packages I needed to bring up WiFi, after manual installation of Firmware. The User Error was my failure to look in the packages available but not installed, on the netinst CD itself. One obvious way to proceed is to ensure that the netinst CD is still in the Apt Sources file. > > > > My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard" > > netinst. Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for > > WiFi? I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb > > files. (Just thought of it now). > > The "standard" approved, official, rubber stamped and delivered in a > official dispatch box has no firmware binary blobs on it. The > unofficial version indeed has the firmware blobs on it (unless the one > you need is too new to have made it in), and the code to detect the > need and apply it. > > I am using the unofficial, with firmware version, > firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso, dated Mar 14 23:28. On my > problematic hardware (an ancient 686 IBM R51), the firmware I need is > present and gets installed properly. But I still do not get a > connection. > I believe that we are in the same boat, right now. Thanks for the help and support, Charles. Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > able to provide more data. > Submitted. Bug#985755. As reportbug figured out, this was submitted in Novice Mode. Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 4:40 PM Brian wrote: > On Mon 22 Mar 2021 at 14:52:26 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:06 AM Andrei POPESCU > > > wrote: > > [...] > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after > > > completing the installation. > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > You have a prima facie case for that (I checked with the Debian > Bullseye Netinst CD). Have you checkd the relevant nodules have > been loaded? Have you tried loading firmware as David Wright > outlines? > I loaded "incomplete" (I think) firmware and, as noted in my response to Charles, am fighting with getting the commands, needed to navigate WiFi. But it sounds like a good time to go back to a networked system and figure out how to put in an intelligent Bug Report. > Brian. > Kenneth Parker >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021, 3:54 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2021 14:52:26 -0400 > Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > > > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately > > > after completing the installation. > > > > > > > That's next on my list. > > Please let us know the bug number. I have a similar issue and may be > able to provide more data. > I am still mucking around, trying to get WiFi working. I guess that I should put in a "narrow" Bug Report, about netinst not finding RTL8723DE and then go back to my attempts to get WiFi working. My issue now, is that the results of netinst doesn't have all the pieces, needed for WiFi. For example, I can't find wpasupplicant. My latest test, for the purpose of the Bug Report is the "standard" netinst. Is it correct, that it should be missing prerequisites for WiFi? I didn't try (yet) mounting the CD, to look for missing .deb files. (Just thought of it now). Thanks, Charles. Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 7:06 AM Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 21 mar 21, 20:17:32, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian wrote: > > > > No good. I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" - > > Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50" > > (Above was the description in the Expert Text Install). > > Try a more recent weekly image, it should have a slightly newer kernel. > Done. Debian "Bullseye" Official Snapshot amd64 Netinst 20210315-93:04 > > One note: It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step, > > before continuing, and only finding Ethernet. > Same behavior. > So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter? (After Installation, > > I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works). > Note: This is an "Over-Simplification" of Agonizing Work, to get to where I was. For example, "lspci" is what gives me the Adapter Information. The first place where I got this Adapter to work was Mint 20. However, in preparation for helping my friend, I got Firmware and Drivers, using only a Bullseye KDE System, via the Non-Free routes. Maybe it triggers a bug in the D-I and/or kernel in the images you tried > so far. > I concur, based on my latest Install attempt. And, by the way, using only the Minimal Sid system, "ip a" gives no info AT ALL about the WiFi Adapter. If the latest weekly shows the same symptoms... It does... > ...I'd suggest you file a bug > against debian-installer, preferably with reportbug immediately after > completing the installation. > That's next on my list. Kind regards, > Andrei > Many thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021, 9:24 PM Robbi Nespu wrote: > On 22/3/2021 6:27 am, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo > > Ideapad Laptop. This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi > available. > > > > Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via > > a "lspci" command: > > > > > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE > > 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter > > > > So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, > > first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster > > 10.3 NetInst CD. > > > > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for > > the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the > > Network