Re: bash-completion, tab and ambiguous globs

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 10:14:06AM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Le nonidi 29 pluviôse, an CCXXIV, to...@tuxteam.de a écrit :
> > It can be creepily smart, like knowing the branches in your project
> > when you do git checkout bla or things like that. Not bad.
> 
> You mean what zsh already did in its default distribution fifteen years ago?
> And, of course, without breaking the completion of globs.

Has git been around for fifteen years? (I thought it was reasonably
recent.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 09:09:54PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 18:09:03 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > On 2/17/2016 5:34 PM, David Wright wrote:
> > >On Wed 17 Feb 2016 at 14:07:30 (-0600), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > >>[snip]
> > >>>Depends on what you consider to be 'fast'. Is 120K/s fast?
> > >
> > >This laptop has 2255 packages on it, the total download size of which
> > >is about 3GB. At a throughput of 120KB/s, that'd be about 7 hours.
> > >The base system is nothing like that size of course, and you can build
> > >up the system gradually. Just make sure to keep/backup the .deb files.
> > >
> > >>Compared to what?
> > >>I recall loading the OS from paper tape. We *DID* have a high speed
> > >>reader after all 
> > >
> > >That'd be about 1KB/s with 9-track perhaps.
> > 
> > Did you notice I said PAPER tap, not magnetic ;>
> 
> Sorry about the typo; my fingers have had a decade of typing 9-track
> (for magnetic) since their decade of typing 8-track (for punched
> paper) tape.

I'm fairly sure there were 8 track cartridges which you could play in
your car, a few years ago now though.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:02:48AM -0800, Gary Roach wrote:
> On 02/16/2016 09:53 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:46:08AM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> >>It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines like
> >>"I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric
> >If only we had a list of psychiatrists or GPs for their area.
> >
> Hay guys, give the person a break. Sound like he has little experience with
> the open source community. Helpful comments instead of bashing would seem to
> be in order. Suggest they use a subject like "How to get Debian for Mack
> ..." or something. The first time on a new mailing list is usually confusing
> in it self.

Has Ghaith Etaiwi even replied? What's the bet he hasn't subscribed and
thinks he's being ignored, and now has a 'bad' opinion about Debian?

I really think a "reply to list only" policy on a support list is the
final piece de resistance for many frustrated first Debian users.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: systemd Information

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 09:46:56AM +, Darac Marjal wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 02:48:14PM -0600, Tim McDonough wrote:
> >
> >Anyone have a recommendation for a good reference/tutorial on systemd as
> >it applies to Debian Jessie?
> >
> >It's very frustrating to work on configuring static IPs, SSHD ports, etc.
> >and never knowing which files are the correct ones to edit. For that
> >matter, with systemd now in place why the heck were the old config files
> >and scripts left in place if they aren't used?
> 
> As far as I'm aware, just because systemd CAN configure networking, doesn't
> mean that it does. And in fact, in Debian, it doesn't. The Debian Reference
> Manual [1] (which should be considered gospel in these matters), states that
> the preferred methods fore configuring the network are either
> network-manager or wicd for a graphical desktop machine, or
> /etc/network/interfaces otherwise.
> 
> I would not expect this to change in Stretch and, even if systemd is brought
> in to manage the task, the principle of least surprise would suggest that

That is why there is normally a Debian news/changes file. The principle
of least surprise only works if someone puts in the work to make it so.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 06:29:06PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> 
> ​If you want to do that I think you need to have some examples of sensible
> posts and silly ones for new subscribers to scan through before they become
> debian debutantes
> 
> Perhaps we could use popular song titles e.g. the Beatles "Help" song and
> the Rolling Stones ​"You Can't Always Get What You Want" etc.

or even "Satisfaction" :)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: I need help

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:46:08AM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> 
> It would be sweet if we didn't encourage people to post subject lines like
> "I need help". It helps no one else but the OP. Ric

If only we had a list of psychiatrists or GPs for their area.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: GNOME Shell can't unmount my USB key

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:13:27AM -0800, Patrick Bartek wrote:
> A point of order here:  All this applies to Wheezy; I don't know now
> that Debian has adopted systemd and udev has it as a dependency that
> all this will work the same.

Oh, so Wheezy will work without udev?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Using vlc to Transcode mpeg2 File to mp4

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2016 at 04:34:14PM -0600, Martin McCormick wrote:
>   I have been pounding my head against this wall for a
> couple of days. The mpeg2 streams come from a HDHomerun_prime box
> which produces DLNA streams. I am trying to convert them using
> vlc to mp4 files to play on an AppleTV and I just haven't got
> anything to work yet except that my shell script does run but the
> file it produces is garbage and neither vlc nor mplayer will play
> it so I am still doing something wrong.

Or you could try avconv or ffmpeg and do it on the command line.

e.g.

avconv -i inputfile output.mp4

The .mp4 suffix is sufficient to tell it you want mp4.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Difficulties while installing additional packages from .iso (USB stick) after successful stretch install

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 11:06:56AM +0100, sb...@secure.mailbox.org wrote:
> Hi list members,
> 
> I have successfully installed stretch from a usb stick onto which I had
> downloaded the latest amd64 weekly-build DVD-1.iso and other necessary
> init files.
> Well, after the install process had finished, I rebooted from harddisk and
> everything worked, but when I now try to use apt to install more files
> FROM THE DVD.iso on the stick (not over the network), it tells me to
> insert the cdrom:[DEBIAN_TESTING...DVD-iso-1], even when the USB
> stick is already inserted in the slot - no, apt wants a cdrom (and that's
> what the source.list indicates: cdrom. 
> It's an iso-hybrid as you know, but I can't find a way to tell apt to use
> this very same USB stick (with the named ISO) from which the installing
> process had been carried out. 
> When I put different forms of identifying the USB stick into the
> sources.list apt says something like "there is no driver for that device
> installed" or "there is no release file" (when I put
> file://var/lib/apt/lists directory) and does not proceed. But the

Have a look at 'man sources.list'

e.g. in examples it has deb file:/home/jason/debian unstable main contrib 
non-free
note it's not 'file://'

Please inform the list of your progress, I too would like to know the
solution for future reference.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem to detect external monitor on Lenovo ThinkPad Dock

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Feb 06, 2016 at 10:11:22AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 04/02/2016, Fedele Mantuano  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > Before Debian, I used Ubuntu 15.10 and I didn't have this issue.
> >
> 
> I think that that could be the simple solution.
> 
> It took me two years to get an external monitor working on my Acer
> V3-772G, and, to get the system working overall; the simple solution
> was that Ubuntu was the only (non-MS) operating system that I could
> find that had the drivers for both the Intel CPU (an i7 of the Haskell
> architecture, I think, with its inbuilt graphics adapter), and the
> nVIDIA graphics thing, and I found UbuntuMATE had available, the
> interface that I want.

There is this page:

https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Acer/Aspirev3-772G

But true, if you want stuff to work OOTB then Ubuntu or Mint is the best
solution if you don't want to get your hands dirty working under the
hood.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Jessie 8.3 - still no update notifications

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 01:53:33AM +, Juan R. de Silva wrote:
> > I use the Debian cron script 'apticron'. It talks directly with Debian,
> > so it knows about updates to all Debian software. I have cron run it in
> > the middle of the night. It downloads the updates, and in the morning I
> > have email telling me what needs to be updated and why, and instructions
> > on just what to do to install the updates.
> 
> I prefer running 'apt-get' manually then using any of scripts running by 
> cron.

You only need to use one or the other, no need to use both! ;-)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem with udev upgrading from wheezy to jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 10:53:55AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> Not quite.  It still does need the sentence:
> "Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev."
> Perhaps even better:
> "Please upgrade your kernel before upgrading udev."
> to precede it, since that would obviously be the best way to proceed.  Get 
> the 
> kernel on first - after all, there are such things as power cuts.  You might 
> install udev, then have e.g. a power cut.