Configuration fails! > > > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > > where it is asking for it. > > > > Any Insights? > > > > Thanks in advance! > > > > Kenneth Parker > Does the installer said missing firmware? or nothing at all? > It sits for, about a minute in the "Detect Network Hardware" step. Then, when it continues, only the Ethernet Port is detected. It does not, even *ask* about Firmware. So, nothing at all. if the installer said missing firmware, you may take look my previous > thread[2] (my solution are here[2]) > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/02/msg00727.html > [2] https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/02/msg00766.html So, for my purposes, install without network is the best that I can do. And then, in the running system, install the Firmware. Thanks! Kenneth Parker > >
Re: WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
On Sun, Mar 21, 2021 at 7:05 PM Brian wrote: > On Sun 21 Mar 2021 at 18:27:22 -0400, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > [...] > > > In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried > > Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, > > and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for > the > > purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network > > Configuration fails! > > > > I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the > > /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, > > where it is asking for it. > > > > Any Insights? > > Try an official unofficial image linked at > > https://www.debian.org/distrib/ No good. I downloaded "Debian GNU/Linux bullseye-DI-alpha3 "Bullseye" - Unofficial amd64 NETINST with firmware 20201203-12:50" (Above was the description in the Expert Text Install). One note: It took about a minute on the "Detect Network Hardware" step, before continuing, and only finding Ethernet. So what is special about the RTL8723DE WiFi Adapter? (After Installation, I can find it, and the Realtek Firmware works). Thanks in advance, Kenneth Parker
WiFi Hardware not detected, during Debian NetInst Install
Hello, Later this week, I will be helping a friend install Debian onto a Lenovo Ideapad Laptop. This will be in a Public Space with, only WiFi available. Both his Lenovo, and my HP Laptop have the same WiFi hardware, found via a "lspci" command: > Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8723DE 802.11b/g/n PCIe Adapter So, to ensure that we can complete the Install, I wanted to test, using, first a Debian Bullseye Netinst CD and, when it failed, a Debian Buster 10.3 NetInst CD. In both cases, I used my favorite, Text / Expert Install (but also tried Bullseye with the "normal" Text Install). it gets to the step, to find, and configure the Network, but only finds the Ethernet Port which, for the purposes of my test, has no Cable attached. So, obviously, the Network Configuration fails! I was ready for it to Find the WiFi, and had, in advance, populated the /firmware directory of a USB Thumbdrive, but it never gets to the step, where it is asking for it. Any Insights? Thanks in advance! Kenneth Parker
Re: How to manually install WiFi firmware on Debian Live?
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 4:44 PM Anssi Saari wrote: > Kenneth Parker writes: > > > That brings up a question: Do Debian and Devuan (Debian fork without > SystemD) use the same Kernels? > > > > (And I may be able to answer my own question when I get home, as I run > both). > > At least the versions look similar, 4.19 in stable and 5.10 from > backports. > I didn't find what I was looking for (same Kernel in Debian and Devuan, where I could compare files) but, as Anssi found, they seem to come from the same place. Kenneth Parker >
Re: How to manually install WiFi firmware on Debian Live?
On Mon, Mar 15, 2021, 12:45 PM Anssi Saari wrote: > Tixy writes: > > > That doesn't seem to be the standard method for the last 9 years, > > see... > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/518942/ > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/8/5/175 > > Thanks. > > > Maybe the old ways are still enabled in Debian and used in some cases? > > My bullseye kernel does have the kernel config enabled for user side > > firmware loaders, I've not looked at udev. > > I seriously doubt that. udev is part of systemd now and it seems crazy > Debian would maintain old code like that. With a quick look at the the > patches Debian applies to udev there are six but none of them seem > relevant to firmware loading. > That brings up a question: Do Debian and Devuan (Debian fork without SystemD) use the same Kernels? (And I may be able to answer my own question when I get home, as I run both). Kenneth Parker >
Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021, 5:06 AM Richard Owlett wrote: > On 03/07/2021 12:48 AM, Kenneth Parker wrote: > >[snip] > > I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that > > I'm here, it's "sort of" grown on me. > > > > What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's available on > > Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to, carefully read the > > Documentation before Installing. > > > > I quickly browsed http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/, its homepage, which > contains many references. Any other recommended reading on UEFI? > If you include the "reading list" at the bottom of the web page, I have not found anything better. (And this is one of the few occasions, where I responded to the request for financial donations). Kenneth Parker
Re: on the verge of shopping for new desktop hardware, recommendations?
On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 12:03 AM Dan Hitt wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 8:59 PM Dan Hitt wrote: > >> I think that i will need to get new desktop hardware, so i'm trying to >> figure out what to do. >> >> When i got my last hardware, one challenge was UEFI booting, iirc. After >> dealing with it, i sort of lost track of what was happening in that arena. >> However, i don't want to get involved with that again. >> > I was dragged, "kicking and screaming" to UEFI booting. But, now that I'm here, it's "sort of" grown on me. What helped me, a lot, is a package called Refind. It's available on Debian, through normal Apt-Get, though it's good to, carefully read the Documentation before Installing. I'm sort of thinking about getting a Dell Inspiron but maybe i should buy >> from a linux vendor instead, such as 76? Presumably at least in that case >> at least i wouldn't have to worry about the bios. >> >> I certainly would want to get something which supported 2 or 3 internal >> disks, but i would also like to get something that could be booted from an >> external usb drive. Does that make sense? >> > Yes it does. As I said, I had a lot of trouble with UEFI at the beginning and, so had a workaround of setting it up to (by default) boot from an external USB Stick, but boot Linux Partitions on the main Hard Drive. Would it make sense to look for something where all usb ports are usb 3.0? >> I've never used usb 3.0 at home, so i'm kind of unclued. >> >> In a way, i'd like to have something with 2 ethernet ports on the >> motherboard, although i've found that usb-to-ethernet is adequate for my >> purposes. >> >> And i think i'd like to stick with debian, but i would consider any free >> OS. (So if i bought a Dell, i would add a disk drive or two, and boot off >> the debian disk, probably removing the windows disk.) >> > I have a mix on my HP Pavilion Desktop, with the two I boot most being Debian Bullseye and Mint 20. I'd appreciate any pointers or recommendations. >> > > And i forgot to add that i would like to be able to easily run qemu or > other virtual machines. How would that affect the choice of processor, > amount of memory, and disks? > That's one reason I am running Bullseye: I set up qemu-kvm on Mint 20, put a guest in, and promptly ran low on space. So I wanted to export it to Debian, but found that the version of qemu was higher than the one on Buster (which wouldn't allow the Import). So I'm on Bullseye. Research the differences between the versions of qemu and you might want Bullseye also. TIA! > > dan > Happy to help. Kenneth Parker
Re: How to self-load non-freeware firmware on existing netinst ISO installer
On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 10:09 AM Robbi Nespu wrote: > I have another laptop which dual boot with Fedora and Windows10, it is not > my primary laptop since 9 months ago and I haven't used it since then. I > plan to fully install Debian testing on this machine because this laptop > has dual graphic cards (optimus) and theoretically, with Debian 11 (or > newer), special configuration shouldn't be needed and offloading should be > available as soon as you've installed the proprietary drivers[1]. This > machine has a faulty LAN port and only 1 of 3 USB ports are usable. So I > can only use 1 USB per time and only WIFI for the network connection. > > Since Debian provides an unofficial netinst image for i386/amd64/powerpc > with the non-free firmware, I go and download the ISO[2] and make a > bootable USB installer. > > But when I during the installation process (on "detect network hardware" > phase), debian-installer dialog asked me to load 2 firmware which is > iwIwifi-2030-6.ucode and iwIwifi-2030-5.ucode .. I feel perplexed about > this. So I checked the USB, it already have the firmware but with deb > package format: > > /firmware/firmware-iwlwifi_20201218-3_all.deb > /pool/non-free/f/firmware-nonfree/firmware-iwlwifi_20201218-3_all.deb > > Seems this firmware load on the next stage which is after network setup > and after do the partitioning stuff. I wonder why, since this is netinst I > need network working from the during installation process, not after that. > > Question : > a) Is it possible to do self modification on the installation script so > the wifi chip will be available and working during the installation process > so I can pull the packages that I want during installation from Debian > mirror. If yes, how and if no, please suggest me some solutions that don't > need me to fix LAN port, buy cable and router (since I use wifi hotspot > from my phone) > When I had a situation like that, my workaround was to install without the Network (but with the netinst CD), stopping at the "minimal system". It actually gives you a bootable system. And then, use the external media to get WiFi working, and go from there. > > The precompile firmware are available here[3] and here[4] > > TLDR; I want firmware-iwlwifi already loaded and working during Debian > installation phase, not after install. > > [1] https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus#PRIMEOffload > [2] > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-testing-amd64-netinst.iso > [3] > https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/_media/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi-2030-ucode-18.168.6.1.tgz > [4] https://github.com/OpenELEC/iwlwifi-firmware/tree/master/firmware > Kenneth Parker > >
Re: identifying my LInux machine on my LAN