My understanding was that the kernel won't install *because* of the installed 
version
of udev

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem with udev upgrading from wheezy to jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:38:36PM +0200, Selim T. Erdoğan wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 01:41:24PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> > Am 26.01.2016 um 11:08 schrieb Chris Bannister:
> > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:58:16AM +0100, Martin Hanson wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev.
> > >>
> > >> AT YOUR OWN RISK, you can force the installation of this version of udev
> > >> WHICH DOES NOT WORK WITH YOUR RUNNING KERNEL AND WILL BREAK YOUR SYSTEM
> > >> AT THE NEXT REBOOT by creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file.
> > > 
> 
> ...
> 
> > You can force the upgrade of the udev by creating the flag file
> > /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade simply by running something like
> > touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade
> > The run the udev installation again. No special --force flags are necessary.
> > 
> > If you do *not upgrade the kernel afterwards *before* rebooting, it can
> > lead to an unbootable system.
> > 
> > I thought the error message from udev was pretty clear, but apparently
> > it isn't?
> 
> The way I read it, the part in capitals grabs all the attention and 
> breaks the flow of the main sentence.  When I first read it (admittedly 
> not carefully enough) I thought it meant "Installing this version of 
> udev will break the system at next reboot.  It will do this by creating 
> the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file." :)

Me too! :)

> I think it would have been much clearer if it had been:
> 
> AT YOUR OWN RISK, you can force the installation of this version of 
> udev, by creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file.  However, this
> version of udev does not work with your running kernel, so, after 
> upgrading udev, you MUST also upgrade the kernel before rebooting.  
> OTHERWISE YOU WILL BREAK YOUR SYSTEM AT THE NEXT REBOOT.

Perfect! (ok, you don't need the comma after the first 'udev')

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem with udev upgrading from wheezy to jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 11:19:26PM +, Brian wrote:
> This might be an improvement:
> 
>   You can force the installation of this version of udev, WHICH WILL NOT
>   WORK WITH YOUR PRESENT, RUNNING KERNEL AT THE NEXT REBOOT, by creating
>   the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file.

That sounds confusing. I could, on a bad day, read that as needing to
reboot to update udev after creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file.

> "force" and "creating" are still somewhat dissociated from each other.
> The two ideas would be better expressed in two sentences.
> 
> Alternatively:
> 
>   Please upgrade your kernel before or after upgrading udev. This
>   version of udev will not work with the kernel you are using at
>   present. If you do not upgrade the kernel before rebooting it can
>   lead to an unbootable system.
> 
>   You can force the installation of this version of udev by creating the
>   file /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade. 

Or ...

You can force the installation of this version of udev by first creating
a /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file, "touch /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file"
is sufficient, before proceeding with the udev installation.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: IMPORTEND squid3 stable needs update

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 09:37:52PM +0300, Michael Tokarev wrote:
> 15.01.2016 22:47, startrekfan wrote:
> 
> > *squid3 Version 3.4.8* is deployed in the Jessie stable
> > repository.*This version is outdated and has some security risks!!*.
> > Version 3.5 is more secure but unfortunately it's only marked as
> > unstable
> 
> I wonder how many times this question should be asked.

Hopefully only once.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem with udev upgrading from wheezy to jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 11:58:16AM +0100, Martin Hanson wrote:
> 
> Please upgrade your kernel before or while upgrading udev.
> 
> AT YOUR OWN RISK, you can force the installation of this version of udev
> WHICH DOES NOT WORK WITH YOUR RUNNING KERNEL AND WILL BREAK YOUR SYSTEM
> AT THE NEXT REBOOT by creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade file.

I read this as force the installation of udev (man dpkg search for
force) so, trying to decipher 'dpkg --force-help' I get

dpkg --force-breaks -i udev*deb then IMMEDIATEDLY try installing the
kernel again. Do not reboot until everything is installed without error.

If you get error messages about the syntax, then google or ask here,
I've had trouble myself when doing this. But, I've only needed to do
this maybe once or twice from memory.

Note the message, 'AT YOUR OWN RISK' 

I don't know what it means by 'creating the /etc/udev/kernel-upgrade
file.' I'd check to see it it exists prior then after. I'd remove it if
the latter, e.g. I haven't got one in my system.

All this makes me wonder, how did you get into this "situation" in the
first place?

> There is always a safer way to upgrade, do not try this unless you
> understand what you are doing!

I guess this is meaning via normal use of a package manager. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: updating debian 8 (jessie) stable to permanent testing

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:34:09PM -0500, Francis Gerund wrote:
> >>
> >> -- or, would something else be better?
> >>
> >
> > Something else would be better- not using jessie-backports. If you're
> > already using testing, enabling jessie-backports is pointless and will
> > put you halfway into FrankenDebian territory. Beware.
> >
> > I would do something like this:
> >
> > deb http://http.debian.net/debian testing main
> > deb http://http.debian.net/debian testing-updates main
> > deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main

Umm,

deb http://http.debian.net/debian testing main contrib non-free
etc would be better.

> Hi.
> 
> I am not using testing - yet.  Here is the current /etc/apt/sources.list :
 
> Is this about right, to convert from stable to permanent testing?  Or
> has having backports enabled already made it not doable?

Sorry, but I question your reasoning for switching to testing. If you
have to ask questions like this then you may have a hard time of time
it, after all, it is called testing for a reason.

If it's just for one package, then check to see it the testing deb can
be installed in Jessie, I just did that to pgn-extract, and it installed
like a charm.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Aptitude message.

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 01:23:25PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> I had this problem once and had to delete the package cache and the update to 
> let it rebuild.

Delete everything in the '/var/lib/apt/lists/partial' directory also.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: getting sound in Sid

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 10:10:45PM -0500, Charles Kroeger wrote:
> First using # dpkg -l grep | alsa
> everything listed, remove with # dpkg -P (packages) You can list them all 
> with a
> space between each for a sequential purge. 

Seriously? Why on earth would anyone purge alsa?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Reporting unmaintained packages

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 07:19:00PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 20 Jan 2016 at 20:02:37 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 07:03:33PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > A small point: duplicate bugs are merged, not closed. You could do it if  
> > >   
> > > you are confident in your judgement. A more pertinent point is whether
> > >   
> > > you should be concerned yet about a lack of the response.  There could
> > >   
> > > be a perfectly good reason for it. A year can be but the blink of an  
> > >   
> > > eyelid in Debian's calendar. :)
> > 
> > Right, meanwhile the bug submitter is sitting around in the dark
> > wondering what the story is.
> 
> So, in addition to what the bug submitter has been told, the following
> advice is offered . . . . . Well?

A year is a long time to wait for an update on a bug report is what I'm
saying. Also, I'm under the impression that the bug submitter doesn't
automatically get sent any responses to the bug report. The reasons,
apparently, are because developers submit many bugs, some MBF, and don't
want to be 'swamped' with mail because of it.

So I'm guessing the submitter has to check the bug number from time to
time to check for any progress.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem with apt-get and sources.list

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 05:57:52PM +0300, Adam Wilson wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 08:17:42 +1300 Chris Bannister
> <cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 06:18:09PM +0300, Adam Wilson wrote:
> > > On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:31:18 +0200
> > > Amr Saber <amr.m.saber.m...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi there,
> > > > While I was configuring some thing in the sources.list file as
> > > > apt-get couldn't get any package I wanted or asked for (I double
> > > > checked the spelling for each package) and it just said package
> > > > not found ... any way, The problem is that the sources.list file
> > > > was accidentally deleted and I can't find any version of it
> > > > online and ofcourse the apt-get is no longer working at all
> > > 
> > > Assuming you're running stable,
> > > 
> > > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable main
> > > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable-updates main
> > > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable-proposed-updates main
> > > deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable-backports main
> > > deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
> > > 
> > > is the complete setup. 
> > 
> > It's not complete, it's missing contrib and non-free.
> 
> Correction: complete *official* setup anyway. Unless Debian has dropped
> any pretence of contrib and non-free being unofficial.

Whatever. To have a fully functioning system you need contrib and
non-free in your sources.list, sure, you could go out of your way and
buy hardware which doesn't need any firmware, but guess what, those
people don't tend to post to this list asking for help.

> I don't recommend non-free software to anyone as a matter of principle.

Sure, but when their computer stops working because of an update and the
installed firmware blob is no longer working, they'll complain to this
list --- and guess what the posted solution will be? 

I'm certain it will be "oh, you're missing contrib and non-free in your
sources.list"

It appears there was some talk about refining the sources.list, but it's
not so straight forward:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2016/01/msg00233.html

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: eagle-lin64-7.5.0.run, won't

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 05:19:34PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> I hadn't thought of that.  My bad. OTOH, although no one has come thru 
> the router except to view my web page, do I really want to do that in 
> the event they do get thru?  That could make their raising a little hell 
> just that much easier.

Only root can add a user to the admin group.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: About new mail client

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 10:51:53AM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote:
> On 21/12/15 23:59, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Umm, I didn't write that. (You went overboard with your snipping.)

> > Sent using mutt from my laptop!
> 
> Oddly enough, I've found mutt running on my server from my phone using
> ConnectBot (for SSH) vastly superior to K-9 Mail (and the stock Android
> client) in a number of ways.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: ?? user in group audio -- but only root can play sound

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 06:28:17PM +0100, Gregor Zattler wrote:
> Thinking about: mpd is also not in these groups and I can her
> music.
> 
> So that's still not it.
> 
> When I play some sound, I see aplay working, but do not hear sound:
> 
>  $ play  /home/grfz/Downloads/tuxok.wav

Just as an aside, that is not the aplay command. Compare man aplay, and
man play.

As to the rest, I'm stumped. Sorry.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Reporting unmaintained packages

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 07:03:33PM +, Brian wrote:
> A small point: duplicate bugs are merged, not closed. You could do it if  
>   
> you are confident in your judgement. A more pertinent point is whether
>   
> you should be concerned yet about a lack of the response.  There could
>   
> be a perfectly good reason for it. A year can be but the blink of an  
>   
> eyelid in Debian's calendar. :)

Right, meanwhile the bug submitter is sitting around in the dark
wondering what the story is.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 04:38:02PM -0500, David Niklas wrote:
> 
> You two are really funny.
> This thread is kinda funny too, don't you guys have more productive things
> to do then argue?

Probably the best time, at a guess, is *after* productive work.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: eagle-lin64-7.5.0.run, won't

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 11:38:11AM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Tuesday 19 January 2016 09:59:23 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 05:19:34PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I hadn't thought of that.  My bad. OTOH, although no one has come thru
> > > the router except to view my web page, do I really want to do that in
> > > the event they do get thru?  That could make their raising a little hell
> > > just that much easier.
> >
> > Only root can add a user to the admin group.
> 
> Can sudo not?  Gene has sudo.

sure, that's effectively being root. My point is that anyone 'coming in'
via the router would have to get root privileges to change any settings,
and if they can do that then reading the logs is the least of your
worries. :)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: no wifi on jessie install

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 06:57:45PM -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:42:23AM -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote:
> > Finally got around to installing jessie (clean install) on a thinkpad
> > 420 and all seemes to go well except there is no wireless, only ethernet.
> > 
> > lsmod shows iwlwifi but I can't get the radio to turn on. 
> > 
> > Installed firmware-linux-nonfree with no results.
> > 
> > Any help appreciated.
> 
> Very Embarrassing. While I was typing a reply to Lisi's message I
> happened to look down. Lo and behold, the radio light was on. Did it
> spontaneously cure itself? I know I did nothing, not even type Fn + F5
> which is the hardware switch.

I've got a laptop which I have to push a physical orange button on the
front, and also a key combination on the keyboard. Unfortunately, there
seems to be no indication when one is off or on.

It can be very frustrating and time consuming to get it going again
trying the different combinations while in wicd-client pushing f5 to
scan the networks, and using ifconfig, etc.

Sometimes a reboot fixes it. I've yet to look at a friends laptop who
says his wireless has stopped working, so don't be embarrassed, it can
be frustrating getting wireless to work on a laptop.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: eagle-lin64-7.5.0.run, won't

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 12:28:32PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Saturday 16 January 2016 10:57:55 Curt wrote:
> 
> > On 2016-01-16, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> > >> So its full path is /home/gene/eagle-7.5.0/bin/eagle, not
> > >> /bin/eagle?
> > >>
> > >> Lisi
> > >
> > > I was cd'd to /home/gene/eagle-7.5.0 and the command issued was
> > > bin/eagle, which is perfectly legal syntax.
> >
> > Not if bin is not in your path it isn't.
> 
> Oh?  Since when?  Neither is /home/gene/log, but I use that regularly in 
> several scrips and from the command line since I have a 
> user=me "tail -fn100 log/fetchmail.log" running in a console tab right 

I think you'll find the 'tail' command is in your path, in this
instance. 

> now.  I long ago got sick and tired of fighting with permissions on 
> stuff in  /var/log that I ought to be able to read.

That's debatable, e.g. if I was sys admin of a multiuser system I
wouldn't any Tom Dick or Harry perusing the logs.

If you want to to query the logs get root to add you to the 'admin'
group. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: DenyHosts

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 04:49:35PM +1100, David wrote:
> On 16 January 2016 at 15:48, Steve Matzura  wrote:
> > On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 01:55:38 +0300, Reco wrote:
> >
> >>A simple solution:
> >>
> >>iptables -I INPUT -p dcp -s 59.46.71.0/24 -j DROP
> >
> > iptables v1.4.21: unknown protocol "dcp" specified
> > Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
> >
> > Should I try the complex solution, or find out what went wrong with
> > the simple one first?
> 
> There's a typo in the command Reco gave you.

Sorry, but that doesn't inspire much confidence in his suggestion. Does
that solution work if the OP is also running a firewall such as
shorewall?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Proposal: Restore Nautilus search-as-you-type!

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 12:09:47PM +0200, / vt wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the rant but this is driving me crazy - I don't see the point of
> this change. It makes me a thousand times slower.

You'll have to file a bug report in the usual manner. I'm sorry, but
your rant has fallen on deaf ears, we are just volunteers helping out
with peoples problems, we have no power to instigate peoples wishes.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: OT - gap -Re: Using bind mount

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 04:50:04PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> ;-)
> 
> And please, no group "hugs" among strangers. ;-)

I remember a 'poster' I had years ago which read "There are no strangers
here, only friends we haven't met."  ;-)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem with apt-get and sources.list

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 06:18:09PM +0300, Adam Wilson wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:31:18 +0200
> Amr Saber  wrote:
> 
> > Hi there,
> > While I was configuring some thing in the sources.list file as apt-get
> > couldn't get any package I wanted or asked for (I double checked the
> > spelling for each package) and it just said package not found ...
> > any way, The problem is that the sources.list file was accidentally
> > deleted and I can't find any version of it online and ofcourse the
> > apt-get is no longer working at all
> 
> Assuming you're running stable,
> 
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable main
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable-updates main
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable-proposed-updates main
> deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ stable-backports main
> deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main
> 
> is the complete setup. 

It's not complete, it's missing contrib and non-free.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: eagle-lin64-7.5.0.run, won't

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 06:37:49PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> Greetings all;
> 
> Since the gEDA kit in the repo's seems to be rather broken, I thought I'd 
> give eagle another chance, so I downloaded, from the cadsoft site, the 
> latest 64 bit linux installer, but can't find a help file, and obviously 
> I am not training my monkeys correctly.
> 
> Has anyone else had any luck, running it after convincing the installer 
> where you wanted it installed?
> 
> I have cd'd to its base directory, and exported EAGLEDIR=`pwd' so it 
  ^^
Is that verbatim? I'd put an actual absolute path there. The second
'tic' is not a backtick.