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021, 11:56 AM IL Ka wrote: > Check that > * connection is not blocked by firewall: ``sudo iptables -L`` > * your ssh is listening for port 22: ``ss -l -t`` > * your ip address is correct: ``ip addr`` > I would add: Check if openssh-server is installed. > > On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 7:50 PM Paul Scott wrote: > >> My LAN used to have 1 or two computers and/or debices and my Debian >> Linux machine on it. I used to be able to log in either on the LAN from >> my wife's Windows computer or from outside the LAN with my Debian laptop >> with ssh or Windows machines on which I had installed putty or Bitvise. >> >> I have dynamic DNS hosted by Dyn and I use ddclient. >> >> I currently use DHCP for my Debian machine and have also attempted to >> connect with its local IP from the Windows machine on the LAN. >> >> Now all methods fail. >> >> I don't remember if attachments are allowed but I will attach one >> example of a failure as I possible clue. >> >> TIA for any help, >> >> Paul >> > Kenneth Parker >
Re: chromium: ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 4:01 PM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 3:51 PM Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > >> On 2/12/21 10:39 PM, Jeremy Ardley wrote: >> > >> > For problematic sites I use GNU Web instead. It will be perfectly >> > adequate to access your switch web page. >> > >> >> What is GNU Web, does Debian have package for it? >> > > I know of GNU IceCat. Is that what is being referred to here? > I answered my own question: There's also a "Gnome Web", originally called Epiphany. And, referring to my prior response, IceCat may not be, directly packaged under Debian. (At least I don't see it). Kenneth Parker > >>
Re: chromium: ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 3:51 PM Georgi Naplatanov wrote: > On 2/12/21 10:39 PM, Jeremy Ardley wrote: > > > > For problematic sites I use GNU Web instead. It will be perfectly > > adequate to access your switch web page. > > > > What is GNU Web, does Debian have package for it? > I know of GNU IceCat. Is that what is being referred to here? > > Kind regards > Georgi > Kenneth Parker >
Re: website permissions and ownership
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 2:10 AM Richard Hector wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm reviewing how I set up websites (mostly Wordpress at the moment), > and would like other opinions on what I'm planning is sane. > > My plan is to have a user eg "mysite" that owns all/most of the standard > files and directories. > > The webserver (actually php-fpm) would run as "mysite-run". > > Group ownership of the files would then be mysite-run, but group-write > permission would not be granted except where required, eg the 'uploads' > and 'cache' directories. > > Files in those directories, created by the php-fpm process, would > obviously be owned by mysite-run. > > Alternatively the group ownership of most of the directories could > remain with mysite, and but the uploads and cache directories > group-owned (and group-writeable) by mysite-run. > > The objective of course is that site code can't write to anything it > shouldn't. I know that means that I'll have to install upgrades, plugins > etc with the wp cli tool. > > I earlier had thoughts of improving this with ACLs, but a) this got > really complicated and b) it didn't seem to solve some of the problems I > was trying to solve. > > I wanted to be able to allow other users (those who might need to update > sites) to be able to log in as themselves and make changes, but IIRC > nothing (other than sudo or setuid tools) will allow them to set the > ownership back to 'mysite', which is what I want it to be. I'm aware of > bindfs, which allows fuse mounting of filesystems with permission > translation, but as far as I can tell, it doesn't allow mapping of > userids. Tools could help, but I'd rather some of these users had SFTP > access only, which would prevent them being used. > > Any thoughts? > I like some of the ideas, mentioned by others, including SELinux issues. But, for a High Security Website, I prefer Lighttpd over Apache2 and, especially WordPress. Am I mostly on the right track? > Mostly. > > Thanks, > Richard > Kenneth Parker
Re: Teamviewer and Wayland on Debian Buster Gnome desktop
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 12:24 PM deloptes wrote: > David Wright wrote: > > > I'm unconvinced with the Noob explanation. My search engine corrects > > wyland→wayland itself, whether I prefix the search with teamviewer, > > gnome, or x11. Searching for 'buster wyland' suggests 'buster wiand', > > but the first hit is still 'Wayland - Debian Wiki', and there are > > several wayland hits before any pointing to the artist Wyland. > > Kenneth Parker is training the search engine (chuckle). My subjective > observation says you wait for one day and then it works much better. I > would be not surprised if Google were consolidating the results over > night - or it just takes about 24h to finish the processing. > +1 The closest thing to, what David said, is that Google asked me if I meant "wayland", but it didn't autocorrect. Thanks! Kenneth Parker >
Re: Teamviewer and Wayland on Debian Buster Gnome desktop
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 11:20 AM deloptes wrote: > Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Duh. Don't be a prick over typos. > > Sorry guys, I don't know the beast and don't use it. I just watched a > presentation about it once. > I did not cross check how it is exactly spelled. So it was more of an > ignorance than a typo. > Thank you! I spent, quite some time trying to hunt down a Package called "Wyland", even getting into a half-filled Rabbit Hole in the Fedora World (that just vanished). I am sure there will be others, ignorant about Graphical Packages on Linux. Kenneth Parker