Do backsticks actually work in this case?

> shows in that shells env report, but it can't find its executable with 
> both hands, prefering to give me a 
> gene@coyote:~/eagle-7.5.0$ bin/eagle
> bash: bin/eagle: No such file or directory
> 
> Clues? I'm confused enough without this.

You could try and use the find command to see where it actually is.
I use a locate variant e.g.

# apt-cache show mlocate

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Problem with apt-get and sources.list

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 12:36:33PM -0600, rlhar...@oplink.net wrote:
> On Wed, January 13, 2016 12:31 pm, Amr Saber wrote:
> > The problem is that the sources.list file was accidentally deleted
> > and I can't find any version of it online
> 
> deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib
> deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib
> 
> deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free
> deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free

Even better:

deb http://httpredir.debian.org/debian/ jessie main non-free contrib
deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free

99.9% of Debian users will never need the deb-src entries.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: info/ request

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 03:05:05PM +0200, Moreanu Robert - Nicolae wrote:
> hi,
> 
> i have to file word.docx and excel.xlsx on my hdd on desktop of debian and
> I want to copy them from a live Linuxmint usbstick but I cant because I
> have denied
> 
> permission acces on them, also I can't open this file from live Linuxmint.
> 
> can you tell me how I can to copy this 2 file? tell me a procedure, please.
> thank you for your time

Copy them as root, then use the chown command to change the owner. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: gschem only partially works

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 07:24:29PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> I can see all that in synaptic to prove its there, and mc agree's, but 
> its in html and iceweasel has lost the ability to open a file on a local 
> filesystem.  No clue why as there sure should not be an ssl problem on a 
> local direct access disk.

How are you trying to open the file?
Don't type it into the address bar, but use the 'open file' from the
file menu. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: FDisk Help

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 04:53:34PM +0100, jdd wrote:
> fdisk -l
> 
> gives all the necessary info
> 
> example:
> 
> Device Boot Start   End   Sectors   Size Id Type
> /dev/sdc1  * 2048  62910463  6290841630G 83 Linux
> /dev/sdc262910464 937701375 874790912 417,1G  f W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> /dev/sdc562912512 125820927  6290841630G 83 Linux
> /dev/sdc6   125822976 142591999  16769024 8G 82 Linux swap / Solaris
> /dev/sdc7   142594048 937701375 795107328 379,1G 83 Linux
> 
> 
> 
> (but all I have at hand is an openSUSE, the debian version may be different)

LOL, you do realise this is a list for Debian users, right?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Jan 07, 2016 at 08:02:14AM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> deloptes writes:
> > You've seen an "obese" coming out from McDonalds or similar with take
> > away bag full to the top?  How do you feel? S/he is taking care of
> > what ... the money all we pay to the health care system for her/his
> > treatments?
> 
> Chris Bannister writes:
> > I personally resent that.
> 
> Do you also resent people who engage in other dangerous hobbies?

I suggest you read what I wrote again, including the part you snipped.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Putting It All On a Stick

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 04:14:46PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 04:11:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The sources are different.
> > > 
> > > More nonsense.
> > 
> > Huh? the sources list is different if you use DVD's than if you use a
> > debian mirror off the net. Even I, understood that much.
> 
> My claim is that the installers on a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are basically
> identical (they do the same job), not that a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are
> identical. That is because they are based on the same source.
> 
> Explaining what this "sources list" is might clarify things.

Ah! I see. I assumed Lisi was referring to the /etc/apt/sources.list
entries.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Audio and HDMI port not working on Jessie

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 05:48:02PM +0100, Giuseppe Longo wrote:
> 
> I'm almost sure that my laptop have an hybrid card, I've already found
> this solution on google

For the archives, it would be nice to know what the solution is.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Prevent shutdown with systemctl

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 08:03:48PM +0100, jdd wrote:
> https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch4.en.html
> 
> see
> 
> 4.8 Restricting system reboots through the console
> 
> mostly:
> 
> If you want to restrict this, you must check the /etc/inittab so that the
> line that includes ctrlaltdel calls shutdown with the -a switch.

I was under the impression that /etc/inittab has no influence on
anything if using systemd, which is the default.

Is that advice in that manual? Does it hint at anything related to
systemd?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: wget log from Jigdo

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 09:32:36AM -0600, Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
> A side question to Steve, "Is this post screen reader friendly?"

That reminds me of the lecturers who say 'Hands up if you can't hear me
at the back.'

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Ktouch

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Jan 03, 2016 at 12:16:30PM -0200, Markos wrote:
> Hi,
> I just installed Ktouch in Debian Jessie, but I can not open the screen with
> the keyboard to do the lessons.
> 
> Any tips?

search google, check bugs, if no luck then post back here with a helpful
problem description.


-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: sexist content in the package openclipart2-png

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:37:12AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 02, 2016 at 08:52:24PM +1300, Richard Hector wrote:
> > I'm also aware that the respondents to this thread so far appear to be
> > (apologies if I'm mistaken) male; I'm not sure whether the women of
> > the list have deliberately withheld comment?
> 
> This is unfortunate. But given the tone of half of the thread here, I
> was myself hesitant to even participate. I mean: one can agree with
> the OP or disagree -- but the amount of unnecessary sarcasm on display
> here can be... a bit off-putting.

Is sarcasm ever necessary? (BTW, I don't recall reading any.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: after sudo aptitude dist-upgrade lost Unicode in ttys and xterm

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 07:41:52PM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Anders Andersson  writes:
> 
> >> After I did sudo aptitude dist-upgrade I lost
> >> support for Unicode chars in the ttys as well as
> >> xterm. Instead I get '?'. Ideas?
> >
> > One idea would be to post a list of packages which
> > were upgraded. :)
> 
> My intuition tells me you know a good way to do that!
> 
> Here is /var/log/apt/history.log.10.gz
> 
> Is that what you mean?
 

[...]

ummm, *scratches head* ...

> Start-Date: 2015-03-21  19:53:37
> Install: locales-all:amd64 (2.19-15)
> Error: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> End-Date: 2015-03-21  19:53:58

How long did you say you had this problem?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: wget log from Jigdo

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 03:45:40PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Sat 02 Jan 2016 at 03:54:38 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> > (BTW, top-posting makes it difficult to reply, and I couldn't be bothered
> > copying and pasting to correct it.)
> 
> You would do well to read *all* of Steve Matzura's posts before
> bemoaning your lot. You'll come across "speech synthesis" and
> "screen reader".

In that case, mails in html must be almost impossible to comprehend. :)
I'm guessing there is some sort of configuration available, so something
like t-prot (apt-cache show t-prot) could be used. I'm only guessing
here, I've never had any experience with a screen reader.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: wget log from Jigdo

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 02:34:55PM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> True, but who knew that? I go with what I know most of the time, and
> what I know about Jigdo can be summed up in one word: nothing. So when
> I see a URL that purports to be the one to use, I use it. This is what
> makes me crazy about anything Linux--secret knowledge that some people
> just seem to have or know, that would never occur to anyone else.

It's not a Linux problem. A 404 means the location doesn't exist, so i
worked backwards in a webrowser until the address was valid, which was,
in this case, the main site, which has two directories to choose from
'debian' and debian-cd, under the debian directory was the pool
directory.

(BTW, top-posting makes it difficult to reply, and I couldn't be bothered
copying and pasting to correct it.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Putting It All On a Stick

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 11:15:03PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 23:01:43 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 19:54:50 Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 19:39:10 +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday 30 December 2015 17:29:30 Brian wrote:
> > > > > On Wed 30 Dec 2015 at 10:37:53 -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> > > > > > Can the net install run with speech? I didn't think it could.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Install with speech systhesis" is the last item in the installer 
> > > > > menu.
> > > > >
> > > > > The only major difference between DVD-1 and the netinst ISO is the
> > > > > first gets packages from the DVD (if there is no mirror) whereas the
> > > > > second will get some of them from the net (a mirror is needed). I
> > > > > cannot see why using a netinst ISO is any better than DVD-1.
> > > >
> > > > _Because_ the DVD1 gets its packages from the DVDs, so during
> > > > installation they have to be there, or you have to interrupt the
> > > > installation, edit the
> > >
> > > Why shouldn't the packages be on on the DVD?
> > 
> > If all available packages are on DVD1,
> 
> Nobody claimed they were.