Re: Teamviewer and Wyland on Debian Buster Gnome desktop
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 10:18 AM Dominik George wrote: > >Excuse me, but I am drawing a Blank, when searching for information on a > >Package called "Wyland". Are you, by any chance referring to Wayland, > the > >alternative to Xorg? > > Congratulations. > > Not even I am that obsessed with pointing out the mistakes of others. > Please!I am a Noob, when it comes to X11 vs Wayland. And I have, *multiple* times been introduced to new Packages, via the Debian Users email list. I was, fully expecting to find a reference to something, more related to Remote Control than Graphics, actually *called* Wyland. I am learning, just like others on this List. Kenneth Parker >
Re: Teamviewer and Wyland on Debian Buster Gnome desktop
On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 8:30 AM deloptes wrote: > Hi, > > after upgrading one machine from Stretch to Buster Teamviewer told me that > it does not support remote control with Wyland. > Excuse me, but I am drawing a Blank, when searching for information on a Package called "Wyland". Are you, by any chance referring to Wayland, the alternative to Xorg? Thanks! Kenneth Parker >
Re: Open Source Flash Alternatives
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 3:56 AM wrote: > On Fri, Jan 01, 2021 at 06:17:32PM -0500, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > [...] > > > Update: I just installed Stretch in QEMU-KVM in my "Knockabout" Mint 20 > > system and was able to install Gnash on it. I did a bit of research into > > Gnu Gnash, seeing that it may not be currently maintained. I wonder if > > that decision was made before Flash was going Extinct? > > > > I don't consider this closed, because of the large number of Standalone > > .swf files. But I have something to test and, may contact gnu.org about > > Gnash. > > Gnash has been removed June 2018 [1]. It depended on old libs and there > was nobody willing to take over the burden, it seems. > > Such decisions are taken in the open. Everyone can chime in, this is > Debian. Folks, if you care about a piece of software, get together. > Help out. That's how the whole thing is supposed to work. > > Cheers > > [1] https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/gnash > - t > I will contact gnu.org and see about taking it over. It will be a Challenge, but I've got more time on my hands now. Thanks for the Link! Kenneth Parker
Re: Open Source Flash Alternatives
On Fri, Jan 1, 2021, 10:29 AM Kenneth Parker wrote: > Since Adobe Flash is going the way of the Dodo Bird, I thought I'd check > up on Open Source Alternatives, since I have some Standalone .swf files > (games, etc). > > Two came up in my searches, Lightspark (which seems to be, mainly a > Plug-in), and Ghu Gnash, which I like better, since it works as a > Standalone Program. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem available in Bullseye > (and Search didn't find it for Buster either). It DOES show up in Stretch, > but that's on a different machine than where my .swf files are. > Update: I just installed Stretch in QEMU-KVM in my "Knockabout" Mint 20 system and was able to install Gnash on it. I did a bit of research into Gnu Gnash, seeing that it may not be currently maintained. I wonder if that decision was made before Flash was going Extinct? I don't consider this closed, because of the large number of Standalone .swf files. But I have something to test and, may contact gnu.org about Gnash. Kenneth Parker >
Open Source Flash Alternatives
Since Adobe Flash is going the way of the Dodo Bird, I thought I'd check up on Open Source Alternatives, since I have some Standalone .swf files (games, etc). Two came up in my searches, Lightspark (which seems to be, mainly a Plug-in), and Ghu Gnash, which I like better, since it works as a Standalone Program. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem available in Bullseye (and Search didn't find it for Buster either). It DOES show up in Stretch, but that's on a different machine than where my .swf files are. What's up? Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: Debian 8 system is not fully functional
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020, 8:08 AM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 12:49:30PM +0800, zhang yang wrote: > > IP_ dynaddr > > To modify and save the prompt: "IP"_ dynaddr" E212: Can't open file for > > writing“. > > So I used Chmod 777 ip_ dynaddr authority, display error: Chmod: changing > > permissions of 'IP_ dynaddr': Operation not permitted. > > I use chaddr - i ip_dynaddr command to removes attributes and displays an > > error: chattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device while reading flags on > > ip_dynaddr. How to set dynaddr? > > For the benefit of others, the file in question is > > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_dynaddr > > /proc is not a regular file system. It's an interface to pieces of the > kernel. Some of these pieces can be read by everyone. Almost none of > them can be *written* by everyone -- you usually have to be root to > write to them. > > chmod 777 is almost always a *huge* mistake. If the permissions on a > file are stopping you from doing someting, there's usually a reason > for that. Destroying the permissions on the file is not the right answer. > Elevating yourself to a higher