Yeah, you did -- 'Why shouldn't the packages be on on the DVD?'

> >why do the other DVDs exist?
> 
> It's coming up to to 2016; non-sequiturs are banned in that year,
> 
> > > > sources list, and continue choosing your software to complete the
> > > > installation.  And the net-install CD gets its packages from the 
> > > > Internet
> > > > and sets up your sources list to do the same, so you can complete your
> > > > installation in one fell sweep.  Yes, you need an Internet connection so
> > > > it is not suitable for all cases, but  an Internet connection does not
> > > > appear to
> > >
> > > I don't understand a word of this.
> > >
> > > The installers on a netinst ISO and DVD-1 are basically identical.
> > 
> > The sources are different.
> 
> More nonsense.

Huh? the sources list is different if you use DVD's than if you use a
debian mirror off the net. Even I, understood that much.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: wget log from Jigdo

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:36:33AM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> This is what I could get from the wget portion of the Jigdo process
> running on a Windows 7 SP1 machine. I used a pair of files called
> debian-8.2.0-amd64-BD-1 (.jigdo and .template) downloaded yesterday,
> and the mirror at debian.mirrors.pair.com, but that doesn't matter
> much, as I get the same thing from any of the seven I tried so far. I
> will only show the first two examples of the 404 error, the rest being
> moot because it's 404 all the rest of the way through.  Hope it helps.
> 
> Resolving debian.mirrors.pair.com... 216.92.2.148
> Connecting to debian.mirrors.pair.com[216.92.2.148]:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> 10:22:42 ERROR 404: Not Found.
> 
> --10:22:42--
> http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/pool/main/a/analog/analog_6.0-20+b2
> _amd64.deb

wrong url. see:

http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/debian/

A little investigation of the site would have shown this.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: is twitter useful for debian?

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 06:48:14PM -0500, Donald Norwood wrote:
> The people in charge of twitter do not use Twitter for 2-way
> communication, only for announcements and to highlight events 
> or happenings in the F/OSS community.

I guess you mean "The people in charge of the Debian twitter account
..."

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Question: eth0 vs enp1s0

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 03:32:04PM +0100, Hans wrote:
> Am Mittwoch, 30. Dezember 2015, 12:58:23 schrieb Jörg-Volker Peetz:
> Hi Jörg-Volker
> > Did you take a look at dmesg on both systems? Something like
> > 
> >   grep -E '(enp|eth)' /var/log/dmesg
> This showed no useful information. The only output is from my EEEPC 
> below, the Aspire showed no output at all.
> 
> root@protheus7:/home/ullhan63# grep -E '(enp|eth)' /var/log/dmesg 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Could you show the content of both 70-persistent-net-rules files?
> 
> Yes, this is Aspire with eth0:
> # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules 
> 
> I changed the MAC cause of security purposes in this mail.
> 
> 
> Same for EEEPC:
> 
> # This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules 
> 
> Changed MAC, too, but you can of course still see the vendors (first two 
> bytes).
>  
> > Regards,
> > jvp.

Weird, nothing came through this end. You sure you pasted them?


-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: New Install Fails at Step 14

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 10:22:30AM -0500, Steve Matzura wrote:
> So since my installation is virgin and is failing at Step 14, should I
> just start again and see if I get any further this time, or is there
> anything I should choose or specify differently when trying again?

I don't know what step 14 is, but you could just use the netinst CD and
install from the net.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: OT: signatures (was Re: removing TexLive Docs packages)

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 10:38:28AM -0500, Anthony Mapes wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
> 
> While we're on the topic of signatures, what do you consider to be good
> and bad to include in signatures? 

Very amusing! You've made my day. :)

> - -- 
> Anthony Mapes
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> Version: GnuPG v2
> 
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-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: About new mail client

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 11:12:29AM +0200, Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras
wrote:
> 
> My branch is sid and used to use icedove as default mail client . I
> think with enigmail is kinda broken and I can't use as encryption and
> sign messages . any suggestions ? I am thinking about sylpheed or
> claws .which one you suggest me ?

You may want to consider mutt, it integrates with PGP, and doesn't
append emails with gibberish.

> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Sent using mutt from my laptop!

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: POP3

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 06:28:35PM -0600, David Wright wrote:
> 
> Of course I removed the "was": it wasn't in the subject line of the
> post you were responding to.

Did you get out of the wrong side of bed? Inserting 'was' is normal
practice when starting a sub thread. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: gufw problem

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:49:19PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Friday 11 December 2015 23:33:52 Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 09:20:38PM -0500, Francis Gerund wrote:

[...]

> > > "What's wrong with just using a launcher anyway, if it comes up that
> > > way?", maybe I am just autistic.  It just bothers me when things don't
> > > work CORRECTLY.
> >
> > Me too, that's why I stopped using Gnome. (Disclaimer: Maybe things have
> > changed since then.)
> 
> Why is using the menu the correct way?

To clarify, my post. I wasn't explicitly referring to the 
'use of a menu' but the phrase 'It just bothers me when things don't
work CORRECTLY.', and by correctly, I mean 'the way I expect, seems
logical to me, ...' 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: apt-get error messages

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2015 at 11:27:15AM -0500, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 8:47 AM, Tony van der Hoff <t...@vanderhoff.org> wrote:
> > On 08/12/15 13:41, Chris Bannister wrote:
> >
> >> *groan* *sigh* ... I wonder why there's not a 'dpkg
> >> --print-architectures' which prints out *all* the architectures it knows
> >> about.
> >>
> > Because you haven't written it yet?
> 
> IMHO this is an inappropriate response. Not all users can be expected
> to write software and submit patches. It is one thing to ask them to
> file a wishlist bug, it is another thing to demand a patch from every
> user who suggests a way to improve user experience.

I was approaching the issue more from a design perspective (I
could/should have left out the '*groan* *sigh* ...' and may be it would
have read better?)

e.g.

--print-architecture  lists the current, and
--print-foreign-architectures lists the extras

and no doubt (on reflexion) it was a consious decision not to also have
a '--print-architectures' for all of them. I guess,
'--print-architecture' which lists the one which dpkg was built for has
more value being a separate option so that when used in a scripting context 
you won't get confused just because of an 's'.

Perhaps there could be an option --print-all-architectures which would
save having to concatenating the output of '--print-architecture' and
'--print-foreign-architectures'? Is it used/needed by the end user often
enough to warrant it? e.g. is it asked of a poster to debian-user regularly 
enough?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: apt-get error messages

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 01:47:19PM +, Tony van der Hoff wrote:
> On 08/12/15 13:41, Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> >*groan* *sigh* ... I wonder why there's not a 'dpkg
> >--print-architectures' which prints out *all* the architectures it knows
> >about.
> >
> Because you haven't written it yet?

No.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: gufw problem

[Chris Bannister]

[PLease don't top post.]

On Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 09:20:38PM -0500, Francis Gerund wrote:
> I am using the Gnome 3 "classic" desktop.
> 
> When I push the mouser pointer up into the hot-spot in the upper left
> corner of the screen, a (sort of) oval pops up containing a magnifying
> glass icon and the words "Type to search . . . ".  If I type in "gufw", it
> just bluntly says "No results.".
> 
> But if I do ALT-F2, a window pops up saying "Enter a command".  If I type
> in "gufw" there, Gufw starts up, and seems to work.
> 
> So, yes - it does start that way.
> 
> Now, as to:
> "What's wrong with just using a launcher anyway, if it comes up that way?",
> maybe I am just autistic.  It just bothers me when things don't work
> CORRECTLY.

Me too, that's why I stopped using Gnome. (Disclaimer: Maybe things have changed
since then.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: gufw problem

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 09, 2015 at 12:53:09PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> 
> "Bottom posting" posting after the message to which the reply is made,
> so that people who are reading the reply, if they are worth anything,
> will read the message to which the reply is made, before reading the
> reply that is made, so that the reply is read in the context of the
> message to which the reply is made. This message is best, when the
> reply is made to the whole of the message, rather than individual
> replies to individual points within the message to which the reply is
> made.

I reckon bottom posting is worse than top posting if the poster doesn't
trim anything.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: apt-get error messages

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Dec 07, 2015 at 06:48:45AM +0100, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote:
> Am 06.12.2015 um 22:47 schrieb Klaus Jantzen:
> > dpkg --remove-architecture i368
> > apt-get update
> > 
> > But I cannot add the correct architecture:
> > 
> > dpkg --add-architecture i386
> > apt-get update
> > dpkg --print-architecture
> > 
> > just shows me 'amd64'.
> > 'apt-get update' seems to have found some i386 packages
> > but the second architecture is not printed out.
> 
> That output is correct. "dpkg --print-architecture" shows the default 
> architecture for which packages are installed.
> 
> Try 
> dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
> That should output "i386"

*groan* *sigh* ... I wonder why there's not a 'dpkg
--print-architectures' which prints out *all* the architectures it knows
about.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Systemd debugging (was ... Re: A stop job is running for...)

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Dec 03, 2015 at 10:07:01PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Two issues that come to mind here:
> a/ cups-browsed.service declares a dependency on avahi-daemon.service.
> So it should be stopped before avahi-daemon. But apparently you don't
> have any avahi-daemon process anymore.
> Would be interesting to find out, why avahi-daemon.service is stopped
> before cups-browsed.
> Can you paste the systemctl cat avahi-daemon.service cups-browsed.service
> output
> 
> b/ you use wicd. I suspect wicd is stopped (too) early during shutdown
> and tears down the network connection. Maybe that's related as well.
> 
> I wonder if we should take this off list now. Not sure if our debugging
> session is interesting to the readers of this mailing list.

Au contraire, not knowing much about systemd myself, and having wrestled
with a postgreSQL upgrade on a raspberry PI running raspbian, I'm keen
on any troubleshooting/bug hunting tips I can get.

This may have had something to do it.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755894

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

[Chris Bannister]

On Tue, Dec 01, 2015 at 11:25:16AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> 
> Some people think "all information" should be saved for the future. Others
> don't. It's your choice. Be aware that "all information" in the case of Xorg
> logs and dmesg is voluminous, and like other mailing list info, stays on the
> Internet forever. As some small portion of Xorg.0.log is arguably personal,
> one may not wish it to be available forever. 

I'm intrigued, what personal/private information is in the Xorg log?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote:
> 
> I often counter that by passing my would-be reply through tac and
> top-post it that way.
> 
> Then they see it from my perspective.

What is 'tac'?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:47:00PM +0100, Erwan David wrote:
> Le 02/12/2015 20:41, Chris Bannister a écrit :
> > On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 02:21:04PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote:
> >> I often counter that by passing my would-be reply through tac and
> >> top-post it that way.
> >>
> >> Then they see it from my perspective.
> > What is 'tac'?
> >
> TAC(1)
>
> User
> Commands  
>  
> TAC(1)
> 
> NAME
>tac - concatenate and print files in reverse

Ahh! So you can feed mp3s through it and listen for any messages from
the devil, no doubt. :)

Thanks everyone for the info.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: A stop job is running for...

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Dec 02, 2015 at 08:12:24PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> In the meantime, its hit another 200 users, discouraging them from ever 
> touching linux again.  In that regard, we are our own worst enemy at 
> times.  Unfortunately, the oar I steer this ship with could be swapped 
> for a toothpick and have exactly the same result.

Or you could be in the Windoze world ' stuck up *cough* *cough* 
*whistle* *whistle* ... with no paddle.' :)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Upgrade to Jessie lost all monitor resolutions except 1024x768

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 05:10:33PM -0800, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> On 11/30/2015 04:45 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
> >Marc Shapiro wrote:
> >
> >>On 11/30/2015 04:01 PM, Mike Kupfer wrote:
> >>>- Boot a Live image and see what resolution it gives you.
> >>I can still boot into Wheezy and get 1920x1080.
> >I meant a Jessie Live image.
> >
> >Though given that you didn't find an old xorg.conf file, the odds of the
> >Live image doing something different seem pretty slim.
> >
> >I agree with Felix's recommendation to post information about the
> >graphics card and at least the Jessie X log file (having both the Jessie
> >and Wheezy log files would be better).
> >
> >regards,
> >mike
> I have a copy of Xorg.0.log for both Wheezy and Jessie.  How do I post them
> to paste.debian.net?

Please post them to the mailing list for future info.
It's only Felix who suggests that, you've been on the list long enough
to know that logs are sent with the emails.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 09:27:02PM -0500, Neal P. Murphy wrote:
> I'll top-post here because I am replying to the entire message (quoted below).

Sorry to be picky, but there was nothing in the text to which you
directly replied to. 

I think personal correspondence is completely different to posting and
replying on a mailing list where it is presumed that posters are using
and familiar with a thread capable mail client.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: OT: reply styles, family matters

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 08:31:29PM -0500, Bob Bernstein wrote:
> 
> "Please don't respond line by line. It is patronizing and
> annoying."

What did he say when you asked what he meant by this? I mean, how on
earth could it possibly be patronising?

I'm guessing your nephew isn't subscribed to any mailing lists.

Would I be correct in that he uses Windoze and outhouse as a mailer?

Of course I could be completely wrong, it is just a guess, but I am
intrigued as to how he could find inline responses annoying ... unless
... his client doesn't handle it properly.

I must admit reading mail from yahoo and outhouse mailers is difficult
at the best of times, and is perhaps one reason why top posting is
preferred.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: install udpxy.1.0.23

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 11:14:24AM +0100, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> But maybe one should change the first statement in the package
> description:
>   https://packages.debian.org/sid/build-essential
> 
>   "If you do not plan to build Debian packages, you don't
>need this package."

If you want to do any compiling then you'll need this package.

> (It is so odd to have to assume GNU/Linux without C compiler
>  stuff. That's like having no shell. Semi-androidly.)

I think the reasoning is that installing it on servers is like having
a sophisticated locksmithing workshop in an unlocked garage outside your
locked home.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Slow Display of Graphics in Chrome

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 07:32:25PM +, Alan Chandler wrote:
> Just recently, I notice a sudden slowing down of the display of areas of the
> screen in Chrome when it fully maximised ( but still with toolbar etc on
> display)
> 
> I am running a dual monitor gnome 3 setup with intel display driver.
> 
> Quite frequently, but not predictably so (say once every few minutes)
> Chrome, when displaying a web page whilst fully maximized gets very slow and
> displays blocks of the screen but then hangs for a few seconds before
> continuing with some more and hanging again.

Do movies/videos play OK from a movie player?
Does iceweasel exhibit the same behaviour on the same URLs?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 12:10:01PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Fri 27 Nov 2015 at 18:29:20 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 06:40:00PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Wed 25 Nov 2015 at 15:48:48 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > > 
> > > > But then, if the user does "startx -- vt7", he would still be affected
> > > > by the session manager issue, possibly except with some PAM
> > > > reconfiguration.
> > > 
> > > "startx -- vt7" won't work (tested). X only runs on the virtual console
> > > it was started from.
> > 
> > Works for me. That is alt-f7 from one of the ttys takes to me to X .
> 
> I might not have been very clear. It is on the testing distribution that
> "startx -- vt7" doesn't work. It gives a fatal server error.