power level is. > > Now, the next thing you'll want to know is that while root can probably > write to this file, it can't necessary *edit* the file with a text > editor. You're expected to use a much lower level of access to open > the file, write to it, and close it. Typically that's done with > > echo something > /proc/whatever > > Of course this redirection means that it's your shell who needs > privileges to open the file for writing. If you try it as your > regular user, you'll encounter the "permission denied" error that > you already saw. > > The expected course of action is for you to do it from a root shell, > which you obtain by using su or sudo. > > $ su > Password: > # echo something > /proc/whatever > # exit > $ > > If you're not a fan of su, or if you're one of those people who has > decided not to have a root password (a bad idea!), then you can get > a root shell with sudo -s: > > $ sudo -s > # echo something >/proc/whatever > # exit > $ > > (sudo may prompt you for your password if you haven't used sudo in that > terminal in the last few minutes.) > > Some people will try to be clever and do this: > > sudo echo something > /proc/whatever > > That will not work, for the reasons explained at > <https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls#pf53>. +10 That is an Awesome page you have there, Greg! I have Bookmarked it. > You may use one of > the quoted forms on that page if you prefer. But the original design > of the files in /proc was for users with a root shell to perform shell > redirections. Not for sudo. > > Also, while I'm here talking about su, bear in mind that Debian decided > to become more like Red Hat and replaced their version of su with the > one used by Red Hat, and didn't bother configuring it to maintain backward > compatibility with the previous version. See > <https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster#Changes> for workarounds... > Also good. I was never affected by the change, because I always use "su -". Kenneth Parker >
Re: exporting display like
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 7:08 PM Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 6:12 PM Nicolas George wrote: > >> mick crane (12020-12-17): >> > please bear in mind I don't know what I'm doing. >> > It is convenient to have the one display and keyboard/mouse >> > I sometimes if on windows use putty/Xming to start GUI program on other >> > Debian PC. >> > Think I used screen before so can attach/detach from running terminal >> > program but with X display program is it possible to first export to >> other >> > machine then detach and come back to it later on other machine ? >> > There was VNC, is that the way to do that ? >> >> xpra is probably the program you are looking for. > > > Is xpra being updated for Python Version 3? (Google found it in Buster > (2.4.3+dfsg1-1), but gave me an error, when I searched for it on Bullseye). > Update: When I tried to install xpra on Bullseye, the error message was, "Package xpra is not available, but is referred to by another package". Thanks in advance! Kenneth Parker
Re: exporting display like
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020, 6:12 PM Nicolas George wrote: > mick crane (12020-12-17): > > please bear in mind I don't know what I'm doing. > > It is convenient to have the one display and keyboard/mouse > > I sometimes if on windows use putty/Xming to start GUI program on other > > Debian PC. > > Think I used screen before so can attach/detach from running terminal > > program but with X display program is it possible to first export to > other > > machine then detach and come back to it later on other machine ? > > There was VNC, is that the way to do that ? > > xpra is probably the program you are looking for. Is xpra being updated for Python Version 3? (Google found it in Buster (2.4.3+dfsg1-1), but gave me an error, when I searched for it on Bullseye). Kenneth Parker
Re: cherrytree is available again, now in testing !THANK YOU!
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 5:47 PM Marco Möller < ta...@debianlists.mobilxpress.net> wrote: > Dear Giuseppe Penone! > Dear Evgenii Gurianov! > Dear Andrius Merkys! > > Thank you very much for providing Cherrytree in Debian again! > Maybe I missed an announcement about it. I just found it in the testing > repository when searching for it before checking for updates for my > flatpak installation of it. It seems to reside there since end of > october already. Intriguing Package. As one, using Microsoft's OneNote on Android, I am happy to see an Open Source alternative. It installed fine on my Bullseye, and I am in the Learning Curve phase. Is it possible to import notes from OneNote to Cherrytree? Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: Emergency mode when root account locked