Oh, really? :( Is that a bug or intended behaviour?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 11:18:16AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2015-11-28 21:16:20 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 27, 2015 at 12:10:01PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > On Fri 27 Nov 2015 at 18:29:20 +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 06:40:00PM +, Brian wrote:
> > > > > "startx -- vt7" won't work (tested). X only runs on the
> > > > > virtual console it was started from.
> > > > 
> > > > Works for me. That is alt-f7 from one of the ttys takes to me to X .
> > > 
> > > I might not have been very clear. It is on the testing distribution that
> > > "startx -- vt7" doesn't work. It gives a fatal server error.
> > 
> > Oh, really? :( Is that a bug or intended behaviour?
> 
> I don't think that this is a bug. The reason has already been given:
> X needs root rights to access a different VT. But now X is no longer
> SUID root...

So instead of 'fatal server error.' it should be 'permission denied' in
that case?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: two pulseaudio processes

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Nov 28, 2015 at 12:33:33PM +0100, Mart van de Wege wrote:
> Chris Bannister <cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz> writes:
> 
> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 01:22:25PM +0100, rgfoiugztfgvbhjk wrote:
> >> Does anybody know who Debian-+ is, why he is starting pulseaudio and
> >> using my headsets, and if this is a bug that should be reported
> >> against pulseaudio or something else?
> >
> > If you purge pulseaudio, does everything work as you want?
> >
> 
> Look, either there is a bug in play here or a misconfiguration. Purging
> pulseaudio is merely papering over a problem, it's not a solution.

Listen, sound was working fine for me but after an upgrade sound stopped
working. I found pulseaudio installed so I purged it and sound worked
again, so sorry but it is a solution.

> > If you actually need pulseaudio, then I'd report the bug against the
> > pulseaudio package.
> 
> Given that parent apparently wants to be able to switch between normal
> sound output and a headset, I'd say it is fairly obvious there is a need
> for pulseaudio, as that is one of its use cases.

*sigh* I can listen to audio via a headset or the internal speakers
without pulseaudio so I don't know what you are implying.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 06:54:34PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Thu 26 Nov 2015 at 11:04:23 -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> 
> > Marc writes:
> > > Not alone, at all.  I run Mate, but I boot to a console, log in there,
> > > and use startx to get my X session.
> > 
> > So do I, and I have a decades-old muscle memory that tells me
> > CNTRL-ALT-F1 will get me a logged-in console.  Having to reprogram that
> > is a (minor) nuisance. It will be a much larger nuisance for the new
> > users who will diligently read up on Linux before trying it (yes, there
> > are people who do that) and learn that CNTRL-ALT-F1 gets them to a
> > console and ALT-F7 gets them back to X.
> 
> For many readers (diligent or otherwise), isn't this a matter of updated
> documentation and re-education. There are still users (an example is in
> this thread) who believe ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works in Debian.
> It does.

So it does! Wonder why it didn't work for me on another machine. :(
(I think I also vaguely remember seeing a discussion about it ... don't
ya hate that!)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 06:40:00PM +, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 25 Nov 2015 at 15:48:48 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> 
> > On 2015-11-25 12:58:15 +, Brian wrote:
> > > This is where I think the confusion lies. Quoting
> > > 
> > >   https://patchwork.freedesktop.org/patch/23004/
> > > 
> > > again.
> > > 
> > >   There are 2 reasons for this change:
> > > 
> > >   1) It is needed to make Xorg run without root rights
> > >   2) The old behavior creates a new session-id (as returned by getsid()),
> > >  without registering it with PAM, this breaks session managers such
> > >  as systemd-logind. 
> > > 
> > > Reason 2) is the one relevant to the first post in the thread.
> > 
> > Both are relevant. But if xserver-xorg-legacy is used as you suggested,
> > then I suppose that reason 2 is the one that is still relevant.
> 
> I was thinking of the OP being on Jessie. The server is SUID there.
> 
> > But then, if the user does "startx -- vt7", he would still be affected
> > by the session manager issue, possibly except with some PAM
> > reconfiguration.
> 
> "startx -- vt7" won't work (tested). X only runs on the virtual console
> it was started from.

Works for me. That is alt-f7 from one of the ttys takes to me to X .

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 03:05:26PM -0600, John Hasler wrote:
> Renaud writes:
> > One wonders why did they abandon the principle of backward compatibility ?
> 
> Brian writes:
> > How does that relate to the principle of constant inovation and
> > improvement?
> 
> By way of continuity.  Sometimes it is necessary to break continuity,
> but it should not be done without careful thought and preparation.

Yeah, that is one of the PITA changes. 
but by changing '/etc/systemd/logind.conf' to
NAutoVTs=7

then on login 'alt-F7' will change to tty7 and issue startx from there.

(untested, but it *should* work.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 08:21:55AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 08:22:20AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > On 23 Nov 2015, John L. Ries wrote:
> > > Actually, if someone is starting X via startx instead of a display 
> > > manager,
> > > it normally means either that the user is trying to test his X
> > > configuration, or that X is only intended to run intermittently, with TTY
> > > mode being the norm.  So having X replace the terminal in that 
> > > circumstance
> > > does not at all strike me as a happy thing,
> > 
> > I don't agree with this. I don't use a desktop manager but even if I
> > did, I'd prefer to start X via startx. This gives me more control. If
> > something goes wrong with X you are screwed if you don't have an easily
> > accessible TTY to diagnose the problem. I'm sure I'm not alone in
> > this.
> 
> ctrl-alt-F1 still works, even though ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works.

Incorrect! ctrl-alt-backspace still works, (warning: it kills X)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: debianlive iso with xfce and clamav

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 03:59:26PM +, Liam O'Toole wrote:
> might feel slow compared to a 'normal' installation.) The live iso, on
> the other hand, is intended for installation and system rescue and is
> read-only.

Isn't the term 'live' a misnomer in that case. 
Thanks for the warning, I wouldn't have expect that by the name.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: two pulseaudio processes

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 01:22:25PM +0100, rgfoiugztfgvbhjk wrote:
> Does anybody know who Debian-+ is, why he is starting pulseaudio and
> using my headsets, and if this is a bug that should be reported
> against pulseaudio or something else?

If you purge pulseaudio, does everything work as you want?

If you actually need pulseaudio, then I'd report the bug against the
pulseaudio package.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: install udpxy.1.0.23

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 09:42:51PM +0800, Alex Vong wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Nexttime please send mail to  instead of
>  since the later list is mostly for
> junior maintainers instead of users.

Ummm, whenever anyone has a question about packaging and they ask on the
debian-user list, they invariably get sent to the debian-mentor list
eventually because that's where the expertise is.

Is that wrong?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 08:22:20AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2015, John L. Ries wrote:
> > Actually, if someone is starting X via startx instead of a display manager,
> > it normally means either that the user is trying to test his X
> > configuration, or that X is only intended to run intermittently, with TTY
> > mode being the norm.  So having X replace the terminal in that circumstance
> > does not at all strike me as a happy thing,
> 
> I don't agree with this. I don't use a desktop manager but even if I
> did, I'd prefer to start X via startx. This gives me more control. If
> something goes wrong with X you are screwed if you don't have an easily
> accessible TTY to diagnose the problem. I'm sure I'm not alone in
> this.

ctrl-alt-F1 still works, even though ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Debian seems unable to drive my (4) monitors

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 08:32:43AM +0100, Dominique Dumont wrote:
> On Monday 23 November 2015 05:19:43 Mauro Condarelli wrote:
> > In my case there was NO log to /var/log/xorg.0.log.
> 
> Since xorg-server (2:1.17.3-1), Xorg log may end up in ~/.local/share/xorg/
> 
> Hope this helps

I've only got xserver-xorg installed.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Prob activating Samba

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 06:11:47PM +0200, Teemu Likonen wrote:
> Renaud OLGIATI [2015-11-23 12:59:38-03] wrote:
> 
> > root@ron:/home/ron # chkconfig -–add smb 
>  ^^
> You have these two different characters there:
> 
> - U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS
> – U+2013 EN DASH
> 
> But you should have “--add”, that is, two times U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS.