On Sat, Dec 12, 2020, 8:16 AM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 01:03:55PM +, Brian wrote: > > On Sat 12 Dec 2020 at 22:53:41 +1100, Keith Bainbridge wrote: > > > > > On 12/12/20 7:29 pm, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > > > AND run sudo as root, for additional safety > > > > Is this supposed to be ironic? I really can't tell. > > > > > > > > > There was a detailed discussion here about sudo being a security issue > > > on our systems. It appears to be default in debian 10, so most of us > get > > > it as default. I looked at replacing sudo. > > > > sudo is set up by default by the installer? You're sure? > > > > -- > > Brian. > > > There is a question as to whether you want to set up a root account, I > think. > If you choose not to, then you get a normal user account. > > If you choose to set up a root user: > If you do _not_ set a root password, then the first user you set up is set > up > with sudo. In Ubuntu, this is the default behaviour, for example. > I use Ubuntu (as well as "pure Debian"). When I install Ubuntu, it does not even give an *option* for a Root Password. The Username that you give during Install goes into the Sudoers list (but not Users defined later). Since I have my own method of System Administration, one of the first things I do, after the first Reboot is "sudo passwd root" and, after completion, I am a happy camper. I'll now need to go and check a standard (as distinct from an expert > install) > I am setting up a Virtual Bullseye Cinnamon system later today. I will, also use "standard install". Between us, we should be able to answer followup questions. > > All the very best, > > Andy C > Thanks! Kenneth Parker >
Re: Replying. [was Re: AMD GPU Sea Islands Problem]
On Sat, Dec 5, 2020, 12:05 PM Charles Curley < charlescur...@charlescurley.com> wrote: > On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 14:11:02 + > Guyenne Tsui wrote: > > > Also, I have no idea how to reply to a thread on a mailing list so it > > would be practical if you teach me how. I use Gmail. I even installed > > Thunderbird as according to Debian Wiki on Mailing Lists but still no > > idea how to reply to people. > > Exactly how you reply to a thread depends on your mail reader. In > general, just reply to an appropriate email in a thread. Control-R is a > common shortcut for the purpose. Your mail reader should pick up the > information necessary so the rest of us will see your reply as part of > the thread. > > Two thoughts on netiquette... > > Trim the text to which you are replying. Get rid of text not > immediately relevant to your reply. Gmail hides that for you, so you > don't see it. Other mail readers don't hide it. I did so above. > > You put two separate subjects (your GPU problem and replying) into the > same email. This means that replies to the two separate subjects will be > interlaced, to everyone's confusion. A partial remedy is for a > responder to change the subject line as appropriate, but even that has > problems. A better approach is to start with a separate email for each > subject. > I am also on Gmail. When I click (or tap) on Reply, it invariably wants me to send the Reply to the individual who sent the email, as opposed to the Debian Users List. So one additional task for me is to edit the "To" field, so that it specifically goes to the List. Is this, generally an Issue, or is it specific to Gmail? -- > Does anybody read signatures any more? > Occasionally. :-) https://charlescurley.com > https://charlescurley.com/blog/ Thanks! Kenneth Parker > >
Re: Sharing files LINUX-LINUX / LINUX-WINDOWS / WINDOWS-WINDOWS
On Tue, Dec 1, 2020, 9:10 AM Anssi Saari wrote: > Kanito 73 writes: > > > At first I thought to use both SAMBA for LINUX-WINDOWS and maybe NFS for > LINUX-LINUX but I used NFS long time > > ago and it was slow as a turtle. Is there another networking service > available that runs faster only for > > LINUX-LINUX or it is better to use SAMBA for everything_ > > Personally I don't bother with Samba for file sharing on my home network > since Microsoft's seen the light and Windows 10 (Pro) includes NFS > support. And no, NFS is not slow as a turtle. > Hello Anssi, I am helping a friend make Windows 10 Pro talk to a variation of Debian (Linux Mint 20). Separately, I am running Windows 8.1, under QEMU-KVM on Bullseye. Can you provide a Microsoft (or related) link to the Windows NFS Support? (On this List. You do not need to cc me). Thanks! Kenneth Parker
Re: Fixing a Grub Foul-up
On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 2:32 PM John Boxall wrote: > You might be running in to the problem that the blkid that is expected > may be changed during boot. As I am running into a similar problem on a > system I upgraded to buster from stretch, this link might help: > > > https://www.thegeekdiary.com/inconsistent-device-names-across-reboot-cause-mount-failure-or-incorrect-mount-in-linux/ I encountered something like this, when installing Stretch (when it was current) onto a USB Stick on a Dell laptop. I was installing to the USB Stick to leave alone the Windows 7 Home installation in the Hard Drive. It didn't come with a DVD Drive, so I used an external USB DVD Drive for the Install. So, during Install, the Hard Drive was /dev/sda, the DVD Drive was /dev/sdb and the USB Disk with Stretch was /dev/sdc. On the Reboot, I, of course removed the USB cable for the DVD Drive and got dumped into the Grub Rescue mode, where it was looking for Stretch on /dev/sdc but it was now on /dev/sdb! My final solution was to backup, and then blow away Windows 7 and Install Buster on the Hard Drive. (Yes, it took long enough for Buster to become the Stable Build). The Geek Diary wasn't available to me when I encountered this issue. Thanks for the link! Kenneth Parker > > > On 2020-11-16 1:48 p.m., Martin McCormick wrote: > > I have goofed, I think. There is a serca-2000-vintage Dell > > Optiplex that has been working fine up to yesterday when I did > > the usual apt-get update followed by the apt-get upgrade on > > buster. The update and upgrade appeared to work. > > > > One of the things that got visited was grub and it was > > then that I was reminded that there was another drive in the > > system that had a bootable image of buster on it also. Grub > > reported seeing it on /dev/sdc which is coorrect. > > > > This particular system has a zip drive that always shows > > up