Is this a joke? (I've never encountered this before.)
What character is this '-' ?
It's the only key on this keyboard.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Debian 7 to 8 upgrade changlog displays unstable/experimental packages

[Chris Bannister]

On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 04:11:13PM +, Andrew Puschak wrote:
> Hi Everyone!
> 
> I inherited some Debian servers running 7 wheezy and am upgrading to 8
> jessie. During apt-get upgrade (after setting /etc/apt/sources.list to
> jessie) I get a less command displaying changelogs as seen below with
> the first package being nagios-nrpe. I also get a list of packages
> during apt-get dist-upgrade.
> 
> Following the same procedure on another server did not display these
> unstable/experimental packages. However, checking
> /var/cache/apt/archives I don't see the unstable and experimental
> versions that the changlog is referring to.
> 
> Where is the changelog seeing these versions?  dpkg -l before and
> after upgrade returns the versions that are stable for both releases,
> matching the other server that did not display any changelogs. I'd
> like to understand why it's displaying these and whether the server
> has unstable packages before and after upgrading.

I'm not quite sure what you are asking, but 

apt-cache policy  will show the version, and repository.

or is apt-listchanges installed on one server but not another?


-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Xorg replaces TTY1

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 05:56:04PM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> > startx -- vt7
> 
> That requires specifying it by hand every time startx is run. As I
> indicated, that is unacceptable; I don't have to specify the VT manually
> every time I lanch X now in order to get the current behavior, and I
> shouldn't have to specify it manually at every launch in order get that
> behavior after a change of the default.
> 
> Where/how would it be possible to specify this in a config file, so that
> it can be set-and-forget if desired?

In .bashrc (if using bash)

alias startx="startx -- vt7"

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Debian rescue CD oddities

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 05:56:35PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> I think I knew what you meant Lisi, but on this side of the small pond we 
> spell it teensy, meaning a very small quantity of something.  Like a 
> pinch of salt in a recipe.  Thats normally less than a dash unless you 
> shake the container really hard. :)

Hmmm, is that more, or less, than a 'smidgin'? :)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/smidgen

It looks like a tad is larger than a dash. :)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Debian seems unable to drive my (4) monitors

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 08:09:01AM -0500, Felix Miata wrote:
> Mauro Condarelli composed on 2015-11-22 13:24 (UTC+0100):
> 
> > I have been able to make them *both* work (using custom xorg.conf), but not 
> > *at the same time* (under debian)
> 
> > The working setup (linixmint) does not appear to use any proprietary driver 
> > (i.e.: it uses nouveau for NVidia).
> 
> > I attach here full lspci and lsmod output (of *working* setup; i.e. LM) in 
> > case they give some hint.
> 
> I only found your lsmod output.
> 
> Useful hints are most often found in Xorg.0.log, which for some people at
> least, is better seen in a "pastebin"[1] than an email attachment.

Please stop suggesting that! Logs inline or as an attachment are fine.
It would be nice if the poster trimmmed them a bit, but better too much
than too little.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: The word 'should'.

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 11:54:07AM +, Ben Stones wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> There are a lot of arguments going around in this e-mail chain and now
> people are just hurting other people's feelings. Arguments are pointless if
> no one agrees with each other ...

Au contraire, arguments are pointless if everyone *agrees* with each
other, unless you're actually paying someone for it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnTmBjk-M0c

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Adobe Flash

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015 at 09:43:37PM +0300, moxalt wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Nov 2015 10:05:44 -0500, Ric Moore  wrote:
> > According to you. Not according to "The design of the unix operating 
> > system", Maurice >> J. Bach, Prentice/Hall, 1986, page 4:
> > 
> > Now that I have cited a definition of "OS", please cite your reference.
> > Keep in mind that if your definition causes a student to fail a computer 
> > literacy exam, then you have caused harm. :/ Ric
> 
> You gave a very unconventional definition of operating system, defining it to
> mean the same thing as kernel. 

Ummm, that book is a textbook in at least one course.

> As for my source I give you- the internet!
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel_(operating_system)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system
> 
> There is a marked difference. The kernel is clearly defined to be a 
> fundamental
> component of the operating system, not the operating system itself.

Give me 5 minutes and I'll soon change that. (Hint ... it's a wiki. :) )

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Adobe Flash

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 01:00:43PM -0500, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 11/21/2015 12:02 PM, moxalt wrote:
> >Prison or sanatorium?
> 
> Treated properly, as I see it, prison could be much more of a sanitarium.

Life is like a box of breakfast cereal ... *ducks*. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Adobe Flash

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 01:35:34PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:37:06PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > Please stop preaching.
> 
> (Darn. Seems I was too subtle last time)
> 
> Now you're preaching. Preachers preach... and they're important too

Ummm, no. If you're religious, maybe, but if you're an athesist then 
they're ...
(stopping myself before I say something I'll regret.)

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: var is full...

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 09:45:48AM +0100, Pascal Hambourg wrote:
> Using strace, the difference seems to be that apt-get clean removes
> /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin. However you don't need to run apt-get
> update : this file seems to be rebuilt by any apt command.
> 
> apt-get clean
> apt-cache show anypatternyoulike
> apt-cache show pa

Ahh! Thanks, for that.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Adobe Flash

[Chris Bannister]

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 04:02:41PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 02:56:53AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 01:35:34PM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 12:37:06PM +, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > > Please stop preaching.
> > > 
> > > (Darn. Seems I was too subtle last time)
> > > 
> > > Now you're preaching. Preachers preach... and they're important too
> > 
> > Ummm, no. If you're religious, maybe, but if you're an athesist then 
> > they're ...
> > (stopping myself before I say something I'll regret.)
> 
> Uh, oh -- this is definitely straying too far from the list. Last one
> from me: you're always religious.

LOL, being an atheist means that you *aren't* religious. But I'm not here
to give you an English lesson. This is my last post on this issue.

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: Root account blocked

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 07:01:41PM +0530, Himanshu Shekhar wrote:
> This reminds of an outcome that makes your system vulnerable to data theft.
> Following the above steps, anyone having physical access to the device by

What above steps? The context is lost! :(

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: No sound - seeking ideas

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 03:33:13PM +, David Parfitt wrote:
> 
> I've often noticed recommendations to uninstall pulseaudio but never seen 
> a case where it has been reported to work :)  apt-get purge pulseaudio 
> wants to take gnome & lots of other stuff with it :((

JFTR, it worked for me, but I don't run GNOME. 

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: No sound - seeking ideas

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 11:56:32PM +, David Parfitt wrote:
> [This mail was also posted to linux.debian.user.]

Ummm, aren't they all eventually?

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: var is full...

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 06:41:50AM +0100, Jochen Spieker wrote:
> Brian:
> > 
> > To remove every package and the package lists in apt/archives:
> > 
> >   apt-get clean.
> 
> The package lists are unaffected by the clean operation. You do not need
> to run an update afterwards.

Then explain the difference between:

1) apt-get clean
apt-cache show pa

and

2) apt-get clean
apt-get update
apt-cache show pa

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X

Re: var is full...

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 02:33:50PM +, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:08:35 -0500
> Whit Hansell  wrote:
> 
> Hello Whit,
> 
> >is very small and won't really give me much room.  Can anyone with 
> >knowledge give me the subdirectories in var/cache that I can empty to 
> >get a reasonable amount of free space?  Running Jessie on an amd64 box.
> 
> Look at /var/cache/apt - that may well have lots of Debian packages in
> it.  IIRC, default settings is to keep them forever, once d/l'd from the
> repos.  Personally, I change this to delete after successful
> installation.  However, flushing that directory may gain a huge amount
> of space.

... which can be done with (as root):

apt-get clean

-- 
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people
who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the 
oppressing." --- Malcolm X