as /dev/sdb so the next hard drive after /dev/sda is /dev/sdc. > > > > I rebooted to make sure all was well and waited and > > waited . . . > > > > The system sits there like a bump on a log. > > > > I have a usb device that lets one mount IDE and SATA > > drives that are outside the system so I pulled the sata drive > > which is the boot drive for the now dead system and plugged it in > > to the usb converter. > > > > the drive breezes through fsck and looks perfectly > > normal. > > > > I looked at /boot/grub/grub.cfg which one is not supposed > > to edit as grub builds it based on /etc/default/grub which one > > does edit. > > > > If I was to mount that partition on a working system, it, > > of course, will have a different device number such as /dev/sde1 > > instead of /dev/sda1 which it should have when booting up the > > system it normally runs in. > > > > Is there a safe way to mount this drive, possibly using > > chroot, re-run grub-config and get the drive bootable again? > > > > If I look at grub.cfg and /etc/default/grub, everything > > looks as if it should work but it doesn't. > > > > I think boot problems are some of the most agrevating > > issues. They are true show stoppers. > > > > I've got backups but that's beside the point. Unless I > > can fix whatever happened, it's going to be quite a time waster. > > > > Thanks for any constructive suggestions. > > > > Martin McCormick > > > -- > Regards, > > John Boxall > >
Re: The .xsession-errors problem
On Sun, Nov 1, 2020, 11:48 AM Teemu Likonen wrote: > * 2020-11-01 11:09:50+01, Anders Andersson wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 5:43 PM Teemu Likonen wrote: > >> From my backups I found an ~/.xsession-errors file of size 111 > >> megabytes. Probably I deleted the file at that point and it started > >> grow again. > > > > Amateur. I found a 24 GB .xsession-errors once, on a 30 GB filesystem. > > 423 million lines. > > That is some log file. One would probably want to introduce it to the > nice /dev/null device: > > ln -sf /dev/null ~/.xsession-errors > > Graphical programs are sometimes really noisy when started from command > line. And there are various output lines related to dbus, kdeinit5 and > other fancy desktop stuff which nobody understands anymore. > Also, verify that Debug Mode is not set. (I once did that with the Linux Kernel, years ago, and it filled up the Partition!) Kenneth Parker
Re: Replacement Email Client
On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 7:00 AM Teemu Likonen wrote: > * 2020-10-25 06:51:36-04, Kenneth Parker wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, 6:40 AM wrote: > >> alpine > > > +1 > > It would be useful to add some information how the suggested client > (Alpine) serves the purpose that was asked by the original poster. > Fair Enough (and sorry it took me so long. The system I use alpine on is remote, and not easily reached through my Android Phone. When I bring up an email, it shows me a summary of the email structure. Its default is to show the rendered html part, but the option can be changed, here is a short excerpt ( || Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 12:55:31 -0400 || From: "redac...@gmail.com [hercules-os380]" < hercules-os...@yahoogroups.com> || To: hercules-os...@yahoogroups.com || Subject: Re: [hercules-os380] b8000 || Parts/Attachments: ||1 OK 38 lines Text ||2 Shown496 lines Text || || || || || On 27 June 2018 at 03:53, 'Redacted redac...@gmail.com wrote: || || >> Hercules is already doing exactly that. How far away is it from being a || >> debugger? || >> || >> > MVSDDT uses (E)STAE; while the error path for 0Cx conditions is || >> > longer, it probably makes the code cleaner. || >> [snip rest. It was html, properly rendered to text] But now, if I use the h command (for Full Headers), I get Full email Headers, and then the html source of this email! (h again toggles back). I believe the original poster was interested in html forms. If in the email itself, you get the Source of the Form Itself. If it's in a link, you see the link with the usual html "a" element. (afraid to copy it here, lest gmail Executes it!) I will try to be more specific in the future. ;-) Kenneth Parker
Re: Mounting a USB device
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 11:51 AM Mick Ab wrote: > If a filesystem in /etc/fstab has a noauto entry, can that filesystem only > be mounted manually using the mount command or > is there any chance that it will be automatically mounted by > usbmount ? > > The filesystem is used in a USB port. > I have a dislike of Gnome, because it seems to mount *every* Filesystem I have, even ones that I consider sensitive. But it doesn't occur until the GUI comes up. (I set the SystemD Default Target to multi-user and only type "systemctl start graphical.target" after I finish my "Apt Ritual"). Not sure what Gnome Package does this. Any Gnome Experts here? Kenneth Parker >
Re: La Comisión Europea aprueba la nueva Estrategia de Software de Código Abierto 2020-2023
On Tue, Oct 27, 2020, 6:29 AM Weaver wrote: > On 27-10-2020 20:01, Iker Bilbao wrote: > > > https://www.casadomo.com/2020/10/27/comision-europea-aprueba-nueva-estrategia-software-codigo-abierto-2020-2023 > > Bravo! > -- Thank you Weaver. I had ignored the original email, due to it being "English Challenged", but you inspired me to click the link and let Google translate it. Good article, about the European Commission embracing a "new Open Source Software Strategy". Being the European Union is awesome, simply because of how big it is, of course. I like their principle, "Think Open". Kenneth Parker
